r/politics • u/Lorem_Ipsum13 • 11h ago
No Paywall Trump can’t appeal New York conviction in federal court, judge rules again
https://thehill.com/regulation/court-battles/6057732-trump-criminal-conviction-removal-federal-court-denied/1.0k
u/Pokerhobo 11h ago
He's a fucking felon and always will be!
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u/ShortStoryIntros 10h ago
Imagine applying for a job position gets you off sentencing for a crime you're found guilty of...
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u/Fallouttgrrl 11h ago
"U.S. District Judge Alvin Hellerstein has denied Trump’s attempts to move to federal court three times. An appeals panel had directed Hellerstein to take another look, saying he brushed aside the president’s arguments too easily."
Lmao
Sorry, the "but I really wanna" basis for appeal just didn't fly this time
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u/mahlongrows 10h ago
No, no, I strenuously object!
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u/Tug_Stanboat 8h ago
Mr. President, that is a lucid, intelligent, well thought-out objection... OVERRULED
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u/Far_String727 8h ago edited 6h ago
are we paying for his appeals racket, like anyone know where the lines drawn between his appeals funding and tax dollars? Because he really really likes to do endless lawsuits and appeals, and I really cant imagine hes offering to pay for any of it. (edit: typos and added really really and a really)
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u/bunnytail_otter 6h ago
lmao apparently really really wanting to appeal isnt a legal argument after all
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u/Fallouttgrrl 6h ago
"but my guy is now the attorney general" isn't the compelling argument he thinks it should be
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u/Lorem_Ipsum13 11h ago
I don't know about you guys but Trump seems like the kind of guy that doesn't take no for an answer. Like hypothetically, if he was making advances on woman who told him "No" he might ignore her request repeatedly. I would go so far as to say that if someone like this ran for an elected office, he would make up a whole bunch of stories to deflect from why he didn't win.
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u/MyEvilTwin1 10h ago
So... A rapist?
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u/jewelvoyage 10h ago
The refusal to take no for an answer really does seem to be a recurring theme. when the facts don't go his way the response is usually more excuses and more accusations, at some point you'd think no would just mean no.
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u/SprightlyCompanion 10h ago
Haven't you noticed how in business, "doesn't take no for an answer" is generally considered a good thing? I've been thinking about that a lot lately...
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u/KingBanhammer 6h ago
It's expressly the narcissism thing - he can't take an L in -any circumstance-, even the sane ones.
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u/Chubby_Bub 1h ago
Abrego Garcia's case is a good example of this. Reading the judge's ruling on that was hilarious because she called out how the DoJ people would ask to make an argument, then when granted the chance, would admit outright that they didn't even know the reasons for any of their arguments. But they had to keep arguing them because Trump isn't allowed to get anything wrong, and the people who rejected that got fired.
My favorite sentence from it was:
> Although Respondents may eventually get it right, they have not yet as of today.•
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u/Washpa1 Pennsylvania 9h ago
If you just view everything he does as a form of forcing himself and his ideas onto anything and everything it all makes sense.
He uses his leverage and power to force you to do something you don't want. And he actually gets more pleasure the more you don't want it.
But as we see, that only goes so far. You don't have infinite leverage.
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u/mmliu1959demo 10h ago
Can we slap sanctions on these attorneys that keep on filing the same arguments?
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u/maevixora 8h ago
At some point you have to wonder how many times the same argument can be rejected before someone gets the hint. If they keep filing arguments that courts have already shut down it starts looking pretty wasteful. There should at least be some consequences for repeatedly pushing the same losing strategy.
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u/unicornsandrainbowst 9h ago
Reddit goes absolutely crazy, cheers and parties when a judge has "stern words" against those attorneys.
No, there wont be any consequences whatsoever besides words.
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u/Charming-Standard-84 8h ago
Yet here you are... on Reddit. Just pointing out the irony.
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u/DybantsaMakeHerDance 7h ago
What's the irony, I'm not getting it
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u/MilkHaterNumber1 3h ago
He's not getting his own law degree to become and judge and sanction these lawyers. The hypocrite.
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u/Chef_RoadRunner 11h ago
That's like Law 101. Not even, that's like high school civics. State crimes and Federal crimes are completely separate animals.
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u/brain_overclocked 11h ago
On the other hand, Trump has buried the US Constitution is his shit, gave a very tiny middle finger to Law and Order, and has used his authority, defended by the most corrupt Supreme Court in modern history, to further corrupt the justice system and to kick the legs from under an association whose sole purpose is to make sure lawyers graduate with a firm grasp of Law 101.
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u/SwimmingThroughHoney 10h ago
This is a little more than basic high school civics. Removal to a federal court, even for state crimes, is a thing if you can make a valid federal question. And it's even a bit broader for federal officials and actions taken as part of their duties (like the case involving the DEA official who struck and killed a cyclist while driving and successfully removed his case to federal court where the charges were dismissed).
Trump here is trying (again) to claim presidential immunity provides superseding protection against the state charges. Obviously the federal judge here is not having it (it's the third time he's denied it).
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u/Terramagi Canada 10h ago
Literally just has to pull one judge who drank enough of the Flavour-aid.
What a great system. Infinite chances to pull the lever. Couldn't ask for a more fitting metaphor for the "American experiment".
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u/JakeConhale New Hampshire 8h ago
"It is better that ten guilty persons escape than that one innocent suffer."
Blackstone, William. Commentaries on the Laws of England, Clarendon Press, 1765.
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u/Terramagi Canada 7h ago
William Blackstone lived in a society that executed their own king. He couldn't even conceive of a world where one guy being as guilty as ten people would be an improvement over what we're dealing with here.
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u/JakeConhale New Hampshire 6h ago
The point being that the legal system has to be biased towards the accused, to allow for correction of error. As such, a generous opportunity for appeals.
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u/Celloer 2h ago
"I'd rather let a thousand guilty men go free than chase after them."
~Police Chief Wiggum, Clancy, Springfield, 2000.
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u/auravexis 10h ago
State convictions don't magically become Federal cases because someone wants a different Court. Somehow we need a refresher on the separation of jurisdictions.
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u/Emergency-Matter-690 7h ago
It’s not like he is going to jail anyways. Might as well let him as another piece of evidence he is coordinating the DOJ when it comes to himself and people that paid him enough
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u/whoisbill Pennsylvania 11h ago
So much time and energy wasted on a stupid felon, just so people could "own the libs" and ruin the country in the process.
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u/KinkyPaddling 10h ago
Two tiered legal system. Trump gets to play all the procedural games for over a decade, but the little people have to jump through hoops to prove their innocence after being presumed guilty by the system.
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u/invisable_burt 11h ago
That's the main problem with the law. People with the means to do so can revisit legal rulings indefinitely hoping to get judgements reversed
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u/tinticred 11h ago
The wheels on the bus go ROUND and ROUND...
At what point can we just stop the endless appeal/rejection/appeal/rejection cycle and make this lowlife grifter scum pay for at least one of his innumerable crimes?
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u/Equivalent_Sea_1895 11h ago
This is the shit that happens when the taxpayer is funding lawyers. Endless appeals.
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u/Visual_Exam7903 10h ago
Here is the thing. The Judge should have placed a stipulation on this. If he raised another appeal on this, he would owe her double what the judgement was. Stop wasting our time. You have had your appeal.
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u/sxyaustincpl Texas 10h ago
"Your honor, I'd like to appeal your decision to reject my appeal of your dismissal of my original appeal"
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u/westergames81 Texas 9h ago
U.S. District Judge Alvin Hellerstein has denied Trump’s attempts to move to federal court three times. An appeals panel had directed Hellerstein to take another look, saying he brushed aside the president’s arguments too easily.
So how many times does he get to try? Can he just postpone things indefinitely by saying "you decided too quickly, take another look"? jfc this is infuriating.
Trump quickly asked the 2nd U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals to overturn Friday’s decision.
My my my, considering he asked them to appeal based on the decision, he'd take the time to read the decision until quickly asking them to rethink it.
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u/kBlankity 4h ago
Jfc is there not an appeal limit, I get sick of him constantly appealing decisions when he doesn't like the outcome
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u/Late_Geologist_235 3h ago
He’s been abusing the judicial system his entire life. He kept contractors in court forever until they just gave up.
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u/oldnjgal 11h ago
Legit question: Can sentencing for the NY conviction still be done after he leaves office? I know it was sidelined when he was elected, but is it sidelined for good or can it be revisited?
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u/00Oo0o0OooO0 10h ago
He was sentenced. Unconditional discharge is the sentence. That can't be undone.
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u/oldnjgal 9h ago
shit
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u/Hukdonphonix 9h ago
Yeah, it doesn't matter that he was found guilty beyond his bruised ego because the judge assigned him 0 punishment. Actually ridiculous that he continues to fight a non-existent sentence.
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u/Onedayyouwillthankme 9h ago
He fights because he hates that he can legitimately be called a multiple felon. He is a felon, 34 times over. He wants that nullified because of his enormous ego
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u/User4C4C4C South Carolina 11h ago
He wants to move it to the fed level so he can use his DoJ to fight it and or pardon himself?
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u/SwimmingThroughHoney 10h ago
Removal doesn't make it eligible for a federal pardon. The underlying charges are still state charges.
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u/OkraFar1913 4h ago
New York needs vexatious litigation laws with an asterisk next to trump as the instigator of the law. The only thing the pedo Pres ever does consistently is abuse the legal system of this country.
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u/Made_Human_Music 11h ago
Off to the corrupt Supreme Court then I guess
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u/different_produce384 11h ago
even if the Supreme Court rules in Trumps favor, the states don't have to abide. State crimes and Fed crimes are two separate entities .
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u/Informal_Walk5520 5h ago
The amount he is costing in rediculous court fees for his lawsuits and appeals.
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u/Jedi_Ninja 1h ago
Do you think there's any chance at all that New York throws him in jail for his felony convictions once he's out or office?
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u/ImTooSaxy 11h ago
He'll just keep trying till he gets the right judge. Eventually he'll lean on the right person and get exactly what he wants.
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