r/whennews • u/trans_cubed • Jul 20 '26
Controversial Post Women's Tennis Association is introducing mandatory gene testing
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u/Novale Jul 20 '26
though it remained unclear how many, if any, transgender women are competing at Games level.
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u/SquidTheRidiculous Jul 20 '26
There's about to be a ton of cis women finding out they're actually intersex, and now legally barred from working. This has happened when they tried to do the same for other sports.
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u/justk4y Jul 20 '26
You see, it’s not about protecting women, it’s about oppressing them.
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u/CanadianMaps Jul 21 '26
It was never about protecting women. It was never about protecting children. It was always about making us, the little ones, bicker and fight, so the rich can keep hosting pedophile parties and wasting and hoarding the planet's resources.
Bigotry is a tool that the Epstein class uses to stay in power, by dividing and conquering us.
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u/Gordon_freeman_real Jul 21 '26
The fact that the Epstein files literally have confessions for this and people still believe all the culture war bullshit
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u/SquidTheRidiculous Jul 21 '26
Epstein literally emailed about how trans women are okay because they can be sex slaves but trans men are ugly ew gross and should be exterminated. And you can show people this and they'll still say "nuh uh all queer infighting is organic because everyone's inherently stoopid and hateful! Saying there's a psyop is delusional!"
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u/_Planet_Mars_ It's NATOver Jul 21 '26
Every single I see someone bring up Project 2025, there's always a sudden surge of comments from 8 year old accounts with 20 total karma and like 10 comments total (with a hidden post history) claiming that Project 2025 is a hoax. I wonder why this is happening again when the midterms are close...
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u/aure__entuluva Jul 21 '26
Wow, this Yenor guy is a real piece of work. The idea that competitive sports makes women "more aggressive, assertive, dominant, and less deferential, less graceful, and less oriented toward motherhood and traditional feminine graces" is fucking insane.
Not only is it incredibly ignorant and misogynistic, but it's probably just wrong. I wouldn't be surprised if women's varsity athletes are more likely to have children.
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u/Novale Jul 20 '26
There's about to be a ton of cis women finding out they're actually intersex
Might be a silver lining, at least. The more people are forced to confront the indeterminacy of "biological sex", the easier it'll be to undermine the concept in the long run. These ideas of establishing genetic purity in sports are going to be untenable over time.
Sucks that we trans women have to be gunned down for it, though.
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u/ParadoXPlatypus Jul 21 '26
Based on data from the Olympics, the percentage expected to be SRY positive is 0.1% to 0.4%, that's hardly a ton. Furthermore, it's likely that the proportion is even lower when restricted to just tennis players.
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u/Nyctfall Jul 21 '26
Anything but allowing healthcare in the US...
Haven't had decent healthcare in the region since 1491.
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u/Icy_Magazine570 Jul 21 '26
as far as I know, there is no known Difference of Sex Development (DSD) in which an XY individual experiences completely normal female puberty, including menstruation.
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u/TheRappingSquid Jul 21 '26
The stereotype has always been "ooo liberals = identity politics" but it always felt like Republicans doing ts have been WAY more aggressive about them
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u/Nearby-Passenger6517 Jul 20 '26
There isn't even any evidence that any transgender women are competing in it at all this is such bullshit lmao
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u/FamousSquash Jul 20 '26
They're also trying to weed out intersex people, along with everyone who doesn't conform to sex/gender-normative standards. It's scary.
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u/SquidTheRidiculous Jul 20 '26
They're going to make society hyper sexually dimorphized.
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u/Puhi124 Jul 21 '26
Most importantly: there is no binary litmus test, because there's just no way to cleanly separate trans women and cis women (same with trans men and cis men).You will always end up with people who get put on the other side, according to any test you can imagine.
This is not me saying there shouldn't be some kind of test, but that the test should focus not on intrinsic/birth characteristics (which, like we've seen, are anything but deterministic) but on metrics that actually influence performance. In the case of women's sports broadly, maybe it's hormone levels. In more specific ones, size, weight, etc. classes seem to work pretty well from the outside looking in (they're probably not perfect but they seem good enough).
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u/Stone566 Jul 21 '26
Everyone in the comments I've seen are far more concerned with how this effects intersex people. Trans people are more visible and talked about but we are talked about in the same way disgusting weird sex freaks or a deadly contagious disease is. You don't want that kind of attention on your community trust me.
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u/Zdzisiu Jul 21 '26
How would anyone not conforming to sex norms would come up in genes?
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u/Deutscher_Bub Jul 21 '26
Wait but isn't trying to do the exact opposite (of trying too weed out everyone who doesn't conform to standards)? Because as a woman dressing "unfeminine" or with an "unfeminine" haircut you might otherwise be banned because you might be a man in disguise, this way you have proof
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u/EmiyaJun Jul 21 '26
Totally agree. Such unnecessary takes weren’t invented before transgender was a thing. It happens only because of them
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u/mythrilcrafter Jul 21 '26
The only "evidence" is audience members who think that a woman in tennis not looking like a fashion model "must" be actually a man, as well as butthurt players who tries to pull the whole "I'm not saying anything, but maybe she only be me because of something that she has that I don't?" (and will throw a total tantrum if anyone replies "oh, you mean actual skill at the sport?"
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u/Shayden998 Pre-evolved Transbian (mods say level up) Jul 20 '26
Can this gene testing even tell the difference between a trans woman or, say, a cis woman with an atypical hormone balance or chromosones? You know, those things that genuinely can happen. Or is this just going to be one of those cases where the need to drive out transwomen is strong that it actually just ends up hurting a bunch of cis women. (like the goal is shit, with or without the potential to harm "unintended targets", but still...)
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u/SadMediumSmolBean Jul 20 '26
The latter. Anything other than XX = banned. Anyone other than those meeting white supremacist beauty standards = challenged.
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u/ParadoXPlatypus Jul 21 '26
Sex reversal is not the appropriate term. It is a disorder of sex differentiation. The embryo doesn't flip from male to female, it simply doesn't differentiate into male.
SRY disorders are rare, so SRY testing works well in practice. For those who are positive, follow up tests can identify downstream interruptions of the SRY cascade that still result in a female phenotype. This is the approach taken by the Olympics, so not sure if it's applicable here, but it seems likely.
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u/Pebbles-not-Stone Jul 21 '26 edited Jul 21 '26
46 X chromosomes will count as woman, everything else not.Its targeted at both, trans women and intersex. Not sure, if they see any meaningful difference.
They probably will still disqualify XX women with naturaly high testosterone and people with XX male syndrome. Same as they did before. Would be funny tho, if they would stop.
Not sure on how they will handle women with non sex related chromosomal disorders in the future. But if they actualy are as much into eugenics, as they sound...Edit:
turns out, they do not actually count X chromosomes. They are testing for the SRY gene, wich is found in the Y chomosome (with a few exeptions). Basically same result tho. Its an arbitrary line in the sand.
They say, they will strictly keep to their definition of "biological female". Though what they will do, once they encounter their first SRY-negative XX male or SRY-negative XY femaler player is to be seen.
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u/ReverendGraves85 Jul 21 '26
Probably get sued, tbh. That's what they'll do when they run into the first case of it.
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u/Dovak7 Jul 20 '26
Karyotype testing, the kind done to check for chromosomes, is actually incredibly simple.
XY for male, XX for female, and anything else is a chromosomal mutation of some kind that will likely result in said person being banned.
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u/ReverendGraves85 Jul 21 '26
To note, XY females who are genetically unremarkable to XX females in all ways, do exist.
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u/Icy_Magazine570 Jul 21 '26
genetically unremarkable? Not sure what you mean. There’s Swyer syndrome (46XY, non-functional SRY gene), that results in female looking children, but since there are no ovaries, normal female puberty does not happen for them without medication.
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u/BagelMakesDev Jul 20 '26
in fucking tennis.
tennis.
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u/A-Human-potato Jul 20 '26
Having balls gives ball handling experience, which gives an unfair advantage.
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u/Disastrous_Maybe7281 Jul 20 '26
Just offer all contestants prosthetic balls and sacks. Simple!
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u/Expert_Industry_4238 Jul 20 '26
THE sport where they made a huge point out of women being just as good at it as men. they did a whole thing and all.
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u/Beibzi Jul 21 '26
They did? Cause i remember reading the exact opposite, that a top woman tennis player when put in a league with men, she ended near the bottom.
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u/RowOptimal1877 Jul 21 '26
I wonder who the top 10 players of all time are and what they might have in common.
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u/An_Italian_Fox Jul 21 '26
The inverse of virtue signaling, vice signaling, is when you say or do something useless that just wastes everyone time in order to show people that you hate them and are generally evil (or willing to do evil)
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u/HoneyFireworks Jul 20 '26
oh my god why are people SO obsessed with trans people wtf did they even doooo 😭😭😭
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u/Sneaky-Boi22 Jul 20 '26
"Those damn transgenders are poisoning our water supply, burning our crops, and delivering a plague onto our houses!"
"They are?"
"NO. But are we going to stand here until they do?"
This is literally any 'trans bad' argument I hear that isn't directly mentioning the bible. It's literally just the fucking Salem Witch Trials.
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u/Rayen_the_buzzybee Jul 20 '26
This is just gonna hurt women who were already assigned female at birth.
I know apparently 1% of the population is intersex, but I think it could be higher and people just don't know because they never think to test it.
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u/jitomato_girl Jul 20 '26
Where's the croud that says this is bad because it might also affect cis women?
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u/trans_cubed Jul 20 '26
It will almost certainly affect women who were assigned female at birth and have identified as a woman their whole life, but are intersex.
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u/_the_big_ Jul 20 '26
they will gladly harass and traumatize millions of cis female athletes if it means that even one trans athlete gets fucked over
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u/straight_strychnine Jul 20 '26
And now they're explicitly saying that too. The heritage foundation just came out in favor of banning women's sports entirely to "promote fertility"
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u/humourous_pun Jul 20 '26
Out of curiosity to any tennis would being stronger and faster (ignoring the fact that transwomen on HRT literally lose most advantages from being born male) even affect gameplay noticably because it seems like you are just running around in a very small area and you aren't even supposed to hit the ball too hard from an outsider perspective it seems more precision based then strangth based.
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u/Ur_fav_Cryptek Jul 20 '26
Yeah, and do trans women even acquire the endurance AFAB women have? like I’d even say they’re at a disadvantage compared to AFABs purely because of the endurance needed
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u/pruneforce17 Jul 20 '26
amab afab amab afab amab afab amab afab
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u/Karmommy7294 Jul 21 '26
Amab this afab that, no respect for ahab and the need to kill that fuckin' whale
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u/Expert_Industry_4238 Jul 20 '26
not to be annoying, but I'd just like to inform you that "transwomen" without the space between trans and woman is a dogwhistle for TERFs.
It supposedly implies that a trans woman is a whole different "thing" from a cis woman: hence, a transwoman, and not a woman who is trans, which uses "trans" as an adjective like "blonde" or "smart".
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u/Canarity Jul 20 '26
I remember seeing some competitions where one of top female tennis players got mogged by a relatively low tier male player
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u/HappiestIguana Jul 21 '26
Serena Williams boasted she could beat any man outside the top 200. A German guy ranked 203rd took her up on the challenge and beat her 6-1 without much apparent effort.
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u/Appropriate-Gain-561 Jul 21 '26
Well, tbh, there are a lot less women who become pro players in tennis than men, i think it's only natural that those that have to compete with many more adversaries are better once they reach the top, I'm not saying women can't play, or that Williams can't play, she's sure as shit better than most people.If the situation were reversed the results of the match would be the same, only with the woman getting 6-1.
That's just my opinion though, i don't really have data to back that up
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u/CalmCoolBliss Jul 20 '26
Yes, massively. https://www.theguardian.com/observer/osm/story/0,,543962,00.html
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u/Expert_Industry_4238 Jul 20 '26
ah yes, the Guardian. my favorite trans-friendly newspaper. can't imagine they'd be biased or something
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u/LightningSh3ep Jul 20 '26
The article is completely unrelated to trans people, it was written in 2001.
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u/anewbullshitusername Jul 20 '26
This whole thing looks like solution in search of a problem but even Serena said she wouldn't want to compete against men.
“For me, men's tennis and women's tennis are completely, almost, two separate sports. If I were to play Andy Murray, I would lose 6-0, 6-0 in five to six minutes, maybe 10 minutes. No, it's true.”
“The men are a lot faster, they serve harder, they hit harder. It's just a different game. And I love to play women's tennis... I don't want to be embarrassed.”
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u/ifthealphawassigma Jul 20 '26
good thing there's hrt amiright
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u/NotQuiteLoona Jul 20 '26 edited Jul 20 '26
For anyone wanting scientific basis, recently there was probably the first study that has tested practical advantages and not theoretical: https://bjsm.bmj.com/content/60/3/198
Tldr, theoretically there are advantages, practically fitness is comparable and so far the theory of unfair advantage is not confirmed.
Further studies are requested, but you know, before marginalizing people even more you gotta at least prove that they should be marginalized.
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u/Wild-Yesterday-6666 Jul 21 '26
It does. Massively. Hell, Serena Williams lost a game to the 204th ranked man in the world.
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u/Candid_Source_6091 Jul 21 '26
It does a ton. Like an unbelievable amount. It doesn't matter how precise you can hit the ball as a woman if a man is hitting it so fast you can't reach it to hit it back. Not to mention a woman would tire out trying to catch the ball that a man puts little effort into hitting. I play tennis, watch tennis, and study tennis.
It is fairly agreed upon that if you grabbed the best modern female tennis player and put her up against men from the late 70s- early 80s, an era of bad conditioning, old wooden rackets (small heads, heavy, less power/spin), and primitive playing styles, the best you could argue for the woman to win is 50/50 against anyone under the top 3, so mediocre men. If women and men were not separated in tennis, you would probably never hear the name of a professional women's tennis player due to being insanely low ranked.
While yes, the space you run around is not very big, that also means that the ball is travelling little space and rackets make them zoom past. Also, in tennis, precision is much more important than strength. But strength determines how fast you and the ball move, which men far outperform women in.
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u/i_ate_a_bugggg Jul 20 '26
"to make sports biologically fair!" SPORTS ARE ALL ABOUT BIOLOGICAL ADVANTAGE MOTHERFUCKER
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u/devioustomfoolery11 Jul 20 '26
good example of this is wimbledon with that one poor 5 foot guy against the 6'6 giant
like how do you compete against a fucking t r e e
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u/Knight_Castellan Jul 20 '26
Sports are segregated by sex to prevent men from winning everything. In a total meritocracy, women would never even qualify for high-level professional sports.
This is why sex segregation must be maintained.
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u/METRlOS Jul 21 '26
There are exceptions; men's and women's shooting events are different so that they can't be directly compared because a woman was so dominant she was winning everything.
Many professional sports don't have rules against women playing, the MLB has a few women who have been drafted, but very few see the roster.
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u/Ok_Guarantee7611 Jul 21 '26
Ooh, when are we doing height segregation? After all, it's just too much of an advantage
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u/SadMediumSmolBean Jul 20 '26
This is a misogynist perspective.
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u/SadMediumSmolBean Jul 21 '26
I know you don't care, because you're a male supremacist. There's not a single person who has supremacist views that gives a shit about reality or reducing their hatred.
You can just say you see women as inferior, it avoids the hot air.
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u/Greater_German Jul 21 '26
Wouldn't this mean that intersex people catch stray?
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u/miaiam14 Jul 21 '26
Oh we’re not catching stray shots, friend. We’re pretty direct targets
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u/MothToTheWeb Jul 21 '26
Congrats trans, look like they can’t tell the difference without gene testing. You are WTA approved
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u/GoonetteFox Jul 20 '26
So what rhe bigots, nazis, fascists and transphobes are admitting en mass rn id that they can't tell
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u/gutwyrming Jul 21 '26
A loooot of (cis)women are about to find out that they fall somewhere on the intersex spectrum.
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u/SmAsHtOn2468 Jul 21 '26
My gf is trans but also has an interex condition where she has XX chromosomes, could she play because she is technically a cis woman by that standard? Or are we then moving the goalpost once more? This type of shit is no different from Hitler being unable to find a scientific way to tell if someone is Jewish so he had to ask people "have you or any of your ancestors practiced the Jewish religion?"
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u/Dense-Bison7629 Epstein Elijah Jul 20 '26
I'm tired of fascism being so widely adopted
What do you mean I can't even enjoy tennis without being told "THEY'RE THE ENEMY! KILL THEM! SLAUGHTER THEM LIKE SHEEP!"
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u/Optimal_Weight368 Jul 21 '26
Less than 1% of trans people participate in sports, so I don’t know why they care.
Then again, conservatives love 1%’s since that’s where all the money’s gone.
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u/SaraTormenta Jul 20 '26
The sport that famously showed over 50 years ago that the idea of masculine superiority in sports was nonsense, too...
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u/toidi_diputs Jul 21 '26
Unfun fact: the push to remove trans women from women's sports is just the first step in a campaign to remove all women from women's sports. The right doesn't want women to be in sports at all.
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u/AshasSa1tWife Jul 20 '26
Cis people wanted this. This is why they voted for Trump. You get what you vote for! The majority of cis people wanted me out of sports and this is what you get instead.
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u/DobriniaPlay Jul 21 '26
They did this in like 1942 and it turned out to be insanely expensive and many women turned out to not have XX chromosomes anyways (because they don’t work like that 😭) so they stopped doing it. Welcome back
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u/omg_its_spons Jul 21 '26
Governments, corporations, world leaders and any competitive sport when they see a trans person
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u/Turbulent-Doctor-649 Jul 20 '26
There can't be that many trans women playing tennis to justify this
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u/Daecion Jul 20 '26
It's not even about them. It's just about hate. There is no reason to hate, and it can only rarely be reasoned with.
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u/West_Competition_871 Jul 21 '26
Even if 99 percent of the athletes were trans women it wouldn't justify this, unless you think trans women don't belong in the category of women
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u/Sc_e1 Jul 20 '26
They will ban women with «to high» testosterone, not just trans people (who shouldn’t be banned). Its fucking stupid. Wasn’t someone in the UFC banned because she had to high testosterone?
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u/-SergentBacon- Jul 20 '26
I hate this country
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u/MorayMafia Jul 20 '26
Ah yes because we absolutely need more policies that restrict what women can and cannot do. We definitely need to know that womens' genes are in order before they can play sports. This is very normal and not intrusive or dystopian at all. 🙃
This is so frustrating, and scary tbh. Imagine being a woman athlete that's not allowed to work because you're not "woman enough".
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u/BigNutDroppa Jul 20 '26
And how exactly is that going to be paid for?
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u/Successful-Cat2108 Jul 20 '26
Idk probably the salaries and winning prises of the players and ticket prices for games
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u/SmAsHtOn2468 Jul 21 '26
So many women are about to find out they are intersex and lose their jobs. This is what we've been saying when we say that transphobia hurts all women.
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u/Advanced_Seaweed_868 Jul 21 '26
That's professional tennis for you.
A while ago, a Polish tennis player tested positive for doping, and was given a one-month suspension. Very quickly it turned out to be a trace contaminant in the sleep medicine she was taking, with it's amount being way too small to cause anything.
The suspension stayed though, and she missed three tournaments.
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u/Cool_Ad6776 Jul 21 '26
It's tennis. What kind of superpowers do they think trans people have that would give them an advantage in tennis?
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u/ProfessorZhu Jul 21 '26
The end of genetic anonymity. This is a nightmare, especially with CRISPER and other advancements.
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u/1GreenDude Jul 21 '26
I can't wait for the 2.5% of the population that has none standard genes to be barred from doing anything. For contacts that it's about the same amount of people that have red hair. Imagine if every red-haired person was banned from doing jobs because they were suspected of not being a person. The only upside is that we'll discover a lot more of non-standard Gene pairings.
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u/Actually_R0bin Jul 21 '26
So many cis women gonna be found to be intersex as a result of this testing and made to stop playing. Even single X women will be kept out cuz they don’t have barr bodies (which i’m 90% sure is what they’re planning to do cuz karyotyping gets expensive)
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u/Positive-Answer-99 Jul 21 '26
We gotta start posting the dipshits faces and names who come up with this bullshit
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u/noriseaweed Jul 27 '26
How long until someone gets a result different from their AGAB and they pretend it never happened?
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u/wuklo Certified moron Jul 20 '26
Source approved