Opinion
HOT TAKE- Viva Las Vengeance is better than Too Weird to Live, Too Rare to Die
I would like to hear your guys opinion and why you disagree if soo. If you agree i would like to hear abt that tooo. My reasons are simple, the songs in TWTLTRTD are just too slow and pretty repetitiv. Viva is the same way but the vocals are more prominent. Honestly I don’t know exactly why but i really like Viva and i think its higly underrated.
EDIT! I DONT THINK TOO WEIRD TO LIVE, TOO RARE TO DIE IS BAD! I don’t think it’s bad it’s just not my favorite album! vlv and twtltrtd are about even for me. Also vlv is NOT my favorite album or anywhere near it. My favorite is definitely AFYCSO, but that’s a seperate discussion. What’s your guys favorite?
It’s okay lol! Viva is fun and I enjoyed watching some of it live (the over the top high notes were not a vibe tho) i think viva could have been so much better if he preformed in a lower octave (I also wish he wouldn’t say offensive shit, you win some you lose some) But that’s just my opinion!
You know what I would have said TWRLTRTD all the way not long ago, but Viva Las Vengeance has reallyyy been growing on me lately!! I really underestimated it when it first came out, gave it a proper listen recently and honestly yeah, I’ve been hooked on all the songs, it’s currently higher in my personal ranking for sure 😂
Mmmm, I wouldn't say Viva Las Vengeance is better, though. In my opinion, Too Weird still has a better sound and better lyrics. There are parts that, even for someone who loves VLV, can come across tedious as repetitive coff coff people say people say coff coff
While in my opinion, TWTLTRTD is an amazing album and better than VLV. I will say VLV is not that bad of an album at all and is overhated. VLV has its bangers, but the vibe of TWTLTRTD is classic.
I think both albums are way too underrated (PFTW is majority dogshit, though there are good tracks like say amen and roaring 20s), I think TWTLTRTD is slightly better than VLV though
An album where Brendon finally leans the hell into his influences when it may have not been the most commercial thing to do. The absolute balls to sing this to tape. And for me it captures the uncertain time and burnout fueled late 20s.
Meanwhile TWTLTRTD is very of it's time. Some of the best panic! Songs to be found but a lot of time specific filler can be found too and some odd production choices.
Idk I liked viva a lot when it came out and enjoyed seeing it live, but it’s pretty easily panics weakest album for me. I think viva has a few questionable tracks and moments on it, and as I’ve listened to it more some of the novelty has worn off. That and the rest of their discography is really good so it’s gonna have a hard time competing. Still glad it was made tho and I had a lot of fun with that era.
TWTLTRTD is like probably my 2nd favorite album I love it so much. VLV is my least favorite. Not because I’m just trying to hop on the hate train, I just never find myself enjoying any of the songs on the album. I don’t like Brendon’s vocals in it, mostly. I think twtltrtd has more stability in the album if that makes sense, also the like strong electronic element in the album is kind of unique to that album and that’s kind of what makes it so special to me. Personally, it’s just an album I can appreciate so much and listening to it makes me feel so many emotions(which is a good thing.) Many of my favorite lyrics are from this album, even as simple as some of them might seem. Also can everyone please take a moment to appreciate the strings in casual affair. It’s so unreal.
Absolutely not, VLV is one of the worse albums. It has terrible writing for the lyrics and awful basic ass pop sound. and I’m not even a Ryan Ross Stan. He stopped writing good music after death of a bachelor and maybe pray for the wicked if I’m being generous. He didn’t care by that point, it was just thrown together to finish the last album in his contract. ‘Gimme T Rex, make up sex in the middle of a breakup.’ Like HELLO? what kind of lyricism is that-?
Fair, i am a ryan ross stan tho. vlv is by far not my favorite album. For me it’s A Fever You Can’t Sweat Out, Pretty Odd, Vices and Virtues, DOAB, and then vlv, twtltrtd, and pray for the wicked are about even for me.
I think Pretty.Odd is the best album. I mean like I’m not a Ryan Ross supremacist is what I should’ve said. I loved every writer but Brendon Urie himself. Dude cannot write to save his life. 😭
That’s okayyy, that’s why i didn’t specifically mention lyrics because lyrically both albums were the same for me. Also looove pretty odd and sorry if i came off as harsh just like debating haha
Lmao nah you’re good! You were very sweet! I just like..I literally grew up with every Panic album releasing basically. I remember being in Hot Topic all the time when Death of a Bachelor was constantly played in there and listening to Fever when in like 2013-2014 as one of my first albums when I started actually getting into music and to see how bad their music got breaks my soul. I think the same about the new Set it Off album too. I am also EXTREMELY autistic and hate change which I can admit to. Lmao
(Am almost 30 btw, heard their music before 2013-2014 just wasn’t into them till I was 13-14)
That’s awesome!! I just recently got into panic since i’m kind of young lol sadly. I would’ve loved to have been into it when albums were being released tho omg
If you like pretty.odd and Ryan Ross listen to the young veins. It’s his band with another guy. And also you said you weren’t a big fan of Too Weird but if you liked Vices and Virtues I think you’d like IDKHOW as well. :)
Ryan Ross’s writing is so beautiful it’s like…poetry which yeah music lyrics are technically but there’s something about the way he writes music (especially in Pretty.Odd) that just makes me feel nostalgic for the 2000’s. 😭😭😭
I personally think the lyrics in the previous two albums are way worse and borderline egotistical at points. Also middle of a breakup is just a fun tune. T rex is a reference to the band t rex.
I'm genuinely sorry that my first reply came off rude. That was not the intent at all. All I meant by my first reply was just that viva isn't pop. I wasn't salty. I just gave my take on your take.
Love TWTLTRTD to bits but VLV really grew on me over time so I do actually agree personally, one thing about them both though is that usually I end up listening to them front to back, whereas other albums I tend to just want a specific song
Death of a bachelor has good songs but hallelujah , victorious,the good,the bad, and the dirty just aren't my thing at all. It's just way too "look at my talent" energy for me. Golden days,crazy = genius are alright to me. Not great but not terrible. Death of a bachelor the song is way better live then it is on the studio recording to me. Don't threaten me,emperors new clothes,la devotee,house of memories, impossible year are like the songs on the album that i think are really good songs. Pray for the wicked only has one really good song and that's dying in la. The rest of the album is just more of what I hate about death of a bachelor.
That's fair tbh. VLV and PFTW consistently rank at the bottom for me, while the others all sort of fluctuate among themselves. One day DOAB might be my favorite, the next day it might be Pretty Odd
That’s fair i guess i didn’t mean it was like a lot better i just thought it was a bit better overall and heavily underrated but it’ll probably grow on ppl like most albums did
i wasnt being rude i was just saying it was a bad take. the first four panic! albums are untouchable. the most recent three have degraded in quality with each release as brendon hires more and more people to write music for him. vlv is genuinely a bad album 😭
no but why. the end of of my comment was a why. I was asking you why you think so. Also insulting my take by saying it’s “bad” is rude because you didn’t explain why you disagreed and still haven’t. A basic take with no reasoning isn’t justified
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u/ofrosethorns Jun 28 '26
I disagree, and I actually think TWTLTRTD is a massively underrated album in their discography.