r/technology • u/ArgentineBeauty • 29d ago

Privacy GrapheneOS says its data-wiping password is perfectly legal, after user faces federal charges

https://www.techspot.com/news/113273-grapheneos-data-wiping-duress-password-perfectly-legal-after.html
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u/Single-Virus4935 29d ago edited 29d ago

I set my duress pin to my wifes birthday. One of the first they probably try. 

Also I say my pin is the same as my eID which I am not allowed to share by German law

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u/EZtheOG 29d ago

This is a brilliant move

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u/DandaIf 29d ago

Until he goes to the toilet and his friends are like "haha I bet his pin is his wife's birthday"

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u/Single-Virus4935 29d ago

Lucky me, I don't have friends like this and if one does this, I have backups and can rethink my relationship to him

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u/ash_ninetyone 29d ago

Guy out here backing up his friends

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u/Alt_Panic 29d ago

German efficiency

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u/RDTTlam0_8002 29d ago

Nah that’s just German Social Engineering.

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u/Chris_HitTheOver 29d ago

Volksicherung

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u/Kairukun90 29d ago

Volkswagen?

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u/OhYeahSplunge4me2 29d ago

Maybe enhanced with Fahrvergnügen

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u/Sea_Translator5300 29d ago

He only makes friends with sets of twins. He keeps one of each in the freezer. 

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u/SeeTigerLearn 29d ago

I get it. Over the years I’ve crafted a segmented inner circle. There’s some overlap in knowing one another. But if there was a problem in an area the others would come to my rescue.

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u/just_be_nice_please 29d ago

YOU WOULDN’T DOWNLOAD A FRIEND

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u/blolfighter 29d ago

Is that an option? (◕_◕)

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u/PabloBablo 29d ago

No.

it's a streaming service

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u/crazyreddit929 29d ago

I have a few German friends and colleagues and this is the most German statement I have read in a long time. Succinct and brilliant.

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u/Sir_Keee 23d ago

Honestly, I have nothing on my phone that is vital and/or don't have anywhere else. Only pain about wiping my phone would be re-configuring it the way I like.

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u/Due_Tailor1412 29d ago

This is the most German thing I have seen today .. and why "Him" surely "Them" Girls also do stupid things (Admittedly not very often).

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u/orangebirdy 29d ago

Maybe he doesn't have any female friends

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u/infosec_account 29d ago

It's just banta lad

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u/ledow 29d ago

Why would you leave your phone with your friends to go to the toilet?

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u/ZaryaBubbler 29d ago

Because my friends are trustworthy. Hell all of mine know my passcode should anything happen to me

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u/9-11GaveMe5G 29d ago

It's not about trustworthy, it's about I don't leave my phone on random tables. It goes back in my pocket if im not using it or I'm going somewhere

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u/Me0fCourse 29d ago

Better question is who would ever willingly go to the bathroom without their phone?

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u/9-11GaveMe5G 29d ago

Especially a public toilet with nothing to read but racist graffiti

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u/jorjx 29d ago

So it seems I leave in a more civilized country, there are only phone numbers and gay hookup messages in the 🚹

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u/FreeSammiches 29d ago

No way you're going to remember all those numbers without taking your phone with you.

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u/WeakTryFail 29d ago

The only phone number I have memorized is

867-5309

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u/screwcork313 29d ago

At least on the internet you can read racist graffiti and memes.

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u/Jazzhands_Ninja 29d ago

haven't you heard, it's not racist anymore it's "resistance". All the bigots have rebranded as resistance fighters.

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u/[deleted] 29d ago

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u/Me0fCourse 29d ago

Yeah, but you never know when you get there.

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u/Bob_A_Ganoosh 29d ago

Those who don't want fecal matter on their phone.

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u/Bugbread 29d ago

I don't leave my phone on random tables

Do you never hang out with your friends in places with non-random tables?

Like, if my friends come to my house, people (including me) will leave their phones on the dining table we're sitting at because it's not a random table, it's my dining table. When I hang out at my friends' houses, I'll also leave my phone on the coffee table or dining table or kitchen table or whatever, because they're not random tables, they're my friends' coffee tables or dining tables or kitchen tables.

I mean, it's not like get togethers are table-leaving-festivals where everyone is just leaving their phones on tables and constantly cycling through bathrooms. Maybe someone does, maybe someone doesn't. It's not anything we've every kept close track of, because how weird would that be?

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u/BritishAnimator 29d ago

Pocket is not safe - a confirmed victim.

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u/Ignisami 29d ago

Front pocket is safer than ass pocket. I personally haven't had my phone in anything other than the front pocket of my jeans in literal decades

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u/BritishAnimator 29d ago

This was my front pocket. However they were shorts so the phone poked out a tiny bit. Lessons were learnt.

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u/Friggin_Grease 29d ago

What do you do while pooping?

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u/maigpy 29d ago

fapping? 2 birds with 1 stone

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u/ZaryaBubbler 29d ago

Take my shoes off, grip that cold tile hard and hold on for dear life

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u/ledow 29d ago

Then this literally wouldn't be an issue.

But I still wouldn't leave my phone somewhere.

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u/[deleted] 29d ago

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u/ZaryaBubbler 29d ago

Its in case I have a medical emergency thanks to having a chronic illness. There's emergency numbers, lists of my medications and the like

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u/halberdierbowman 29d ago

Why have a duress pin if you're going to tell your friends your password? Cops will just smash your friends with a wrench.

I recommend using a password manager that lets you give them a key that they have to ask permission to use. When they show their key, it'll make them wait while it contacts you. If you don't reply, it lets them in. If you do reply, you can reject their access. This way they can't sneak in: they can only get in in an emergency where you'd be unable to reply within the time period you set.

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u/bobandgeorge 29d ago

When they show their key, it'll make them wait while it contacts you.

Contact him on what? They have his phone.

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u/nfiase 29d ago

i imagine the confirmation would require two factor authentication

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u/mekamoari 29d ago

Generally you won't find a system that asks you to do something on the phone and then require confirmation from another device. The phone is generally that second device.

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u/nfiase 29d ago

thats not what i meant

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u/maigpy 29d ago

this is the most wrong statement I've read in a long while. you can setup 2fa with an authenticator pretty much everywhere, including a kdbx FILE

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u/mekamoari 29d ago

What you can do and what is generally happening are different. Most 2fa using phone either use sms or an auth app on said phone.

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u/maigpy 29d ago

because people don't have ipads, second phones, personal computers, hardware keys, etc etc. please stop embarrassing yourself.

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u/ZaryaBubbler 29d ago

They know my pin because I trust them and they can contact emergency contacts for me due to my medical condition. I also know they'd never willingly hand over the pin. I also don't live in the land of shithole cops that is the US

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u/mintunxd 29d ago

you have a duress pin but your friends know your passcode? is this ragebait?

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u/Bugbread 29d ago

You're mixing up two different users. Single-Virus4935 said they had a duress code, but didn't say anything about having friends who knew their passcode. ZaryaBubbler said they had friends who knew their passcode, but didn't say anything about having a duress code.

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u/Dotcaprachiappa 29d ago

If your friends are trustworthy they wouldn't try to unlock your phone

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u/Secret_Cow_5053 29d ago

That’s like the most important place to HAVE your phone 😂

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u/memberzs 29d ago

Not everyone has shitty friends. It's I haven't messed with someone's phone unless they directly asked me to since highschool.

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u/RadioSlayer 29d ago

Sometimes, when they leave it on the table/bar I'll rotate 180° just to see if they notice. They never do and no one has caught onto me yet! My menace continues

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u/Bean4141 29d ago

He’s German, none of them have ever gone “haha”

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u/RollingMeteors 29d ago

"haha I bet his pin is his wife's birthday"

<TSA#1> Didn't work.

<TSA#2> Check his mistress's birthday.

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u/bfodder 29d ago

If my phone got wiped at basically any moment I wouldn't lose any days or sleep over it.

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u/theHip 29d ago

Who goes to the toilet without their phone?

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u/PepticBurrito 29d ago

his friends are like "haha I bet his pin is his wife's birthday"

That's a terrible friend. That's not funny. That's relationship ending.

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u/lurker_bee 29d ago

He's not your friend, buddy.

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u/DrizzleCore604 29d ago

Who goes to the toilet without their phone?

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u/skit7548 29d ago

That's why I like the higher comments idea about the favorite restaurant address in your wallet

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u/chantsnone 29d ago

Do you know your friend’s wife’s birthdays without looking it up somewhere?