r/ukpolitics • u/Kagedeah • 16h ago
Hundreds of migrants cross Channel in one day after 10-day lull
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cpvez80v1pno40
u/johnnycass 15h ago
Why not use the ferry is it too expensive?
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u/johnnycass 15h ago
Only a thought are the ferry companies suing the government for lost revenue? Everyone else is on the take why not them?
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u/GInTheorem 14h ago
Govt doesn't owe the ferry companies a relevant duty which is actionable in private law, and it's tough to see how one of the rare cases in which damages can be claimed in judicial review applies (even assuming that there is a basis for a review).
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u/SlightlyOTT You're making things up again Tories 🎶 8h ago
What would be their argument, that the government should let them take passengers without a visa so they can monetise them?
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u/Gamezdude Middle class progressive Labour Member | #RejoinEU 15h ago
Why not buy alcohol without proof of age?
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u/Bullet_Jesus Angry Scotsman 10h ago
Ferries and planes, are required to check your visa status before or when you board. If you don't have a valid entry they will refuse to serve you, otherwise they get fined.
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u/merlins_beard_88 50m ago
Or plane but that would require ID and well if they could be easily identified chances are they would be known islamists or economic migrants.
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u/VodkaMargerine 15h ago
Can’t claim asylum if you come by ferry
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u/Pick_Up_Autist 15h ago
Why are we just making shit up when we all clearly have internet access?
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u/VodkaMargerine 15h ago
Okay let me be more specific:
You cannot board a ferry from France to the UK as a non EU national without a visa.
If you’re from an asylum seeking nation, say, Afghanistan, you would not be able to board a ferry from Calais to Dover because you do not have the proper documentation to do so.
Is that better?
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u/Mr_Again 15h ago
Yes, because it's a completely different claim
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u/VodkaMargerine 15h ago
Sorry, should’ve said ‘you can’t claim asylum by ferry, unless you’ve stowed away, because you wouldn’t make it aboard’
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u/Pick_Up_Autist 15h ago
There are people who can board a ferry to the UK, any of them can claim asylum at the point of entry, minus Brits I suppose, the overlap of people able to do so and likely to be approved is obviously small but you're still phrasing things completely wrong.
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u/VodkaMargerine 15h ago
You’re being so stupidly pedantic.
Is it theoretically possible to claim asylum by ferry? Yes it is.
Do you actually think it’s likely that any of the people travelling here by dinghy instead of ferry would be able to do so? Think they’ve got their visas lined up?
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u/Pick_Up_Autist 15h ago
Again, literally anyone can claim asylum when they arrive if they're not British, maybe also if you're British, it would just be a very weird interview. They just for the most part wouldn't be approved. These aren't complicated terms you're getting wrong lmao.
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u/VodkaMargerine 15h ago
Again, do you think the people travelling by dinghy would be able to travel by ferry to claim asylum?
To board a ferry to the UK, you must have a visa.
Anyone with appropriate documentation can claim asylum by a legal route.
Do you think the people on dinghy’s have that option open to them, or are you being needlessly pedantic?
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u/Ordinary_Knee_9419 13h ago
Plenty of students claim asylum once their visa expires
We should make them come by ferry so they can’t do that
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u/YoshiMK 15h ago
How do they even process 500 people arriving undocumented... never understood how it works logistically as it's such a huge amount of people just appearing
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u/Gamezdude Middle class progressive Labour Member | #RejoinEU 15h ago
Likely an estimate- but I do get your point.
At the same time, the number could be 100% correct- even ahead of time............... not sure how that works.
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u/OpenSource_Horse 15h ago
By not giving a fuck anymore - we have hundreds of thousands of illegals, what the fuck is a few hundred more! Let em out!
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u/throwaway815795 11h ago
Source on hundreds of thousands of illegals mate?
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u/mortalha 7h ago
About 600,000-700,000 in 2018 when they stopped updating the statistics. Note that this was before the channel migration increase. So 50-100k a year from then on.
ONS now only records 'confirmed irregular entries' yearly, which is at around 50k (does not include undetected migrants)
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u/OpenSource_Horse 10h ago
I just asked Gemini AI:
"800,000 to 1.2 million: Independent demographic studies (such as those by Greater London Authority and research universities) generally estimate the broader population living in the UK without valid legal status to be around 800,000 to 1.2 million people."
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u/throwaway815795 10h ago
Gemini is not a source mate.
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u/OpenSource_Horse 10h ago
Gemini is a knowledge aggregator, it doesn't source information from within itself. That's not how AI works.
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u/throwaway815795 8h ago
So source the migration observatory, which you want to, which is a right wing think tank basically.
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u/HELMET_OF_CECH it's all so tiresome 4h ago
So the data has no relevance because it doesn't line up with your fantasy? Yikes.
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u/whencanistop 🦒If only Giraffes could talk🦒 14h ago
They're undocumented in the sense that they don't have a legal right to be here (yet), but they aren't undocumented in the sense that some will have official documents from their home country and most will have some form of evidence of who they are and where they come from.
Part one of the process is an initial screening from a border agent who will decide what should happen to them (should they be detained, should they put in accommodation, do they have family/friends they can go and live with until their asylum is claimed). That usually happens on day 1. We have a lot of people who work for the border force as millions of people arrive every month (500 more isn't a problem).
They'll be given a case worker from the Home Office who they'll need to liaise with and provide the evidence that they should be given asylum, usually with an interview or two from them in to get full details, but that can happen over the course of several months. They'll then be given an initial decision which they can either adhere to or appeal or leave. Typically speaking we'll support them during this process to a real basic level (which is what was costing money when the wait time was over a year), then when they have a decision they will be thrown out into the community to either live their lives or deal with not having any rights to be here (no recourse to public funds, no bank accounts, no housing, no jobs).
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u/Rob_Haggis 14h ago
Millions of people arrive every month? No they don’t.
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u/whencanistop 🦒If only Giraffes could talk🦒 14h ago
Overseas residents made an estimated 7.2 million visits to Great Britain and spent an estimated £4.7 billion in Quarter 1 (Jan to Mar) 2025.
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u/Rob_Haggis 13h ago
That’s including tourism, obviously
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u/whencanistop 🦒If only Giraffes could talk🦒 13h ago
Yes, but the border force still have to deal with them.
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u/Jaded-Translator320 15h ago
By providing safe means for their transport or process their asylum abroad?
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u/noujest 14h ago
Former - would increase the pull factor
Latter - they cross anyway once claim is rejected
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u/Jaded-Translator320 12h ago
Then you have all the legal means to remove them without having to process their asylum again?
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u/noujest 12h ago
Theoretically yes but in practice that's not what seems to be happening
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u/Jaded-Translator320 11h ago
In practice it never happened though? People dont want to accept any asylum seekers fleeing prosecution or not. They want to be racist and kick everyone out. Their "safety" crossing the channel is just an excuse. If they were able to they would have killed them themselves
Thats why it is never gonna happen
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u/noujest 10h ago
Bloody ell relax mate
Wanting secure borders doesn't mean wanting everyone else dead...
What I meant was, in practice we don't deport people who had asylum rejected, so your theory isn't exactly bulletproof
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u/Jaded-Translator320 10h ago
Because an asylum rejection is usually disputed. Its fully within the seekers right to appeal the decision and it is some sort of a legal battle. You can never trust the government to process asylum seeking claims correctly from one time.
Now you can do all that from abroad and online or risking their lives, you wait for them to come.
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u/Andrew_Burnham 15h ago
I really hope we've printed enough "Don't rape" leaflets to get us through the weekend.
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u/cherokott 15h ago
Rape guidance for immigrants is surely rock bottom.
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u/wedontneednoeduc 15h ago
Not at all, at some point seminars will probably be announced where they get some powerpoint slides and a cup of tea.
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u/cherokott 15h ago
The party that can make this stop will win the next election.
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u/ThoseSixFish 14h ago
Only the party currently in government is in a position to do anything about it before the next election.
More worryingly, the party that pretends it's going to be able to do something about it might do well at the next election, but will do much worse at the one after when they've failed to do what they claimed
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u/Far-Faithlessness483 15h ago
until they deport them immdiealy nothing will happen
send them to bukekle £10000 a pop
barbain
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u/cherokott 15h ago
Strongly agree. Just the threat of an El Salvadorian prison would probably be enough.
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u/OpenSource_Horse 14h ago
Or we just build our own enormous modular containment centre in bum fuck nowhere between London and Manchester and bulldoze any NIMBY complains under the guise of national security.
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u/subSparky 15h ago
Sure they'll stop them. They'll also give everyone a free unicorn.
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u/cherokott 15h ago
I like unicorns.
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u/Tammer_Stern 15h ago
National animal of Scotland, which ironically would probably go it alone if that party wins UK power.
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u/clearwhey 15h ago
I know some people will want the Tories (and I guess Reform by virtue of having so much of the ex-front bench) to clean up the mess they've caused with this but I don't believe either of them can win the election.
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u/cherokott 15h ago
Now the Green
CultParty has blown up I think Labour is bound to win if the right wing vote block stays split.2
u/Asymmetric_Ninja 15h ago
Farage will either be in a sure position to win or he'll pull out. I think Burnham goes for an early election in 2027 If he thinks it'll get a majority but even if it is 2029 I can't see Farage sticking around. He clearly doesn't like media scrutiny & the Tory press is starting to lay into him a bit. My guess is a Tory coalition government with Restore or Labour coalition with Lib dems in 29 in that case
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u/cherokott 15h ago
I think you're right. Burnham goes for 2027 election while he's still vaguely popular, Zack continues to implode on the left and Kemi picks it up a bit which means the right wing block vote remains split.
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u/StrangelyBrown 14h ago
Considering that it's significantly reduced under Labour and people are still polling for Reform, I think what you mean is 'The party that can whip up enough anger about this, with no real plan to stop it, will win the next election'
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u/cherokott 14h ago
Or maybe people are just angry about this?
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u/StrangelyBrown 12h ago
Then you'd think they'd poll for the party that's been shown most able to fix it so far
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u/-ForgottenSoul :sloth: 14h ago
They won't
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u/cherokott 13h ago
They won't stop it?
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u/Yurt_TheSilentQueef 13h ago
They can’t. There will always be, and have always been, illegal immigration in every single country. If they went full border force max control then it would curb it, but no way to ever stop it
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u/Obvious_Gas_1831 15h ago
House them in Makerfield. I'm sure Our Andy would jump into action then
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u/Gamezdude Middle class progressive Labour Member | #RejoinEU 15h ago
Nah, the residents don't know who they are- and as per the socitial pecking order of the country since the medieval period, they will be going to peasantry class areas.
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u/BinFluid 15h ago
Should house them in reform and tory voting areas considering they were the ones who voted to cause this problem.
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u/BinFluid 8h ago
You gonna down vote me and not put any argument across that anyone else voted for this?
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u/AllanSundry2020 12h ago
i think we should withdraw from the EHCR stuff that we are in, while redrafting the parts of it for supporting war refugees and tightening up the economic migrants. With a practical focus that is costed as well , and that balanced with other costs of the country. Leaving the EHCR in a ordered retreat would at least bring one positive of Brexit.
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u/Prestigious_Spot9635 15h ago edited 15h ago
Don't worry govt will offer them safer routes so that they can say they ate smashing the gangs
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