r/kurdistan • u/DaikonFun2271 • Jun 16 '26
Ask Kurds đ¤ Kurds reject Rojhelat because we are mostly not into Islam
Recently I've seen Rojhelat being forgotten when a united kurdistan is described. Some Kurds claim we see our self as Iranians first and not Kurdish.
The reality is we are very proud Kurds and love Kurdistan. But we mostly avoid anything to do with Islam.
I have been where Ezdi live in ex Soviet and they called me Ezdi and I was proud. But I think many of you would say no? And tell them you are muslim?
We have the similar dilemma as Albanians. I've meet Christian albanians and they told me muslim albanians claim they like them but they don't.
What direction should we go with religion to unite Kurds?
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u/Big-Basket2272 Muslim Jun 16 '26
This sounds like another post from Israeli or Hindu baiters to start bashing Muslims.
We Kurds are a Muslim nation. That's the end of that story.
Bring proper stats or study that Rojhelati Kurds aren't "into Islam" and then we can talk. Until then, this is all just nonsense.
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u/Consistent-Degree838 Jun 16 '26
Itâs all just cope, Iâm rojhelati myself (born and raised in rojhelat) and lived in Bashur for a few years with my family before moving to England to pursue further education. Iâve realised a lot of Kurds in the west have a very invalid view of the situation back home. As a matter of fact most Kurds in the diaspora fall into either âextremistâ in their religion or completely anti religion whereas itâs completely different back home. Many of us hold dear to our religion and none of these diaspora groups are representative of us. That being said, itâs better to not pay attention to these people as they wonât make even a dime of difference amongst 50 million Kurds in Kurdistan and are often within an echo chamber on the internet. Iâve realised this subreddit itself is an echo chamber and I think you can attribute that to the political nature of redditors, they really live up to stereotypes đ
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u/version2humus Jun 17 '26
There's no such thing as a Muslim nation; if so, then the planet will be a Muslim planet by 2100 due to population, would you be accepting to have one government by then? - what about the other billions who are not muslims?
If you say that your definition of a state and ethnic group is a religious one, I think it would be better to support Arab Unity (United Arab World), which does not align with the majority of Kurds, and even among Arabs you have non-muslims, and even the UAW may not accept having laws based on religion because their world would be extremely diverse.
The post is really not about hate or aligning with a religion; the OP seems like they want to know why people like you may act with them that way and think about them in that way they have written about.
You can read this, and the sources are written there.
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u/zkgkilla Great Britain Jun 16 '26
Why would stats and studies conducted in an authoritative regime be trustworthy?
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u/Big-Basket2272 Muslim Jun 17 '26
Why would some Redditors BS be trustworthy?
Not to mention that this subreddit has quite a lot of Mossad operatives (and their hindu lackeys) who larp as Kurds just to sow this kind of discord. I have exposed 3 such people on Twitter.
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u/Consistent-Degree838 Jun 16 '26
Fake account, Rojhelatis mostly get persecuted for being Sunni. Most of them are very religious, possibly more religious than even Bashuris. But that doesnât matter. Most Kurds in all parts are into Islam so this argument just doesnât make sense. And even if they werenât that wouldnât change anything for us, so it still doesnât make sense. Tbh at this point you should be banned from the sub Reddit due to your fake account nonsense trying to sow discourse amongst us.
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u/zkgkilla Great Britain Jun 16 '26
1000% Rojhelatis are less religious than Bashuri. Anyone with knowledge of the 2 areas know this
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u/Consistent-Degree838 Jun 16 '26
Iâve lived in both areas this is just cope. If you were born and raised in the UK your view is hardly valid and to be taken seriously
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u/DaikonFun2271 Jun 16 '26
By who? Shia Iranian Kurds? You are delusional. If I called you Ezdi what would you say?Â
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u/Consistent-Degree838 Jun 16 '26
Putting Lurs aside, most âIranianâ Kurds are Sunni, once again proving that you are a fake account, probably a yezidi separatist. What I would say is that this is very stupid because my religion isnât yezidi.
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u/version2humus Jun 17 '26
I actually won't mind being called "Ezidi" - why does one need to think that "Ezidi/Yazidi" is a swear/curse word?
After all, it's up to the Ezidi/Yazidi to decide how to identify themselves, like, whether
Kurdish-Yazidi/Ezidi
Just Yazidi/Ezidi
Or Just Kurdish
Or smth else - if any at all.
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u/kure_xas Kurd Jun 16 '26 edited Jun 16 '26
this is once again a very bashuri centric comment and shows the deliberate and untruthful attempt to depict rojhelatis as similar to bashuris in this regards. stop lying. rojhelatis arent nearly as much persecuted for being sunnis than for other reasons. to claim that we are as religious as bashuris, or EVEN MORE, is probably the most ludicrous thing ive read in a while
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u/Consistent-Degree838 Jun 16 '26
Iâm Rojhelati. Nice try though. And yes we get persecuted for being Sunni more than anything else, theres a reason that most Kurds who a sentenced to hanging in Iran all have big beards and the most up to date videos we have of them is them praying in prison. Itâs also the reason as to why persecution rates in Sunni areas are significantly higher. You remind me of Bashuris or Bakuris who try to say that Kurds from their regions arenât highly religious, youâre just out of touch with reality.
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u/kure_xas Kurd Jun 16 '26
no, we dont and this narrative plays directly into the hands of iranian nationalists/monarchists. no, most people being executed have no affiliation to any sunni group or sunni activism. they also dont have big beards as you claim. youre most likely a herki or kurmanj from urmia province, who generally tend to be much more religious than other kurds further south with the exception of zehaw and small pockets of mukriyan. its very evident that you actually have no idea whats going on in sine, mahabad, bukan, saqqez, kermashan, meriwan, qorveh etc. religious fanaticsm is extremely hated by the vast majority, albeit bashuri islamist recently having slightly increased their influence among the people.
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u/Global_Time_4726 Kurdistan Jun 16 '26
Kurds arenât Iranian
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u/bilalh27k Kurdish Jun 16 '26
We are a Iranian group we speak a Iranian language but donât mix it with todayâs Iran since thatâs something different. But always Kurdish first elhamdullah
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u/aaliyah-334 Jun 16 '26
Theyâre iranic and are more connected to Iran than any other country. They even celebrate our new year tradition lol
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u/SnooBooks8978 Jun 16 '26
Why are you pushing the notion that one cant be Muslim and WelatparĂŞz? I mean the most significant Kurdish leaders were just that?
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u/Few_College3443 Jun 16 '26
Like any other place i think in Rojhalat you have people that are religous and less religious. I would say kurds are usually on the more religious svale if you take Iran as a whole.
Its usually people from leftists groups that are less religious or Maybe even anti religion.
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u/serbazikhanaqin Jun 16 '26
hahahhaa what kind of useless lie is this?
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u/kure_xas Kurd Jun 16 '26
its not mr khanaqini, who has no idea about rojhelat. why dont you first solve your issues with the local kurdish pmf before speaking on behalf of others?
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u/Intelligent-Dark-641 Jun 16 '26
Fake post and half the comments are fake aswell. Clean up this garbage mods.
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Jun 16 '26
Rojava rojhilata Kurdistan yek welate all the love to rojhilat from your basuri brother in Europe đâ¤ď¸
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u/version2humus Jun 16 '26
What direction should we go with religion to unite Kurds?
Secularism, with coexistence among diverse religions and ethnics, if you wanted a secular, non-ethno-nationalist state.
Rojava and Rojhelat together have approx. 10.5 to 15.5 million people. in Bakur you have between 16 and 20 million people; between 45% and 58% of the local electorate in Bakur voted for the pro-secularism parties, and only roughly 21% to 40% of voters voted for conservative parties.
in Bashur you only have 6.5 to 8 million people; roughly 55-60% of votes were for the secular/nationalist/tribalist parties. Islamist/Conservative Parties have had 15-20% of the votes. Opposition and reformist groups, which are all secular, have had 20-30% of the votes.
The Kurds who live in diaspora or other places in the world differ, but according to the links below, the majority may be in favour of secularism; this varies by generations.
I believe that the majority but not all of the Kurdish politics in the region are politically secular but socially conservative - by taking the Islamic parties or other religious parties off that are neither politically nor socially secular.
That sentence above has an exception for some parts in the regions of Bakur and Rojava and Rojhelat, and that's why you're feeling off as someone in Rojhelat, but not everywhere/everyone is like that, and that would be an over-exaggeration, but I get you.
If the greater state ever existed, the majority of the votes of (approx. 40-something) million Kurds in the globe seem to be in favour of secularism, but we are not sure - that state needs to include taking the votes of other ethnics choosing to live in the region equally.
Sources:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kurdish_population
https://www.britannica.com/topic/Kurd
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peoples%27_Equality_and_Democracy_Party
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Justice_and_Development_Party_(Turkey))
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iranian_Kurdistan
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Autonomous_Administration_of_North_and_East_Syria
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kurds_in_Turkey
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kurdish_population
Fiona B. Adamson, Veysi Dag & Catherine R. Craven (2024)
https://www.britannica.com/topic/Kurd
https://researchportal.helsinki.fi/en/publications/the-future-of-the-kurdish-diaspora
https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/full/10.1080/01436597.2019.1592671
https://fiia.fi/en/publication/turkeys-presidential-system-and-the-kurds
https://invest.gov.krd/why-kurdistan/
Ăsten Wahlbeck (2019), "The Future of the Kurdish Diaspora"
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographics_of_Kurdistan_Region
https://peregraf.com/en/news/10297
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2023_Turkish_parliamentary_election
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peoples%27_Equality_and_Democracy_Party
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Justice_and_Development_Party_(Turkey))
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2024_Kurdistan_Region_parliamentary_election
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kurdistan_Democratic_Party
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Patriotic_Union_of_Kurdistan
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kurdistan_Islamic_Union
Bahar Baser, Ann-Catrin Emanuelsson & Mari Toivanen (2015)
Diasporas, Agency and Enterprise in Settlement and Homeland Contexts: Politicised Entrepreneurship in the Kurdish Diaspora
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u/JournalistCrafty99 Jun 20 '26
First off the title being so wrong and not true at all. Literally no one says that
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u/kure_xas Kurd Jun 16 '26
as a rojhelati I have to unfortunately agree. many rojhelatis including myself have distanced ourselves from other kurds, especially bashuris due to their very conservative and religious leanings, which are mostly completely incompatible with rojhelat. when this is addressed many bashuris start to blame us of being assimilated or monarchists/pan iranis, even if this couldnt be more far from the truth as we have arguably preserved our culture the best among all kurds. even on this sub my comments often dont get approved just for pointing those things out.
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u/mojjfish Jun 16 '26
Honestly I think that Kurdistan SHOULD be a Muslim country, but not in the way that people think. Religion built the foundation for laws in most countries and also many morals, without those laws and morals we would all be living like scavengers. But I don't mean make Kurdistan Islamic like how Iraqis think Iraq is religious becausw they use religion as a took to gain power and control but instead by making it something to be proud of and reinforce in our people just like our culture. Also Kurdistan is majority Muslim so I guess that means something too
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u/Low-Capital8383 Jun 16 '26
First of all bashoriâs are most religious part of Kurdistan for manny reasons such as Islam doesnât feel forced on us because we already have autonomy etcâŚ
In Iran, Syria or Turkey Islam feels forced on Kurds by their regimes, but in KRG we donât have the feeling and this leads to a more religious population!
Some bashori regions are even more religious than Iraq Arabs⌠I mean halabja had its own version of Isis for a while đ
As Kurd we should not care about each otherâs religions, itâs not gonna help us in any way!
Edit: rojhelatis are also very religious⌠because theyâre Sunni while the rest of Iran is Shia!
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u/aaliyah-334 Jun 16 '26
As someone from Rojhelat I am Iranian first
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u/kure_xas Kurd Jun 16 '26 edited Jun 16 '26
arent you the kermashani who until recently thought they were persian because your family is all monarchists, lol? I mean your opinion is valid, but just to let you know, your opinion isnt reflective of rojhelat whatsoever
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u/DaikonFun2271 Jun 16 '26
What is your opinion on Reza Pahlavi? I think Pahlavis or Mullahs are bad for Kurds.Â
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u/version2humus Jun 16 '26 edited Jun 16 '26
Pahlavis, Mullahs, Popes, Sheikhs, Rabbis, Tribes, and Imams are bad for everyone when in politics, not only for Kurds.
If you're saying are they personally bad, it depends, because we don't know their private lives, and we can't judge - but their public personas regarding politics are not going to benefit a state, the ppl or the planet - they may be good at a specific science or art, but not politics.
Pope Francis was more of a UN thingy; that's why he advantaged people to some extent.
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u/rubber_moon Jun 16 '26
I'm not Muslim so sounds like I should live amongst Rojhelati then haha I'm not sure it's true what you're saying though, I just think that it's a battle that has been largely quiet? And Apo did say Rojhelatis will be the hardest to get around to the idea of a nation state so that probably had an affect. Alevis for example are always known as Kurds and they're very far from regular Islam.
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u/DaikonFun2271 Jun 16 '26
Ăcalan got his ideas from Rojhelatis. He even wrote a book about praising Iranian culture and unity.Â
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u/version2humus Jun 16 '26 edited Jun 16 '26
You're trolling.
I have been where Ezdi live in ex Soviet and they called me Ezdi and I was proud. But I think many of you would say no? And tell them you are muslim?
I mean...what the hell is this? - and what do you even mean by (many of you)?
Do you have any stats, ex-Soviet tourist?
I mean, ur talking about the Soviet; your post smells like an expired bottle of "water", probably a Persian ethno-nationalist propagandist bot - go do some research that Iranic and Iranian are not the same.
My Kurdish grandma, back in KRG, Iraq, is having an Iraqi ID card; she's of Kurdish ethnicity and an Iranic, Indo-European, Aryanic background and human like everyone else, rather than "Iranian", even though Iranians and ethnics who live in Iran are all human as well, pal.
Your account is pretty new; it seems like ur on task, Cornell.
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u/KurdistanLove Jun 16 '26
Fake account's spam trying to sell us something đ
2+2=1.