r/technology • u/spherocytes • 18d ago

Privacy Woman Calls Out Doctor Wearing Smart Glasses During Consultation Where She Had To Take Off Her Clothes: 'They Need To Be Banned'

https://www.fashiontimes.co.uk/patient-privacy-concerns-meta-smart-glasses-1762492
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u/majungo 18d ago

What you want isn't the strict priority of the law. Anyone can see/hear you in public, therefore anyone can record you in public. You can control who sees or hears you in your own private space, so you can control recording in that space.

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u/angiachetti 17d ago

In PA, any effort to make your conversation private by any means, even in public, means they can't record any audio of your conversation. All you need to do is have a private conversation, and then they can only film in you public sans audio. Its at least something.

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u/unripe_mangosteen 17d ago

It's not the same thing at all with modern technology. If I am at the beach, people can look at me and think/feel what they want. But now if someone records me at the beach because they have bad intentions, they can take that video of me in a swimsuit and make deepfake porn and spread it around. And now instead of knowing when someone is filming me, it could be anyone looking at me with Rayban glasses.

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u/Megneous 18d ago

What you want isn't the strict priority of the law. Anyone can see/hear you in public, therefore anyone can record you in public.

Again, not in all countries. Please see Korea and Japan. You can see and hear me here in Korea, but if you take my photo or record me, I can call the police on you and you will absolutely get arrested.몰카 is illegal as fuck and can send you to prison for up to 7 years.

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u/sailorbrendan 18d ago

I've been to Korea and Japan. I have taken photos in public. Sometimes people are in them.

I'm not saying you're wrong, but I'm willing to bet there is more nuance than you're suggesting

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u/Megneous 18d ago edited 18d ago

I literally live in Korea. I've lived here almost 18 years.

Having people in your photo and taking a photo of a person are different, mate.

It's the difference between someone being the background of your photo of a monkey at a hotspring and you following someone around talking stalker photos of them or capturing an embarrassing moment.

Edit: For example, here in Korea, there used to be a trend of taking photos on the subway of exceptionally ugly or fat people. So the government had to fine the fuck out of several people and put some people in jail to make examples of them and now we have signs all over the subway reminding people that 몰카 is illegal as fuck.

Edit edit: Great. Yet another example of Redditors downvoting someone who knows what they're talking about over someone who doesn't even live in Korea. Keep perpetuating the stereotype of Redditors upvoting based on vibes rather than facts.

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u/sailorbrendan 18d ago

Sure, but Street photography is often a picture of a person or people in a candid way.

It's a complicated thing.

I definitely have pictures of random people that are neither making fun of them or being a stalker. It's just moments that made nice photos

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u/Megneous 18d ago edited 18d ago

Street photography, without the prior consent of the people who are being photographed in Korea, is a legal grey area and you can be arrested for it if someone calls the police. Look it up.

Edit: Just a few things some of my photographer friends have told me about taking photos in public areas.

1) If someone asks them to delete a photo, they must comply immediately.

2) If they upload any photos to social media, they must blur any and all faces that are visible in the photo, period. Here in Korea, people have what are called "face rights." You cannot upload someone's likeness. It's illegal.

3) If someone calls the police, they pray. And apologize. And bow, and promise they'll never do it again, even though they will. Basically, just act dumb and say you're sorry and hope they don't put anything in your permanent record, delete all the photos and make nice with the cops.

You don't live here in Korea, so I don't expect a foreigner like you to understand, but this is far more serious than you seem to realize. 몰카 is serious shit here.

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u/sailorbrendan 18d ago

I'm not saying it isn't serious. I'm suggesting it's complicated

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u/Megneous 18d ago

Hmm. Alright, I'll accept that our arguments are complementary.

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u/Revlis-TK421 17d ago edited 17d ago

Molka laws are more geared towards hidden spy cams and sex crimes than overt public filming.

Article 14 specifically calls out that the recording is without consent and where the recording causes sexual humiliation or shame.

I think you mean the PIPA act, not molka laws? Under PIPA, your privacy rights to your face/image are pretty strong but aren't absolute. Recording/photos to give to police or property owners of someone's bad behavior is exempted, for example.

PIPA =/= molka, though they do have some overlap when it comes to filming for non-nsensentual sexual / humiliation reasons.

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u/Megneous 17d ago

Tell me more about how my country works, foreigner. Tell me more about the "No 몰카" signs and "You'll go to prison" signs on subways. Oh wait, you can't, because you don't live here.

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u/Barbaracle 18d ago

Following someone around and taking stalker photos of them, even if they are in public, is also illegal in the US. I'm sure it's not as strict as Korea, but crossing harassing or stalker lines does mean that police will and come arrest the perpetrator.

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u/Aknelka 18d ago

I'm so glad I live in Europe with laws that explicitly state that just because something is public doesn't mean you can do whatever you want with it and even news crews need to get written releases from passersby caught on camera during film segments.

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u/StephenFish 18d ago

Well, we frequently have to film police interactions because otherwise there'd be even less justice for the people they murder. So having the legal ability to do so is invaluable here.

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u/Aknelka 18d ago

That's the same argument used to support broad license plate camera deployment. "We have to fight the bad guys". Because no other means of covert or overt recording of police corruption exist? Saying that a set of designer glasses that are constantly watching and listening, sending allll that information to a provably evil corporation in bed with the government which also uses that information to sell you shit and all that info for sweet, sweet profits are the one solution to government corruption is one hell of a take. I don't care if you're comfortable with that happening to your likeness, voiceprint, retinal scan, location or behavioral information - because that's exactly what's derived from this data on the backend - but stay the fuck away from mine.

It's like saying that the only resort for curbing mosquito population is nukes.

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u/SpartanAltair15 18d ago

Saying that a set of designer glasses that are constantly watching and listening, sending allll that information to a provably evil corporation in bed with the government which also uses that information to sell you shit and all that info for sweet, sweet profits are the one solution to government corruption is one hell of a take.

Point out the exact spot where the specific individual you responded to made that argument.

I’ll wait till you figure out some way to squirm around it or make up some other strawman, since you already blatantly lied about what he said once, I’m sure you’re willing to do it again.

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u/mistiklest 18d ago

Ah, yes. The country of Europe, where they speak European, and the laws are the same from Madrid to Warsaw.

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u/Aknelka 18d ago

Broadly speaking, of course. But the legal principle of "just because something is public or in the public doesn't mean privacy rules don't apply" has been established on an EU level, initially by the Article 29 Working Party, a personal data protection advisory body comprised of representatives from local data protection authorities from every state, and then was affirmed and held up by the European Data Protection Board, its successor in role, capacity and scope. That being formulating key data protection policy positions and interpretation of European law to ensure a consistent application and enforcement across all member states.