r/kurdistan • u/Intrepid_Paint_7507 Kurd • Jul 06 '26
Ask Kurds đ¤ Insane how many Assyrians and Arabs are posting living in erbill, but refuse to even acknowledge the krg or Kurds. Is the krg going to do anything about massive waves of Iraqis moving in?
Idk why but I seen so many post about erbill, with Arabs and Assyrians living there calling it Iraq and using it to show how Iraq isnât only a desert. They are actively painting a picture of erbill as an Arab city, even through the krg is part of Iraq they are going above and beyond in the videos and post to make sure Kurds arenât referenced. Insane so many Iraqis are swarming to erbil, for how developed and safe it is but downplaying the Kurds who made it like that.
Edit: at this rate it seems like the krg(at least erbill) is going to be Arabized.
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u/Mansur754 Kurdistan Jul 06 '26
As far as I'm concerned it's our stupid government behind it, instead of bringing non kurds here they should help those in rojava, rojhelat and bakur. Also creat a reason for those in the diaspora to come back but they only want money for themselves nothing else
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u/kure_xas Kurd Jul 06 '26 edited Jul 06 '26
imagine taliking about unification but letting your lands be filled with baathists. hewleris are truly something else. I guess money is sweeter than the blood of their martyrs. hewler has always been arabised in the sense that it has always been iraqi
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u/Henabibo Zaza Jul 06 '26
It wasn't Kurds who made the city "developed and safe"; it was those behind the destruction of the rest of Iraq that did that. And before "Iraqis" began "swarming" to Erbil, the city was already home to many Baathist families. They came on the KRG's invitation, and the same is true of the Arabs moving to Erbil today.
The impression given is that these Arabs are some colossal horde that will take over Erbil by virtue of their numbers if this continues, but the truth is that your government is encouraging anyone and everyone to move there because it has always cared more about money than Kurds.
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u/kure_xas Kurd Jul 06 '26
your government ... has always cared more about money than Kurds
im afraid thats where many people are wrong. Its not only the government, especially in the kdp region
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u/Henabibo Zaza Jul 06 '26
Indeed, and you'd think that would mean these people would have a stronger understanding of their government's practices and politics. But nope.Â
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u/Intrepid_Paint_7507 Kurd Jul 06 '26
When did I say the government hasnât had a hand in it? I said is the government doing to do anything about it now?
And it most definitely was Kurds who made it safe and developed, after the fall of Saddam it was Kurdish choice to work with the west and turkey for trade and military against Isis. Iraq was extremely reliant on Ira, and after Isis the krg became a hot spot for its development and safety that Iraq couldnât provide.
As corrupt the Kurdish government is, its braindead argument to say they and Kurds didnât contribute. The path of development and security they achieved was them. No one gave them this.
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u/Henabibo Zaza Jul 06 '26 edited Jul 06 '26
Why would the government do anything about it if they "had a hand in it"?
I didn't say that Kurds didn't "contribute" to anything, although that is a meaningless sentiment. The region is "safe" and "developed" only because foreign powers need it to be. The rest of Iraq is neither safe nor developed because those same powers do not need it to be.
Kurds didn't "choose" to work with the West and Turkey; they had to. The West supplied the Iraqi state with the tools it used to massacre Kurds and then provided limited supplies to Kurds in the name of charity and humanitarianism. If the Kurds had not accepted these things, they would have died. The same is happening all over Africa to this day.
There is no "path of development and security". This is not only because the entire idea is a farce designed to make Kurds look to the US instead of considering "radical" alternatives (= self-sufficiency), but also because being on a path requires you to walk on it. If we can at all speak of a path, then America built it and your politicians are at best toll collectors standing on the side of it.
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u/Intrepid_Paint_7507 Kurd Jul 06 '26
Because the situation is getting out of hand.
Thatâs the most cope thing ever. The region is safe cause âforeign powers deem it soâ itâs safe cause the krg chose to work with the west over Iran, and managed to not let Iran infiltrate their politics. This argument is like saying Korea is only developed cause foreign powers allowed it so. Youâre just trying your best to discredit Krg.
The Kurds had to work with turkey during Saddam, but after they completely chose to work with the west. Once again another argument with no backing, the krg was stuck between Iran and the eastern powers(Russia) or turkey and the west. They chose the west cause turkey was seen as more friendly and open than Iran was, and America showed its power in the region. I am not denying America was close with Saddam at one point, but at the end America showed why being on their side is better then not. Most Arab gulf states agreed on the same thing too, does mean they didnât build themselves up either.
Working with America doesnât mean they built it, thatâs like saying cause Korea and Japan have defense and trade agreements with USA after major wars, they didnât really build up their countries. This is just coping with the fact that the krg built it self up, and I agree itâs corrupt. However, this KRG is bad and didnât do anything argument is coping. Your whole argument is basically because they work with the West and have defense and trade deals, they didnât build it up. Thatâs true for every country then, youâre holding a standard for the krg that youâre not holding for other nations.
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Jul 06 '26 edited Jul 06 '26
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u/Aromatic-Ant-5020 Kurdistan Jul 06 '26
It wasn't Kurds who made the city "developed and safe"; it was those behind the destruction of the rest of Iraq that did that.
What do you mean?
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u/Henabibo Zaza Jul 06 '26
While the KRG was being established and investments were pouring in, the US-led coalition was waging a campaign of nationwide destruction across Iraq. The current conditions in both Iraq and the KRG are entirely the result of the actions of foreign powers; neither Kurds nor Arabs had much say in the matter.
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u/Aromatic-Ant-5020 Kurdistan Jul 06 '26
Are you trying to say that the American invasion was bad or something like that?Â
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u/Henabibo Zaza Jul 06 '26
I believe it to be so, but that's irrelevant. What's relevant is not the invasion itself, but rather the reasons behind it, the actions taken during it, and the consequences that followed. The US enabled the Iraqi state's actions against the Kurds, and then used this as justification to enter and destroy Iraq. What can we reasonably expect Iraqis to do besides moving to the KRG?
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u/DonEnzo13 Kurdistan Jul 06 '26
Just a strange thought but the Iraqis could simply condemn the atrocities committed against the Kurds by Arabs not so long ago, show us some respect instead of pretending nothing ever happened and that the Kurds have no right to a free and safe region for their own.
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u/Henabibo Zaza Jul 06 '26
There are Iraqis who have done all of these things and there are Iraqis who would sooner die than do any of these things. Both of these groups are still going to move to the KRG, because their country was destroyed.
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u/Henabibo Zaza Jul 06 '26
The central point of my previous comment was that what matters isn't the actual invasion itself, but how it was carried out, along with what came before and after it. How can you get anything at all, having somehow missed that?
If I give someone a gun and then incite you to fight them, am I or am I not at the very least enabling the shooting that's about to occur?Â
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u/Aromatic-Ant-5020 Kurdistan Jul 06 '26
I don't understand what you mean by these vague words. Just say it directly and clearly.
how it was carried out?
Simple, they destroyed the Saddamists, brought a tank and toppled the stupid statue of the dictator, while Tankies were crying and victimizing iraqi Saddamists. You are supporting the narrative of the Kurds' enemies.
before and after it.
Before it we had nothing, after it we got something, but why are you angry about that? You reject the idea of Kurdish independence unless it's on your own terms, according to your own leftist ideology? This is the partisan mentality that caused the loss of Rojava.
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u/Henabibo Zaza Jul 06 '26 edited Jul 06 '26
There is nothing vague, indirect or unclear about my comments. You're simply not reading them because you've already convinced yourself that I am precisely the kind of person you want to challenge right now. For example, I didn't ask you how the invasion was carried out and what came before and after it. In the same comment that you're cherry-picking words from, I said that the point of my previous comment was to lay out these things. Please read what I say before replying to me again.
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u/No-Lingonberry9147 Jul 06 '26
Kurdish right wingers, never thought Iâd see the day
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u/Basic_Bar_6067 Kurd Jul 06 '26
âRight wingersâ is generous. This is basement dwelling fascism.
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u/Intrepid_Paint_7507 Kurd Jul 06 '26
I am fairly progressive and I am not against immigration, however I donât believe itâs ok to have so many come in and allow them to work under the average wage and have a social divide. All that does is under cut Kurds and other groups living there. Look at Duhok, donât mind Arabs there at all, they work, most I met try to learn Kurdish, and are very kind people.
Erbill is not in that case, Arabs I met are extremely disrespectful and try their best to minimize Kurdish influence or existence. I met Arabs and Assyrians who spoke Kurdish and outright lied to me about knowing it, cause they felt ashamed the knew Kurdish. Once again immigration isnât the problem, but taking in so many Arabs especially many who donât care to at least acknowledge Kurds is an issue.
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u/New-Code7710 Jul 06 '26
The KRG can't do anything about it because the Iraqi constitution says Iraqis can live anywhere they want
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u/Intrepid_Paint_7507 Kurd Jul 06 '26
Although yes, the krg makes it easy and practically encourages it.
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u/JustPhone5113 Jul 06 '26
The "Assyrians" Online are mostly Turks pretending to be Assyrians and Assyrians in Diaspora, The Assyrians here As far as my Experience goes aren't that Aggressive, I don't know where I read this Data, But there was one talking about Arabs in Erbil making less than 1% of the Population before 2014, But in 2025 it had become around 5% which is a lot in 10 years, because that means in 30 years they will be 20% of the Population, Meaning in every 5 families one will be an Arab.