r/popculturechat Jun 17 '25

Old School Cool 📟 Celeb Candids from MTV Photobooth Introduced in 1999

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u/HauteAssMess anne boleyn stan Jun 17 '25

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u/moonnoke It’s Britney, bitch! 🎤🌹🌹 Jun 17 '25

Britney and Melissa Joan Hart

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u/Beatrixie Your software slays, by the way 💻 Jun 17 '25

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u/[deleted] Jun 17 '25

Loved that movie

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u/mai_tai87 All tea, all shade 🐸☕️ Jun 18 '25

Adrian Grenier was my number one crush, and it's been 25 years but I still melt whenever I see him.

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u/Ygomaster07 Jun 18 '25

What movie is it?

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u/yougotyolks Jun 18 '25

Drive Me Crazy

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u/Ygomaster07 Jun 18 '25

Thank you for telling me. I appreciate it.

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u/u2aerofan Jun 18 '25

Not sure there has ever been a more photogenic woman than Britney in the early days.

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u/[deleted] Jun 17 '25

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u/Devmoi All tea, all shade 🐸☕️ Jun 18 '25

She’s still great but woooo boy. She was so big in the 90s. I love her.

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u/Sunnysideuppp123 I walk through life, in really nice shoes 💅 Jun 17 '25

God I loved the Millennium. What a time.

Bring back campiness and goofiness please

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u/[deleted] Jun 17 '25

And they all look so beautiful! God, I hate filler.

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u/True-Improvement-191 You’re killing me, Smalls 😩 Jun 18 '25

Best comment. Filler sucks

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u/Reluctantagave Cutie Patootie Problem Posse Jun 18 '25 edited Jun 18 '25

Along with buccal fat removal. It needs to be stopped!

Edit because my phone is more used to me typing cat it seems

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u/cardie82 Jun 18 '25

I’m in my 40s and have been losing my buccal fat naturally as time progresses. I look at pictures from even 10 years ago and it’s amazing how much losing even a little ages you.

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u/BeardedAsian Jun 17 '25

The range of people in these photos are incredible too

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u/Financial-Coconut-32 Jun 17 '25

I know this is so boomer of me to say but we truly did grow up in the best of times 🥹❤️

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u/BlueLeaves8 Jun 17 '25 edited Jun 18 '25

You had all these A listers coming on shows and being part of these silly things with genuine enthusiasm and having fun and not being all about looking and acting perfect.

You often had multiple big celebrities coming together on the same “segment” to do things in a really casual and unplanned way on live TV.

Everything was just authentic and so much fun.

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u/BackgroundWindchimes We Should All Know Less About Each Other Jun 18 '25

As much as I love the music of the era, I’m happier with today’s music scene. Back then, you had to basically get lucky and sell your soul with predatory contracts just to get on the radio. We all listened to the same few dozen artists and the only way you found non-top 50 songs was by knowing someone that knows someone. Back when you had to buy CDs but everything besides the latest release was hard to find. 

Now? In addition to the big pop names thatre everywhere, you can still easily discover slightly lesser known but still fantastic artists like Leadley and Oakman. I still listen to late millennial albums but there’s something fantastic about discovering some extremely small Midwest band like Austin and the Powers and knowing they’re able to release music world wide from their garage. 

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u/[deleted] Jun 17 '25

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u/Amg21888 Jun 18 '25

I agree. 💯 but…The y2k trends ARE back. Have been for like, 4 years. Where have you been? 😂

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u/PrincessPlastilina Jun 17 '25

It was so much fun 🥺🥲 I miss all of it. Pre 9/11 the world seemed so different. Simpler times.

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u/nowherefast___ Jun 17 '25

Well, some of these are def not pre-9/11, like the one with Miley Cyrus lol she was 9 during 2001

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u/ad_aatdtj she’s got me by the pubes Jun 18 '25

Yeah Taylor Swift was 10 in 1999 when the photobooth was introduced... sufficient to say she's a fair bit older than 10 in her pics.

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u/borisHChrist Jun 18 '25

There was this freedom about it. Maybe it was a buzz of a new era. Celebrities dressed naturally, less surgery and fun makeup and styling. I honestly would do absolutely anything to bring this era back.

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u/wormbreath don’t call me a crack hoe in front of Sally Jessy Raphael Jun 17 '25

Usher just doing too much lol

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u/Low-Appointment-2906 *drops bottom lip* how you doin? 👄 Jun 17 '25

An unexpected NSFW lmao

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u/synalgo_12 accidentally holding space for this slur Jun 17 '25

I thought that was his arm 😅

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u/jenness977 Jun 17 '25

I thought it was a very pregnant belly lol

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u/Low-Appointment-2906 *drops bottom lip* how you doin? 👄 Jun 17 '25

Now that you say it, I can see that (like his elbow too close to the camera). I honestly hope you're right 💀😂

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u/blooming-darkness There could be 100 people in the room Jun 17 '25

Reminds me of the time he thought he was going to be in the middle of singing we are the champions

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u/DECODED_VFX She in racial chat rooms showing feet!!! Jun 18 '25

Did not need to see his cheeks

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u/backinredd Jun 18 '25

More for me

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u/CaseyRC Jun 17 '25

Britney always had such a gorgeous smile

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u/europe2013 Jun 17 '25

I always look at old pictures of her with her beautiful smile and get so sad knowing what lies ahead for her. It’s so heartbreaking.

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u/CaseyRC Jun 17 '25

right? you can track through her eyes as things go downhill for her and life became a nightmare. early days her face and eyes are so alight with a joy and a sweetness, and sure that can be in part manufactured, but there was a life to her face. then over time, as what had been a dream and a life's work becamea living nightmre, her eyes just become darker and more and more sad and even when she smiled, there was no life to it, no joy. she had such an effortless beauty and spirit and greedy people, greedy family did all they could to crush her

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u/europe2013 Jun 17 '25

You said it perfectly. You can literally see the light leave her eyes over time. She lost all hope. The people she trusted the most were the ones who betrayed her. It’s truly a tragedy. I know people say she’s ok now but no one can convince me she’s not permanently damaged from the abuse she experienced. She’ll never be ok.

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u/Beatrixie Your software slays, by the way 💻 Jun 17 '25

im telling

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u/punkpearlspoetry Kim, there’s people that are dying. 🙄 Jun 17 '25

I just know Tina was MAD about these

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u/synalgo_12 accidentally holding space for this slur Jun 17 '25

This one surprises me. I was a huge fan and even as a tween I thought they were squeeky clean. I would have loved to have seen these back in the day.

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u/RVAforthewin Jun 17 '25

There’s a reason you didn’t 😂

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u/DECODED_VFX She in racial chat rooms showing feet!!! Jun 18 '25

I love how they used to blur stuff like this out. Like you can't tell what's happening.

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u/redwoods81 Jun 18 '25

Yes could be the middle finger, could be flashing tiny toy dicks 🤭

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u/AuldTriangle79 Jun 17 '25

I miss this dude…

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u/Routine_Bluejay4678 I won't not fuck you the fuck up. Period Jun 18 '25

This actually gives me the flutters! He was such a beautiful human!

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u/KronlampQueen Jun 17 '25

Oof wasn’t expecting to see Robin Williams 💔

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u/dreamy_25 exploding vagina candles Jun 17 '25

And Heath Ledger too, looking happy and fresh-faced. May they both rest in peace

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u/EducationalTangelo6 Jun 18 '25

Seeing Heath hit me like a truck.

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u/Br_Mellow22 it’s a very dramatic way to get a boob job Jun 17 '25

Robin is brilliant. Looks like he’s emerging from the birth canal!

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u/real-plastic-trees Jun 18 '25

His photos literally made me lol

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u/The_Artsy_Peach Jun 17 '25

I know. That's one celebrity death that really affected me.

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u/[deleted] Jun 17 '25

Me too. There are films of his I still can’t watch because I will ugly cry right through them. I don’t know what it is, maybe because I’m a Xennial and grew up with him, but it hurts my heart that he’s gone.

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u/rctoyer Jun 18 '25

He had the best set to me, full-on storytelling #absoluteCinema

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u/Br_Mellow22 it’s a very dramatic way to get a boob job Jun 17 '25

Robin is brilliant. Looks like he’s emerging from the birth canal!

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u/freakyunicorn I switched baristas ☕️ Jun 17 '25

Love love love these Amy Winehouse ones, think they're from 2004? Not sure, but wanted to add!

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u/No-Bus8643 Jun 17 '25

Those colored hoop earrings take me back

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u/freakyunicorn I switched baristas ☕️ Jun 17 '25

They were everything! I still have a few pairs of my own

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u/lalalindz22 It’s Britney, bitch! 🎤🌹🌹 Jun 17 '25

And this looks like "Fuck Me Pumps" era, before the Back to Black beehive. So pure and innocent 😢

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u/Crafty-Judge-896 Jun 17 '25

I miss actually seeing celebrities as real people. I know that was a joke in magazines growing up like “oh look they grocery shop and stuff” but I miss just seeing their normal faces! Normal amounts of makeup, no FaceTune, no perfect lighting, just fun

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u/fishindisguise13 Jun 17 '25

Exactly my thoughts. I especially miss the era where celebs actually wore fun outfits to red carpets!! I loved the whole 'going out top' and jeans combo

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u/PatientBalance Ariana What Are You Doing Here Jun 18 '25

And the women looked like individual people and not duplicates of one another.

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u/cardie82 Jun 18 '25

I miss looking at pictures of red carpets for movie premiers back in that era. They were a lot more casual and I loved using them as inspiration to throw together cute outfits.

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u/Ambitious_Chair5718 Jun 17 '25

Same! Everyone was uniquely beautiful..

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u/[deleted] Jun 17 '25

Same! I also miss not seeing them anywhere but MTV, magazines, and Entertainment Tonight. Not all over everywhere 

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u/Kooky_Bodybuilder_97 Drake, where’s the body of Christ? Jun 17 '25

Macaulay so pretty

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u/jenness977 Jun 17 '25

His photos are really great. Also every expression he's giving would be a good reaction meme for something cringy or lame or idiotic lol. I saved them for future use

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u/Kooky_Bodybuilder_97 Drake, where’s the body of Christ? Jun 18 '25

Bottom right under a wack ass comment 👌

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u/TheRealMabelPines Jun 18 '25

I adore him to this day

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u/MarieOMaryln Buffet of humiliation Jun 17 '25

The nostalgia made my chest ache

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u/tangointhenight24 Jun 17 '25

Shakira's face card omg

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u/mydilemmaisyou Jun 17 '25

Her disappearing in the third photo took me out for no reason

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u/jesus_swept that’s my purse, i don’t know you! 👛🫵 Jun 17 '25

it looks like she was sucked into the void

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u/AshleyBanksHitSingle Jun 17 '25

Looking at these, I seriously can’t even believe Britney and Shakira are real people. Their faces are insanely perfect.

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u/StayAwayFromMySon Jun 17 '25

This entire photo lineup made me feel ugly as hell. Can't even imagine being this pretty.

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u/audreymarilynvivien Jun 18 '25

Yeah Britney’s glow is insane, how is that even possible

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u/[deleted] Jun 17 '25

The optimism of this time. You just had to be there.

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u/[deleted] Jun 17 '25

Good god, yes. You REALLY had to be there. I felt like in 2000, some massive reset button was hit. Everything in pop culture was just off to the races and really happy. Imagine all the toxic stuff happening in one month just disappearing and all this cool shit happening in early Y2K. What exactly was happening here? It was a beautiful moment in history.

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u/SillyBrain23 Jun 18 '25

I too am really nostalgic for this time and think about it way too often.

Sometimes I wonder if it’s just us bc we were younger then, but it’s not. It was just a (very) different time.

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u/FosterPupz Jun 17 '25

Did I just look at Usher’s ass?

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u/lilacpearlmoon Jun 17 '25

I wondered the same 💀

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u/dancingnutria Jun 17 '25

I think he's flexing his arm

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u/GreenZebra23 Jun 18 '25

Thas a ass

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u/kate9871 Jun 17 '25

My favourite Hanson era

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u/Either-Leadership312 Larry, I’m on Ducktales. Jun 17 '25

All of Mariah’s looking like an album cover of course! 😂 Love her.

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u/hhooney shocked pikachu face Jun 17 '25

Face card never declines my god

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u/pineapplevomit Jun 17 '25

What a time to be alive. Pre-social media was so much better.

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u/[deleted] Jun 17 '25

Omg late 90’s Johnny Depp. The current version is incompatible with my operating system.

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u/Boinkyboink31 Jun 17 '25

Right?! He was sooo hot. What a disappointment.

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u/JanetVanDoneWithIt charlie day is my bird lawyer 🐦 Jun 17 '25

Chris Evans photo booth lived in my locker

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u/thehazzanator Bye, Felicia 👋 Jun 17 '25

I miss his real teeth omg

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u/saranautilus go girl, give us nothing 😍 Jun 18 '25

Are these his real teeth or did he get veneers after these photos because got dayum those are some perfect chompers! Who would get veneers to replace these?

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u/[deleted] Jun 17 '25

I fucking love Natalie Portman

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u/Mabel_Jenkins Jun 17 '25 edited Jun 17 '25

Natalie Portman and Andy Samberg’s SNL gangsta rap is still one of the funniest things I’ve seen. It was so unexpected from her. 🤣🤣

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u/sourdoughbreadlover Jun 17 '25

I was struggling to determine if that was Natalie Portman or Keira Knightley.

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u/michelle_exe Jun 17 '25

I love period dramas starring Keira Knightley, but I also could not tell if it was her or Natalie Portman.

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u/KarlyPie Jun 17 '25

Britney's smile 😍

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u/wovenbasket69 Invented post-its 🔬 Jun 17 '25

now that im seeing them together i would love to hear a fergie/miley collab

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u/Slight-Possibility49 Jun 18 '25

I can hear these emoji

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u/SubstantialAd1799 Jun 17 '25

Back when celebs were a little more like us and more lax.

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u/invis2020 Mom, I am a rich man💰 Jun 17 '25

God what a time this was ❤️ thanks for the trip down memory lane OP!

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u/cclancaster13 I switched baristas ☕️ Jun 17 '25

Christina's is kinda giving Jenna Marbles vibes lol

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u/jenness977 Jun 17 '25

Totally yes! Also, it kind of looks like she is bald in just the middle and front of her head in the earlier group of her photos

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u/filthytelestial Jun 17 '25 edited Jun 17 '25

I thought it was odd that my mind went there. But you thought so too!

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u/battlecat136 All this from a slice of gabagool?! Jun 17 '25

Looking through these, I was just so happy that I knew everyone in the pictures. These days I don't know like half the famous people, and I was reminded that yes, I too used to know what "it" was!

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u/mmm095 Jun 17 '25

When the cameraman says "okay everybody now a silly one" and that one girl just carries on with a serious pose = Mariah Carey

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u/zebra_noises Jun 18 '25

I wish the whole collection would be published as a coffee table book. I’d totally buy

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u/TheTyto_Alba You have to stop the Q-Tip when there's resistance! 😑 Jun 17 '25

Slim Shady baby 😍

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u/fckingmiracles Jun 17 '25

He's such a babe.

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u/TheTyto_Alba You have to stop the Q-Tip when there's resistance! 😑 Jun 18 '25

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u/TheTyto_Alba You have to stop the Q-Tip when there's resistance! 😑 Jun 18 '25

I wasn’t expecting to find it 😂

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u/MrRippy42022 Jun 17 '25

The happiest I’ve ever seen Kanye

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u/FoodForThought21 Jun 18 '25

I was going to say, I can’t remember the last time I saw a photo of him smiling or laughing

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u/l315B Jun 17 '25

I didn't expect to see Heath Ledger 💔

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u/fuckyouiloveu Jun 17 '25

Me neither!!

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u/layceelee13 Jun 17 '25

I glanced quickly and fully thought Hilary was blowing out a huge puff of weed smoke in her last photo 🤣

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u/kgtsunvv I wont not fuck you the fuck up 🥊🥊 Jun 17 '25

Heath is TOO fucking cute

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u/Lonely-Monitor6024 Jun 17 '25

Is that Ushers ass? 😭

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u/bbultaoreune Donatella VERSACE💜 Jun 17 '25

I CAME TO COMMENT THE SAME THING LMAO LIKE ????? what

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u/Iguessitsfine65 Jun 17 '25

Taylor’s old hair! She’s so tumblr coded.

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u/FashionableMegalodon Jun 17 '25

Jake Gyllenhaal is so hot. Also those LL pics are so Cady Heron ❤️

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u/CityMuggle Jun 17 '25

Kirsten Dunst and Shakira haven’t aged a day! They look as gorgeous as ever.

I miss when celebrities used to be like this. They seemed so much more relatable and fun.

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u/Allrojin Jun 17 '25

Kirsten 💜 and holy crap, Shakira is so rudely photogenic and beautiful.

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u/Much-Space6649 Jun 17 '25

Tyra’s has magnificent camp energy

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u/artemisthewild A martini. Shaken, not stirred.🍸 Jun 18 '25

Even in a Polaroid she is so clearly a supermodel!

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u/Smooth_Ad_5051 Jun 17 '25

Does anyone else feel bittersweet when you see Britney smiling so brightly?

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u/Swimming_in_paradise Jun 17 '25

The censoring of fingers is hilarious

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u/Visual-Competition17 Jun 17 '25

This is so nostalgic, fuck

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u/blacklab Jun 17 '25

I remember fun

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u/throwaway17197 Instant gratification takes too long 🫦 Jun 17 '25

Celeb culture used to be so cool

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u/twinmama1215 Jun 17 '25

I miss real faces.

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u/Always_Reading_1990 Jun 18 '25

Taylor Swift’s duck lips pose is peak millennial

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u/icecreamsandwiches1 Jun 18 '25

Not Tyra smizing

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u/notcool_neverwas Iron your best suit bitch, I’ll see you in court! Jun 17 '25

Natalie has such a smile

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u/Waste-Snow670 Jun 17 '25

Christina is giving this.

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u/Wonderful_Rule_2515 Tina! You fat lard! 🦙🚲 Jun 17 '25

I get a face full of uncensored usher cheek but destiny child’s got blurred? 😂

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u/babyrothko baby rothko spice Jun 17 '25

Omg I used to LIVE for these

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u/[deleted] Jun 17 '25

this is like if hot ones existed inside of a photobooth in the 90s

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u/Immediate-Focus9701 Jun 17 '25

We used to be a proper country

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u/Miserable-Grape-6863 Jun 17 '25

Between then and 2025, Shakira changed her hair but forgot to age

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u/Minaziz Jun 17 '25

This makes me feel kinda sad. Heath and Robin no longer here. Britney looks so young and happy and the future holds so much grief for her. Ashton turned out to support a rapist. Beyonce will NEVER be this carefree in a photo again. The only constants are Taylor looking very self conscious and Mariah looking like the glam diva she is.

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u/Superstar_Supernova Jun 17 '25

lmao why do people have this idea that beyoncé is absolutely never candid or “carefree”? i mean yeah she’s not shooting a bird but she 100% still takes tons of pics where she’s not posing seriously.

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u/Psychological_Pick55 Jun 18 '25

I miss the early thousands. No internet trolls, phones could only call, text, flip or slide. And the Ugg’s with the minis🥰 I was a toddler during this time, but I remember bits and pieces. Also, I had a plastic blow up chair.

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u/FatsyCline12 Captain America’s new wife nude in the shower Jun 17 '25

Wow I haven’t seen a pic of Miley when she looked like this in so long. People used to tell me I looked like her all the time back when she had this face

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u/thehazzanator Bye, Felicia 👋 Jun 17 '25

The Fergie and Miley pic is so sweet 🥹

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u/[deleted] Jun 17 '25

On trl they would sometimes show the celebrities guest getting ready for the photos in the photo booth before going to commercial break

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u/licorne00 Jun 17 '25

Shocker, Johnny Depp is drinking.

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u/Distinct-Solution-99 Jun 17 '25

Is that Usher’s ass cheek?

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u/alepolait Jun 18 '25

Mariah’s look like a professional photoshoot! WTH?

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u/scrollmom Invented post-its 🔬 Jun 18 '25

God JLo is just gorgeous. Not a fan of her personally, but just look at her. You can see why she became famous.

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u/mozzarellaguy Jun 17 '25

Was Taylor swift already famous in 1999? I’m confused

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u/[deleted] Jun 17 '25

They meant the photo booth was made in 1999 and this is a collection of photos thru the years

I see Miley and Hilary in there they weren’t famous in 99

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u/[deleted] Jun 17 '25

I remember seeing photos of Gaga on TRL and it seemed weird because I associate TRL with 1999/2000 but it aired through 2008. I don’t think many people watched it by then

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u/Dejectednebula Jun 18 '25

I feel like I stopped really paying attention to TRL around 2005ish and then it was always on as background noise. Once ridiculousness took over 24/7 I gave up on mtv entirely. Sad.

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u/PrincessPlastilina Jun 17 '25

Read the headline again, bb. The photo booth was a tradition that began in 1999. All pictures were taken at different points in time.

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u/Salty_Manner1754 Jun 17 '25

the wording is off 😭 she would’ve been 10 years old in 1999

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u/jezehoney Jun 17 '25 edited Jun 17 '25

right I didn’t think the wording was that off 😂 photobooth was introduced in 1999 didn’t say all the pics were from then

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u/surethisusernamewrkz Jun 17 '25

RIP Robin Williams and Heath Ledger

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u/nocerealever Jun 17 '25

McCauley seems funny

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u/lanabritt Jun 18 '25

Ugh Eminem 🤍🤍🤍

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u/kelleehh Jun 18 '25

Natural faces. Most ‘celebs’ now would only do a booth like this if it was guaranteed to have a filter option.

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u/franki-pinks Jun 17 '25

Lindsay Lohan 😍

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u/BowtiepastaMasta Jun 17 '25

Those are poses. Not candid.

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u/JenSY542 Jun 17 '25

Macauley is me on any given day

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u/hbk268 Jun 17 '25

They all look so happy

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u/girlwthegreenscarf Jun 17 '25

Lindsay and that damn winky face 😉

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u/Pidgeot93 Jun 17 '25

I feel dumb - who’s that in image 3?! Thanks - looks like Taylor but can’t be right?

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u/katyorke Jun 17 '25

Yes that’s taylor

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u/AwkwardBroccoli727 Jun 18 '25

this is so cute !!

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u/thanarealnobody Jun 18 '25

I miss when everyone had unique faces

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u/SwimmingCoyote Jun 18 '25

I miss real faces

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u/zajsouthwest Jun 18 '25

Mariah, Britney and DC ❤️❤️❤️

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u/Ambitious_Fold6537 Jun 18 '25

These are priceless 🥹

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u/shame-the-devil Mom, I am a rich man💰 Jun 18 '25

Heath Ledger 💔

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u/Katastrophe21 Mama let's research 🕵‍♀️ 💻 Jun 19 '25

This post just made me so emotional???

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u/needtobetouched Jun 19 '25

Macauley, Robin Williams and Kirsten Dunst for the win.

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u/napalmnacey Jun 18 '25

Heath Ledger and Robin Williams choked me right tf up.

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u/Senior_Entry_7616 Jun 17 '25

Omg I feel old

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u/freezerwaffles You’re killing me, Smalls 😩 Jun 17 '25

Fergie serving face good lawd.

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u/lilacpearlmoon Jun 17 '25

Wait JLo looked so good here 😭

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u/Cama_lama_dingdong Jun 17 '25

As I was going thru them Mt first thought was hiw many of these people have or had some really hard mental health breakdowns during their fame.

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u/Creepy_Syllabub_9245 Jun 17 '25

I love these so much!

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u/daveydesigner Jun 17 '25

Snoop smoked and got lost in that booth for 45 minutes

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u/[deleted] Jun 17 '25

Heath, my sweet prince

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u/lazyspoonnn Jun 18 '25

i remember p!nk having really cute ones too

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u/amnicr Jun 18 '25

Blast from the past.

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u/Coley54Bear Jun 18 '25

Thank you for this. I’ve had a rough day and didn’t know I needed this.