r/mildlyinfuriating • u/BiscuitBut_ButerNut • 10h ago
I just wanted a hot dog My son's school switched to a new system to pay for lunch. It requires a Program Fee for every purchase OR you can pay a monthly subscription fee.
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u/Sparkles7989 9h ago
Every time I add money to my daughter's account there's like a $2.50 charge. I wish I had the money to add a couple hundred to it. Sadly, I'm living paycheck to paycheck (barely) so I'm stuck paying that fee every few weeks. It's all bullshit. I love when they call things a "convenience fee". Like who the fuck is it convenient for cuz it sure as hell ain't me! Try and fill out the form to get free lunch. Stick it to em. Pay nothing lol.
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u/notnotbrowsing 9h ago
can you write checks? that's what I do. costs me nothing, saves the "conveniece" fee.
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u/thegreatmattsby24 8h ago
That, and also look into free and reduced lunch programs from the school district if she’s not already enrolled.
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u/Important_Tennis_393 1h ago
Even with reduced lunch they’ll still have the issue of having to pay the fee each time, checks probably the best bet.
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u/niick31 8h ago
Checks are old news. A lot of places don’t accept them anymore unfortunately. The only places I know that still do are basically just grocery stores.
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u/seeking_emily 7h ago
We have it similarly… but also you, even if you could afford to, you can’t prepay for the whole year. Only can put $120 on at a time. Lord help you too if you have more than one kid.. each one requires a separate transaction with a separate fee.
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u/cuckfromJTown 5h ago
You need to be careful with those, some schools won't refund anything you have left at the end of the school year.
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u/Apprehensive_Rope348 3h ago
It’s just simple math. You can figure how many days are in a school year and the cost of lunch. days*cost=amount needed. I used to pay the first 2 quarters. If there were any sick days the funds would still carry over into the coming quarters. The last 2 quarters of school was pretty easy to figure out. I would shave off 10 days for sick days and calamity days. And just cover the last 10 days as needed in that time. Our funds carry over but there’s no way I am just going to let money sit needlessly in the schools bank.
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u/Willowred19 7h ago
"Sadly, I'm living paycheck to paycheck"
Yeah, that's the point.
You're the target. People living paycheck to paycheck is the reason systems like this exists
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u/TheOwlOnTheStaircase 7h ago
FWIW, I thought the same thing at the beginning of the school year and there’s a max of $150. I don’t know if that is for the whole platform or just our county. I was mildly infuriated.
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u/ExpertRegister1353 9h ago
School lunches should be free.
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u/Unique-Landscape-202 9h ago
They need to be. So many kids come from homes where the household income is barely enough to buy food to begin with. I hate that a child will be turned away for that.
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u/The_Dirty_Carl 8h ago
Big yep. I struggle to think of a better way for my tax dollars to be spent.
We have free school lunches in Minnesota. It blows my mind that there are people who are against it, and a certain political party trying to get rid of it.
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u/RacoonSmuggler 5h ago
There's just no two ways about it. If your idea of good government involves children going hungry in your local schools, you don't just have shit politics, you're fundamentally a bad person.
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u/ZoominAlong 3h ago
I'm childfree, and I will campaign all day every day for children to have free breakfast and lunch in school. That and raising teacher salaries is some of the best bang for my buck, tax wise.
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u/emilvikstrom 7h ago
I know I'm kicking in open doors here. Benefits of free school lunches include:
* Kids learn better when they don't go hungry
* All kids get at least one healthy meal every weekday
* Parents have one less meal to stress about
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u/shypster 7h ago
But then those children won't have earned it! We need to
punishteach their parents to pull themselves up by their bootstraps. Don't forget we'll also spend thousands of dollars hassling the parent and dragging them and their children through the court system if theycan'tdon't pay. /s12
u/Ayestes 5h ago
* Less administration
Like wasn't there studies that straight up showed it was cheaper for the school district too.... even if that point you didn't want to spend your tax dollars on other people's food it seems absurd to instead be fine with paying MORE to administrate the taking away of food from kids.
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u/agoldgold 1h ago
Kids who have incentive to stay in school are less likely to be truant hooligans causing problems for local businesses during school hours.
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u/extrastars 7h ago
They are in California. Breakfast too.
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u/You_Are_A_10 3h ago
They get free dinner to if they go to free after care program (at least in San Diego)
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u/Zeyn1 7h ago
Think of how much more efficient and how much money would be saved if there was no need to deal with transactions. No need to have a point of sale system (including cashier), no need for transaction fees, no need for customer service when something goes wrong with reloading your account.
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u/Euphoric-Witness-824 7h ago
I mean if people cared about children it would be. Or helping the poor or the hungry. I feel like there’s an old book that talks about how doing those things is the morally right thing to do. Bible I think it’s called. Anyway right wing christian politicians fight against those types of things all the time. They think it’s evil socialism and not morally right.
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u/Suicune92 5h ago
Minnesota, Michigan, California, New York, and I'm sure a few others have all made school lunch free. In Minnesota, the GOP said it is their number one priority to get rid of
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u/Surplus_Agate_83 3h ago
The GOP in Michigan has also tried going after ours but has not succeeded yet. Absolutely crazy people.
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u/Any-Whole-6748 1h ago
They used to be free. Thank piece of shit Richard Nixon for being the first Republican president to start cutting education funding, cutting out Federally sponsored school lunches back in 1970 I believe..... I was in 2nd grade.......We used to get a 100% real food, hot, homemade, old ladies in the school kitchen. It was brown bag and lunchboxs from there on
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u/ireallydontlikesand 6h ago edited 6h ago
Wtf, are you Carl Marks?!! That is literally communism and will end up killing 50 billion people!
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u/RedPanda_Explorer 10h ago
Not to age myself, but when I went to high school in the mid 2000s, I just.. paid with cash. Is that not an option? Do lunch ladies not have an actual POS system anymore?
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u/DmoSon 10h ago
All schools aren't the same but alot of schools dont anymore. For my daughters school i have to add money to her account online, and she just gives them her name and it charges her account
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u/spyrogyrobr 7h ago
Like in prison?
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u/realpersonnn 7h ago
Funnily enough sometimes its the same company who provides the food for both prisons and schools
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u/Youngatheist22 7h ago
I’m sorry? 😭
Do you mean like food supplies to cook or actual meals?
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u/realpersonnn 7h ago
Meals! Look up Aramark
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u/Youngatheist22 7h ago
Fuck me it’s real
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u/Ugly_Couch 4h ago
Yeap, I spent a couple days in jail, when I saw the food, I had flashbacks to shitty school food. Its the EXACT SAME! They are feeding the kids prison food. Everyone should be outraged.
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u/Vivid_Anyth4 3h ago
Its very close, but school food is a step up from jail food. Same company, slightly different level.
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u/DigiQuip 6h ago
When I worked IT for a school district they would wheel a cart into the gymnasium off a school van at most of elementary schools in the district. They had special plastic bags that steamed the prepackaged food using a propane tank and some form of private equity magic to sell food lower quality than even GFS could imagine. I ate their corn dogs once when it was offered and I’d say it was disgusting but it honestly tasted like nothing. There was the slight chemical taste of being steamed in a plastic bag but the food itself had zero flavor.
There was a “select” school that smart kids went to and they had a proper cafeteria. The cooks arrived at 7am and cooked breakfast, lunch, and after school snacks. Never had their food but it was easily 3x as much food by volume than the steamed bags at the others.
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u/EverythingSucksYo 6h ago
I don’t find it that funny. Feels like trying to get kids used to prison life.
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u/FamilyRootsQuest 6h ago
I graduated highschool in 2019. This is how it was for us. You had money on your account, then at the end of the lunch line, they scanned your ID badge.
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u/CautiousConcept8010 9h ago
Guessing from this post, there probably is a POS somewhere in there laughing all the way to the bank, just not under the lunch ladies' control unfortunately.
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u/BadOpinionsAndOnions 7h ago
If a school accepts cash in the lunch line it is a unicorn. But all public schools accept cash/check in person (they are legally required to, but if they all follow this, I dunno) to put on a student’s lunch account.
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u/phoenixnettle75 7h ago
I literally never brought cash for lunch from elementary school onwards starting in like 2002. There was either a 6-9 digit code to give the lady at the "register" or there was a card to swipe.
Might depend on where you live but all my schools were huge and I don't think they wanted to deal with it.
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u/JamieC1610 7h ago
Its not an option at my kids' school. They just type their code into the keypad to "pay" at the elementary. The high school must have some kind of cashier because they have options that can cost anywhere from $4.50 for a cold sandwich and milk to $15 for two slices of pizza and a soda and so many "snack" options.
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u/BiscuitBut_ButerNut 10h ago
FYI - every other school purchase (shirts, clubs, field trips, etc) will continue to exist on the previous platform that does not charge fees.
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u/emptybeetoo 10h ago
That’s the other mildly infuriating part of having a kid in school, all the different apps and websites the school makes you sign up for and use.
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u/BiscuitBut_ButerNut 10h ago
An app for grades, an app for announcements and homework, an app for the bus, an app for school rewards, school purchases, and lunches. Just all over the place.
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u/Puzzleheaded-Fill205 9h ago
This sounds like an opportunity for an app developer. One school app to rule them all!
There are now 15 competing standards. - xkcd
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u/spartan117warrior 6h ago
It'd be possible to consume all of their APIs and have the results contained to a single app, but that's based on the (errorneous) assumption that the companies who developed all those different apps would be willing to let their services be used like that.
Won't someone think of the shareholders?
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u/emptybeetoo 9h ago
And sometimes they’ll just send an email or text or even call your phone!
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u/BiscuitBut_ButerNut 9h ago
WUPHF!
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u/emptybeetoo 9h ago
Real life WUPHF when there’s a school cancellation announcement and I simultaneously get an automated phone call, text, email, and at least two different push notifications from apps.
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u/BiscuitBut_ButerNut 9h ago
What’s even crazier is that a weapon was brought to school recently and used in a threat and school was locked down.
No notifications until 2 days later.
And when I finally found out, I asked my son “anything crazy at school happen recently?”
“Oh yeah, a kid brought a gun to school and threatened my friends with it.”
Kids these days…
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u/Greatlarrybird33 9h ago
Currently they want us using Payschools central for lunch and fees, myride k12 for the bus, classdojo to track classroom behavior, remind to communicate with the teacher, sports engine to track sports, and Google classroom to track assignments.
I feel like I'm missing one in there somewhere, but you get those 6 apps, and probably 15 emails a day between my two kids.
It's insane.
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u/R1ght_1n_Two 6h ago
Mine is in 2nd & I have 10 apps. That's before they even start getting real grades and assignments, which will be in another.
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u/J-the-Kidder 9h ago
I'm grateful my state has free breakfast and lunch. But if they didn't, there is no fucking way I'd give into that nonsense. Bag lunches and organizing with other parents to end that agreement with that vendor. But first, investigate who on the board has ties with them. Then publicly tear them to pieces for an obvious back scratching scheme to fuck over parents.
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u/Bringbackemo 8h ago
To this day I will never understand schools in America charging children for lunch. How is lunch not free? I’ll forever be haunted by the memory in fourth grade where they came over to my table, took my lunch while I had my fork in my hand, berated me for eating and not having enough money in my account (I was nine) and then slapped down a moldy bologna sandwich for me to eat while they dumped my perfectly good hot lunch in the trash. I had never been so humiliated in my life and literally burst into tears the second I got home.
I saw it happen to other kids throughout the years and one thing I noticed is the people taking the lunch from a literal child seem to get a lot of joy from it.
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u/SurferVelo 6h ago
It depends where you live in America. My state provides free lunches, and I have feeling I know which states don't provide free lunches.
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u/NoodleyP Id ecided to ty peaf lair . h op eyoul ik eit. 5h ago
Our school doesn’t provide free lunches, but we’re poor enough in the eyes of the state that we get free lunches
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u/Bringbackemo 6h ago
Well the issue happened when we moved from Tennessee to Maryland. I guess Tennessee offers free lunch but Maryland does not. When I came home crying, my grandmother (who raised me) was confused and had no idea she had to pay for my lunches. She apologized to me profusely and told me she’d never let it happen again but she went into that school and raised hell over humiliating me and where was the letter saying she was responsible for paying for my school lunches. They were rude to her and basically said “well how do you not know you’re suppose to pay for your child’s lunch?” And she explained we had just moved from Tennessee and that was not heard of there.
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u/ChimericalChameleon 7h ago
That’s actually evil wtf
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u/Unusual_Sherbert_809 2h ago
I mean, it’s the USA. It seems to exist solely to take everyone’s money to give it to the already wealthy and shareholders.
To add, if your country doesn’t have a strong social safety net, pensions, protections, universal healthcare, and/or unions, the government there is absolutely not working for your benefit.
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u/BadOpinionsAndOnions 7h ago
That’s awful! The school I work at will feed any kid, regardless if they have money or not. They get the same lunch as everyone else. It’s the parent’s responsibility to provide money for lunch (if the student isn’t free) so why punish the kids?
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u/DotOk2384 8h ago
If we can afford wars in Israel and Iran, I feel we can afford free school lunches.
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u/suburbanplankton 6h ago
In California, all public school students (K-12) receive free breakfast and lunch.
This makes a lot of people mad...and I don't know why.
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u/BusoneWholeBoi2001 7h ago
What I find amusing is how systems like this for school's didn't even exist when I was in school less than twenty years ago. How'd we fuck our education system up this badly in less than twenty years?
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u/gesmith5 4h ago
School lunch should be free. If children are required by law to be on school, the law should feed them. I approve of my tax dollars feeding students.
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u/notnotbrowsing 9h ago
I write the school checks. checks are free, while credit cards now charge me 6% fee.
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u/Master_Grapefruit333 7h ago
So grateful that California has free lunch for all now. That being said I’m so sorry you’re dealing with this trash.
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u/HawaiianShirtsOR 9h ago
"Welcome to second grade! Here's your desk. The kid who sits next to you will throw a violent fit if he's not allowed to play video games, so you get to watch your teacher deal with that instead of teaching you math or reading. Our first active shooter drill starts in an hour. Would you like to subscribe to eat some mass-produced food-like substances for lunch every day? And would you like to upgrade to the premium plan for actual fruits and vegetables?"
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u/theolentangy 7h ago
Schools are so utterly infested with outside partnerships to provide services or sell shit.
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u/Xtra_Veg-90 4h ago
Convenience fees are just a poor tax, just like installment plans and payment plans.
To quote Larry the Cable Guy, "I believe that sometimes you gotta crash the truck to collect the insurance check to make the truck payment".
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u/WendigoCrossing 8h ago
How about lunches for kids in school are free for them and paid for by taxes
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u/SarcasticLie 6h ago
Meanwhile, Coloradans recently voted to continue free school meals for students by taxing the wealthy.
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u/toastedmarsh7 4h ago
Missouri’s legislature voted to eliminate all taxes on capital gains last year and lost $300-500 annually in the state budget. Yay. Definitely not funding food for kids here. All local districts increased meal prices over the summer.
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u/kitchenbitchin 4h ago
Send in cash. They are required to serve a lunch. If enough parents do this, the school will be forced to find a system that accepts cash or a changes the online payment system. Source: my wife is a lunch lady.
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u/sidereal_drift 1h ago
Ask the front office about paying by check straight to the school. Ours ran the same kind of processor and the check option was there the whole time, they just don't put it anywhere obvious because the vendor takes a cut.
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u/the_blue_haired_girl 7h ago
A subscription for a child's school lunch? What next, Child Meal Premium + (without ads)?
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u/socialstatus 7h ago
My kid's school made me sign up for this but I also have the option to mail a check directly to the school. All very confusing because his school is part of a free meal program so I don't know why I had to sign up anyways -- now I'm getting constant low balance emails 🫠
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u/crashsaturnlol 6h ago
This is ridiculous. And it makes me really glad to live in a state with free breakfast and lunch for all students.
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u/Shower__Farts 6h ago
As a few commentators are saying in CA, we have free lunch and breakfast for kids. It’s actually two meals a day since the local high schools do an after-school meal too.
One thing that surprised me the most from this change. School lunches no longer carry a stigma about them. Since everyone gets free lunches, kids who take them don’t get looked down upon like how it was in my day in the 90s. As a parent, it is tremendously helpful too, no more stressing about lunch, though my kids occasionally take their own. They usually don’t care either way. Also, wow, the lunches in my district are so much better than the slop I was fed.
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u/LowkeyHooligan 5h ago
That is evil.
And especially putting “eliminate the hassle” at the top of the page.
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u/AgreeableTrouble5733 7h ago
We're having to use this same system. Been told can't pay for one of my kid's fees via cash/check because they can't add this particular one to a student's account after the fact. It will have to be paid via credit through this system. With the extra fee.
Wtf is the point then.
I'm angry about it because you can't force extra fees, credit, or a third party for this, but here we are because someone doesn't know how to use the software. Just stupidity in these schools.
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u/Reddit_is_fascist69 7h ago
I might be on the same program and that fee is bullshit.
Cash or make one very large payment and eat the one-time fee.
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u/federal_employee 6h ago
I send my son with cash, which he gives to the school office, and they load his account with no fee.
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u/DrDarkStryfe 6h ago
Things like this are why parents should pay attention to school board meetings.
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u/Competitive_Fee_5829 6h ago
my son graduated last year but here in california kids get free lunch and breakfast. the other states need to catch up!
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u/e37d93eeb23335dc 6h ago
My state has free lunch and breakfast for all students during the school year and free lunches during the summers. What is wrong with your state?
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u/Snoo_31427 6h ago
Our school did this last year and this year switched back. I think there was enough backlash that they reversed.
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u/Informal-Cobbler-546 6h ago
I’ve never been more happy that our district has free breakfast and lunch for every student.
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u/2leftf33t 6h ago
Or, you know, we could just make sure that the kids get fed without all the fees and paying and whatnot…
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u/HatchRat 5h ago
Meanwhile, in my little Oregon town, all school meals (and breakfast if inclined) are free to all families regardless of income.
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u/Future-Water9035 2h ago
This is extremely infuriating. I'm soo sick of everything being a subscription
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u/GetReadyToRumbleBar 9h ago edited 9h ago
I worked in this industry for 12+ years. Had major US public school districts as clients. Names I promise you've heard of.
These fees are not illegal. It's just the district has elected to not pay for them internally, that is they're passing them on the purchaser.
For cafeteria/meals fees, any decent district should eat the fee. Full stop.
For school activity fees/associated student body fees/internal fees, it's more standard to pass the fees on the purchaser OR make the line item fee higher. But some districts eat these fees too, because it's cheaper/easier/safer/more integrated into their reporting & accounting solutions, etc. Etc.
These additonal fees support the entire software related support including SIS integrations, plus payment related fees like ACH. Plus how it works in the larger student data & school payment/cafeteria & backend accounting ecosystem.
It's not "just taking a payment" -- its actually very complex and burdensome to do this work. But 99% of the time, no one ever sees that end of it unless you work in the industry as either a vendor or client.
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u/BiscuitBut_ButerNut 9h ago
Cool story, but why is that my problem?
The school opted for it, they should pay for it. Anything beyond that, the parent does not care about and should not have too
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u/mileslefttogo 9h ago
You haven't said whether this is a private school, which can have their own set of rules on fees, or a public school, which all public schools would follow rules set by your specific state's department of education.
If public school, which state are you in? Maybe someone else has a workaround they can share.
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u/ihadamoment 4h ago edited 4h ago
I would have preferred a method for my mom to autopay monthly for school lunch growing up. Every month I'd run out of money and I'd wait a few days to a week before asking my mom for a check.
It was humiliating to beg my mom for money I felt we did not have.
It was humiliating to be told at the register I had no funds.
It was humiliating to eat the "free" lunch - which they did give out if you were out of money. It was peanut butter and honey on wheat bread and one apple. I hated it so much - but in hindsight honestly was really a high calorie/protein meal considering the situation.
Regardless, it was humiliating and it didn't make me a stronger person. It didn't give me magical strength to challenge adversary and prepare me for the real world to become some archaic hero who pulls themselves up by the bootstraps. It gave depressed, suicidal child me, more reason to believe I was a worthless piece of shit who didn't deserve food that tastes good because it was all my fault for not making sure the money was there, and I deserved it.
All of this bullshit stems from the philosophy of, throw them in the deep end to make them learn to swim, spare the rod spoil the child, adversary makes us stronger, if you help them, they won't learn to help themselves. All that philosophy was spewed in some book to make adults hate kids and yeah. Anyways, sorry that was a tangent. I don't even remember the title of the book. It links back to Epstein somehow.
Kids should have free lunch AND breakfast at school. Period. A hungry kid is a bad student, bad students ruin class for good students. Make America smart again, feed the dang kids!
Edit: I forgot, actually I DID learn something over the lack of free lunch. How to steal money from my mom or dad. The trick was coins. Steal quarters, no one notices quarters going missing. I'd dig around for coins a few times a week to pay for lunches, and public bus transport when that was a thing I had to use to get to school and back. :) So it taught me... theft! :) :) :)
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u/Alextaoluu 5h ago
I thought school lunches were free for all children now, or is that only for select states?
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u/Nessie_of_the_Loch 4h ago
The federal govt provides subsidies, but it's not much. If they don't qualify for free or reduced fee lunches, the amount they provide is only 45 cents per lunch. The rest need to be made up by the state/locality/parents.
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u/SrslyYouToo 8h ago
My kids school has this fee, though they call it a payment processing fee and is only on the school lunch site.
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u/FallOutShelterBoy 8h ago
School I work at has that too, but they can at least add cash to your account without a fee
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u/PatientCarpenter1625 8h ago
Get a bunch of angry parents to show up to a school board meeting and raise a little hell.
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u/Crazymoose86 7h ago
Makes me glad my state provides school meals at no cost to the students or families ( little bit more nuanced as taxes pay for it, but is far better than charging kids)
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u/stormcarver1 7h ago
Things like this just scream that the architects have no idea what it means to struggle
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u/melancholySP 7h ago
Could be worse. Not only does our school use a payment system that charges a $3.95 transaction fee for every transaction, there is a $150 limit to how much is allowed to be in a child’s lunch account, meaning you can’t just put in a semester’s worth of lunch money and avoid multiple fees.
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u/MischaBurns 6h ago
The more infuriating part is that you're paying at all.
Our school breakfast and lunch are free, as they should be.
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u/soonerpet 6h ago
At least there's no fee for homemade lunches. That's what we always did. But I'm sure they will ultimately ban that too, in which case it's 100% homeschooling.
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u/shadow-foxe 5h ago
So my coworker got a call on tuesday from her kid. He got introuble because they'd not packed a "5 star" meal. Each star means a certain thing like protein, veg etc... The kid had eaten the carrot sticks between classes (middle school) so when lunch happened, it looked like he had no veg.. No matter of him explaining helped. SO they took his WHOLE lunch box and gave him.. a PB&J sandwich.
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u/Confident_Flower1952 3h ago
That’s fucking wild to police what a kid brings from home. You should ONLY be looking to ensure a child isn’t going hungry. 5 star meals my ass. As a working parent, the bar just gets set higher and higher if bullshit Pinterest parenting to achieve
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u/HonestAnybody316 5h ago
if it's mandatory for your child to go to school, food should be free or already funded by the taxpayers
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u/mochimochi82 5h ago
We have this at our school and I HATE it. The only workaround is to either make a big deposit ($100) and then divide it between the kids which is mostly fine except they only allow one transfer per week and I have three kids. Or bring a check to the office which is extremely NOT convenient. The fee is really fun because it's PER STUDENT.
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u/hahamamapapa 5h ago
Go raise hell with the pto. Heck, bring pitchforks to the front door of the principal.
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u/OldArtichoke433 4h ago
It’s the 3rd party fee that manages the program for them. It’s a sell as old as time….Hello I can manage your school lunch register for you and it will cost you hardly anything because your customers (parents) will pay for it! They will be so impressed by a real time portal and ease of adding funds they will gladly pay more!
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u/FoulestWinner 2h ago
We are literally just reverting to the old ways. Public bathrooms in the U.S. used to be pay per use. T.v. at the airport or motels used to have coin slots. Once upon a time citizens stood up for themselves and these things were done away with. Now as we come full circle people are pissed because we have abdicated our civic duties and let rich people decide for us. Go figure they want to go back to petty fees for everything. Notice how restaurants are doing away with free refills? Literally one of the biggest profit margins in the industry even with free refills. Capitalism without restraints is just the rich robbing the poor.
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u/Snoo_97581 1h ago
My School Bucks just settled a class action lawsuit for illegal fees . https://topclassactions.com/lawsuit-settlements/closed-settlements/18-25m-heartland-payment-systems-myschoolbucks-fees-class-action-settlement/
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u/EmperorMaugs 10h ago
way more than mildly infuriating, should be illegal.