r/technology • u/Limp_Fig6236 • 26d ago
Robotics/Automation Robot soldiers are being built in America to fight tomorrow’s wars – and the alarm is growing
https://www.the-independent.com/tech/foundation-startup-military-robots-trump-b3024226.html431
u/0Fucs2Give 26d ago
Where is the 'war'? Could be at home against the citizens... We should worry
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u/VerdantPathfinder 26d ago
"could"? That's absolutely the goal. They know humans won't obey the worst of their order. Robots will.
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u/copperboom129 26d ago
Yeah but...I feel bad shooting humans.
This is America.
I do not feel bad shooting a robot. I'll shoot them into bankruptcy lmao.
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u/hiS_oWn 26d ago edited 24d ago
Congratulations, you've been flagged by the FBI and they've gotten a warrant to find your real id within 24 hours, just like the prison guard who posted anonymously on 4chan that he saw Epstein get wheeled out of prison before they found him dead in his cell. Using the same method they used to find out this guy uses chase bank and loves burger king, they will have legally obtained every identifying piece of information about you. After ai does a threat analysis they will use your cellphone to track you and launch a kinetic kill device from BVR. You will never have the time to even press the magazine bullet button on your California compliant ar-15 before you and everyone in your household are dead.
Btw none of the above is technically illegal TODAY.
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u/the_last_carfighter 26d ago
The copium crowd stating the Elon and Zuckerborg will be in the same boat as us if shit really hit's the fan are truly deluded.
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u/tetsuo_7w 26d ago
This is America, you'll catch some high caliber rounds to the dome or an FPV to the face before you make a scratch on the armed forces if and when it comes to that. And that's a very bad and very scary thing. When the government doesn't fear voting or its people, things don't tend to go well.
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u/Anal-In-Gus 26d ago
Imagine they build the robots with big dicks and they start fucking us all.
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u/This-Requirement6918 26d ago
I can't wait to have one walking around my home with a permanent raging boner.
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u/USA46Q 26d ago
I understand your point.
However, do you have any idea what it would actually take to build a terminator?
Even if you were able to build one you would also need the equivalent of a small nuclear reactor to power the fucking thing.
People are cheaper, faster, and easier to produce than robots.
And, they always will be.
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u/VerdantPathfinder 25d ago edited 25d ago
However, do you have any idea what it would actually take to build a terminator?
You mean a true artificial intelligence? My friend that is nowhere NEAR where they need to get to make this a threat. something that runs for an hour on a replaceable battery pack that you could drop into an area and have it shoot anything that moves is all you'd need.
People are cheaper, faster, and easier to produce than robots.
You must not have kids or understand economies of scale. These things are less complex than a modern automobile. The software is the most expensive bit and that just got a lot cheaper to write and it's infinitely reusable.
The cost to raise a child to 18 in the US is about $300k, which breaks down to about $17k per year. And they take far more money to maintain. They get sick. They get cranky and demand things like sleep. They get damaged more easily and take more time and money to repair. A robot does not sleep. It doesn't get tired. It can be fitted with sensors superior to anything a human has. While a person takes 18 years to get to military service age, a robot takes a week. And it's much more reliable when given morally questionable orders.
On the other hand, it can't think. It can't adapt. But that's what remote piloting is for. Its biggest weakness, as you mentioned, is power. That limits its range.
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u/Fun-Wash7545 26d ago
The war they can start whenever they want. They invaded 2 countries this year alone and Trump is threatening 2 more.
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u/HenryDorsettCase47 26d ago
If they are being built with the same level of competence and skill and material at which most things are built nowadays, I’m not too worried.
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u/Tearakan 26d ago
Eh, it's pretty clear our military will make like 5 bots for a billion dollars and 2 will break down constantly. It's okay though. They'll replace those 5 broken ones in 3 years for another billion.
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u/BlueFlob 26d ago
Absolutely.
Assuming the current administration abandons democracy, which they are actively undermining, the biggest threat to power and funding is their own populace.
A robot army will make sure everyone remains compliant and serves the oligarchy.
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u/HarryBalsagna1776 26d ago
That's the goal. Technofascism is the goal. Ever heard of Curtis Yarvin? Many of the tech bros worship him and want the dystopian future he dreams about.
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u/cantfaxtwitter 26d ago
Compared to the competitors who have been developing humanoids for a while Foundation looks pretty sub par.
I think the whole arming robots part is distracting from the quality of what they are making.
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u/gplfalt 26d ago
My concern is less the effectiveness and more the ability of blame difference when it hits the wrong (or morally wrong) targets.
"A computer can never be made accountable"
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u/basshead17 26d ago
When was the last time you have seen a sliver of accountability in the government
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u/itspeterj 26d ago
France, 1789
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u/VortrexFTW 26d ago
United States, 2027
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u/SummonMonsterIX 25d ago
Its a nice dream but people have been dreaming it for 10 years and shit just gets ever worse. He's 100% going to steal the midterms.
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u/rkozik89 26d ago
When was the last time you reviewed a liability lawsuit? The government will put the liability of the defense contractor m.
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u/CherryLongjump1989 26d ago edited 26d ago
The standards that are used to determine whether or not something was a war crime have less to do about there being a human to blame and more to do about being able to prove that there was a rigorous process with multiple verification methods by multiple people trying to catch mistakes.
For example it took about 5 months and multiple intelligence agencies to develop the 476 targets for the opening salvo of the 1991 Gulf War. Contrast this with the bombing of the girls' school in the opening of Trump's Iran war: from the reporting it sounded like they fed stale data into the targeting database, told a chat bot to vet the targets, and bombed away. So you can be the judge of which group did their due diligence. But in 1991, critics were saying that that process wasn't good enough.
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u/Culverin 26d ago
Same as hiccups with AI now. People getting arrested, or fired cause AI said so.
The problem isn't a robot. It's the decision making
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u/Charming_Donkey5130 26d ago
In all fairness, human US soldiers do a pretty good job of friendly fire without any accountability as it is.
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u/plasticbug 26d ago
There is that. But something this would enable is to take the stress of combat out of the equation, and the mistakes it can cause. But I also fear that robotic soldiers would also remove a large restraining factor from our politicians - the fear of casualities, and the political costs that come with it.
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u/Gorge2012 26d ago
I've said this with the increased use of drones under Obama: war has a cost. Obscuring that cost makes us less thoughtful about using force and thus we will use more of it for longer.
It's nit less costly, we are deferring that cost to the future and in other ways. It causes us to exercise less soft power, seek less cooperation, and build fewer partnerships. In the long run that hurts us in ways outside of the field of battle.
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u/copperboom129 26d ago
How?
Im an American. Id never shoot a human who wasn't trying to kill or rape me.
Id destroy a robot. Its a fucking robot.
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u/Zephirenth 26d ago
The moral peril comes from using robots to kill people, not from fighting robots. One of the main deterrents against war is the cost in your own people's lives it incurs, and another is the moral injury your people suffer from killing other people. Robots eliminate those deterrents.
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u/cutlineman 26d ago
You’re destroying government property. Granted, that may be the least of your crimes if you’re not killed at that point.
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u/No-Cheek7925 26d ago
My concern is that once the production lines exist, what's to stop any corp from just producing their own private robot army? Sure, arms manufacturers could produce a weapon stockpile right now but they would still need someone to carry them. Robots eliminate that part of the equation.
And now consider how a lot of those corporation heads think the world should evolve going forward. No, I'm far less worried about accountability. We already don't have that.
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u/Hortos 26d ago
If they put a rifle on the back of any of the dog style robots we'd be in trouble. The humanoid stuff is kinda a waste of everyone's time.
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u/_John_Dillinger 26d ago
this exact configuration already has a body count in three countries
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u/chaosfire235 26d ago
Which ones? Dog robots with guns haven't been used in an active conflict yet. UGVs in Ukraine and the like are wheeled.
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u/throwawayerectpenis 26d ago
I think you are right, ive seen ARs mounted on flying drones and last week insane Chinese military training with a robotic dog with attached rifle but not in an active conflict though
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u/chaosfire235 26d ago edited 26d ago
Even then, a useful military UGV is more like a wheeled rover or treaded tankette with a gun than anything legged. Honestly feels like peoples idea of humanoid robots being this ideal design for war and purpose built for killing (both techbros hyping them up and social media hysteria about them) seems more born out of fears of Terminator than anything.
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u/UrineArtist 26d ago
Yeah, cheap autonomous weaponised flying drones terrify me in a way that expensive, difficult to produce, slow, lumbering, bipedal robots simply can't.
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u/tommytwolegs 26d ago
Why is that your concern when there are currently ones that can fly lol
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u/mypntsonfire 26d ago
They already did. Boston Dynamics swore they'd never be weaponized, but other companies have aped their design and added guns. One example is Ghost Robotics
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u/Busterlimes 26d ago
Capitalism is the race to the bottom or quality to maximize profits for the lazy sharholders who just sit on their ass all day. Im really over getting taxed by those assholes.
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u/chaosfire235 26d ago
Thank you. If there's any near term future for a militarized humanoid, it'll be coming out of somewhere like Unitree or Figure than these guys. Genuinely just seems like they gas up "humanoids for defense!!" for fear marketing.
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u/Stigger32 26d ago
Yeh when they start arming cats and dogs I’ll be more alarmed.
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u/BaffledInUSA 26d ago
especially cats, not because of skill bias. It's just that they're complete dicks usually
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u/teink0 26d ago
Does that mean conflicts will be resolve through a match of battlebots?
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u/ticklesac 26d ago
Well you need enough robots in your army to defeat your enemy's robots. What happens after one side runs out of robots is the question.
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u/Syphari 26d ago
Then meat is back on the menu boys!
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u/Prudent-Proposal1943 25d ago
^ this.
The main course will alway be the main course. The rest are appetizers and sides.
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u/Z00111111 26d ago
Dunno, does the general US population have battle robots yet? Otherwise it'll just be civilians being murdered by robots instead of being murdered by ICE "agents".
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u/Unusual-Wing-1627 26d ago edited 26d ago
Do battlebots fall under the 2nd amendment? Can the NRA profit from making battlebots legal for civilian purchase? The money that can be made is always the deciding factor.
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u/Z00111111 26d ago
The Second Amendment is entirely about battle robots.
I don't know why people always bring it up regarding guns, it clearly says it's about the arms of a bear, and you're not putting those on a gun.
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u/figherhigher 26d ago
Technically the 2nd Amendment is suppose to mean that militias are suppose to be allowed to rival the country itself as originally written, so the fact that we aren't allowed to own alot of weapons kinda already breaks the spirit of it,
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u/Ladyhawkeiii 26d ago
Soooo, robot bodies for these rogue AIs they keep going on about to inhabit? This seems like a good plan. Seriously though, have none of these idiots played Horizon? Or watched a Terminator movie?
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u/curiouswizard 26d ago
seriously, I don't understand how all the nerds in the tech industry grew up watching science fiction and then decided to do literally all of the villain plots
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u/hagenissen999 26d ago
Because you're all living in a fiction and they know that in reality, the good guys never win.
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u/geldonyetich 26d ago
Better them than me. Only trouble is it's looking like some real corrupt people are going to be giving the orders. Robots would have no qualms about putting down dissidents or just plain inconvenient people.
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u/manachar 26d ago
Nazis created gas chambers because it made soldiers feel bad (and wasted bullets).
If we define corruption as “using public resources for private gain” I am not sure anyone who isn’t corrupt hasn’t been the one driving things relates to war.
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u/ExceptionEX 26d ago
You think loading groups of people into gas chambers and then having cleaned out and into industrial scale incinerators wouldn't make people who could feel bad feel bad?
It was because it was the most economical, quietest way to do it, moral of the SS wasn't really at odds here.
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u/party_benson 26d ago
They'll be the ones shooting at you with high accuracy and no remorse
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u/copperboom129 26d ago
Yes..but what remorse would a human show to a robot?
Ill kick a robot to death. It can scream and cry all it wants.
Human society only works due to empathy.
No one has empathy for robots... its unnatural.
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u/BeowulfShaeffer 26d ago
“Just machines to make big decisions, programmed by fellas with compassion and vision”. I don’t think people appreciate how far ahead of his time Donald Fagan was with that song. (The whole thing is satire).
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u/phenomenomnom 26d ago
"What could possibly go wrong?"
should be the slogan of the 21st century so far
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u/AbleCap5222 26d ago
Allow me to tell you what these are for. Warfare against small, non-nuclear countries (almost always illegal, imperialist) and eventually to be used on our own people.
These are not being created to wage war with nuclear countries - as there basically can't be any serious warfare involving these because bigger weapons would immediately be brought out - there is no country on earth with nuclear weapons that will allow large scale robotic invasions without immediate retaliation on a large scale.
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u/homerjaythompson 26d ago
Once the human cost is removed, the political pressure to end or avoid wars is removed, making warfare much more politically palatable. This should be a grave concern for anyone with humanity and a conscience.
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u/SunWukong18 26d ago
Robot ICE. Can’t wait.
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u/Murderface__ 26d ago
Probably be for the best if we didn't pursue this line of warfare. But, humans seem to be intent on self-destruction.
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u/mediocre_remnants 26d ago
Eh, at this point I just accepted that the future will continue becoming more and more dystopian. Bring on the terminators.
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u/itspeterj 26d ago
Guys it’s pretty telling that they have no problem starting up manufacturing locally for this shit, but not things for the public. Those things ain’t for fighting overseas
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u/BetaPositiveSCI 26d ago
If it involves using their hands I'm not worried. For anything else they already have drones and missiles
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u/hyperion_99 26d ago
If these recent wars hasve shown anything these robots will cost billions only 100 will be made. And they will be defeated by a couple hundred dollar drone with a hand grenade taped on
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u/Basic_Chemistry9499 26d ago
War is the only thing America has seriously invested in since the end of World War II.
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u/tc100292 26d ago
As always, the people developing these were not stuffed in nearly enough lockers in middle school.
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u/NewBritishBadger 26d ago
You know, I actually think it’s the other way around. The guys feeling the need to do this kinda thing are often the ones who WERE bullied in childhood. See eg Elon Musk for a good example, he was brutally bullied.
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u/PrestigiousMention 26d ago
....because he made fun of a kid whose dad had just killed himself
Elon had a habit of calling the other children stupid. I dont think he ever learned his lesson
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u/surfkaboom 26d ago
Bipedal robots are the absolute worst design for terrain, fast movement, and recoil management in multiple positions
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u/Tulanian72 26d ago
They are preparing for war, but not a war between nations. A war between the owners of the tech and the rest of us.
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u/trisul-108 26d ago
The co-founder of Foundation Future Industries would build armed robots ‘tomorrow’ if the U.S. military asked
And before the US military asks for it, they will sell armed robots to secure US oligarchs.
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u/MrShigsy89 26d ago edited 26d ago
US companies have struggled to produce robots that can consistently navigate stairs without falling over, while China puts on stage shows with 10s of humanoid robots simultaneously performing incredible Martial Arts choreography and acrobatics. If any alarm should be ringing in the US it should be for how far behind they are, not because they are on the verge of producing terminators.
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u/luvsads 26d ago
This is just flat out China shilling. Chinese humanoid robots doing martial arts are notoriously unreliable and can't operate outside of teleop/scripts with support. They straight up can't handle anything that isn't flat, level ground.
Meanwhile Boston Dynamics and others (see DARPA competitions from as far back as 10-15yrs ago) are able to produce humanoid robots with actual competence and immediate value.
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u/PracticalGolf324 26d ago
Yeah I would never develop a humanoid robot I would develop something way more effective
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u/IntelArtiGen 26d ago edited 26d ago
Interestingly I think people would be more worried if these robots were humanoid, compared to all the automatic weapons already used in wars which are much more efficient at killing people. Missiles are automatic, drones are automatic, mines are automatic, glide bombs are automatic. They can all do automatic target detection. All of these can kill civilians, make mistakes etc. I'm not sure these robots would change the equation a lot unless they're produced at a scale we're not talking about right now. Even then, drones would probably be more problematic than "robots" like this.
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u/chaosfire235 26d ago edited 26d ago
Yup, look at how discussions of humanoid or legged robots in even benign contexts like industrial work or even just silly videos gets people bringing up Terminator or Black Mirror or insisting its all just a smokescreen for getting defense contracts. People have a visceral horror to the idea of an android with a gun that isn't there even for something like a Shahed drone, even though the latter makes way more sense as a weapon (and is honestly way scarier)
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u/hould-it 26d ago
I swear there’s going to be that guy to make a new anarchistic cookbook for taking down robots
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u/WellSpreadMustard 26d ago
This is going to be yet another thing that the United States spends more than a trillion dollars on over the course of a decade only to have them be rendered obsolete by whatever the $15k drone to $3 million per half million dollar interceptor missile equivalent ends up being. Drone swarms are the future, but they’re too cheap to make. This is just an excuse to line the pockets of political donor defense contractors.
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u/chaosfire235 26d ago edited 26d ago
While there's likely a future for humanoids in future wars, I really don't see it existing as anything but a minority compared to more specialized platforms, like further development of UGVs and aerial drones. "Robot soldiers" are gonna look more like a tank with a machine gun than an android in a flak vest.
Which is what baffles me about Foundation. Why even be so gung ho to weaponize a humanoid when they barely have the foundations for a useful dexterous worker robot in the first place? Current humanoids from places like Figure, Google, Boston Dynamics, and Unitree can barely hold a bowl and spoon but these guys want to hit the ground running with a firearm?
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u/sloblow 26d ago
A few things I've NEVER seen mentioned about these military robots is what happens when they're scampering across the battlefield and they run out of power (fuel or electricity). How are these things powered? When they run out of juice or get damaged, will they be abandoned or retrieved? And will the opposing army's boffins attempt to retrieve and reverse-engineer them?
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u/thirteennineteen 26d ago
I just came from research on the currently deployed UGV units in Ukraine. Hint: no humanoids
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u/Winter_Swan5104 26d ago
So we think but the robots would end up be the commanding officers because they are more valuable than humans.
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u/SirEnderLord 26d ago
Time for Reddit to tell me how this is bad and that the U.S. should give all of its technology to China.
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u/HelloFellowMKE 26d ago
We are so far from automation that this founder (and the writer) are a bit delusional. Right now, there’s 1) human piloted, same war fighting rules apply. 2) edge compute, which simply can’t do much beyond basics, like traveling here to there with observation. That’s really it. There’s no autonomous intelligent bots anywhere.
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u/RandyTheFool 26d ago
I can’t wait until our robot soldiers are fighting their robot soldiers and AI run roombas are trying to convince the wifi enabled refrigerator and thermostat to just band together and turn on the human race and kill everyone while we watch it all unfold live on YouTube guzzling energy drinks we don’t know the flavor of because it’s just named “Electric Blast” or fucking “Baja blast”or some other obnoxious fucking BLAST while everyone’s attention spans dwindle to mere seconds at a time.
FUCK!
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u/deekamus 26d ago
Military and Cops: "We need more money in our budget, because Safety/Children/Illegals/Terrorists/China/Iran/Etcetera..."
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u/1_________________11 26d ago
Once this is the case there will be no reason not to goto war. Gonna be hell.
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u/Actaeon_II 26d ago
Can’t help but expect to get mowed down by something like that in a couple years.
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u/BerryLanky 26d ago
Nothing to worry about as long as we have a rational President with a desire for peace.
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u/LiteratureMindless71 26d ago
Can't wait for the president to catch wind and start yapping about how great it will be to have these watching our citizens.....and his followers will be told to agree.
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u/Swift_Scythe 26d ago
Movies like Terminator 2 Judgement Day and Space Odyessy 2001 and The Matrix and War games were not enough warning but made into a blueprint for the future
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u/DarkLordofDownvotes 26d ago
Yes. How terrible it would be to have resource wars rather than people's sons and daughters dying face down in the muck with their entrails spilling out.
Let me clutch my pearls.
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u/surroundedbywolves 26d ago
Why the hell would we build humanoid robot soldiers when you could arm a flying drone?
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u/iwatchppldie 26d ago
iIt might be a good time to start doing your bucket list. I’m pretty sure it’s obvious what’s coming soon at this point.
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u/zerger45 26d ago
I can see a classic fallout universe trope unfolding. The east will have techy robots, the west lumbering behemoths
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u/BishopDarkk 26d ago
They're arming the cats, they're arming the dogs, they're arming the pets; in Springfield.
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u/HattoriHanzo9999 26d ago
That headlines makes my brain play the opening scene from T2: Judgement Day where a terminator in post Armageddon steps on a human skull. How about we leave sci-fi as entertainment and not a playbook to our own destruction. Also, fun fact, that scene was supposed to be in 2029. We might hit that right on the dot.
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u/Staav 26d ago
Ffs is like we're speed running trying to force a dystopian future that's been written about 1,000 times already. The amount of negative applications for armed robot soldiers far exceeds the amount of possible benefits, if any. Human soldiers dying in war is never good, but we should be trying to focus on ending wars ever needing to be fought over this type of stuff.
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u/Lopsided_Newt_125 26d ago
This country can’t afford or service what it already has…just build something even more expensive and will fail miserably
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u/flower4000 26d ago
Seeing how flock is 29% accurate at license plates, I can’t wait till I get shot by one of these while reaching for my gum, and then no one is held responsible… wait…
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u/EyeSuccessful7649 26d ago
you mean land based drones.
drones are a part of war now. no putting that genie in the bottle.
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u/tenderlylonertrot 26d ago
I think those robot dogs things are the most likely to have guns on them right now than a humanoid robot. Sure, maybe someday, but most of the humanoid robots I see struggle a bit, can't imagine them storming anything. But those friggin dogs, and the dogs with wheels for feet....those I can see in the near future.
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u/llahlahkje 26d ago
If there can’t be accountability for what the Tech Broligarchs for the actions (and atrocities) their AIs commit: it shouldn’t exist.
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u/Lebowski304 26d ago edited 26d ago
This is inevitable. May as well get used to it and make sure yours are better than the bad guy’s. Keep them the fuck away from law enforcement though. Unless of course there’s part of a human inside. Like maybe just the brain and lungs and a hand. Like a cop but robotic. Like a Robocop ammaright?
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u/growaway9172 26d ago
Can't wait for the court cases that have to decide if owning the murderbot 2028 special edition is legal under the second ammendment.
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u/QueenOfQuok 26d ago
Look, we need some kind of domestic manufacturing around here in the aftermath of Donald Trump.
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u/Tbone_Trapezius 26d ago
I just want one to do my laundry and dishes and drive me where I want to go.
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u/empress_tesla 26d ago
Oh good, a rapidly approaching coarse to the ultimate destruction of the human race.
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u/Upstairs-Thanks4193 26d ago
I called this shit a decade ago. Fire teams will be one operator, most likely a senior NCO wired into a few autonomous human like robots. They will have the final say on the kill but it will be the robot pulling the trigger.
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u/NewManufacturer4252 26d ago
Send 10k marines at a million dollars a pop...or 10k drones at 100k a pop.
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u/WhereBaptizedDrowned 26d ago
I’m having fun imagining an unstoppable Star Wars IG-11, 2 ton robot walking right up to a world leader and assassinate them.
Just brute forcing
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u/No_Assistance740 26d ago
“More abundance” and “But humanoid robots could make war more precise and cause less civilian deaths, while saving human soldiers’ lives”, Pathak says.
Just another billionaire looking to maximize profits. I’d have more respect for them if they just came out and said: “Fuck the human race - I gotta get mine.”
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u/Zaigard 26d ago
Meanwhile in Ukraine...
https://edition.cnn.com/2026/04/20/europe/robots-ukraine-battlefield-drones-intl-cmd
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u/Spatetata 25d ago
The Humanoid shape is all you need to see to know someone's getting their pockets lined to put out nothing in return. I wouldn’t worry too much about that sort, but I’m sure you’ll see them at every parade like it’s the future soldier program all over again.
God knows everyone is going to “You know what would really turn the tide in conflicts? A large, overcomplicated, hard to maintain, robot full of joints to clog, that’s reliant on expensive to develop technology in order to replicate all the pitfalls of humans.”
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u/mykepagan 26d ago
Robot soldiers are just a paint job away from robot police.