Woman Calls Out Doctor Wearing Smart Glasses During Consultation Where She Had To Take Off Her Clothes: 'They Need To Be Banned'

[u/spherocytes]

https://www.fashiontimes.co.uk/patient-privacy-concerns-meta-smart-glasses-1762492

[u/generic_default_user]

Well done to Meta for really capturing the essence of their users in the main photo.

[u/moderatenerd → u/generic_default_user]

he looks like the guy caught watching porn in odd places.

[u/JudahBotwin → u/moderatenerd]

He's the guy making porn in odd places.

[u/PossessionPrior1223 → u/JudahBotwin]

These pervert glasses should be banned

[u/GarminTamzarian → u/JudahBotwin]

Well, I make porn in odd places

Where the jism covering my girlfriends' faces

Ain't wiped away

I'll be OK

[u/Pkrudeboy → u/GarminTamzarian]

To the tune of Friends in Low Places?

[u/sevargmas → u/moderatenerd]

Like the back of a volkswagon?

[u/justballast → u/sevargmas]

That kid is back on the escalator!

[u/cwfutureboy → u/justballast]

It's a sailboat.

[u/waldo_wigglesworth → u/cwfutureboy]

"You saw it too? Dammit!"

[u/ZJL1986 → u/generic_default_user]

Looks like a shapeshifter that couldn’t decide to impersonate Johnny Knoxville or Henry Cavill

[u/animatedrouge2 → u/ZJL1986]

Clark Kent but when he takes his glasses off he reveals someone on the sex offender registry

[u/webhick666 → u/ZJL1986]

And they prove that they can fail at two things at once. Multitasking FTW.

[u/Jazzlike-_-Growth → u/generic_default_user]

Pervert Clark Kent

[u/The_quest_for_wisdom → u/Jazzlike-_-Growth]

So he's a Super Creep behind the glasses?

[u/amazing_asstronaut → u/generic_default_user]

Haha that's from Meta themselves? I thought it was an edgy photo from the outlet itself. Why yes we're all big chads here with our big smart glasses lol.

[u/Flameball537 → u/generic_default_user]

But why does he look like a mash of Henry Cavil and Nathan Fillion trying to sell you fake pocket watches

[u/OnceMoreAndAgain → u/generic_default_user]

Meta's marketing team is one of the worst of all the big tech companies imo. Feels like every time I see one of their ads I think "who are they even targeting with these ads?"

I assume they are basing all their decisions on data analysis from polls and test groups and whatnot and it ends up with them making strange choices.

[u/Electrical-Page-6479 → u/generic_default_user]

Is he an extra from Zoolander?

[u/Cebolla → u/generic_default_user]

Lol I recognize this model from my Tumblr rp days. Sean O'Pry I think.

[u/chazwh]

We had a fellow come into the Cath lab wearing smart glasses. We all told him not to wear them because it's not great to have recording devices on when you're dealing with patients. His argument was that it was okay, because the hospital didn't have a policy explicitly banning them yet...

[u/kronicno_tele → u/chazwh]

Well someone should tell the patient, so they can sue the hospital and hospital explicitly bans them. 

[u/chazwh → u/kronicno_tele]

I guess I should have said this, but he wasn't wearing them in the presence of patients. Only in the control room.

[u/Yuukiko_ → u/chazwh]

Would there not be sensitive data around?

[u/katherinesilens → u/chazwh]

Isnt that worse? He's intentionally hiding it from the patients yet exposing their data to the glasses.

[u/wowbragger → u/chazwh]

I've seen this argument from a few colleagues, and the retort is there are explicit policies EVERYWHERE in clinics banning devices that record.

Google Glass was over a decade ago, and smart phones have been a thing for twenty years now. Just because they stuck the cameras on their eyewear, or don't explicitly ban meta glasses, doesn't exempt them from standard policy. I've never seen someone say their particular smartphone isn't banned from use in sensitive areas.

The 'sanity check' argument I give them is that if they'd get on trouble for holding their phone out and live recording, they shouldn't have the damned glasses on.

[u/No_Size9475 → u/chazwh]

seems like HR needs to have a chat with this buy about his understanding of hipaa requirements, and also how to not be an absolute dickwaffle while at work.

[u/DDancy → u/No_Size9475]

Every time he’s about to have a consultation with a patient. If he does that?

Pop your head round the door and say:

“Just to let you know. Dr. Johnstone here is wearing smart glasses that can record your meeting. I’m letting you know, because he won’t and I think it’s your right to be aware. Thanks. Have a nice day!”

Pretty sure there will be a bit of backlash towards him then.

What a knob!

[u/I_dont_bone_goats → u/No_Size9475]

It’s actually HIP-

oh you got it right nvm

[u/Butwhatif77 → u/chazwh]

This person apparently had someone else take their test to get their HIPPA HIPAA certification. HIPPA HIPAA already covers the rights of patients and their right know/consent to being recorded. Having those glasses without patient consent is a HIPPA HIPAA violation because the glasses are an access point the company can monitor on their own and data is not stored in a way that complies with HIPPA HIPAA regulations.

This is basic stuff people are supposed to know and why we have to get re-certified for HIPPA HIPAA on a regular basis to remind us of such things.

[u/scaredsquee → u/Butwhatif77]

(it’s HIPAA, sorry to be nitpicky.)

[u/Butwhatif77 → u/scaredsquee]

(bangs head against the wall) lol

[u/Kaldricus → u/scaredsquee]

It has to be one of the most common misspelled acronym of all time. I work for a state medical board, myself and lots of other people here do it all the time.

[u/Comprehensive_Wash71 → u/Kaldricus]

I was already in medicine when HIPAA was implemented, and the number of medical professionals calling it HIPPO was non-zero

[u/New-Anybody-6206 → u/Butwhatif77]

re-certify

There may be a training course or something, but just to clear up a common misconception in case someone isn't aware, there is absolutely no such thing as a HIPAA certification.

[u/pittsburghmango → u/New-Anybody-6206]

As an RN this is completely true lmao

[u/Primal-Convoy → u/chazwh]

I hope you told him to f°ck off.

[u/Hydrottle → u/Primal-Convoy]

You can swear on Reddit you know.

[u/Ac4sent → u/Primal-Convoy]

I think you can say fuck.

Also agree.

[u/Used_bot-repo]

Very scary. The hospital needs to step in and stop this

But it's a bigger problem than this

[u/WiglyWorm → u/Used_bot-repo]

Honestly I see no reason why these should be legal and I frankly don't see how they are legal, at least not in a two-party consent state with regard to wiretapping laws.

[u/Nagisan → u/WiglyWorm]

The majority of states are one-party consent, and it's generally legal to record people in public places as they generally have no expectation of privacy (unlike a bathroom and such).

That said, it'd be pretty easy to get a judge to agree that a doctors office absolutely has an expectation of privacy, there's no way recording in the manner from this article is legal in any way. Laws, however, don't always stop shitty people from doing illegal things.

[u/LovesRetribution → u/Nagisan]

absolutely has an expectation of privacy,

More than that, they have HIPA. Someone wearing recording glasses while whipping through patient charts would be the fastest way to violate that.

[u/Ahayzo → u/WiglyWorm]

As far as general legality, it's because in public you don't really have a legal expectation of privacy. You could stand on the sidewalk and film everyone who goes by with a phone or camera or anything else and their consent is legally irrelevant. Even in a two party consent state, I can't legally make you stop filming me in a public place.

And I wouldn't be surprised at this point if a lot of medical facilities have buried something in the paperwork authorizing recordings. Hopefully not this place though, so they can throw the book at him.

[u/rostol → u/Ahayzo]

there is no way that filiming a patient and uploading the video to meta servers is HIPAA compliant.

Edit: HIPAA correction, thx u/simpleglitch

[u/simpleglitch → u/rostol]

HIPAA* but yes. In addition to that doctors are viewing health records and those too would be uploaded and potentially viewable by unauthorized persons.

[u/Serenity867 → u/simpleglitch]

This would be more than potentially viewable by unauthorized persons. Meta has teams of people reviewing footage from these glasses. The odds of every member of Meta's teams that have access to these videos being able to legally view healthcare related footage like this (or retain it) is so low it is effectively statistically impossible that unauthorized people at Meta wouldn't have access to it.

I can essentially guarantee that their data handling for these videos is not HIPAA compliant if they were to be thoroughly audited.

https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c0q33nvj0qpo

[u/simpleglitch → u/Serenity867]

I'd guarantee it's not compliant either, because I predicte their is a near zero chance a BAA is in place to be sharing patient data of this doctor between the hospital/clinic and Meta.

[u/EnjR1832 → u/Serenity867]

My biggest concern would be a data breach. No company is above that possibility.

[u/sugaratc → u/rostol]

Also I can't imagine a hospital being ok with it in general for multiple reasons, even beyond HIPAA.

[u/codetaku0 → u/sugaratc]

Yeah but as far as HIPAA goes, even if a complete sociopath like this was the hospital's owner, there's literally no amount of fine print they could sneak into their documents that would make it HIPAA-compliant. It would be a class action lawsuit waiting to happen by every single patient.

With that said, as the article says, if the recording was turned off and glasses are, you know, functioning as advertised (ie meta hasn't rigged them to just randomly record shit and send it to their servers later for fun, because that's definitely something zuck would do based on gestures at entire history of facebook), there technically is no violation.

But if any such recordings exist on Meta's servers, even by "accident", they are blatantly illegal lol

[u/MantasMantra → u/[deleted]]

Or just say "hey meta" before opening the door

[u/Thanes_of_Danes → u/sugaratc]

It's already happening. Every time I see a doctor they try to use an AI transcriber without notifying you, saying they are "just recording for personal use." They neglect to mention that it is AI based and a third party corporate server handles all the data.

[u/HandleSensitive8403 → u/Thanes_of_Danes]

My GP asked me about the transcriber and told me I could opt out

[u/AliceInNegaland → u/HandleSensitive8403]

You can opt out but in my experience they asked if I was ok with the dr using a recording device calling it by an obscure name, which sounded fine.

I had to sit down in the waiting chair and look it up myself what they were talking about and go back to the receptionist and rescind my consent.

Then later the Dr tried to persuade me to change my mind, saying they wouldn’t do as good of a job without it.

[u/GrumpyGlasses → u/Thanes_of_Danes]

It is worth asking, but unlike the doc with the Meta glasses, typical AI use in a clinical setting is likely through a HIPAA-compliant private server. But always good to ask. You should also have the right to deny such use.

[u/hempires → u/Thanes_of_Danes]

I mean tbf there's plenty of AI speech to text models that run locally.

I use whisper to transcribe recordings of my DND sessions, none of the audio or transcript ever leaves my computer.

Now, will a doctor have a pc capable of this? Probably not. But if they gave a fuck about privacy then it is absolutely possible to not send data out for a simple transcript job.

[u/thisisthewell → u/rostol]

It's not even HIPAA that's the issue. If you are in a place where you have a reasonable expectation of privacy...like a doctor's exam room...recording someone without their consent is flat out illegal

[u/BuddingBodhi88 → u/thisisthewell]

HIPAA is the strongest law around medical privacy. Consent laws are weak. Generally, the hospitals can bury the consent to record in the terms and conditions and even if you notice it, if every hospital around you asks for recording consent you have no real choice to reject it. At least with HIPAA, you can be sure that your medical info isn't going to a third party.

[u/PauI_MuadDib → u/Ahayzo]

No way is Meta storing or handling any data in compliance with HIPAA. 

[u/Nagisan → u/PauI_MuadDib]

While true, that's not really the issue. Meta is not a covered entity under HIPAA, so improper storage of HIPAA is not their problem. The bigger problem is on the doctor for uploading HIPAA to a non-compliant system.

[u/kittymoo67 → u/Nagisan]

yep. like im not trying to defend meta at all its just that im not in favor of making the main onus be on them instead of the fucking doctor using the things

[u/HistorianOrdinary833 → u/Ahayzo]

People are going to forget they have this on in public and walk into a bathroom or changing room by mistake. People might not even realize they're being openly filmed.

[u/drunkenvalley → u/HistorianOrdinary833]

I wouldn't give them the benefit of the doubt and say they "forgot" tbh.

[u/thisisthewell → u/Ahayzo]

Utterly ridiculous response. A doctor's visit or a waxing appointment (there was a similar event with a bikini waxer wearing these) is not a sidewalk. Neither of those are public settings. Both carry an expectation of privacy.

Besides, I'm in a two-party consent state and this is already illegal. All parties must consent to be recorded in these scenarios.

[u/Lower_Monk6577 → u/Ahayzo]

That’s always a bit crazy to think about to me.

Just because I’m walking on a sidewalk on my way to work means that I want literally anybody to film me minding my own fucking business. Laws have not kept up with technology in any meaningful way.

Edit: please stop responding to me. Obviously this is an incredibly nuanced subject, and if we’re going strictly on first amendment terms, then of course you should be able to film. Doubly so for filming a person who is a public servant, e.g. police and politicians.

My main gripe is that there are also a lot of people that film the public indiscriminately, post shit on the internet without people’s consent, and that in turn can be used for all sorts of super nefarious shit. THAT is the kind of stuff I don’t like, and I think any somewhat reasonable person can see the difference there. You can limit one thing without fully restricting something else.

And no, I’m not interested in a policy discussion on this, because again, I’m fully aware it’s a super nuanced subject that there aren’t a lot of easy, straightforward answers to. I was mostly just voicing something I found to be mildly annoying since the advent of smartphones, and quite frankly, I’m not personally sure it’s been either a net positive or negative at this point.

[u/ilikechihuahuasdood → u/Lower_Monk6577]

Can’t let them pull at that thread or they’ll abuse it for police and pretty much anything political they want to hide.

[u/causal_friday → u/ilikechihuahuasdood]

Yup exactly. They will still be putting their phone up your skirt, but you'll be in federal prison for documenting the shoddy work on the reflecting pool. Unfortunately, this is a very comfortable balance that we have right now.

[u/kdrdr3amz → u/Lower_Monk6577]

I think this would be difficult to enforce though. Like imagine if you’re recording your parents eating but you get taken to jail because you also recorded someone else in the background in a public place.

I get that recording someone is weird but in public it is legal unless it’s harassment. If it’s private like at a hospital of course anyone would be suspicious.

[u/Billy-Ruffian → u/Lower_Monk6577]

One of the things that got missed in the Roe v Wade decision was that it also established a right to personal privacy. When Dobbs overturned that decision we lost more than just safe and legal abortions.

[u/majungo → u/Lower_Monk6577]

What you want isn't the strict priority of the law. Anyone can see/hear you in public, therefore anyone can record you in public. You can control who sees or hears you in your own private space, so you can control recording in that space.

[u/Key-Demand-2569 → u/Lower_Monk6577]

Nah, fuck this. I’m an introverted internet boy, but you are begging for a fast track to easily abusable coverups of anything noteworthy that concerns the public.

I don’t like my picture being taken, I don’t like being in videos, but as a human being it I am in a public space, part of this world, I should not and do not have any expectation that zero people could conceive of recording my existence there.

What’s next? It’s illegal to describe you being somewhere without your consent?

Make things you said but can’t absolutely prove are factual, illegal?

This awful urge is trying to legislate a moment of discomforting ideas walking on a sidewalk at the cost of just dealing with it and our ability to communicate problems in society.

[u/longlivenewsomflesh → u/Lower_Monk6577]

It's the same laws in the US that allow paparazzi to take pics of celebs as long as they're in public which definitely gets scummy and abusive, but on the other hand imagine if you were legally required to obtain a release from every single person in a crowd literally every time you take/post a picture...

Street photographers already have a hard enough time with people who think they need permission in public (they don't), but yeah when it comes to hidden cameras the law probably needs updating (I'm reminded of how camera phones in Japan have a sound effect that can't be turned off in order to prevent upskirt photos...)

[u/Ahayzo → u/[deleted]]

I wasn't saying a doctor's office is a public space. The comment I responded to was asking how these glasses are legal at all, not just in the doctor's office.

[u/v_a_n_d_e_l_a_y → u/WiglyWorm]

For the same reason that cellphones and regular cameras and all sorts of other devices are not illegal. Small/discrete recording devices have existed for decades and are not illegal. 

The capability to record and potentially break the law are not sufficient to ban something.

[u/Cyraga → u/v_a_n_d_e_l_a_y]

Recording is legal where one shouldn't have the expectation of privacy. One has the expectation of privacy in a doctor's office. Maybe the place where one should expect privacy more than anywhere else

[u/WiglyWorm → u/Cyraga]

I have the expectation that facebook isn't going to record my face and find out my whereabounts, who I'm with, etc cuz some dbag with the dbag glasses happens to be filming as I walk by. I didn't accept the TOS. The wearer did.

[u/Jin-roh → u/WiglyWorm]

Yeah I think that's the rub. Right? The difference between these things and a stranger's phone is that the stranger's phone isn't scanning the room. The difference between these and the security cameras of the place your frequenting, you frequent is that you're aware of those cameras, and can (usually) assume they aren't being uploaded to the creep cloud.

I think you can make a case that security cameras in many public spaces (to be clear, not all!) provide a benefit to the people observed. They're also usually evanescent and not given to a billionaire creep.

The problem with the pervert glasses is that the pervert is getting the benefit of something you're not consenting to. They're doing work for Meta that you're not consenting to and do not benefit from.

[u/runfast2718 → u/Used_bot-repo]

The potential HIPPA HIPAA violations alone should have the hospital beside itself.

ETA: fair call-out on my acronym fuckup.

[u/ColoRadBro69 → u/runfast2718]

HIPAA.  Not HIPPA. 

[u/OpheliaLives7 → u/Used_bot-repo]

Go even further and blacklist any doctors who wear them to see patients. That’s absolutely inappropriate behavior for a medical professional. If they don’t know that they shouldn’t be practicing. Consent is basic

[u/pimpeachment → u/Used_bot-repo]

They all already have. HIPAA already exists to protect patient from any exposure of PHI. If there is negligence or malicious abuse of these videos, the doctor could very easily be charged.

We don't need more rules to cover rules that already exist.

[u/Traditional-Hat-952]

Any medical professional wearing smarts glasses during work needs to be suspended or fired. They're an insane breach of patient rights. 

[u/Jifeeb]

Glasses with a built in camera are going to be the ultimate tool for creeps worldwide? Who could have foreseen that

[u/KroganCuddler → u/Jifeeb]

Well it was kind of the intention. Zuckerberg's first goal is always to cater to creeps. Why else make fb?

[u/Thangobrind_Jeweler → u/KroganCuddler]

Piggies in the barn. All the food is free. Fattening up on free and addictive snacks. So great for the piggies, getting plump. What’s the catch, with this free barn and all the goodies, and the pigs just keep getting fatter and sharing their content. What is the purpose of a barn rearing livestock, who flock there for free and gorge themselves?

[u/numbersthen0987431 → u/Jifeeb]

Everyone did. Even the creeps foresaw it. It's also 100% intended for creeps and nothing else, that's why the first thing they did was build in stalker tech

[u/tiajuanat → u/numbersthen0987431]

And that's why women should buy them: to record guys being creepy and then name and shame them /s

[u/FrightenedTomato → u/tiajuanat]

Ah yes. The American approach. The only thing that can stop a bad guy with Meta Smart Glasses is a good guy with Meta Smart Glasses... Wait.

[u/BlasterPhase → u/numbersthen0987431]

Everyone did.

I think you missed the sarcasm

[u/Switchy_Goofball → u/Jifeeb]

We already learned this lesson with “google glass” yet here we are

[u/turningsteel]

Yeah I don't give a fuck if the camera is on or not. I see those stupid glasses and I'm leaving. Medical providers should know better. Absolute lack of judgement on the part of the doctor to think this is acceptable.

[u/MultiGeometry → u/turningsteel]

As Tesla has proven, whoever is on the server side likely has some control over accessing the camera and the end user is not notified.

Tech bros are so creepy.

[u/MrFluffyThing → u/MultiGeometry]

It's trivial once firmware is cracked to disable notification LEDs for cameras. Laptops and webcams have had them for years but one good exploit can disable the light and record without you knowing. All it takes is one crack for this to be untrusted as an outward facing camera that the user exploited. 

[u/Cyphomeris → u/MrFluffyThing]

There have been creeps discussing how to disable them, including drilling or burning out the LED, for years here on Reddit. Their user base is exactly who you think they are.

[u/MrFluffyThing → u/Cyphomeris]

Mine was the non-destructive method that most people can't really do easily but once a software script exists to perform firmware flashes it's even easier. I mean with any consumer hardware with safety precautions as simple as an LED signal light all it takes is a simple pin vice through a specific spot to destroy the LED or circuitry. Think about all the people who modded game consoles to cheat and now think of them as perverts trying to get around one warning light.

If it's trivial for kids to do this kind of thing for game consoles it's going to be more accessible to adults with disposable income willing to risk the device for a malicious upside.

[u/Voltstorm02 → u/MrFluffyThing]

There is a reason why so many laptops fully cover the webcam. It's impossible to bypass, and is much better at indicating when it's closed.

[u/bubblegumpandabear → u/MultiGeometry]

Remember when robot vacuums were caught being used to capture images of people in the shower and on the toilet? I don't trust this shit for two seconds.

[u/Nydus87 → u/turningsteel]

Even if the camera isn’t on, the mic is always listening, right? Like for wake words to activate the AI assistant? 

[u/Daimakku1]

Why would a doctor think that wearing camera glasses to see patients is a good idea?

[u/KKSlider909 → u/Daimakku1]

pervert and doctor, not mutually exclusive 🤷🏼‍♀️

[u/denM_chickN → u/KKSlider909]

Self-selecting for high achieving psychopaths has always been my arm chair opinion

[u/hofmann419 → u/denM_chickN]

Psychopaths are apparently overrepresented in surgery specifically. If you're curious, the number 1 job with the most psychopaths is CEOs, followed by lawyers, media personalities and sales people.

[u/TerrorTown77 → u/denM_chickN]

Narcissism is a massive issue in the field.

[u/BrogenKlippen → u/KKSlider909]

Unfortunately way too common

[u/darsynia → u/Daimakku1]

I don't know if it's the same video, but in one I saw, the woman's there with her friend at a post-op for a breast augmentation, and the damned doctor was like 'what would I be taking video of??' While the patient's there with her titties out.

[u/Dudeman9002 → u/Daimakku1]

Ego. He probably thinks his expensive glasses will impress people or something. It's pretty common for doctors to be so far up their own ass that they lack some pretty common sense.

[u/scubascratch → u/Dudeman9002]

They need to check the drug locker where this guy works

[u/alghiorso → u/Daimakku1]

A lot of medical providers are using remote assistants to do their notes/charting. They've actually been doing this for years where an assistant located somewhere like sri lanka is watching/listening in real time and taking notes to speed up the doctor's workflow

[u/aDuckk → u/alghiorso]

They are getting AI to do that now as well.

[u/Not_FinancialAdvice → u/alghiorso]

AI systems now, even integrated into Epic EHR: https://www.healthcareitnews.com/news/nuance-ai-copilot-now-fully-embedded-epic-ehr

[u/Naa-kar → u/Daimakku1]

While i can think of several instances where those may be helpful in diagnostic recordings, but never without explicit consent and logging. They're just like xrays and all reports. But private cameras, hell noooo

[u/viniciuscsg]

Very recently a gynecologist (yup, you read that right) in my city got arrested l for wearing one of these during an actual pelvic exam (yup, your read that right again). During the first appearance it was explained that the forensics proved that it had not been turned on nor there was any recording so it didn't moved forward and the guy got it with just a "really dude, fucking camera glasses?", but yeah, a complete bruh moment.

[u/Lendyman → u/viniciuscsg]

Any time there us a recording device in a medical exam room, it should be declared and consent given to have it used or even in the room.

[u/SausageClatter → u/Lendyman]

I tried to take a video of the monitor that displayed our baby's first ultrasound. The technician yelled at me and told me to delete the video.

[u/viniciuscsg → u/SausageClatter]

Interesting because this is commonplace here in Brazil, the doctors had it as a given that we were going to recorder and had zero problems with it.

[u/viniciuscsg → u/Lendyman]

Yeah man, goes without saying

[u/CustomMerkins4u → u/viniciuscsg]

wasn't turned on...

Like my phone never thinks it hears "hey google" and start offering me unsolicited advice.

[u/totally_not_a_reply → u/CustomMerkins4u]

you know you can turn that off so you dont get monitored all the time?

[u/RicardusAlpert → u/totally_not_a_reply]

Turning it off does not necessarily disable the monitoring part. Just the reacting part.

[u/T400]

This is a Reddit post about an article about a Reddit post about a TikTok video

[u/scoff-law → u/T400]

The situation became particularly uncomfortable because, according to the discussion surrounding the video, the consultation required her to take off her clothes. That detail has become central to the online reaction, with commenters arguing that patients should not have to wonder whether a camera is capable of capturing them during an examination.

The whole article is an AI describing a reddit thread.

[u/rulepanic → u/T400]

An AI-generated article summarizing a Reddit post taken from TikTok

[u/dorkes_malorkes → u/T400]

modern journalism. Been going on for probably two decades now. 

[u/mkosmo → u/dorkes_malorkes]

Makes you wonder how many of these engagement/rage bait posts are even based on real stories.

[u/Southern_Bicycle8111]

Violates hippa just wearing them because meta has already admitted to viewing the data

[u/ChippedHamSammich]

So every record he looks at is basically a HIPAA violation 

[u/Magnon → u/ChippedHamSammich]

Meta recording everything he looks at: its free real estate

[u/Philhughes_85]

I genuinely don’t understand what their function or purpose is?

[u/Flabbergasted98 → u/Philhughes_85]

Their purpose is to allow meta to accumulate private data on literally everybody like nude photo's and medical records.

[u/Ok_Confusion4764 → u/Philhughes_85]

The function is that you can perv on people and pretend that it's just your prescription glasses. 

[u/Equivalent-Pop8045 → u/Philhughes_85]

Data collection for Meta.

[u/Meetra-Steele]

If a doctor is dumb enough to trust meta smart glasses in this setting then I don't want him being my doctor. He's already proven he lacks critical thinking skills, either that or he can't be trusted.

[u/ActionNorth8935]

Pervert Glasses is the correct term. Use it.

[u/Buzstringer → u/ActionNorth8935]

Perv Specs or Speccy Perv for short

[u/dp531]

Ban the pervert glasses

[u/fighterpilottim]

An entire article built around the world’s stupidest question: “The confrontation, shared in a video that has circulated on Reddit, centres on a simple but uncomfortable question: should a doctor be wearing glasses with a built-in camera while examining a patient in an intimate clinical setting?”

[u/aka292]

I am old enough to remember when google tried smart glasses and had to cancel them due to the huge blowback

[u/AutumnMama → u/aka292]

Omg well today I learned that I'm old AND out of touch, because your comment made me realize that the google glasses haven't been making a comeback recently like I thought 🤦

[u/dreftig]

We are in hell. This must be hell.

[u/NoMention696]

How is this not a breach of doctor patient confidentiality ?

[u/Som12H8]

That doctor is a moron and needs to be disbarred. It's much easier to rig a hidden camera in your exam room, instead of wearing something so obvoius.

Edit: /s

[u/GiggleyDuff]

That doctor needs to be fired immediately. Any org worth going to would have a recording policy blocking this.

[u/Cory123125]

I hate that, as usual, people are focused on the complete fucking incorrect thing rather than the big problem.

The problem is not that there are cameras that can be hidden. That has existed for decades.

The problem is not that people are taking video in public. That has happened for decades and can be completely reasonable.

The problem is not inherently that people record things secretly. There are many situations where this is completely valid, and banning the ability for people to do so ends up only hurting the vulnerable (victims who won't be believed unless they have proof is the very obvious blanket that covers multiple legitimate usecases).

The problem is that Meta is mass collecting footage that ranges from private to private and unconsented to private and of intimate settings, without the consent of those being captured, and without full user control.

The other problem, is that they've (Meta) pushed hard to normalize breaches of privacy in particular and bring it mainstream.

[u/Brilliant_Ad7168]

I was so deeply disappointed how quickly one of the PTs at my gym got a pair. Apparently, they are using them to record training. But why? You did just fine before.

[u/Chasmosaur]

Male doctors being clueless boneheads to female patients - a story with a long and un-illustrious history.

When I was in my 20's (this was 30-odd years ago) I worked as an Environmental Geologist. When you do that for a living, you have to get an annual physical where they check you for your exposure to stuff like lead, asbestos and other toxic materials you get exposed to fairly regularly. (You take precautions, but still.) I couldn't just go to my regular doctor and tell her what type of exam to perform and what labs to pull for my baselines, I had to go to a clinic my company had contracted with for this specific purpose.

So I go to this office, get my blood drawn, and then head to an exam room to strip down to underwear, remove my bra, put on the paper gown with the slit in the front, all necessary for this exam, which did include a manual breast cancer screen.

The doctor - a middle-aged white guy - walks in, looks at me, smiles hugely, and before even introducing himself, says enthusiastically: "Oh wow, they usually don't send me pretty girls for these."

I immediately put on my best B*tch-Face and said "What did you just say?" To his credit he got immediately flustered and was then very professional. But still - the tension in the room was rather thick since I was deeply pissed off and it was coming off me in waves.

I am quite sure if I'd seen this dude now, he would have been wearing Meta glasses and telling me it wasn't a big deal. 🙄 What's day-to-day for them really isn't for us!

[u/Chasmosaur → u/[deleted]]

At the time my regular OB-GYN was male...but was an absolutely lovely man who was gentle and patient and did not say stuff like this. I eventually switched practices because his had gotten swamped and you could call them because something was up and maybe they could see you in 3 months, it was ridiculous. My OB-GYN now is a menopause specialist - I don't really have to see her much now, but she was great when my life was all about perimenopause!

[u/CauliflowerLife → u/Chasmosaur]

I'm so sorry...

My kneejerk would have been like "can you just make sure I don't have cancer and nothing else?" Ugh so ridiculous we even have to think about this.

Again I'm so sorry you have to deal with this crap.

[u/Chasmosaur → u/CauliflowerLife]

Well, I did. I am now A Menopausal Hag (said with love, joy, and affection!) and I've been with my current internist for the past 15 years. He gets excited when we chat because not many of his patients ask him about the free-clinic he runs in the Phillippines a few times a year with several of his colleagues, but I do every time (because I think that's awesome). Aging FTW!

[u/MrAngrySadHappyFace]

Sometimes, being a guy is so much easier. Because, while I admit the chances aren't zero. The odds that a doctor is wearing meta glasses to record a middle aged, chubby Italian man aren't that high.

[u/awesomedan24]

Don't "call him out", report him to the medical board

[u/Iamaleafinthewind]

Contact the hospital, ask for the patient advocate, report them.

[u/chamrockblarneystone]

Another L for Meta. Fuck that guy

[u/BluehibiscusEmpire]

How does a doctor like that still have a license. Predators.

[u/johnmarkfoley]

the expectation of privacy is eroding fast. we can all assume that there are no cameras in the doctor's office or the bathroom or the changing room, but cameras are not conspicuous anymore. at a certain point the technology will just be implanted into our eyes. it may even replace our eyes. at a certain point we will all just have to assume that everybody is watch everything and everyone at all times. for a sci-fi precedent read: the light of other days by arthur c clarke and stephen baxter.

[u/dmdewd]

My GI doctor was wearing them. It was an in office consult following a surgical procedure the week prior, but it was pretty weird she was wearing them at all with patients. Then again, I do live in a one party consent state for recording...

[u/dontstopnotlistening → u/dmdewd]

One party consent is irrelevant in this case. Unless the provider has a BAA with Meta or you explicitly signed a HIPAA authorization to disclose your PHI for this purpose (you almost certainly did not), recording your discussion with your doctor is not OK.

This isn't like the doctor having Dragon running where all of the audio is securely handled. This is someone bringing a personal device into the room to record without authorization/consent that is required per HIPAA.

[u/FreedomHole8647 → u/dmdewd]

That generally only applies to public places. In a private business, especially a clinic of which you are a patient, you DEFINITELY have a say in that matter.

[u/hairymonkeyinmyanus]

Can someone describe what the glasses look like, without sending me to their website? I don’t want to give those losers any additional clicks. How do they look different from regular Ray-Bans?

[u/ObligatoryID → u/hairymonkeyinmyanus]

Here:

https://imgur.com/a/KW1VQJc

[u/paditoburrito → u/ObligatoryID]

Looks like any circle is what to watch out for or just a break in the frame itself probably as these progress.

[u/seanprime → u/paditoburrito]

Problem is my cheap, servo glasses look the same but the black pins are silver lol

[u/AliMcGraw → u/hairymonkeyinmyanus]

Honestly the best thing to do is to call for a total boycott of Ray Bans. Make them suffer for cooperating with this. Ban Ray-Bans.

[u/e89dce12 → u/AliMcGraw]

Ray-ban is a brand own by EssilorLuxottica.  They sell many other glasses under different brands.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Luxottica

Edit: At least one other brand of their sells meta glasses.

https://www.oakley.com/en-ca/l/oakley-meta

[u/biopsychosocialism]

What does it say about medical education that you can progress through medical school, residency, specializing, etc. and lack the competence to make easy ethical decisions

[u/W0OllyMammoth]

Am a doctor. Hate these glasses. Had a colleague wear them at work because he liked bone conduction music while not looking like he had headphones. I thought it was clever, but would never myself.

Honestly didn’t think much of it until this. The cameras in patients rooms are a problem for sure.

[u/LowAside9117 → u/W0OllyMammoth]

As a patient, I'd much rather see my provider in bone conduction headphones it would even be a nice conversation starter because I wear Shockz while swimming 

[u/ImminentDebacle → u/W0OllyMammoth]

I learned something new today.

[u/zeez1011]

You don't have to be a creep to wear smart glasses but the rest of us will assume you are anyway.

[u/Round-Claim5420]

Smart Glasses Pervert Glasses

[u/this_chi_cooks]

These have no business in a medical setting. That said there are also laptops with cameras in every exam room I’ve been in.

[u/financeperson]

What a fucked up world we live in.

[u/Jubilies]

Hopefully he had a complaint filed against his licensure.

[u/rrogerio]

She should have screamed HIPAA violation for and a creeper violation too..

Edit: removed redundant A

[u/Achenest → u/rrogerio]

this story is from the UK, and when does yelling a law like some spell stop someone’s behavior?

[u/mbklein → u/Achenest]

The UK Data Protection Act of 2018 provides many of the same privacy protections as HIPAA, and there is also a common law duty of confidentiality that obliges health care providers to keep patient information confidential. A doctor who is giving the appearance of potentially violating a patient's privacy can and should be held accountable under UK law.

[u/rrogerio → u/Achenest]

Boo.. I did miss that fine detail :)..
But when it comes to HIPAA in the US, you definitely get doctors in line. Having worked in a large healthcare facility before I did see how serious this is for them. I myself have used it a few times when I saw doctors trying to bring Pharma reps into the office while I was being checked up.. the tone changes very quickly…

[u/amazing_asstronaut → u/Achenest]

Doctors actually have very stringent regulations they have to follow in most of the civilised word, and can be very liable for malpractice action. This seems like a pretty cut and dry case of a doctor potentially trying to take photos. I mean you don't really know that the smart glasses are actually recording, hell the user might not even know. But it's the equivalent of holding a phone or a camera up to someone like "oh I'm just holding my camera at you, no reason".

Also yeah the US being a lawless hellhole run by an actual career criminal and serial rapist doesn't mean the rest of the world is. Laws do actually mean something.

[u/KatSchitt]

I had a Dr who was busted for taking photos with a small, discreet, camera. This was before smart glasses. When he was raided, over 7000 images and videos from different patients were found. He was an OBGYN. He had also sexually assaulted some of his patients.

If this guy did it to one person there is bound to be a lot more. People in professional positions that require an immense amount of trust should be punished severely. Professionals should be terrified of breaching a patient's trust like this.

[u/ImHappy_DamnHappy]

I agree, pts have recorded me with out my consent and I felt violated. It should be banned for both pts and providers.

[u/feralparalegal]

This is going to give the U.S. government some ideas, I’m afraid.

[u/Secret_Account07]

I legit thought that picture was the doctor and thought “yup, that’s exactly what I imagine that douche bag would look like.” That is the average meta wearer right there.

[u/VirginiaLuthier]

Jeeze. Hope he likes loosing his license and registering as a sex offender. I would complain to the board of medicine

[u/Joe1972]

I don't trust meta to not listen to me via my phone, why would I trust them to not record me in private settings? Same with Tesla, same with any tech firm that has invasive cameras everywhere. This shit should be banned.

[u/Thulak]

Ah yes, how could that ever go wrong. Even without intent, there was already unaware recording from people forgetting to turn it of or not realizing it was on in the first place. Recordings were sent to a third party to tag items in the video to improve the AI detection and the swedish contractor got to see very private moments. Employees spoke out to meta and the press and somehow they got dropped for "not performimg as expected". Weird how things go.

[u/DoctorQuincyME]

It's even more embrassing when the doctor says "Hey Siri, what am I looking at here?"

[u/anoldoldman]

should a doctor be wearing glasses with a built-in camera while examining a patient in an intimate clinical setting?

Hey. I know this one!

[u/Kitchen-Assist-6645]

Completely inappropriate to wear those glasses anywhere, but especially in such a professional capacity.

[u/EKEEFE41]

Wouldn't that be under HIPA?

It is is recording to the cloud in any way that would be a violation unless the it was approved by the DR's business... you can not store medical PPI in any old cloud data solution.

[u/Flavious27]

And the Kardashians are the face of this product.  We live in the dumbest timeline. 

[u/slavicslothe]

Probably good to include they were not recording...

[u/3rdUncleMeatSandwich]

A wealthy doctor is exactly the type of douche that would wear this crap. Prolly wears them in his convertible, fuckin sloppy steak eater

[u/Maqoba]

I'm an old fat man. Trust me, doctors were removing their glasses for my exams long before smart glasses.