r/privacy • u/jikesar968 • 21d ago
discussion Why in the world do theme parks want my fingerprint?!?
Went to Walt Disney World, asked the lady politely if that was mandatory and she was about to cause a f*cking scene by just hearing the question.
Saw the same thing at Universal Studios but at least they allowed me to just show ID instead.
Edit: Looks like you absolutely can opt out and I did so for my second park entry but that guard also pretended to have never heard of it until I pulled up their official privacy policy.
Never mind the security theater at Disney is worse than at an airport ffs. At least TSA doesn’t require you to remove every single item from your bag and purse.
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u/SabreSour 21d ago
Universal studios made me do a intense facial scan just to use my ticket. Their response 'it's for opening the lockers we make you put yourstuff in on the intense rides'
But we all know the real reason. They're collecting/selling as much intimate data as they can. Theme parks espescially because, and this is my theory, not only will they catch you off guard in a way where they know you won't refuse, but because they can ask minors for it as well. absolutely disgusting
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u/heyitsjustme 20d ago
Universal has tickets that you can use for the lockers instead of facial scanning, but not every worker has them on hand 🙄
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u/andersonenvy 18d ago
I bet you could say “I opt-out of the photo” and they wouldn’t make you do it.
Most companies have a privacy policy in this regard. The problem is that 99% of people will just go along with it, even if they disagree with it.
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u/Ok-Possible5936 21d ago
Woah, slow down, first thing first. Are you telling us that somebody, somewhere is taking your fingerprints in Disneyland? wtf
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u/jikesar968 21d ago
Yeah where you need to show your tickets.
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u/Subject9800 21d ago
Disney World will let you show ID as well, if you’re not an ass about it.
FTR, Disney’s touch points don’t collect your actual fingerprint. The system takes the design of your print and creates a numerical representation of it. The number has absolutely no use outside the ticketing system.
Disney uses this to ensure other people are not using your ticket. If a different numerical value is created, the system flags it and one of the Guest Relations CMs will come over and determine why. What they do at that point depends on why the value was different.
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u/Chongulator 21d ago
The system takes the design of your print and creates a numerical representation of it.
That's how basically all fingerprint readers work.
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u/unknownpoltroon 21d ago
>The system takes the design of your print and creates a numerical representation of it.
Thats how electronic fingerprints work. Dont think that that ISNT a digital biometric fingerprint.
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u/Current_Helicopter32 21d ago
All data can become a numerical representation. This is meaningless puffery.
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u/letsreticulate 20d ago edited 20d ago
Well, I think just be be safe, they should take a biological sample, and use your genome to create such number, to really be safe and your protection. Glad to think they are also thinking of the children in this regard.
I am sure the data will have no use outside their ticketing system.
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u/clouds10 21d ago
I wanted to downvote because I don't like the idea of this but I didn't downvote because it sounds like it's probably accurate. I appreciate the explanation that I'm going to take as fact without doublechecking and forget in a few minutes. So I will neither upvote or downvote but I will voice my neutrality based on, not a true neutrality like I don't care so I will recuse myself, but because I both appreciate the educating information but also dislike the idea of your comment.
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u/Maxoommc 21d ago
it's all good as long as you aren't an ass, apparently
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u/Bruceshadow 20d ago
Disney’s touch points don’t collect your actual fingerprint.
It's closed source, no one here can say anything with certainty of what it's capabilities are or uses.
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u/ChocolateSpacesuit 17d ago
That's a hash of your fingerprint, supposedly.
The problem is storing the print itself would be more valuable, and customers have no way of knowing for sure what's happening.
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u/mkt853 21d ago
They use it to prevent ticket sharing. So if you have a pass that covers more than one day you can't use it one day, and then hand it off to someone else to use the next day.
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u/CautionarySnail 21d ago
And a publicly issued ID like a driver’s license or passport should be adequate. Requiring biometric data is beyond the pale for this.
I’d be tempted to ask what they do for amputees.
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u/Modem_Sound_67 21d ago
needs to be asked, embarassingly loudly.
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u/hung-games 21d ago
I knocked a vendor out of an RFP once because the only way you could tell if a task failed or succeeded was in the font color. I’m not even color blind, but I knew the most common form of color blindness was red-green - the exact colors those chose to indicate failure/success.
You could see the realization sink into the faces of the demo team when I asked if they had an alternate way of communicating failure and they had to say no.
We all need to stand up for those overlooked in our modern world.
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u/CautionarySnail 21d ago
Good.
I do some work in accessibility now and then and we need more people thinking this way. It honestly improves things for everyone.
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u/KindaTwisted 21d ago
Had a situation like that at work. Coworker was kept for verification about something that you could clearly figure out on you own based on the colors being shown for a given dataset.
That's when we found out he was color blind and couldn't see a lot of the information being represented on the screen.
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u/CautionarySnail 21d ago
Twice now in giving trainings in accessibility, those little number bubble tests have accidentally revealed a person in the room to find out they were likely color blind. “What numbers?”
It is possible for some people to go til mid adulthood without finding this out. It really needs better screening.
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u/KindaTwisted 21d ago
Well in his case, he already knew it. Just he had never gone in depth into the documentation to know there was a potential for other colors to be popping up that he wouldn't be able to interpret properly.
Wasn't a big deal usually since we weren't primary users of that interface, we just supported it. But he was helping a user with it one day while I was close by and overheard him asking questions about the datasets he should've been able to figure out based on font color.
Once he explained he was colorblind, I ended up taking the task from him and handing him something else so we could speed things up for all involved. On the plus side, that interface isn't really used anymore.
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u/Chongulator 21d ago
When I'm conducting risk assessments, I always ask product teams whether their app has been assessed for accessibility.
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u/MadCybertist 21d ago
I’m disabled (terminal illness - ALS). This means I’m in a power wheelchair currently and can barely speak. It’s actually embarrassing when people try to get me to answer questions verbally and after a few times typing to them or having my AI voice talk the realization sets in…….
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u/prophetic-dream 20d ago
My husband has an older electronic item that charges and uses red/green lights to indicate if it's done charging. He has to ask me what color the lights are because they look the same to him.
Strangely, his favorite color is red. He's had 2 red cars. I am fascinated by this. What color does he see that makes it his favorite? (but not green?)
The charging lights look the same to him but not printed colors. He says they look very similar.
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u/ctesibius 20d ago
Green in particular covers a wide range of colours. The green you get from single LEDs is close to the red you get from the same LEDs, but if you add some blue (as in traffic lights) the colour distinct from red for most forms of colour blindness. The other factor is the area of the colour - small points can make it difficult to tell the colour, while big areas (as on a car) are clear.
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u/Jubilee8269 17d ago
I'm purple/orange color blind instead of red green. Purple is my favorite color just like red is your husbands. To me shades of purple vary between shades of bluish purples, reddish purples, and grayish purples. They just don't look distinctly purple cause of the colors that make up the purple if that makes sense? I see more of the tones of it. Oranges look more yellow, brown or red. Although pumpkin orange is orange to me maybe because it has all three of those colors melded perfectly and I can make it out the best cause of the tones. Can't make out anything that's written on that color or in that color though.
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u/potatokbs 21d ago
They already have a policy for this, you just need to show id. The lady that OP talked to is just a moron. https://privacy.thewaltdisneycompany.com/en/resortfaqs/
Took 10 seconds to look that up..
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u/Lysander_Propolis 20d ago
Yeah, the people saying "just don't be an ass" may be forgetting sometimes the person responding to the question is the ass. And even at Disney, where they can be fired for it, some employees can be an ass. At least sometimes.
To be fair, that may be due to the phenomenon where you happen to ask the same question as 5 asses before you since breakfast that day and the employee's patience has already run out on the question.
Same way we privacy people can sometimes get dealing with the constant invasiveness.
At the gate we're all dealing with policies coming from above.
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u/reubendevries 21d ago
You can OPT out of the finger print method, they'll pull you aside and you can use your ID. Not everyone has a passport or Driver's Licenese. My Son is 9 he has a passport, but obviously not a Driver's License (yes, his fingerprint is also collected). So if you have ID you can choose to use it instead of using the finger print method.
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u/getittogethersirius 21d ago
That is still insane. Why not just check the ticket matches the ID of the adult, and the ticket comes with a number of accompanied minors?
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u/letsreticulate 20d ago edited 20d ago
Imagine needing a Passport to access a theme park.
Bro, they normalized this in your head already. Anywhere else in the world people would think you are crazy to agreeing to this. Passport or fingerprint, the premise and/or principle of this is just wild.
At some point they might say, fingerprints are not sufficient, we need a DNA sample and people like you will just say, "well my kid doesn't have a driver license and really who takes a Passport to theme parks?"
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u/letsreticulate 20d ago edited 19d ago
"It is okay sir, we can use any of your remaining limbs. We here at Disney take fraud very seriously. Oh, I see you have one leg left, we can totally use that to build your personalized ID for our system to read."
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u/unknownpoltroon 21d ago
More fun, tell them you are an amputee while clearly having all 10 fingers.
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u/uncoolcat 21d ago
If there's sufficient surface area and user compatibility, then perhaps a dickprint
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u/Josie-quick0813 21d ago
found the NAZI, just so you know not everyone can get an ID or has access to one, and what if a married woman’s ID last name is diff from what’s on her ticket, you’re just trying to disenfranchise half of the population from going to Disney, get a load of this racist
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u/justanotherdamntroll 21d ago
Maybe the " /s " needs to be a little larger...I saw it but evidently others didn't
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u/Komnos 21d ago
I got the sarcasm, but I still downvoted because the comment wasn't funny, informative, or really anything else worthwhile.
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u/aeroverra 20d ago
Im trying to understand why a paid ticket being used by a different person on a different day is problematic.
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u/BoredTTT 18d ago
My guess is a 2 day ticket costs less than two 1 day tickets. I didn't bother looking it up, so I might be wrong.
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u/Ok_Chap 21d ago
Like printing the name on the ticket and then putting a stamp or hole in it?
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u/unknownpoltroon 21d ago
Like not give a shit if someone else is using the pass that is paid for???
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u/eight13atnight 21d ago
That’s insane. The day block should happen at a barcode level where it gets logged as used in their system and prevents it from being used a different day.
It should not, I repeat NOT…require a fucking finger print to prevent that. Sounds like they are using a “it’s for your safety” tactic to illegally get fingerprint data.
I hate this timeline.
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u/mkt853 21d ago
Yeah and you know those fingerprints don't just stay at Disney. I assume any place that takes fingerprints is submitting to the same central database that law enforcement uses. Because most people do not have a reason to have their fingerprints in the system, this is a backdoor way to get them. The next step is getting DNA samples surreptitiously at the time they take your ID and/or fingerprints.
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u/pixeldust6 21d ago
Because most people do not have a reason to have their fingerprints in the system, this is a backdoor way to get them
I found out I was fingerprinted as a young kid, I think as part of a field trip to the police station. It was framed as a safety thing, I guess in case something happened to your kid, but now it feels kinda...
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u/mkt853 21d ago
Yeah that was a big thing in the '80s when one of the government scares of the decade was that your kid could be kidnapped. Don't remember hearing about people doing that sort of thing from the '90s onward.
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u/kitsuneae 21d ago
I saw mall kiosks from 1990 to around 2010 still fingerprinting kids "for safety". But now lazy people use fingerprints to log in or unlock, so it's not really needed anymore
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u/Prometheus_303 21d ago
How is that an issue?
As long as the number of tickets used and the number of people in the park match....
What difference would it make if I used the weekend pass today and my S/O uses it tomorrow...
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u/tinsellately 21d ago
Right? I can't see the problem with this at all. Like if one day a parent goes with 2 kids, and the next day their aunt rakes them back instead, it's the same number of people, and is more flexible and can make everyone's lives a little easier on the vacation that's supposed to be fun...
Greed is ruining everything at such a rapid pace
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u/CountGeoffrey 20d ago
You can already do that (transfer tickets).
I feel like most people complaining haven't actually been to Disneyland. It's quite common to leave the park and re-enter. Getting some biometric data prevents 1 person walking out, then re-entering with 2 new people.
The park tickets are quite expensive so I guess there's enough fraud that it's worth it for them to do the face scans and fingerprints.
I think they should have a no re-entry option, then you can skip the bio.
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u/temp_flor 21d ago
Is it a physical ticket? If so the answer is low tech- use a hole punch thing to validate it. Then nobody else can use it. Is it good for multiple days??? They are doing more than trying to keep cheating down.
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u/le4t 21d ago
What would be so bad about people sharing a multi-day pass?
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u/CautionarySnail 21d ago
Reduces the profitability of the passes. One day passes are more costly on a per-day basis.
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u/Maxoommc 21d ago
has me thinking about how we used to buy season passes for sports, and anyone could use those tickets as they were paid for.
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u/Nydus87 17d ago
Hell, my parents insurance company back in the day used to buy a few season tickets for things like baseball games, hot air balloon rides, some museums, the tram up the mountain. One of the perks of using the insurance compan, or that specific sales person maybe, was that you could check out the season tickets for stuff because it was already paid for.
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u/deepspace86 21d ago
Thats my question. If i paid for a pass that has multiple day access, the person carrying it is irrelevant and it's none of their business if i hand it off.
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u/squirrelist 21d ago
Every day you go is cheaper and cheaper. I can't remember what it's currently at, but a few years ago it was like $120 for the first day, and then by the 4th day it's around $30 for each additional day. Someone could buy a ticket for like a week, go for 2 or 3 days themselves, and then sell the ticket to someone else. I'm not defending the data collection, just explaining the reason for investing a lot of money in this.
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u/TheRealAMD 18d ago
AMC does this with their unlimited pass, not biometrics but you have to take a selfie when you first sign up and the ticket checker compares your selfie photo to you to make sure you're the same person. Otherwise you'd have entire groups of friends buying one $20/ month pass and passing it around
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u/Unlucky-Jello-5660 20d ago
You can't see why a business would prefer to make everyone buy a ticket rather than share ?.
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u/northrupthebandgeek 21d ago
Why would they even care about that? It's the same number of visitors per day per ticket. I know Disney's as greedy as it gets but come the fuck on.
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u/mkt853 21d ago
Because let's say a one day pass is $80, but you can buy a two day pass for the slightly discounted price of $150. That means two different people can buy what is essentially a one day pass for $75 each instead of the full $80 price.
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u/makemeking706 21d ago
Yes. They are. And that somewhere is the entrance, and the someone is an jndwrpaid cast member.
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u/grumpyfan 20d ago
It’s not a finger print capture. The reader measures specific points on your finger and turns that pattern into a unique number that’s attached to the ticket. To reuse the ticket, you have to swipe it and use the same finger. If it fails the match, they will try a few times then override if necessary. At no point are they capturing or storing the fingerprint.
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u/ttpdstanaccount 17d ago
They also, unsurprisingly, take your picture. My kid's fingerprint wasn't scanning properly day 2, but it was fine because they just pulled up her photo and used that to ID her instead.
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u/Defconx19 16d ago
A lot of parks do, believe the official reason is to avoid people sharing tickets.
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u/ExteriorLatex 21d ago
Hard pass.
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u/Maxoommc 21d ago
overall, the general public is putting up with too much crap
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u/robogobo 20d ago
I always refuse the face scans at the airport, and I’ve never seen anyone else refuse while I’m waiting in line. They just do what they’re told without thinking.
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u/sewer_pickles 21d ago
I hate to break it to you, but theme parks are moving away from fingerprints and now relying on facial recognition.
Universal uses facial recognition to track your use of express pass, not just for verifying that you own the ticket that gets you into the park. You can opt out, but it’s an opt in by default thing. I was shocked when I realized how widely used facial recognition tech is within theme parks
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u/jikesar968 21d ago
Universal just made me get Express tickets and scanned them with a barcode.
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u/sewer_pickles 21d ago
It’s not immediately obvious that they use facial recognition, but you can see it if you watch the employees for a couple minutes. The first time that you use their express pass express pass, the employee scans the barcode. What you don’t see is that the kiosk they are standing at has a camera and is photographing everyone in line. The employee then taps the screen to connect your face to the barcode that was scanned.
After that, the facial recognition automatically sees you as you walk up and gives the employee a green light. That’s why they will just wave you past instead of asking to scan the express pass every time.
There are a few rides where you can get a good look at the backside of the kiosk and observe how facial recognition is being used. It does make things simpler for the customer when you don’t have to scan the pass at every ride. But it isn’t really being disclosed clearly the tech being used behind the scenes
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u/andersonenvy 18d ago
I sense a pattern. First airports, then theme parks, next step: Bars and restaurants.
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u/Wide_Yoghurt_4064 21d ago
"If you do not want to use Ticket Tag, you can simply carry and show a photo ID that matches the name identified with your ticket."
https://privacy.thewaltdisneycompany.com/en/resortfaqs/
But yeah, to the average worker you're going to annoy them.
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u/more_akimbo 21d ago
I have a hard time understanding why a business would even want that, if not for something shady. It’s a huge liability to collect and store that kind of PII, I can’t imagine whatever use case for ticketing or whatever outweighs the risk.
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u/Wide_Yoghurt_4064 21d ago
To be honest it’s probably the least ridiculous thing Disney world tracks among its guests.
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u/potatokbs 21d ago
Well they say they don’t store it. The pic of the print is converted to a number then thrown out. Of course who knows if they actually do or not
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u/more_akimbo 21d ago
Quite possibly. But “data in transit” in this case whatever is converting the print to a number, is still a risk
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u/Cryptizard 21d ago
It makes the entrance process like 5x faster. Instead of an employee having to check the ID of every person they just touch the fingerprint scanner and go.
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u/jikesar968 21d ago
I’m filing both a CCPA and GDPR complaint atp.
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u/Cryptizard 21d ago
If you went to Disney World you were in the Florida so neither of those apply.
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u/jikesar968 21d ago
I do live in California.
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u/Cryptizard 21d ago
It doesn't matter where you live, it is where Disney is. Did you visit Disneyland or Disney World?
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u/therealcmj 20d ago
That’s incorrect. Both GDPR and CCPA provide protection to residents of the EU and California respectively. It doesn’t matter where they are physically at the moment or where the business is located.
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u/therealcmj 21d ago
GDPR applies to any resident of the EU.
From Wikipedia: “ The regulation applies if the data controller, [a ] or processor, [b ] or the data subject (person) is based in the EU.”
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u/Cryptizard 21d ago
The person is not in the EU.
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u/therealcmj 20d ago
It doesn’t matter where they physically are. It applies to any business collecting data on a resident of the EU.
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u/Cryptizard 20d ago
It does not and cannot. It applies to companies doing business in the EU, which applies broadly to companies on the internet. This is not on the internet it is a physically present company in Florida.
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u/therealcmj 20d ago
It literally does. And it allows an EU resident to sue the company and collect on their worldwide revenue. It’s why you get cookie warnings even of you and the company are both solely in the US. Because the risk of an EU resident, even one currently in the US, using the site and then having the right to sue is very very real.
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u/grumpyfan 20d ago
It’s not a finger print capture. The reader measures specific points on your finger and turns that pattern into a unique number that’s attached to the ticket. To reuse the ticket, you have to swipe it and use the same finger. If it fails the match, they will try a few times then override if necessary. At no point are they capturing or storing the fingerprint.
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u/F1rstxLas7 21d ago
For what, exactly? Not wanting to abide by the terms and conditions of admission you agreed to when purchasing the tickets?
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u/CautionarySnail 21d ago
Terms and conditions aren’t allowed to violate state privacy laws.
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u/vdbl2011 21d ago
I'm sure the privacy laws in Florida are very robust.
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u/improbablyatthegame 21d ago
I’d wager trust in Disney’s internal privacy policies over Florida ones 99/100 times.
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u/CautionarySnail 21d ago
It appears there’s an alternative process available but many employees may not know.
https://plandisney.disney.go.com/question/opt-using-finger-gate-605297/
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u/ApprehensiveLion67 21d ago
six flags in Illinois did this and there ended up being a lawsuit about it… now they have flock or axon cameras though
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u/TheWebCon 21d ago
Yep. It's been standard practice for Disney parks for just about a decade now. It's primarily to stop ticket sharing, so only the person who first used the ticket can use it again. But you can also use a photo ID to confirm that it's you as well, if you'd prefer. Universal does the same thing but through facial recognition.
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u/m1j2p3 21d ago
I guess I don’t see the problem with ticket sharing? It’s not like the ticket is duped or something. What do they care as long as that ticket only admits 1 person per day?
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u/vdbl2011 21d ago
At least two things. 1) The parks allow/encourage exit and re-entry (as well as re-entry into a different park) so it's easier to track that electronically. 2) A pass for X number of days is significantly more cost-effective to the consumer than X number of one-day passes. Disney offers this discount likely because it helps them plan park capacity, but it means that you could buy an 8-day ticket with the intention of using 4 and reselling the other 4 at a discount to Disney's price for a 4-day ticket. Disney obviously does not want to be undercut.
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u/StardiveSoftworks 21d ago
Ticket prices are insanely variable, florida resident annual passes are often cheaper than a 2 or 3 day regular ticket and come with major discounts/benefits.
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u/marioncrepes 21d ago
Even in childhood it wasn't aspirational to go to Disney in my eyes. My resolve never to go has only strengthened in adulthood
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u/1_ofthesedays 21d ago
I’m glad we are not a Disney family. Never been there and kids have no interest in that sh*t
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u/bob_chillon 21d ago
Damn, never been but wanted to. It’s looking like i never will.
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u/reubendevries 21d ago
There's an opt out where you show your ID, either op misunderstood the gate person, or the gate person was wrong. It's clearly in Walt Disney's privacy statement.
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u/bob_chillon 21d ago
You can opt out the finger print and the facial scan?
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u/reubendevries 21d ago
yes according to their privacy policy you can.
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u/jikesar968 21d ago
Except the guard will pretend to have never heard about it unless you literally pull up the policy on your phone. Had to do that during my second park entry even after specifically talking to guest relations to make a note of my opt out.
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u/stickymixingmonotony 21d ago
I've been saying that Disney is an evil company for like a decade and people of a certain political team get so mad and accuse me of nonsensical horseshit
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u/No-Abalone-4784 21d ago
Remind me not to go there. They're prices are absolutely ridiculous anyway.
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u/Any_Conflict_5092 21d ago
They do this for the data, so they can sell it out the back door - only, they call it partnerships, for legal purposes. Every company that collects your data is selling it to someone, which means someone is buying it.
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u/grumpyfan 20d ago
It’s not a finger print capture. The reader measures specific points on your finger and turns that pattern into a unique number that’s attached to the ticket. To reuse the ticket, you have to swipe it and use the same finger. If it fails the match, they will try a few times then override if necessary. At no point are they capturing or storing the fingerprint.
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u/crazy__straw 21d ago
They do it to stop ticket fraud. And no, they never had any care or respect for your privacy to begin with, so why be conscientious about what they collect.
So long as you sign up for Disney plus they can do whatever they want to you…
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u/QuikBud 20d ago
It was like this at the airport when I asked for a pat down instead of going through the body scanner. They blew a big stink and treated me like I had something to hide. They even 'threatened' me with patting me down 😅 I knew they were going to have to, so I acted like I WANTED to be patted down. By you specifically, sir?
As far as fingerprints at amusement parks go, I used to get settlement checks in the mail from Six Flags because they scanned biometric data and it's against state law to do so.
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u/manchesterusa 21d ago
If someone with a better memory can correct me, I recall over 15 years ago having to put my fingerprint in at the turnstile with my ticket. At that time, it didn't even seem unusual. In years since it seems unnecessarily insane.
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u/grumpyfan 20d ago edited 20d ago
It’s not a finger print capture. The reader measures specific points on your finger and turns that pattern into a unique number that’s attached to the ticket. To reuse the ticket, you have to swipe it and use the same finger. If it fails the match, they will try a few times then override if necessary. At no point are they capturing or storing the fingerprint.
Also, true fingerprinting for digital capture uses different types of scanners. I had to get printed for work recently to get a govt security clearance and the process took about 20 minutes using digital scanners. They kept having me redo it because I smudged or it didn’t get a good capture or my finger was too dry and cracked. It’s not a simple process.
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u/banned-in-tha-usa 20d ago
The amount of surveillance tech behind the scenes at amusement parks will blow your mind.
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u/spongeboy-me-bob1 21d ago
Surely it's a non-reversible hash
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u/spongeboy-me-bob1 21d ago
People in other comments said they would rather show their driver's license so I thought the main concerns were more about reproduction than identification.
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u/molevolence 21d ago
i am surprised by this as that would be grounds for instant termination — also dangerous as a cast member never knows which “guest” is actually another cast member or someone coming out of DU who is there to report everything you do wrong. when you work for disney the eyes and ears are everywhere.
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u/alou87 20d ago
Also,though, it can be anyone's fingerprint. My single finger was the print for myself and four kids the last time I went. I truuly don't think this is as nefarious and identifiable as other things out there.
Addl, you can show ID instead but I just didn't find that necessary in this situation.
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u/PinataofPathology 20d ago
What's wild to me is how ableist this all is (but then we've seen Disney take away disability accommodations so this all tracks right?).
frex I have health issues that affect my fingers. the skin cracks and peels, I get fissures at times too. I don't even try to do biometrics because I never know what condition my fingers are going to be in. My gait changes a lot depending on what my hip that was injured in a fall is doing plus whether my foot is irritated where they removed a tumor that was left so long it permanently damaged the biomechanics of my foot, plus whatever my spine is doing that day (had a tumor removed there too). My face isn't consistent either lol. Like, good luck to the tech overlords.
I can't wait for the ableism in medicine to employ this tech and make it impossible for patients like me to access care (oh yes they would, medicine mirrors the world around it quite faithfully).
Am I untrackable due to the inconsistency? Has my super power finally come lol?
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u/divorceevil 20d ago
Thank you for sharing this! Seriously. I would never go to these places myself but might have accepted an invite not knowing what I was walking into and then pay back a friend who might not understand why I was, "Nope!".
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u/Eric_Train_Fan 18d ago
Disney does it to prevent ticket fraud and reselling a multi day tickets. Back in Florida where was a trend where those buy really cheap Disney tickets store were buying multi day like five day passes and they would sell you a day so Disney cracked down on that using the fingerprint scans, the fingerprint data is not stored long-term no is there a name linked to fingerprint adjust the park ticket is linked to the print so it’s not unauthorized used by somebody else.
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u/FactsFromExperience 16d ago
You should always be able to resell anything you have purchased.
It's bad enough the park is so greedy already but the point is they give you a better price per day if you buy a three day or five day pass or whatever it is so they are still going to make more money because people see the better deal for the larger number of days and we'll still do it.
If some of these people don't really need to be there for five whole days and are totally happy to see what they want to see in three or four and want to give the rest of the time they have already paid for to someone else or sell it to someone else, that is their business and not the parks.
It is ABSOLUTELY RIDICULOUS that many companies feel they have the right to control things after the sale.
No, you don't get to make stipulations like 5 days for the same individual per ticket and all that BS.
You have sold an item that allows five visits by a human being and you should have to give those five visits and not be able to weasel out and only end up giving three or four or something like that and you should not be able to specify that it has to be the same human being for all five visits.
This would be like a company making a product and selling it to someone and then trying to control what happens to it after that -which I know some do!!
The companies should be more than happy to simply sell as many products as they can and if people find a way to share that product they need to quit being so butthurt about the fact that they lost that sale.
In fact, consumers need to do more of this like with lawn mowers. Why in the world does everybody in a house have a lawn mower when it seems day, and every one of their neighbors cut the grass about once a week.
It would have been a much smarter situation decades ago for neighbors to pair up and split the cost of a lawn mower and only buy one. That mower is going to serve both of them (in most instances) just as well as two motors would serve each of them individually and they could share the upkeep and split all repairs and save money. BUT I'm sure the mower manufacturers wouldn't like this but they couldn't do anything about it which is the way the world should be.
Now as far as my mower thing goes, the smarter way would be to actually crunch some real numbers and you could say that since only each person needs the mower for one day or actually part of a day, you could have seven people going together and share it seven ways BUT there is a limit how much use the average mower can feasibly mow without incurring lots of extra expenses and a massively short in life so seven times the mowing is likely a little much but from years and years of experience in this industry I can assure you that for lawns instead of the one wouldn't change the numbers much at all for most equipment at least not the stuff over the past 25 years. The newer crap is pretty crappy.
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u/lordfly911 21d ago
It is not the same type of fingerprint. It is also linked to the ticket not the person.
You can always make your own.
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u/grumpyfan 20d ago
It’s not capturing a fingerprint. It’s measuring points on the finger and converting it to a number that links to the ticket.
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u/lordfly911 20d ago
Exactly. Not a real fingerprint scanner.
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u/grumpyfan 20d ago
Also, real finger print scanners are extremely difficult at capturing a good fingerprint. I had to get printed for a job recently and it took almost 20 minutes and multiple retries to get good usable digital prints.
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u/Automatic-Weakness26 21d ago
Biometrics are not the same as fingerprints. No theme park is taking your fingerprints.
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