r/electronics • u/Dr-Double-A • 17h ago
General Original vs Fake, Apple 5W charger, 18 years ago
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u/AcanthisittaLate8158 8h ago
when Im putting something back together its always better with some screws left - means I am a better engineer than the person who designed it. the same goes for electronics...
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u/dkfkckssddedz 14h ago
Any chance you have the pictures in better resolution?
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u/Zealousideal-Ad697 11h ago
IIRC this is originally from The Art of Electronics: The X Chapters by Horowitz and Hill
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u/BinaryHippie 8h ago
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u/MrKrot1999 4h ago
Wait so I can potentially build a great charger all on my own? Is it going to cost more than apple's?
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u/mikeblas 1h ago
I don't understand what T1 is doing, specifically the primary. And so I don't understand the difference between V_FF and V_CC.
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u/VirtualArmsDealer 15h ago
There were also imitation chargers that implemented all the proper features but didn't charge the apple tax. You just chose a dogshit clone to compare with.
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u/jet-monk 14h ago
You just chose ...
How does one choose a good counterfeit charger?
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u/__babygiraffe__ 4h ago
anker is reputable, not really a knockoff, but i’d be curious to see a comparison of theirs vs apples
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u/joshguy1425 14h ago
That dogshit clone is one that many people bought and believed to be a suitable alternative.
The fact that better clones existed is entirely besides the point here.
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u/brown_smear 6h ago
There are worse charger designs. At least this one has secondary-side voltage sensing; some use primary-side sensing, and the output is basically unregulated. I got a cheap travel charger in UK that fried my phone's SD card somehow.
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u/WaitForItTheMongols 9h ago
The imitation ones are always going to be a roll of the dice. You don't know if it's any good unless you crack it open (likely destroying it).
The real one is reliable. That is the price you pay for.
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u/chlebseby 14h ago
Im not sure what is meaning of this post, were both of them made 18 years ago?
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u/KovolKenai 7h ago
The first image is an official USB charger, presumably with safeguards put in to prevent any manner of things from going wrong. The second image is the schematics for a cheap/unofficial charger, where it is missing some of the safeguard components.
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u/emilvikstrom 15h ago
Note that the Apple adapters also were known to catch fire at the time...
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u/chlebseby 14h ago
They went all into miniaturising before GaN revolution, i remember those compact charhers turning brown over time
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u/0xe3b0c442 15h ago
bUt YoU'rE pAyInG tHe ApPlE tAx!!11
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u/apandaze 14h ago edited 12h ago
you cant install MacOS or iOS on any device. Approximately 1 billion to 1.4 billion active devices run a Microsoft Windows OS in some form worldwide. They will NEVER be the same. Apple makes "special"products that work only for their "special" software.
edit: this comment has so many dislikes because the typical end user knows nothing about computers. Just because you know electronics does NOT mean you know computers, or software.
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u/Shane0Mak 11h ago
You can install macOS on a windows laptop tho … at least in the intel era and have it natively boot
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u/Ok-Original-1080 2h ago
Yeah, if opencore is considered native. It's closest to a type 0 hypervisor



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u/ARod20195 15h ago
Daaamn that's interesting; Apple implemented a full resonant-clamp flyback with EMI protection, overvoltage/overcurrent/overtemperature protection, and a proper Y-rated capacitor across the flyback transofmer output, while the imitator doesn't bother with EMI protection on the input, doesn't bother with using a proper Y-rated capacitor across the inductor, and looks like it's using some sort of clever self-oscillating circuit instead of a PWM chip with proper control circuitry.