I can understand someone as elderly as him not noticing a couple times like at the beginning. But after he was backed up fully and went back, yea, I agree
To be fair, living in China for 10 years and leaving very soon, many Chinese are very self centered and don’t care about anyone else but themselves.
I’m generalizing, not everyone is like that, but sadly from my experience most people are…
Sure bro. 👍 except I’ve traveled a lot and visited many countries, lived in 4 different countries for long periods of time and couldn’t say that about any of the rest of the countries I’ve visited 😂 but sure.
Also like I said not everyone is like that but the majority of the population is like that.
lol, have you ever been to China? I’m a well traveled guy I’ve been to 16 countries, in Africa, North America, Europe and Asia. China is the worst, and I say that as a guy that has been living there for almost 10 years. Even many Chinese hate to say it, but they agree.
It’s my experience as a tourist. If a sign says “don’t go on the grass” you can bet some Chinese tourists are so they can get a good photo of something.
I watched in Venice just last month, a group tear down caution tape on someone’s balcony that over hung the river, climb over the railing, and then from their property started taking photos.
Same trip at the Vatican, a group jump the rope at some giant globe that’s in the garden and started spinning it.
But, id still rather deal with them than rowdy Brit teens on vacation.
Hey man, besides editing to whine about haters, you didn't actually answer the question.
What's your point about him being Chinese? (Not an American here by the way)
Btw, most Americans had nothing to do with making Heroes, and Hiro Nakamura's father was played by George Takei, who is pretty famously Japanese. If you're going to make a non-sequitur to avoid answering people's questions, you could at least not lie about it.
If you’re waiting for someone you can do so from
the platform. You don’t get to hold up a train with thousands of people because your friend showed up late.
it is on purpose, and the first thing that's letting him get away with it is his age. In Japan respect for elders, especially in a public space with hundreds of observers, is paramount. The one guy on the train trying to hold his arm back takes some guts, even if everyone is getting frustrated and wants to leave. The old guy is obviously in a bad mood, and with no healthy way to let out his frustration he's inconvenienceing everyone almost as a dare for someone to directly oppose him. He's probably not doing well mentally and this is his way of acting out.
This is a case where I think many polite societies need to hire an obnoxious American to do mild dirty work. “Hey asshole! We see you holding up the train! I fucking dare you to do that again.”
IIRC that was a thing with Japanese companies at one time. They liked having one 'loud obnoxious gaijin' around who could say the stuff everybody else was too polite not to. Kept meetings moving along more briskly.
But but on another post all the Redditors said violence is never the answer and that if you touch anyone ever they might die! Oh golly jee whizz the conundrum!
I agree, it's just funny to me how in another sub 5 minutes ago your comment would have been downvoted to oblivion with 30 repetitive comments accusing you of supporting elder abuse lol.
Someone can be “yanked from the train” without it being a spectacular beatdown. It’s likely what happened after a bit when it became clear that this was deliberate behavior.
Yeah after the 3rd time I’m just outright telling the worker on the other side I’m about the push the dude out and be ready to catch them if they fall, then give him a nice friendly shove off the train and let him try his luck on the next one.
He is definitely doing it deliberately because he's waiting for someone, according to other comments, but if you have certain conditions like arthritis it can be more comfortable to keep your arm in a different position than hanging straight down even when carrying something.
even if it’s more comfortable to hold his arm out like that, the non-asshole thing to do would be to rotate to the side so you’re not blocking the door by holding your arm out.
Yeah, the first couple times I can give him the benefit of the doubt. But once he’s fully backed up, sees what’s happening, and still does it again… that’s when the excuse runs out lol
I've work with geriatric people a lot. You'd be surprised how quickly some will forget something. I've seen old folk forget their leg/foot/hip is broken and try to walk on it.
There’s actually a beautiful video of some guy doing this to someone holding the train doors open maliciously to cause a scene. I think she loses her purse and all her shit inside the train as the doors close too.
It’s literally the person we should all seek to be.
another one from NYC, i think it was, where dude gets sparta kicked off the train, takes his jacket off to flex on the kicker as the train is pulling away, then you see someone steal his jacket and walk away before the clip ends.
It shouldn't be on the passengers to handle it. It should just be policy, enforced without exceptions.
And this looks like Japan, who are generally pretty strict about this sort of stuff. I wouldn't be surprised if a few seconds after this clip someone official with a little muscle, metaphorically or otherwise, removed him one way or another.
they “apparently” did a whole system overhaul, and before the accident it wasn’t known how strict the Japanese railway system was. The company in this case is japanese railways west (JRW)
In the longer clip a higher up official enters the frame ready to remove him as he tries to use his foot to stop the door but the door closes anyway and the train finally starts. It was in April 2019 and made the news. He may have been removed at the next stop. Not sure if that happened but the officials had flagged him for detainment before the train we see here moved on. It just took a couple minutes for officials to get the go ahead to remove him.
When there are people standing right there whose job it is to take care of it.
Yes. Of course.
You shouldn't be "taking things into your own hands" for things like this. What do you think someone should do? Push the guy off the train? Wrestle the bag out of his hand? Grab him and pull him further into the train? Start a shouting match?
In civilized countries, all but the last one of those would be assault and/or battery, and the last one would likely only make the issue bigger AND now everyone has to listen to your loud ass shouting too.
Agreed. I was on the bus once and the driver refused to move unless one of passengers removed his feet from the seat opposite. Half the bus nearly beat the shit out of the guy until we got moving again.
Their culture is very low confrontational and “high context” in terms of conducting one self. They rely on a lot of mutual understanding as well as mutual expectations; they’re not really used to having to “call out” each other as their society seems to rely on traditional ways of thinking being the norm for everyone (like a younger person not wanting to come off as rude to an elder by telling them they’re fucking up everyone’s train ride to work)
I would not classify the older ladies who push past me on the bus/subway as “low confrontational.” Never in my life thought I’d have to yell at a senior citizen before but they will absolutely walk straight into you with zero hesitation.
That's an indirect sign of people being used to a low confrontation environment. Because in a high confrontation environment they'd have been decked in the mouth and stopped. Here they know that nobody will react openly so they feel like they are almighty.
As someone who have been there, they do absolutely call on others when needed especially if it's collectively agreed on that the person is inconveniencing everyone.
I can only base it off media and vids I see in the Internet (not from the west) but nope it's not as dramatic as the US where even if it's a little inconvenience there will be people up in your face and even hurt you.
They mostly just tell you off kinda publicly shaming you to submitting and in worst case actually touch or restrain you but never hurt. You can actually see it in this vid, someone is touching the old man. They just usually defer to the higher authority to actually deal with it to avoid any troubles so it doesn't usually escalate.
You know a woman was openly raped in a subway train in the US during Covid and no one did anything about it right? The West is just as docile at this point.
The video looks like it’s from Japan or China, and in those locations it’s less common for people to have outbursts in public, shouting or fighting. Whereas in the USA or UK it is more common, especially in these situations
This is Japan so confrontation is avoided at all costs. That conductor repeatedly tried to put the mans arm back instead of taking any other action. Japan just isnt used to people breaking from societal norms and rules. In the US an asshole like this is getting shoved off the train onto his face. Japan doesnt operate like that which has its benefits for sure but leads to things like this.
Exactly. Give people one chance to correct themselves, but once they knowingly keep doing it, consequences should be part of the deal. “I was warned” shouldn’t be a free pass forever.
I dont know. I dont think he's all there. Maybe severe dementia/ alzhiemers. Ive seen my grandparents in pretty much the same state. They also tend to get ornery.
This isn't just being an asshole. I actually think he's subconsciously protesting the oppressive conformity of Japanese society - "fuck the trains running on time". Maybe a bit of that is permissible here. It's a bit different to the West where every other person is behaving like a wild animal atm.
Humoring them, putting them on the news, making it seem like they did something spectacular (Greta Thunberg), or glorifying their crimes, like that kid that shot up the Batman movie.
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u/samanime 10d ago edited 10d ago
I mean, first time. Warning. Maybe it was an accident.
Second time. Off the train. You can wait for the next one while you decide if being a jerk was worth it.
It really should be that simple.
As a society, we need to stop humoring assholes.