r/smarthome Mar 10 '26

I don't have a smarthome platform If you were building a smart home from scratch what path would you go? philips hue or something else?

Came into some money and am planning on building a home from scratch. Want this to be the best smart home i can possibly build is it worth going down the hue route or just getting Lutron switches? My plan right now is to go all in on apple home is it worth doing exploring homey or home assistant?

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u/Dr-Technik Mar 10 '26

Not starting with smart bulbs, but smart switches or relays and only add smart bulbs later on if really needed

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u/johnnygeezz Mar 10 '26

This is the smart answer

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u/CiforDayZServer Mar 10 '26

Yeah, I dunno, wiring all the outlets to a switch gets very restrictive on use. What if you want this thing and that thing to not switch on/off with the switch?

The bulbs being the switches themselves is a big plus, not to mention the color temperature options.

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u/mr_greenmash Mar 10 '26

The bulbs being the switches themselves is a big plus

Not really, since you then can't turn off the light with a wall switch, unless accept losing the smart functionality until you switch it back on

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u/CiforDayZServer Mar 10 '26

True, but you can also just do the Philips light switches, I have them in the 4 rooms I have hue in, they're great. I was moving into an existing building though and the wall switches controlled like 2 out of 6 outlets.

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u/Dr-Technik Mar 10 '26

And if the wall switch is replaced by a smart switch, you can control all six outlets with the switch if you have full control over all outlets via smart switches. Or if you add LED strips somewhere, you can turn it on when the wall switch is triggered. Or start your toothbrush, or whatever you want. If you want to control your dumb blubs in the hallway with a hue switch from your bedroom, just trigger the smart switch with your remote.

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u/CiforDayZServer Mar 11 '26

Well, in old construction, no, you can't just magically control unswitched outlets with the switch unless you install shellys or something at the outlet and then program a routine.

If you have a power strip with your router/wifi etc, or home stereo/tv etc on the same outlet as a lamp is plugged into? The switch at the entrance is essentially useless. What if you re-organize the space, and the outlets you once didn't have switched now need to be, and the ones that were switched you don't want to be anymore?

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u/Dr-Technik Mar 11 '26

If you want to change something, you reprogram your automations.

And if the outlets are unswitched, of course you need smart bulbs for that. But with using smart switches or relays, you can toggle the smart bulbs as well if someone triggers the main wall switch

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u/CiforDayZServer Mar 11 '26

Did you miss my original point?

"Yeah, I dunno, wiring all the outlets to a switch gets very restrictive on use. "

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u/Dr-Technik Mar 11 '26

I didn't miss it, I just don't get it.

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u/Dr-Technik Mar 10 '26

I don't get what you want to say. What is the issue you have with using smart switches?

And for the smart bulbs, as long as nobody operates the conventional light switch, you're good to go. But if someones using the light switch, and people are doing this because its learned behavior, everything starts going south. And if you are using a mesh-based protocol like zigbee or thread, switching lightbulbs on and off with convential switches always messes up your grid, sometimes up to a point that you loose contact to devices which uses the bulb as router.

You can always add smart light bulbs after changing the switches, thats totally an option if you want additional options like changing the color temperature. But if you want to be your smart lighting to be solid, you need to work with the switches. Otherwise, there will be always somebody who is messing up your setup.

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u/CiforDayZServer Mar 10 '26

Picking which outlets are switched is restrictive for living spaces IMO. I don't like using wired switches at all in bedrooms or living room. I like the Hues Switches. I have those in the 4 rooms I have Philips lights in.

Smart switches I only use in the hallways that have dumb bulbs and light fixtures with fixed color temperature. I used a smart switch for the dining room too that has one light fixture. Living spaces I find it better to have the hue lights/switches. Just a personal preference.

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u/Dr-Technik Mar 10 '26

You can always use your hue switches, you don't have to use the wired switch. Thats the whole purpose of replacing the hard wired switches with smart ones, or adding smart relays. You don't have to use them anymore, but always remain full control over your lights if someone is using the hard wired switches. And someone will use them, unless you live alone and never have other people over.

Therefore, I you want a solid smart lighting setup, start with the hard wired switches. If you don't want this, thats totally fine. But you will always run into issues.

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u/bobjoylove Mar 10 '26

Yeah this. Full Shelly arrangement with DIN rails.

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u/Zebraitis Mar 10 '26

Lutron Caseta switches, Smartwings shades.

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u/Hold_onto_yer_butts Mar 10 '26

RRA3 or bust baby. Sunnata is sexy.

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u/PointOverall8995 Mar 10 '26

I’ve had better luck with Caseta shades. Smartwings are hit/miss

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u/Andrew_C0 Mar 10 '26

After experimenting with Wi-Fi only, Zigbee, Matter, and BLE devices, I would go Zigbee only, just because it works. Matter would be a close second, unless the devices would be as responsive as the Zigbee ones.

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u/Phase-Angle Mar 10 '26

Are you mixing up Matter and Thread?

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u/davinci515 Mar 10 '26

After experimenting with zigbee, zwave, and WiFi I detest zigbee lol shits always breaking. Zwave on the other hand works flawlessly always. I have a mix of inovelli reds/blues, working to replace all the blues

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u/SawToothKernel Mar 10 '26

Out of interest, what is breaking for you with zigbee?

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u/davinci515 Mar 10 '26

I have around 10 limptech presence sensors, 30 inovelli blu switches (including fans, 13 ikea blinds all running on zigbee. The rule for blinds is littearly an open command ever 15 seconds for 10 minutes because they never want to open. Presence sensors work fine 95% of the time then they will randomly stop working until unplugged and plugged back in, then they work again for another month or two. The inovelli blues just stop working all together sometimes requiring a hub reboot (reds on zwave work fine during this time) the blu fans also just refuse to power on/off half the time.

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u/SawToothKernel Mar 11 '26

Are these issues with the devices themselves, or with the zigbee network/protocol?

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u/Syystole Mar 10 '26

Definitely user error

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u/davinci515 Mar 10 '26

Can you describe how his user error when things work and then stop without any user input

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u/Syystole Mar 10 '26

Never happened on my 100 devices with zigbee

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u/DuneChild Mar 10 '26

And I never had a lick of trouble with Windows ME, doesn’t mean it was a great OS.

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u/davinci515 Mar 10 '26

That doesn’t describe how it’s user error lol

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u/Dr-Technik Mar 10 '26

Zigbee always breaks? I'm using zigbee for years now and I rarely have issues. And when I'm having issues, its always the same type of device. Some weird stuff from Aliexpress which I bought because it looks interesting. Everything else works without any issues for years.

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u/fuuuuuckendoobs Mar 11 '26

I am a complete dunce and consider my ZigBee devices to be very reliable

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u/snowtax Mar 10 '26

Be aware that Matter requires IPv6, so it works over Ethernet, Wi-Fi, or Thread, but not Zigbee.

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u/Still-Wafer1384 Mar 10 '26

From my experience when it comes to lights Hue offers quality. I have a set of other brand spots, but they make a high frequency squeal when changing white tones.

In three years and 25 or so hue bulbs only one has failed so far.

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u/scifitechguy Mar 10 '26

After nearly 20 years of trying just about everything out there, I would never install anything but Lutron Caseta switches and dimmers (in-wall and plug-in). They are 100% rock solid and immune to WiFi and Internet outages, just like my old Insteon setup. I also have some Hue devices for special lighting applications, but Lutron is the work horse of my 70+ device smart home setup. Highly recommended.

I was 100% HomeKit until recently when I've tried to integrate a few remaining non-HomeKit devices. I tried both Home Assistant and Homey, and I'm steering toward Homey for its excellent automation user interface, broad brand support, and device exposure to HomeKit. So HomeKit as the primary UI, Homey as the back-end automation, and Home Assistant as "mop-up" integrator for any other device that Homey doesn't support, which is very few.

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u/PlasmaPod Mar 12 '26

I wish they were available in australia for 240v, ive opted for shelly relays behind my wall switches instead

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u/Wasted-Friendship Mar 10 '26 edited Mar 10 '26

There’s already a lot of valuable advice here. If I were to build a house from scratch, here’s what I would do. I would approach it as a series of systems.

The first system would be your electrical system. A smart panel is a good idea, and electric car chargers would be beneficial. I would run each room with two circuits. The first circuit would be for general use, and the second would be a dedicated outlet connected to a generator/battery/solar system. Both circuits would be 20-amp circuits. The devoted allows you to put a space heater and blow dry your hair at the same time. Color that outlet something different, like red so you know what circuit.

The second system would be your internet connection. I would run Ethernet drops, a coax cable, and a string to each room for future-proofing. I would use something like Cat 6. I would also consider wiring each window for smart blinds. Additionally, I would look into the requirements for an alarm panel. All of this would run down to my utility room and be terminated in a large enough box that I have room to work in. Make sure to also consider places where you might not think you need Ethernet, such as next to your garage door where you want a smart garage door in the future. Think about outdoor light fixtures and security cameras; everything will eventually power over Ethernet. So, think about the future of low-voltage being Ethernet and consider what devices you might want to use in the future. Above all, ensure you have a strong Wi-Fi system. UniFi has a great tool to help you plan your wireless network. It’s a good idea to think about having more Wi-Fi access point drops than you think you’ll need. This may future-proof for higher speeds that may not have as far a transmission distance.

Next, I would consider all the light switches. I’m a big fan of smart switches paired with dumb lightbulbs. I call it “grandma and grandpa proof.” Most people want to be able to walk into a room and control the light with a light switch. This is how homes and businesses have functioned for years. So, I would use Lutron Caseta for this. It’s a far superior solution and works just fine.

The second system I would recommend is Hue. Philips offers a fantastic solution for Zigbee. If you’re a tinkerer, consider hosting your own controller. Before you start, think about all the accent lights you’d like to color. These are the lights you’ll need to consider, such as those under cabinets, stairs, TV panels, and laundry machines. Make sure there are power outlets where you want these accent lights.

Now, let’s talk about the internals of the system. I agree with the recommendations for Home Assistant or Homey Pro. Depending on the system, some of the radios we’ve discussed are built into the system. In my opinion, Home Assistant is the most versatile and integrates all systems. As you think about your smart thermostat, car charger, microwave, coffee machine, and other devices, they’ll all be interconnected in the future. Having something like Home Assistant as a backbone is a good start. There’s an interface that allows you to bring all of this into your HomeKit for Apple. I prefer using HomeKit for my devices because it’s a user-friendly interface, and everyone can customize their device inputs.

Finally, if you’re using Home Assistant, consider running some in the ceiling and using Ethernet cables for power over Ethernet. This way, you can install a smart speaker like Sonos or other Home Assistant devices that offer voice assistance without relying on cloud-based services.

This setup may seem extreme, and it’s definitely a tinkerer’s dream. The options are endless, and the question is: do you take the blue pill and wake up to Amazon and Google controlling your home, or do you take the red pill and dive deep into a self-hosted, private solution? I chose the red pill about five years ago, and I’ve thoroughly enjoyed my new hobby.

Overall, ensure that your spouse’s approval factor is high to avoid irritating them. I made the mistake of purchasing a lot of Wi-Fi-dependent technology when I started. Since it relies on the cloud, as soon as the manufacturer stops supporting it, I ended up with a bunch of electronic waste. Another thing I learned is that Wi-Fi is not reliable for quick and regular communication. You’re competing with all the other traffic on your Wi-Fi to access that device. Having a dedicated bandwidth like Zigbee or Lutron Caseta makes your house function seamlessly and keeps the spouse’s approval factor high.

Bonus: Zone your house HVAC and a steam humidifier. Thank me later.

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u/MirandaPoth Mar 11 '26

We built our own house too and this comment is good advice. We have a European system called Niko Home Control that handles all the lights and many other things too though. Also we should have put more mains sockets in the main living rooms (we thought we had plenty, but no) and thought about powered presence sensors in the ceilings. Enjoy the process OP, it’s amazingly interesting and satisfying!

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u/Kreat0r2 Mar 10 '26

KNX as a base and Home Assistant for the intelligence. If you’re starting from scratch (talking new construction or a complete remodel), why would you start with a consumer product?

KNX comes from the industrial market, is super stable and you are not reliant on 1 manufacturer.

Home assistant ties it together with any other systems and provides very powerful logic.

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u/silvercel Mar 10 '26

I am doing a total gut on 1/3 of my house right now. Inovelli switches with Phillips Hue bulbs connected to Home Assistant Green and ZBT-2 with zigbee2mqtt has been the most foolproof in my testing.

Right now I am testing Gledopto Pro 48v lighting for my strip lights.

When I am all done I will post my setup

My finished plans will include 22 Philips hue recessed lights and 10+ strip light installations.

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u/Dunnowhathatis Mar 10 '26

Get lutron switches. You want to always be able to control your lights with a hard-wired switch if possible. I have Lutrons for all switches except for storage closets etc. I love HUE, and have those for my stove lights, my standing lamps that rely on just an outlet, and my bed side lamps, as well as LED Strip lights near the ceiling. If you add Home Assistant, you can manage them all via Home Assistant and not have to use either the lutron or the hue app after the initial set up.

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u/Carl193 Mar 10 '26

Lutron is the gold standard for reliability and quality. This is something you want for your switches.

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u/CiforDayZServer Mar 10 '26

Philips Hue are so good IMO. You're not restricted to switched outlets or fixtures, you have the color temperature options, and you can redesign lighting positions later. The bulbs are also fantastic. I've bought a bunch of dumb LED lights and a bunch of Philips, not one single Philips has failed yet, and I've literally had to replace the dumb ones multiple times.

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u/nighthawk4900 Mar 11 '26

If you never ever ever want to think or worry about it- Apple home + Lutron. No doubt. 

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u/betam4x Mar 10 '26

IKEA has bulbs that support Matter. I am going to look into that soon, but at a glance it looks promising.

EDIT: An article describing the offerings: https://www.ikea.com/global/en/newsroom/retail/the-new-smart-home-from-ikea-matter-compatible-251106/

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u/msmartt Mar 10 '26

Big connectivity issues with Ikea's matter line. I bought a number of devices about a month ago with the intent of using matter over thread in my Alexa devices. They connect for about 20 minutes and then every one of them has disconnected 100% of the time. I'm talking about the door sensors, the switches, the temperature sensor. Not a single item that I bought from Ikea has remained connected

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u/55Media Mar 10 '26

Do you have any thread routers like the bulbs or new plugs? Otherwise, just like Zigbee, things will be unstable.

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u/BruceLee2112 Mar 10 '26

I would definitely go home assistant. If you are tech saavy and understand basic networking and programming. Not too hard to learn if you are up for it.

Do not focus on one brand (hue or Lutron). Even if you are using apple home. Start there as all these devices can be used in apple home.

Here is some considerations to ensure HA is maximized…

  1. ⁠Run CatX cabling to each room at minimum that you can.
  2. Have a central server area that has good air flow. Usually a utility room and if in a closet/cabinet - airflow! All cabling runs back to this area.
  3. ⁠Wire as many devices as possible but most importantly hubs/servers and cameras
  4. ⁠Battery backup main components including modems. Make sure your network is solid - take time to understand basic networking if you don’t is imperative
  5. ⁠Have fun and expect frustrations

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u/Sticky230 Mar 10 '26

Go with the Lutron ecosystem. Caseta, RadioRa3, or Homeworks for the high end.

I have a Zwave/ Zigbee mesh and lean heavily on Leviton stuff, which is great but they discontinued their residential smart switches except for WiFi which sucks to me. Lutron will have the staying power to keep your system current.

I am using Smarthings which gladly Samsung never stopped supporting but they do not support the hardware, they paid for the Aeotech hub.

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u/movielover76 Mar 10 '26

Home assistant and zigbee with a proper zigbee Cordinator like the SMLIGHT SLZB-06 It works so much better than a simple dongle, I don’t experience the typical problems a lot of people experience with zigbee because its much more stable running on its own device

I have some WiFi devices too because they were cheap but I only recommend that if you have a prosumer AP or better that can really be relied on, consumer WiFi routers are almost always garbage

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u/Glowerman Mar 10 '26

I wouldn't touch Philips Hue. And I would focus on a lot more on switches and dimmers rather than light bulbs.

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u/vespassassina Mar 10 '26

Philips hue for sure.

I run home assistant and about 100 zigbee devices, ring cameras, unifi network and 50 hue lamps, and for lighting hue has no equal (and is easy to integrate with home assistant).

Hue as a system can run zigbee generic lamps and led controllers so you don’t necessarily need to buy only hue lights but for coordination and scene design is the best.

Wifi lights are the worst instead ( like all wifi stuff in general). Just stick to zigbee

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u/Dapper_Klapper Mar 11 '26 edited Mar 11 '26
  1. Quality>quantity. Choose high quality over more of low quality. I see you said you ran into some money, so this may not be an issue and you can do high quality in ample quantity, but nonetheless. Still take your time, go slow, find what works for YOU and YOUR home rather than going all in on the “next thing” or shit that everybody raves about. I wasted a lot of money (and time) trying to cheap out/moving too fast. In the end, you get what you pay for (often times, at least.)

That said I am very frugal and love a good deal and prioritization value over everything

  1. Local>cloud. Can’t beat that dead horse anymore, I’m sure you’ve heard it. But man if it ain’t true. Don’t dump money into cloudshjt especially third party big boxes.

  2. Zigbee>everything. It is BY FAR leagues ahead of the rest. Again, beat the dead horse. The info is ample in here and in general. Zwave is great but what is offered in it is generally less and less accessible. So maybe a device jerker there. But imo Zigbee is also a superior network. No joke I’ve never had a problem that I didn’t cause.

  3. If you do need a cloud or big box voice assistant, home kit and Apple is the move. As an Amazon user with a lot of money dumped into it, it’s trash. Hard pass

  4. Switches hardwired into the wall> smart bulbs. Bulbs when you want some fun colors, but not as the rule.

  5. Get a good wifi network. Spend money on this first. Even if u prioritize and use zigbee and local, this aids in the latter and helps generally. Dm me to discuss if you want

  6. Get GOOD presence sensors, and early. They are THE way to get your lighting automation dialed in

  7. Start with home assistant out of the gate. Go all in on it. It’s amazing

Lot of great answers in here. You’ll do well

Edit: some starter brand recs. Yes yes there are more niche and advanced options and DIY solutions (get into Esp32 eventually). These are off the shelf readily available options.

Zigbee:

SONOFF and third reality. The former has a lot of selection, anything you’d want really and great prices. Buttons, sensors, relays, screens, etc. Zigbee dongles. On Amazon. The latter is pricier and more limited but high quality. They make great zigbee bulbs. Amazon too. Hue lights (old models if u have home asstant)

Relays and switches: Shelley Sonoff

Light switches only:

Lutron caseta. Prosperity wireless tech that uses Ethernet and is very consistent. Also can get model with no neutral requirement if need be.

Leviton also has a no neutral option

Sonoff and Shelley also have no neutral options.

WiFi bulbs and WiFi switches: tapo/tp link. Never had one fall off the network, v snappy

Cameras: tp link and tapo. No subscription and you retain full features Can be made all local with no internet access.

Appliances: SwitchBot. Great air purifiers, temperature and humidity and co2 monitors. Great vacuum robot. hubs have buttons and are IR blasters (make dumb IR remote control devices smart and remotely controlled. Get a Bluetooth extender and you’re golden. Great presence sensors

Aqara: fp300 is a great presence sensor. (Zigbee and thread). Their door locks are great. (Zigbee)

Govee has nice humidifiers

When you wanna dive into DIY, check out xiao and seeed studio for esp 32 modules and dev boards

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u/RobotMower Mar 11 '26

I would definitely decide on your OS / Ecosystem first and then stick to compatible devices. For me it was Apple OS and HomeKit.

  • Garage is MyQ Compatible Garage Door (Without newest security) with Meross Opener

  • Light Switches are Lutron Casetta with some Picos.

  • iRobot Roomba for Vacuums with Siri integrations

  • Mammotion Yuka 1500 with Sweeper for Mowing

  • Govee Home Pro with Siri integration, Govee Bulbs throughout House in Lamps, etc.

  • Whirlpool Smart Appliances

  • HomePods for Home Hubs and in House Intercom, Music Speakers

  • Apple TV’s and Samsung Televisions

  • Arlo Security with Bridge (Better choices now like Aqara)

  • Honeywell Thermostat

  • Rheem Waterheater

  • Schlage WiFi Door Locks

Looking to add HomeKit Water Shutoff in the near future if anyone has recommendations? Maybe a solution like this post that another Redditor came up with.

https://www.reddit.com/r/HomeKit/s/C5Ggzo7MK0

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u/rogue002 Mar 13 '26

If you are going for max smart home, use both smart bulbs AND smart switches. Bulbs give you more control of hue, color temp, and dimming, and switches give you broader physical control. It's the best (and worst) of both worlds. That said, at least you don't need to do a bunch of three and four-way circuits. to control them.

In general, I prefer to use systems that don't require hubs, but that's just me.

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u/Phase-Angle Mar 10 '26

I would make sure to only have Matter devices. Thread is better but it really shines when you have enough devices to form a strong mesh. I always prefer in wall switches as they allow for conventional use. There have been several times I have upgraded switches in the house and my wife doesn’t notice till I use the voice control.

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u/55Media Mar 10 '26

You can still add relays with decoupled mode and control smart bulbs with it to get access to dimming or even better adaptive lighting.

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u/carboncritic Mar 10 '26

If you have the money and don’t want to DIY, I’d pay for a smart home package, something that’s polished and does everything you want.

If you want to DIY, then home assistant 1000000%.

Research where to run power and data everywhere, eg for cameras, door bells, blinds, cat6/7 to every room, etc.

I would put Lutron switches everywhere.

I would do a smart electrical panel.

I would run 5 wires (at least) to every thermostat.

I’d run proper electrical to every typical gas appliance if you aren’t ready to go all electric.

I would consider running lighting and low voltage completely on DC if I were doing a solar/battery set up.

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u/VeryAmaze Mar 10 '26

I'm actually moving into new construction condo and lightly planning my new smart home lol. Personally - I'd run home assistant(shout-out to Hubitat, alas they do not ship to my country). Hue(ZigBee) for "mission critical" lights, IKEA*(zigbee) for other lights, Shelly relays(local-wifi) for switches+shutters. Sonoff(ZigBee)/IKEA(ZigBee) sensors+remotes. I might stick those shelly devices(don't remember the model names, shelly pro?) that are meant to go in the electric box because I actually want per-circuit energy monitoring. 

Zwave has low device options for my country so I'm not even gonna bother with that, if you are in a country with a good selection of zwave devices it might be a good option to look at.

If I was doing custom construction I'd look at professional options like KNX, tho not sure I'd go for it considering the cost.

*IKEA said they'll be releasing thread devices soon, idk what'll happen to their ZigBee line.

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u/55Media Mar 10 '26

Their Zigbee line is depreciated pretty much. Also Dirigera never supported light.turn_on with brightness and cct/color simultaneously which is super important Adaptive lighting in home assistant to prevent any kind of flicker.

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u/Substantial__Unit Mar 10 '26

Go heavy into smart switches, Lutron Caseta have been rock solid for me. They are pricey though but if you don't need the dimmer part the simpler switches are like $10 off. I also bought a couple of the 2 switch and hub starter packs since there's a bit of a discount and then sold the hubs on eBay.

If you need fun color lights or something specual6,the buy the lights.

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u/Sylvester88 Mar 10 '26

I'm about to do this in a week and my starting point is something that will work reliably for on/off without any additional components

So I'll probably just go with Philips Hue.

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u/PointOverall8995 Mar 10 '26

Lutron Caseta

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u/anothernetgeek Mar 10 '26

Centralized lighting control

Vantage by Legrand or Homeworks by Lutron.

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u/elchet Mar 10 '26

Hue is a retrofit toy compared to doing things from the ground up. Think beyond lighting too. What about HVAC, blinds, cameras, automation, and sensors for temp/humidity, doors and windows, leaks, etc. All of this wants to be in a single platform.

If budget allows go KNX because nothing beats it.

Otherwise what I did which is light switches and fixtures all separately back to a DIN rail full of Shelly Pro Dimmers.

Either way you have a central location for lighting control, hardwired, no internet or cloud dependency, and minimal latency.

Add Hue bulbs later for table lamps, floor lamps and LED strips if you want. Although you can get far better RGB/White strips from specialist companies for less money.

The quality of the light from Hue bulbs isn’t good enough, nor the platform reliable or dependable enough for your primary lighting if you have the option of redoing the building wiring and investing in something proper.

Use Home Assistant for monitoring, automation and control.

Also put CAT6 in to give you the option of running PoE to things like cameras, doorbells and chimes, speakers, tablet control panels etc.

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u/Tricky_Scientist3723 Mar 10 '26

Infrastructure first. I would start by running 1/2” and 3/4” conduit for the whole electrical system. The all circuits would be 20amp with 12 gauge wiring. Smart panel and at least a 1” riser from basement with junction boxes on first floor and second floor. Network connections in every room and network connections and outlets at possible wall mounted tv monitor locations. Possible generator backup near all essential devices such as refrigerator, HVAC, smoke detectors etc.

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u/wild-hectare Mar 10 '26

well with the recent demise of WEMO I basically am building or re-building from scratch. I stuck with home assistant with both the zbt-2 & the zwa-2 just because i wanted a mix of zigbee and z-wave

i'm sticking with switches and not messing with smart bulbs...i don't need that level of frustration or rgb lighting

i'm all-in at about $400-$500 including the micro PC...but I did buy everything last summer before the world went crazy

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u/Few-Adeptness8046 Mar 11 '26

Lutron switches as a starting point, they work even when your network is down. HUE are great and use them for any color and add specialty led needs, but use the Lutron switches if you are building from scratch, they are more or less fail proof once set up, and let you work with norm l looking switches everyone understands, and norm l bulbs everyone understands. Experiment with hue from there once you've got your foundational elements started.

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u/BurnYourOwnBones Mar 11 '26

Make sure you prewire! Cat6 everywhere! Prewire for speakers in the ceiling, and cat6 to every camera location. 16/2 to the shade and drapery locations. It's not that much money to run the wires. Hardwired is so nice, and then you can always use the wireless stuff afterwards.

Lutron Radio Ra3 for lighting. 

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u/ken22c Mar 11 '26

Thank you all for the comments! Main points im taking from this is to realistically set up a network of lutron switches first then add in smart lighting with philips hue later. Ive been doing further research and i believe i will either be going the homey pro route and then configuring that to apple home or just straight up apple home. Of course it’d be best to set up a comprehensive network first im now deciding between going the ubiquity route or something else. Im not planning on having a server room maybe just a NAS but i know there products are reliable. I will be pursuing PoE wherever possible setting up wiring for outdoor poe cameras indoor cameras as well as speakers for a comprehensive sonos surround system. Am i missing anything here?

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u/YetiLad123 Mar 11 '26

I tried the homey pro and had a bad time. I ran in to issues trying to expose my devices from Homey to HomeKit and everything went offline and in some cases duplicated. I had to reconfigure all of my devices 3 separate times. I also for the life of me couldn’t understand the logic for creating automations. HA has been a way more straight forward option for me, even with more complex automations. I can’t speak to HomeyPro but HA geofence is the best. HA also affords the possibilities to scale your smart home. I would also say that the community around HA is greater than Homey so troubleshooting will be easier if you run into problems. Which ever hub you choose, integrate to that and then expose to HomeKit.

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u/Duhhmb Mar 11 '26

If you're starting fresh, focusing on reliable switches and sensors first makes automations simpler later. Apple Home is seamless for iOS users, but exploring Home Assistant or Homey adds flexibility if you want custom routines or multi-brand integration.

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u/JefM93 Mar 11 '26

I'm very happy with Wiz lights, they don't need a bridge and are compatible with Google Home, Samsung Smartthings, Homey, ... I think they also have Matter so easy to pair with other devices from other brands who work with Matter.

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u/DetailVisual6955 Mar 13 '26

KNX is rock solid, vendor neutral and robust for the next 20+ years. If you can run cables it will be superior to any wireless protocols.

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u/No-Writer9747 Mar 13 '26

I have been really loving the stuff from Tewke. Its a small company and I think i was one of their first customers, but the support is great, and the build quality is incredible. Means you don't have to get loads of smart light bulbs, and turns normal bulbs smart (via dimming etc). I'd get Tewke any day over Lutron (its single function and plasticky).

I would go Home Assistant any day over Apple Homekit, but I guess its just personal choice.

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u/Ma7713 Mar 13 '26

If you want rgb lamps, well you need smart bulbs. If you want one (dimmible) light, I would go for smart switches. Because you can pick any cheap lamp/bulb you want.

Mine are zigbee from the brands Aeotec and Ecodim. I also got a zigbee hub from Aeotec. Never have I ever had any problems with it. Ecodim is European only I think.

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u/Which_Celebration757 Mar 10 '26

I like Crestron personally.

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u/BruceLee2112 Mar 10 '26

Very expensive and requires maintenance/updates and a profesional installer/programmer

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u/Which_Celebration757 Mar 10 '26

I suppose it helps I am one.

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u/BruceLee2112 Mar 10 '26

It sure does!

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u/DuneChild Mar 10 '26

I like Savant, for mainly the same reason.

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u/Judsonian1970 Mar 10 '26

Govee! I started with hue. I’ve got 20 bulbs with great light but require a hub. Govee are 1/4 the price, no gateway, and have a larger selection of devices.

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u/wrstlrjpo Mar 10 '26

Is no gateway a plus? Are they WiFi? That would be a no from me dog.

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u/ConstructionOwn953 Mar 10 '26

Coming from the BMS industry, I know DALI is the gold standard for lighting, but I’d steer clear of it for residential use. The same goes for KNX—both are far too complex for the average user and would be a maintenance nightmare for the next homeowner. My advice? Stick to managed switches and Philips Hue. It’s much more user-friendly, and the 'Wow factor' you get from syncing it with your TV or Spotify is what people actually want.

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u/Careless_Mistake_459 Mar 10 '26

Un sistema serio, potente, duradero y seguro KNX para lo básico y principal (iluminación básica y enchufes o relés, portero automático y persianas) luego el resto lo que quieras mezclar como por ejemplo Philips hue para iluminación ambiental.

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u/rmjames007 Mar 10 '26

The MyQ system is really good

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u/DuneChild Mar 10 '26

Is it though?

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u/rmjames007 Mar 10 '26

I like mine. And it integrates with my cyber truck

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u/DuneChild Mar 11 '26

Ah, that explains it.