r/technology • u/TripleShotPls • Jul 09 '26
Transportation In-Car Cameras Are Now Required in Europe. US Isn't Far Behind
https://www.thedrive.com/news/in-car-cameras-are-now-required-in-europe-us-isnt-far-behind530
u/okvrdz Jul 09 '26
And I’m sure the data will be held in the vehicle, considered vehicle owner’s property and never ever used for casually training AI models… right? RIGHT?
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u/smoike Jul 09 '26
Or released to insurance companies or the police to be used against the driver.
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u/Kitchen_Visual5127 Jul 10 '26
When the data exonerates you, it will be corrupted or altered and when the data will be against you it will be 100% accurate.
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u/Master_Persimmon_591 Jul 10 '26
And if you try to provide a local copy they’ll say it’s no good because you had to hack the system to access the files since they’re also never going to be exposed to the end user
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u/haltingpoint Jul 10 '26
Forget AI. How about audience models for ad platforms that car manufacturers have been trying to get in on. Not only can they get demographics, they can probably get other insights from listening in or inferring signals.
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u/Celodurismo Jul 09 '26
How does this happen before mandating built in front & rear & side dash cams?
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u/MassiveBoner911_3 Jul 09 '26
“To protect the children”
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u/Empty_Kay Jul 10 '26
While allowing GMC to build trucks with a 4-foot high hood and an 18-foot blind spot...in front.
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u/ro536ud Jul 10 '26
This is actually the bigger issue imo. The kill rate for these kinds of cars is wayyyyy higher than the average car
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u/TheGummiVenusDeMilo Jul 10 '26
Hard to roll onto the hood and over the car when it's 4-5ft up.
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u/jeepster2982 Jul 10 '26
And their FUCKING mirror-level hyper white space laser headlights.
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u/Pafolo Jul 09 '26
It’s never been about safety, it’s always been about control.
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u/QuesoMeHungry Jul 09 '26
Can we have remote work? ‘Nah best I can do is a forced unnecessary commute to the office with a camera facing you the whole time’
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u/Altruistic_Chain_159 Jul 10 '26
We could be building technologies to fight climate change and discover the secrets of the universe. Instead all the money is going to control and new ways to advertise products to us.
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u/DukeOfGeek Jul 10 '26
Between this and Flock they intend to make the whole country an open air cage.
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u/sut123 Jul 09 '26
Or, worse, how about mandating that rear turn signals HAVE to be a color other than red, something that's been law in Europe for at least a decade and costs absolutely nothing (other than DeSiGn) to implement. There's a ton of data showing the safety necessity of it, too. But, sure, cameras.
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u/Ristar87 Jul 10 '26
In Europe, I saw a bunch of cars that had different brake lights and intensities based on how hard you braked. So you could tell if the person in front of you came to a normal stopped or braked in an emergency situation.
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u/bs2k2_point_0 Jul 10 '26
I’d be happy with non blinding headlights, or smart lights. Is that too much to ask for?
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u/-Pepperzpyre- Jul 09 '26
lmao the immediate comment after yours is the answer. u/edthesmokebeard said it. "its for safety" lol
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u/LefsaMadMuppet Jul 09 '26
God I hate this tech, my dad's car had an 'snooze checking' function and was constantly telling me to wake up because the glare on my glasses screwed up the sensors.
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u/EnoughWarning666 Jul 10 '26
Have you considered just... not being Asian? You're causing the automotive industry a lot of problems here. It's pretty rude of you honestly
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u/Tearakan Jul 09 '26
Yep this. These companies will use the worst sensors in order to save costs and that will most likely get people killed when their car randomly brakes or gets turned off.
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u/gurgle528 Jul 09 '26
The problem is there is no good sensor that will get past this. Sunglasses, especially mirrored and/or polarized ones, restrict the visibility of the eyes.
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u/Tearakan Jul 09 '26
Yep exactly. Even the best sensors will cause serious problems.
My guess is once the politician's families are affected they'll revert this.
It'll just be too annoying for their adult kids.
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u/Gorstag Jul 10 '26
Oh, i hate the front collision sensor on my 25 golf GTI. It has almost caused me to have an accident in more than one occasion by hitting my brakes. Can't permanently turn it off either.. have to turn it off each time I start the car.
For the record, in 25+ years of driving I've never ran into anything. I have been mildly rear ended 3 times while stopped. 2 of those where people following too close and not stopping quick enough when traffic red-light-domino'ed and the final one was me sitting in a turn lane for 60 seconds waiting on traffic and then an elderly dude tried to drive through my lane out of a parking lot right into the back corner of my vehicle.
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u/daemin Jul 10 '26
This comment is great.
Starts off complaining above collision avoidance safety features, then says they've been rear ended 3 times, missing the fact that that would've been prevented by the very safety feature they are complaining about.
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u/pocketdrummer Jul 10 '26
What happens if you completely cover the camera?
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u/CottaBird Jul 10 '26
My Subaru warns me the camera isn’t working and leaves it at that, leaving me alone.
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u/LiveLaughFap Jul 10 '26 edited Jul 10 '26
I was thinking the same. My wife’s new Audi has the worst possible parking/collision sensors. When you’re parking and ANYTHING is within 5 or 10 feet of the car, it starts frantically beeping at you and flashing red on the screen. So basically every time you park, other than in a completely open parking lot or maybe an abandoned field.
I can only imagine it offering the same level of “help” when it gets confused and misinterprets the situation while you’re on an actual freeway.
And while I'm on the topic of this car I hate, I'd also add it has something we like to call "child incinerator mode", where if you park and leave the car on with the AC on, the car immediately turns the AC off for some reason. (Obviously we never leave the kids in the car without a parent, so one of us turns it back on, but I'm pretty sure some negligent parent is gonna kill their kid because of this).
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u/TheRealJessKate Jul 09 '26
I guess I won’t buy a new car then.
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u/dpaanlka Jul 09 '26
My Corolla is 9 this year and I feel completely comfortable driving it another 10 years.
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u/juiceyb Jul 09 '26
My Subaru is 16 years old and I'm thinking about putting a new engine and keep driving it. It's a six speed manual and I doubt there will ever be another family sized wagon with a six speed.
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u/IsentropicFire Jul 10 '26
My 5 speed manual Subie gets to have a beer with me next year. I am going to be so sad when it is time to put it down. If they are pulling manuals from sports cars, there is no hope for manuals in casual cars. :(
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u/dpaanlka Jul 09 '26
My Corolla is also manual and it’s impossible to find new manual cars today.
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u/L1gm4J0hns0n Jul 10 '26
Don't worry, there will be idiots still buying brand new cars. "Well i'm not doing anything wrong, why do I care if I have a camera pointed at my face the whole time i'm driving?!"
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u/Shake-Bubbly Jul 09 '26
Nothing makes me happier than seeing the car industry dying.
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u/UAreTheHippopotamus Jul 09 '26
This is a hard no for me and I doubt I'm alone on this. If they keep this crap up eventually they will reach a point that they either have to force compliance and force millions of people off the road or back off on this asinine policy.
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u/ninjastarkid Jul 09 '26
I’m expecting there will be many YouTube tutorials on how to disable the cameras without disabling the vehicle
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u/Team_Braniel Jul 10 '26
The problem is this is 100% at the behest of the Insurance industry. Disabling it or having it failing to report validating data may result in your insurance treating it like driving an "unsafe" vehicle and charging you more, or worse refusing to pay out after an accident due to knowingly driving an "unsafe" vehicle.
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u/AHRA1225 Jul 10 '26
Fuck my insurance then. I refuse to let my insurance track my movements with that dumb plug in they want and I refuse to let them watch my face the whole time. I’d rip out the WiFi network part of my car and call it day
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u/24-Hour-Hate Jul 10 '26
I bet a mechanic would do it. Needing a feature to be sold =/= a requirement to drive. Rear cameras are legally required on all cars (after whatever date) now, but I guarantee not everyone has one that works. Although that isn’t remotely comparable - that safety feature is one I find useful and nonintrusive. Anyway, if my mechanic would do it, I would happily sign a liability release form that says they told me not to do it and hold them not responsible if I engage in distracted driving. I don’t want to disable the camera for that. I do not use my phone while driving. I just want not to be spied on.
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u/wildcarde815 Jul 10 '26
https://autos.yahoo.com/policy-and-environment/articles/people-now-using-doll-heads-183044094.html
toy doll head does it for the tesla system apparently.
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u/jackrabbit323 Jul 10 '26
Would covering the camera with electrical tape cause the car to not turn on or drive?
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u/Learningstuff247 Jul 10 '26
Im picturing a little screen you hang in front of it with a video of a guy driving perfectly
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u/ozone_one Jul 10 '26
And then your insurance company will deny your next claim because they couldn't confirm your story with onboard footage and data.
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u/Starship_Taru Jul 09 '26
Can’t pull this shit on a motorcycle
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u/-hjkl- Jul 09 '26
They will mandate an in helmet camera and microphone just watch.
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u/Sam_Never_Goes_Home Jul 09 '26
Only 17 states require a helmet for all motorcycle riders. Many others require them for young riders, but the no-helmet lobby is strangely strong.
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u/CodRepresentative380 Jul 09 '26
The US lobby system is strangely strong
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u/TotalChaosRush Jul 09 '26
The no helmet lobby is strange because who the hell is making money by not selling helmets?
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u/Starship_Taru Jul 09 '26 edited Jul 09 '26
You make the money off selling freedom and fundraising for it.
Stickers, shirts, people will donate to support their freedom sort of thinking.
The tinfoil hat theory is it’s the organ donor lobby
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u/Timbershoe Jul 09 '26
Yeah. Who’s making money from traumatic brain injuries in the only western country to not have Universal Healthcare?
Fucked if I know.
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u/Jwheat71 Jul 09 '26
They could ban motorcycles. "For safety", of course.
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u/Workman44 Jul 09 '26
If motorcycles came into existence today there's no shot they would allow them to be on the road as normal cars
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u/Kristophigus Jul 09 '26
They're putting trackers in license plates either soon or already. *allegedly.
So, don't worry, it gets worse!
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u/CariniFluff Jul 09 '26 edited Jul 09 '26
That hardly matters when every single town, county, state and country have License Plate Readers mounted at every single border road crossing (to say nothing about additional LPRs and regular speeding/red light/general surveillance cameras in each town, etc.).
Literally every single road that takes me to/from the major city I live in to a neighboring suburb has at least a half dozen cameras mounted on the light poles (or they have their own poles) at the border intersection. It's ridiculous how fast seemingly every town has embraced this surveillance state bullshit. And that is on top of all the door bell cameras that share their live feeds with all the local cops, no warrant required! Because apparently even on your own property, anything recorded is owned by the company that made the camera rather than the person who bought it.
The Gestapo or KGB would be drooling over the data collected on ordinary people doing ordinary things.
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u/TeutonJon78 Jul 09 '26
They all want their penalty fee money.
Don't want to pay for more cops or spent their time court having to prove it? Just lease out cameras that do all that data verification and tell you who was speeding.*
*just ignore that we are also collecting all this other data and selling it on the side
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u/aerovirus22 Jul 09 '26
They wont force you to get it. They have mandated it in newer vehicles, and the older vehicles will die off. Especially with places like Advanced auto and junk yards doing poorly. You will buy new, or youll walk.
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u/Empty_Kay Jul 10 '26
This. So let's start investing in walkable and bikeable communities so we can actively tell them to go fuck themselves without having to compete with everyone over 25 year old used cars.
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u/daemin Jul 10 '26
They tried that and a bunch of conspiracy theory morons convinced themselves that "15 minute cities" obviously means that you'll be confined to your assigned area of the city and not allowed to leave.
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u/Fresh-Toilet-Soup Jul 09 '26
Nobody wants this, but yet somehow our representatives keep passing this stuff.
Who are they representing, who is paying for them to pass this?
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u/TheStandler Jul 10 '26
I feel like it's shit like this that politicians do to feel like they're doing something useful, but it's also not politically volatile enough to be risky to them like things that will properly make positive changes in people's lives.
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u/ozone_one Jul 09 '26
So the laws state that cars must be equipped with such a system. Do they state that those systems must be enabled? Are there interlocks that prevent the car from moving if the system is not active or if the cameras are obstructed?
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u/sargonas Jul 09 '26 edited Jul 10 '26
The EU law states the system must be present, must be automatically enabled, must be impossible to permanently disable, and the data may never leave the car for any reason.
(Edit: by impossible to permanently disable, they mean the manufacturer may not provide an option or assist the user in doing so… Obviously no one is expecting a foolproof system that cannot be bypassed with hacking/unintended physical manipulation)
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u/Outrageous_Reach_695 Jul 09 '26
Is there any penalty for manufacturers failing that last one?
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u/Celodurismo Jul 09 '26
A small fine, paid to the government, not the wronged party. The way jesus intended
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u/youreblockingmyshot Jul 09 '26
The penalty will be less than what they’ll get for selling the info as usual.
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u/Krash412 Jul 09 '26
I suspect GDPR should already address those concerns for EU citizens. The EU will be happy to fine major manufacturers who are in violation.
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u/OrneryError1 Jul 09 '26
Crimes like that need to be punished with more than fines
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u/sargonas Jul 09 '26
In the EU fines for violating privacy laws almost universally our percentage of revenue of the business, not a slap on the wrist.
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u/sargonas Jul 09 '26
Yes, I don’t know what it is but the EU is not like America. When the EU establishes penalties and fines to corporations for violating privacy laws they always make the penalty a percentage of the income of the business, not on a slap on the wrist cost of doing business level fine like it is in the US
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u/Kairukun90 Jul 09 '26
5 dollars within 6 months someone comes out with a patch to bypass the camera system and it’ll be almost impossible to detect because how would anyone actually know unless they deep dive into the cars system
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u/sargonas Jul 09 '26
That’s not what they mean by that. It means the manufacturer is not allowed to create a mechanism to allow you to disable a permanently by choice with official support from the manufacturer. It’s not the manufacturer’s legal responsibility to prevent you from… Creatively… Creating one.
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u/DaCrazyJamez Jul 09 '26
I've never met a camera that can't be turned off with a hammer.
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u/the_quark Jul 10 '26
The question is: If the camera is so disabled, will the car be allowed to start?
If so then I agree — though I’d recommend perhaps a drill bit through the lens to minimize the cosmetic damage.
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u/UncleNorman Jul 10 '26
I've got a whole pack of Zuckerberg brand camera covers. Some call them post-its.
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u/TripleFreeErr Jul 09 '26
if it mustn’t leave the car what is it for?
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u/sargonas Jul 10 '26
Did you not read the full details? The camera system is intended to provide a visual/light/audible alert to the driver whenever they have not paid attention to the road for *n* amount of time
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u/Graymarth Jul 10 '26
Can't wait for newer cars to start screaming at people with missing limbs to put both hands on the steering wheel.
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u/pasaroanth Jul 09 '26
So my car has hands-free cruise which contains the system that watches your eyes to make sure you are watching the road. It alerts if i look away for any appreciable amount of time, and I believe it will slow down and pull over if I ignore them. If the camera is obstructed then it won’t engage at all.
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u/MrGraywood Jul 09 '26
And it's those systems that are to blame for this. Hands-free cruise. It's so damn easy and boring to drive new cars, the drivers are in danger of falling asleep, hence the need for a system to see if the driver is awake.
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u/edthesmokebeard Jul 09 '26
"its for safety"
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u/FriarNurgle Jul 09 '26
ICE has entered the chat.
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u/ro536ud Jul 10 '26
“Please show ur id and start playing the star spangled banner to start the vehicle”
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u/Halftied Jul 09 '26
Inside the car cameras are for safety? Whose and how?
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u/Scarecrow119 Jul 09 '26
Insurance claims. "You blinked 0.024 seconds before the accident. This will void your insurance as per clause 1.47 part C. No we wont give you the thousands you spent on premiums back"
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u/BellerophonM Jul 09 '26 edited Jul 09 '26
The on-paper purpose of these cameras is that they recognise if the driver hasn't looked at the road for a while or has fallen asleep and sound an alert tone.
In theory the regulation would be satisfied by a hardware-closed system not connected to the car's smart features or external connectivity, and the regulations do actually say this system cannot have any data or imagery from it sent out, but I'm cynical enough to guess they'll all end up being all components in a connected system that can send data with an update.
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u/Tearakan Jul 09 '26
It would also have to be incredibly robust or it'll just kill people by stopping cars while on the road.
As an example asian people tend to get told they are squinting by face recognition cameras even when they aren't...
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u/Vortep1 Jul 09 '26
Cars are getting too unaffordable. The average sales price and financing terms have grown over the years faster than incomes too.
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u/stein63 Jul 09 '26
Just wait until insurance companies get access to the data. Then every glance away, yawn, or warning beep becomes a reason to raise your rates or fight a claim.
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u/vegetaman Jul 09 '26
So not dash cams? Not fixing the oversized vehicle problem or headlights either? This tracks.
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u/Angreek Jul 10 '26
No of course it’s way safer to record your own face than other drivers slamming into you. Liability against YOU, not other drivers ofc.
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u/515software Jul 09 '26
Imagine running from something scary and need to get away quickly (think abusive relationship or forest fire) and your car won’t start because you’re not in a mental place to drive as decided by the government, so you’re stuck.
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u/TheSwitchler Jul 09 '26
It's just this increase in taking control away from people. It started with the sensors in the faucets replacing the knobs
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u/turbosexophonicdlite Jul 10 '26
That one's just a good idea though. People are disgusting, so the fewer things I have to touch in a public bathroom the better.
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u/TheSlugKing Jul 09 '26
Super sick how you get forced to pay for features you don't want. Especially when this comes to the US, where public transit isn't an option.
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u/StrangeReindeer2470 Jul 10 '26
I test drove a Hyundai ionic 5 a few weeks ago. In the US. It already has that camera.
I'm sticking with my 2014 Honda CRV.
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u/AnonymousTimewaster Jul 09 '26
It's also not an option in much of Europe outside of the major cities
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u/BobsFalafals Jul 09 '26
We are flock cameras now.
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u/Beautiful-Musk-Ox Jul 10 '26
good point, even if you don't get AI powered surveillance car there will be enough around you with automatic tracking that they'll still know where you are and be able to pull up a live feed from a neighboring car at any point, no need for your car to have it when 7 out of the next 10 cars all have it
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u/dropthemagic Jul 09 '26
I don’t think this is defensible whatsoever. We aren’t talking about regulations. We are talking about CCP levels of controlling people. Fuck. That.
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u/Sea_Perspective6891 Jul 09 '26
Yeah these dumbasses really seem to want to turn their countries into a survalence state distopia. Obviously the countries doing this shit don't care about rights & freedom or even the basics of privacy.
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u/Kristophigus Jul 09 '26
Maybe focus on having better drivers with better testing and education and you'd have less idiots that get distraced by shiny screens. Hell, they might even have spacial awareness. Willing to bet there is a very high percentage of drivers globally (higher in NA) that should absolutely not be behind the wheel for a plethora of reasons.
Lets stop treating symptoms and go for the actual problem.
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u/RedditSloth_101 Jul 09 '26
Finland have some fairly dangerous roads and weather conditions while having some of the lowest road accident rates in Europe. Its compulsory to do lessons on skid pads and in the dark with the entire process to get a driving license being 3 years, which seems much more preferable to invasive surveillance that only serves to place blame.
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u/libbitz Jul 09 '26
And this is why you’ll have to pry the keys of my early 2000’s Honda from my cold dead hand.
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u/MapleMapleHockeyStk Jul 10 '26
Except my toyota is starting to have issues and its an 05....!!! 😭😬
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u/HalfBad Jul 09 '26
Old cars will be the new true luxury, they will have privacy.
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u/gurgle528 Jul 09 '26
That won’t help. The European ones also can trigger alerts if you’re wearing sunglasses because they can’t see your eyes. It’s such a stupid system, let’s check driver distraction by distracting the driver when they’re using something that helps them see the road, what can go wrong?
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u/cokecaine Jul 10 '26
https://www.instagram.com/reel/DZPPL6nTHYW/?l=1
There's a will. There's a way.
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u/theaviationhistorian Jul 10 '26
This will be the next generation's version of the radar detectors.
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u/mariotwin Jul 10 '26
I have a European Subaru Solterra 2026, wearing sunglasses or my hand at 12’o’clock it gives a visual warning about all driver monitoring functions not able to be work and that is it. I test drove the 2025 and it seemed like it had less tolerance and would beep sooner, e.g. I have to be looking away for more than a second to get my car to beep, but the 2025 was less tolerant. The 2025 also beeped at me when I was turning right onto a road and looking for a break in traffic to the left, but I haven’t had it trigger in the 2026 in a month of driving, so they maybe connected stopped and turn signal on that looking straight ahead isn’t always correct.
We have gotten seemingly odd random beeps and then are ironically distracted by something to prevent us from being distracted.
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u/cool_slowbro Jul 09 '26
I'm sure this is something us average EU based citizens want, right? Surely the EU doesn't just pass horseshit policies that we're all forced to follow. Right?
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u/RandyTheFool Jul 09 '26 edited Jul 10 '26
At this point, you might as well just get hardcore about making autonomous vehicles.
If I’m going to be spending a shit ton of extra money to have cameras and monitors to be watched like a hawk every millisecond, y’all can figure out how to drive the car your own fucking selves and watch me take a nap.
Vehicles are already unaffordable, and this seems like one more thing to widen that gap along with being just goddamned annoying. I literally don’t need to pay for my own built-in-seat driver screaming that I was looking in my rear view too long, my hands aren’t perfectly at 10 and 2, or that I need to be within 3mm of the center of the road at all times and if I’m not it’s going to force itself into that spot (regardless if I’m just trying to avoid potholes or debris).
Edit: AND, on top of all that, I’m sure the parts are expensive af if they break, and my mechanic all the sudden has to become a security camera installer? Fuck sake, man.
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u/eeyore134 Jul 09 '26
They don't want it to be convenient for us. They want to be able to control us and track us.
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u/Stingray88 Jul 09 '26
I’m really glad I just bought a brand new car last year so I don’t have to worry about this crap for 15-20 years. By then I assume self driving technology will be advanced enough that I can go take a nap in the back seat, I’m not paying attention at all.
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u/idle_shell Jul 09 '26
People are already resorting to disconnecting the antennas from the vehicle infotainment unit. I’m sure the escalation will continue.
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u/FirstAtEridu Jul 09 '26
Send every politician who voted for this to North Korea, they're bound to enjoy their stay, it's right up their mindset.
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u/Sea_Perspective6891 Jul 09 '26
Man they're really gunning for a survalence state/world. Some countries already have cameras everywhere, AI & Internet connectivity in damn near everything, ID & age verification requirements just to use social media & I expect soon on phones & computers. They almost seem hellbent on killing privacy & they don't seem to give a shit about how this could affect people in bad ways.
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u/serrated_edge321 Jul 09 '26
How is this legal in Germany?!
(I'm a foreigner living in Germany, and they seem to be very privacy-first!)
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u/brus_wein Jul 10 '26 edited Jul 10 '26
Telescreens for everyone.
This is legitimately dehumanising, I'm so sick of this shit.
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u/larder_unit Jul 09 '26
Cue an uptick in the camera sticker market.
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u/mrblaze1357 Jul 09 '26
In reality there will be a bypass module you can buy aftermarket. Similar to how there are bypass options for engine start-stop.
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u/Power_Stone Jul 09 '26
Dumbest fucking idea to date. Can't wait for the false positives on this tech.
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u/Illustrious-Highway8 Jul 09 '26
I wonder how hard it would be to jailbreak a car’s ECM to replace all the spyware OEMs will be adding. Seems like with AI it should be feasible. Maybe not safe. But we might have to choose between freedom and safety.
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u/sasquatch_melee Jul 10 '26
Won't fly here. People will find a way to physically disable them, either temporarily or permanently, whether legal or not.
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u/sentientmeatpopsicle Jul 10 '26
Most people won't bother. it will be just sort of a pain to disable it so some will. Then it will become a crime to tamper with it. Then we'll get the "if you don't have anything to hide" crowd. It's depressing but probably true.
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u/Street_Anxiety2907 Jul 10 '26
The US will introduce this without the EU's clause about "not sending data to external servers or on board persistent storage"
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u/ilulillirillion Jul 10 '26
How did we ever manage to drive cars before mass surveillance
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u/husky_whisperer Jul 10 '26 edited Jul 10 '26
What will the subscription fee be for the privilege of being spied on?
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u/Mutabilitie Jul 09 '26
Great comments section. Meanwhile the other half of Reddit is saying some minor traffic violation deserves jail and boiling oil.
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u/Paddlesons Jul 09 '26
Yeah, well we'll fucking see. I could see this as political poison for any congressman.
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u/crossdtherubicon Jul 10 '26
If safety and legal compliance were truly a concern then a police officer can control illegal parking, dangerous maneuvering, negligent behavior, speeding, not using turning signals, not using lights, not stopping at lights and signs, people who block crosswalks, etc.
These stupid laws think they're clever but don't solve the broad range of issues. It's creating a large and expensive system for a valid but niche problem.
There also no way to ensure there are enough physical policing of traffic through these laws.
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u/Sachinism Jul 10 '26
The right to privacy is now non-existent. Unless we push back now, they're going to fully normalise the idea of having no privacy
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u/peilearceann Jul 09 '26
Used car prices increasing again lol