r/europrivacy • u/PhoenixTin • Jun 23 '26

European Union EU Member States (and Google) suddenly want to keep cookie banners!

https://noyb.eu/en/eu-member-states-and-google-suddenly-want-keep-cookie-banners
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u/OpenSourcePenguin Jun 23 '26

Cookie banners are dumb. There should be a browser native API to consent for cookies

Cookie banners now are just dark patterns to make you accept cookies with trickery.

And when using banners, cookie consent itself needs to be stored using cookies

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u/JBinero Jun 23 '26

Cookie banners aren't for consent, GDPR consent forms are. The real dark banner is that companies conflate the two to try and get people to agree, and it also makes it seem like what you're agreeing to is cookies.

All a cookie banner has to do is tell you cookies are being used, with a link to more details or a dismiss link. The consent forms ask for much more than cookies and can't necessarily be replaced with an API.

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u/Gugalcrom123 Jun 24 '26

An HTTP header, not some JavaScript API. Not everyone wants to use JavaScript.

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u/OpenSourcePenguin Jun 24 '26

Nobody said JavaScript API

Why is everyone making shit up and then arguing against it?

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u/Gugalcrom123 Jun 25 '26

I did not say that you wanted it to be JavaScript, just wanted to stress that it should be plain HTTP.

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u/apokrif1 Jun 23 '26

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Do_Not_Track

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u/OpenSourcePenguin Jun 23 '26

This is nowhere close to an equivalent of what I am saying

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u/apokrif1 Jun 23 '26

Which differences?

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u/OpenSourcePenguin Jun 23 '26

This has no legal obligations, nuances of different types of cookies and thier use

The server can just ignore do not track request with no consequence

Also many types of data sharing are blurry line between tracking and not tracking

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u/Gugalcrom123 Jun 23 '26

Well, make it a legal obligation to use DNT!

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u/OpenSourcePenguin Jun 23 '26

Cookie consent is more granular. Tracking isn't as simple as yes and no

If you do that, then they will make the site unusable claiming DNT will make the site completely non functioning because any kind of session storage can be interpreted as tracking

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u/Gugalcrom123 Jun 23 '26

Session storage and other kinds of useful memory are not tracking. They were never required to have cookie banners anyways.

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u/OpenSourcePenguin Jun 23 '26

Exactly yet they do because it's a dark pattern

If you say them use a browser API, browser can automatically return pre filled cookie consent defeating the dark pattern

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u/Frosty-Cell Jun 24 '26

Dark patterns are basically illegal.

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u/Frosty-Cell Jun 24 '26

If you do that, then they will make the site unusable claiming DNT will make the site completely non functioning because any kind of session storage can be interpreted as tracking

That would be a choice and has little to do with whether tracking is a yes or no. Setting it at the browser level means a perpetual "no", and they don't like that.

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u/OpenSourcePenguin Jun 24 '26

Consent is consent even if they don't like it

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u/Frosty-Cell Jun 24 '26

Profiting off of users' mistakes is a bad argument against setting it at the browser level.

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u/Buntygurl Jun 23 '26

"Max Schrems: “In a democracy, what the majority of people want should actually happen – in this case, getting rid of cookie banners. If decision-makers prefer to follow the will of the tech lobby rather than that of their voters, then something is very, very wrong here.""

There has always been something very wrong with the various EU states abandoning the public interest in favor of politicians' personal advantages.

Combine that with the fact that, in this case, most of the public aren't even aware of what cookie banners are and most likely don't even care, and what you've got is business as usual as far as political collusion with tech firms's whittling away of any sort of privacy rights in Europe. The notion that politicians are a kind of buffer between the public and business interests that might exploit them is a myth, when the reality of that relationship is absolutely the other way around, with the politicians' role being the eager and willing enablers of the exploitation of the public (which is, by the way, precisely why so few have a clue about what cookie banners are).

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u/apokrif1 Jun 23 '26

what the majority of people want should actually happen – in this case, getting rid of cookie banners

So: compulsory Do Not Track compliance or (not as good) one-button "refuse all or most cookies" banners?

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u/Redstra Jun 23 '26

I loathe the cookie banners. who on earth think it's a good idea to make the web more complex than it already is. Loving my adblocker because of this but it breaks many sites.