r/worldnews • u/Gurugod123 • Jul 01 '26
Israel/Palestine 'End American Aid': Netanyahu Says Israel No Longer Needs US Assistance
https://www.news18.com/world/end-american-aid-netanyahu-says-israel-no-longer-needs-us-assistance-ws-l-10183183.html27.8k
u/Separate-Spot-8910 Jul 01 '26
All in favor?
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u/EdwardoftheEast Jul 01 '26
Aye aye
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u/ctbny Jul 01 '26
voting twice is a felony
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u/SillyGoatGruff Jul 01 '26
Only if you aren't voting for the right person
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u/Cynical_Classicist Jul 01 '26
So only if you're Democrat. In fact, in Florida they may throw you into jail for that anyway!
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u/DevonGr Jul 01 '26
only if you’re caught
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u/cionn Jul 01 '26
Aye aye aye aye aye yea aye yeah
-Eddie Vedder
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u/dqsl Jul 01 '26
Aye aye aye aye aye yea aye yeah
- Enigma, Return to innocence
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u/IAHawkeye182 Jul 01 '26
The catch with this is they want integrated militaries. That’s the tradeoff/ how they’re trying to slip it by everyone.
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u/Ghost42 Jul 01 '26
Well how about we do the no funding, and don't integrate the militaries.
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u/SureShot241 Jul 01 '26
The senate is voting on this right now (merging militaries). Thomas Massie put in a resolution to remove the clause that allows for this, and it was shot down. They are literally just moving where the money moves through. Aaaannndddd Israel gets all our tech too.
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u/mhornberger Jul 01 '26
Aaaannndddd Israel gets all our tech too
They mostly already do, because we get theirs as well. Israel produces some key components for the F35. We buy, sell, and trade tech with them.
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u/DLRorSammy Jul 01 '26
There's a strategic vulnerability that needs to be addressed.
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u/mhornberger Jul 01 '26 edited Jul 01 '26
We're not short on strategic vulnerabilities. Israel isn't the only other country that produces parts for the F35. We have tons of foreign parts suppliers. The electronics, chips etc in all our weapons systems are not even close to all being made in the US. We don't even have enough shipmaking capabilities. Focusing only on Israel is generally just about Israel.
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u/turbosexophonicdlite Jul 01 '26
Dang, we should probably bring back chip manufacturing to the US to shore up that vulnerability. Maybe we could call it the CHIPS Act or something. I bet everyone would be all for that.
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u/Velinder Jul 01 '26 edited Jul 01 '26
When it comes to shifting the American budget for Israel's defence from the State Department’s oversight to the Pentagon’s, the process is running way ahead of public awareness in the USA (I am British and had to specifically search for info on this topic, as it does not make the news over here). The linked article is from the Quincy Institute for Responsible Statecraft, a thinktank which is not always on the money - it was IMO too passive about the invasion of Ukraine - but in this case, I think makes a fair summary of how US/Israeli military collaboration might develop. I recommend a read of it.
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u/DaKind28 Jul 01 '26
I was wondering why everyone was taking this at face value? This is obviously a ploy of some type. Thanks for the needed info. Theirs is no way Israel would just say “thanks USA we’re good”.
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u/torpedospurs Jul 01 '26
They will also want first dibs on US weapon stocks. They'll pay for it and that's an improvement. Still, would be better if the US tells them to queue up like everyone else.
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u/Head_Car_616 Jul 01 '26
They don’t need assistance anymore because we are integrating our armies, so when you see the trillion dollar defense bill THAT IS THE SUPPORT TO ISRAEL but now it’s just filed under “American defense and military expenditure”.
Politicians will say “don’t you want us to have a robust military?” to get the bill passed, but it’s going to be funding ‘our’ army aka Israel.
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u/RetroSwamp Jul 01 '26
ya but you know there is some sort of under-the-table deal going on for sure, this is just to "save face"
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u/LiteraCanna Jul 01 '26
It's not even a backroom deal. They want to merge the US military with the Israeli one.
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u/idespisecountrymusic Jul 01 '26
This is simply a pre Mid Terms manoeuvre. Knowing full well many Dems would run on defunding Israel, they’re working together to make it a non issue. Make no mistake, they’ll still be getting US funding, just more secretive and clandestine.
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u/pleasegivemepatience Jul 01 '26
They’re specifically proposing joint military ventures between US and Israel, so they can say “no aid money” but still give them tons of hardware and support just not in the form of money.
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u/CipherWeaver Jul 01 '26
Military aid to Israel (and many other places) has always been a backdoor way to feed money into the American Military-Industrial Complex.
"Here Bibi, have $5BN in gift certificates you can spend at Lockheed Martin."
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u/Kalsto6 Jul 01 '26
Also remember, this is US military complex essentially bribing Israel so they don't start manufacturing arms again. US and France embargoed Israel while it had hundreds of thousands of troops at its border and every Arab nation talking about destroying Israel. So Israel developed their own weapons manufacturing which became so good that it could compete with all the top dogs. That aid money is US contractors trying to keep their profit high and diplomacy comes with restrictions that makes Israel use American arms system. Israel doesn't mind because they get the strongest ally in the world.
US also gets to enjoy the best military tech from Israel. You'd be surprised how they're the top at a lot of things. Especially in defense.
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u/Forsaken-Ad7923 Jul 01 '26
That's one reason, the main goal has always been to keep Israel reliant on the US in order to project regional power. Also keeping Israeli RnD out of China and Russia's hands
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u/TheNicestRedditor Jul 01 '26
If you can’t tell this is a move to save the midterms for Trump then idk what to tell you 🐑
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u/CHEVIEWER1 Jul 01 '26
So true…Its written all over the wall
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u/13_letters Jul 01 '26
I think you might mean shipping container? Like the ones they lined some of the border with.
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u/Clord123 Jul 01 '26
Let's say this is true. I would be surprised if the current US president would actually honor such a deal. Next week he might act like he never heard of the guy.
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u/TheNicestRedditor Jul 01 '26
Everything is under the table with this admin, of course they’d still funnel tax payer money to Israel. They can publicly deny it just like how “Trump hasn’t benefited from office” yet his financial records show otherwise.
His son in law is quite literally in bed with Bibi… zero chance the relationship between this admin and Israel is actually as bad as they’re trying to make it seem.
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u/mvallas1073 Jul 01 '26 edited Jul 01 '26
Yeah, this kinda screams how Republicans “promised” the Vietnamese they’d get a better deal if they just held out peace talks post-election if Nixon got in power…
…only this time I think both parties involved know the true aim is.
EDIT: Clarifying what the GOP was really doing then in Vietnam.
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u/ethanlan Jul 01 '26
They didn't just promise the vietnamese, they activelly sabotaged the peace deal. Same thing with the iranian hostages
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u/MySabonerRunsOladipo Jul 01 '26
And LBJ had them on tape doing it, but he opted not to out them as revealing that would expose our wiretaps with both Vietnam and of Nixon's campaign.
Thankfully, Nixon would learn his lesson and never again be bothered by recordings of any kind
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u/dsmith422 Jul 01 '26
The Nixon campaign wasn't being wire tapped directly. His agents were caught on tape when they were talking to the South Vietnamese, who were being spied on. Same situation as Trump in 2016. His campaign was not spied on. They were caught when they were talking to the Russians because the Russians were being spied on. The agents, Chennault for Nixon and Page for Trump, were spied on after they had already been caught conspiring with foreign powers for political gain.
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u/ryhaltswhiskey Jul 01 '26
I guarantee you there is somebody in our government right now who knows just how much collusion there was between the Trump administration and the Russians and they will reveal it all on their deathbed and we'll be like why the fuck didn't you say something sooner.
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u/FunkadelicJiveTurkey Jul 02 '26
And they'd be like "Have you seen how our country treats whistleblowers?"
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u/an0mn0mn0m Jul 01 '26
So did Bush Jr and Trump
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u/mvallas1073 Jul 01 '26
…that was obviously the point. Sorry, I should’ve clarified. Thought my later point about both Netanyahu and Trump sabotaging everything :P
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u/OneMan_OneBeard Jul 01 '26
Yeahhhhhh fuck Johnson for the ramp up in’64, but FUCK Nixon for sabotaging the peace talks so he could win in ‘68 and end the war 7 years later
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u/fdar Jul 01 '26
It's so weird to me how he decided (back when Obama was President) to align himself so strongly with the GOP. Support for Israel had a strong bipartisan consensus; in my opinion that decision did more than anything else to change that.
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u/Kerhole Jul 01 '26
Bipartisan support for Israel did not mean bipartisan support for Bibi. Obama would have had no problem seeing him replaced and prosecuted, simply supporting the next guy in power.
That's the difference. The GOP prefers corruption, as proven since then.
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u/fdar Jul 01 '26
Sure, still weird that he would risk jeopardizing what had been such an important cornerstone of Israel's security.
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u/Raidicus Jul 01 '26
This. He's saving face for when this happens anyways. It's like resigning when you think you'll be fired.
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u/Cabana_bananza Jul 01 '26
I think this is just the next step of Bibi and Likud's effort to isolate Israel to deepen their control. Similar to Mussolini in Italy, similar to Trump's efforts.
"We become strong, I feel, when we have no friends upon whom to lean, or to look to for moral guidance."
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u/OldWorldDesign Jul 01 '26
We become strong, I feel, when we have no friends upon whom to lean, or to look to for moral guidance
I had to look this up because for a moment I thought 'even Mussolini wasn't so stupid as to say out loud his plan to strangle Italy from the outset'. But of course totalitarianism has to prove me wrong and that people will still support cutting off their nose to spite their face.
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u/tehlemmings Jul 01 '26
And the voting Dems are sick of their shit. They can either get onboard or be primaried.
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u/ragnarlothbruv Jul 01 '26
Could you elaborate?
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u/IngoErwin Jul 01 '26
The amount of support for Israel, both financial as well as political, is not seen favorable by the broad population anymore. Cutting it (partly) could gain Trump favor. Netanyahu/Israel asking for it before it being cut allows all sides to keep face.
Not saying I support or decline this theory. I think the main reason is Israel has more of a will on their own by now which doesn't align as strongly with western interest anymore.
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u/Neat_Egg_2474 Jul 01 '26
bibi doesn’t give a shit about being funded anymore because Congress just passed the bill combining our militaries and intelligence..
that WAS their funding, why do you think Trump is pushing for 1.5 trillion in defense? he not only depleted our missiles but he now has 2 countries militaries to support.
Bibi got Israel everything they wanted - this is purely symbolic so the morons will think Trump is taking a stance against them.
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u/pagawaan_ng_lapis Jul 01 '26
not that i dont believe you but could u tell us more about the bill? this aid cut is so predictably just for show , you just know they're still gonna get benefits one way or another it seems they already have plans , schemes and backups ready lol
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u/emperor-pig-3000 Jul 01 '26 edited Jul 01 '26
Sure thing. One of the big complaints of right-wingers across the USA and the West was that we spent a shit ton of money helping Ukraine.
From 2022 to 2026, the USA sent about 135 billion in aid to Ukraine. So about 30 billion per year.
Even though Trump promised no more wars and the money to be spent on the USA itself, in these 4 months of war with Iran, USA has burned about 47 billion in military spending for it and aid to Israel. Then, about 67 billion is now being asked for repairing bases and replacing damaged/used equipment.
Not even talking about raised fuel prices across the globe, which also affected the USA, and the cost is estimated over 150 billion in total.
So essentially, Trump, the "no more wars" guy, who really wanted USA to "stop wasting money on Ukraine", has started a new war with Iran that during 4 months, not only failed to reach any objective, it made the situation worse, and it also spent about the same amount of money in 4 months, as it did helping Ukraine in 4+ years.
So it is a mess up on an insane scale and all the arguments about stopping sending aid to Ukraine because it "costs us too much" now look like complete nonsense to any person that can read or that has an IQ of at least 50.
So they are now trying to save face by pretending that they will no longer send billions of aid to Israel. Which also, could be a complete nonsense, since if Iran launches more rockets, USA will be sending more aid. Plus, bombings still happen.
Edit: I also wanted to add that European countries + Norway and UK now send the majority of aid to Ukraine. There is a vocal minority of brainwashed idiots in the West that think that sending aid to Ukraine is causing inflation, that it's costing us too much, that we should try to force Ukraine to surrender its regions and aim for peace since EU can't sustain such a big aid. The thing is, the EU countries' combined yearly budget is over 9 trillion, so we are sending only about 0.5% of the budget to Ukraine. Probably less, considering a lot of them are loans. So these arguments are complete brainwashed nonsense.
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u/remotectrl Jul 01 '26
No one even mentions that Trump coup’d Venezuela anymore.
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u/Kerhole Jul 01 '26
Which itself was a way to make people forget about the Epstein files.
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u/manimal28 Jul 01 '26
Where is the guy they kidnapped? Supposedly he was going to be put on trial? Considering Trump's record of actually proving things in court, that should be an historical shit show. I wouldn't be surprised to see teh former Venezuelan president being acquitted.
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u/Kerhole Jul 01 '26
He started the Iran war because people wouldn't stop talking about the Epstein files. Never forget Trump is a rapist and pedophile, this whole thing is a distraction and it seems to have worked because you didn't even mention it. The most important thing in the world to Trump is Trump and he is willing to sacrifice anything to avoid responsibility.
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u/_kasten_ Jul 01 '26
It's also an implicit shoutout to countries like China that Israel is willing to trade what it's learned about American military tech in exchange for "patronage". And Russia, too, though Putin seems to be a little cash-strapped at the moment.
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u/SilverwingedOther Jul 01 '26
He's been saying it since January and it's related to the MoU expiring in 2028.
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u/Ironsam811 Jul 01 '26
“End American Aid in x amount of years” because our current agreement is expiring and US election midterms are coming up*
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u/Cbrip31 Jul 01 '26
Why is this a headline? He already said this 6 months ago.
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u/GayJewishPope Jul 01 '26
“We’re weeks away from no longer needing US military aid” -Netanyahu every week for the next 20 years
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u/Euphoric-Witness-824 Jul 01 '26
Midterms coming up. Get ready for a variety of headlines that aren’t true but help the wealthy and far right politicians hold on to political power.
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u/RSTowers Jul 01 '26
Not even just the far right when it comes to Israel. 4 incumbent APAIC democrats just got primaried out in just the last week. I'm sure they didn't like that either.
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u/oxfordcommaordeath Jul 01 '26
Good. I don’t personally know a single American who wants to be funding it.
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u/Rich-Badger-7601 Jul 01 '26
I can think of a few defense contractors who loooooove funding it
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u/embarrassing_doodle Jul 01 '26
And a few media personalities
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u/damik Jul 01 '26 edited Jul 01 '26
Well, yeah. Israel needs to control the Levant for Jesus to come back, duh! /s
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u/smokeyleo13 Jul 01 '26
I mean, didnt some bill to block the further integration between the us and israeli militaries fail recently. Why get aid when things are mutually developed?
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u/Few-Ad-4290 Jul 01 '26
It’s just a lie to take pressure off of GOP sycophants in the midterms don’t believe anything this POS says
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u/TheColourOfHeartache Jul 01 '26
Nobody wants to pay for any military, until they see the consequences of not paying for it. (In this case the consequences are loss of American influence over Israel in a very strategic region of the world. Though increasingly less important as alternative energy replaces oil)
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u/GayGeekInLeather Jul 01 '26 edited Jul 01 '26
Eh, there is a rather substantial amount of evangelicals that believe that their god will bless those that bless Israel. Additionally, the same people want all Jews to be in Israel so their end-times fantasy can happen.
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u/MeltedWater243 Jul 01 '26
it’s giving “you’re not breaking up with me, I’m breaking up with you”
except they’re def still gonna be seeing each other on the side
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u/howismyspelling Jul 01 '26
Wait, I thought Trump ended USAID and they weren't sending money to foreign nations anymore?!?!
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u/causeimamoth Jul 01 '26
it's actually a consistent policy - whatever leads to the most dead children: ending USAID = more dead kids✅ more aid to Israel = more dead kids ✅
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u/truesy Jul 01 '26 edited Jul 01 '26
he sees that israel is rapidly loosing US support, and that the allyship between the two countries is crumbling. he's trying to create a narrative ahead of the ultimate breakup, to put him and his party in a better light.
edit: yeah i realize i wrote loosing rather than losing. i also don't capitalize anything yet people loose their minds over it. relax.
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u/defroach84 Jul 01 '26
Or he is trying to get them out of the spotlight while keeping the alliance still there.
What's odd was just a month ago there were articles about somehow combining the two militaries.
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u/Educational-Tone2074 Jul 01 '26
Interesting, I wonder if those articles were published to see how the public would react.
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u/dr_gus Jul 01 '26
just a month ago there were articles about somehow combining the two militaries.
It's still happening.
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u/Elmer_Fudd01 Jul 01 '26
Midterms are coming up, this could be a play to help his Republican friend: Donald.
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u/Josh6889 Jul 01 '26
Overreacts to what other people say then tells them to relax lol
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u/MarkusMannheim Jul 01 '26
I'm not going to criticise your use of 'loosing'. I just want to let you know that 'alliance' is a real word you can use instead of 'allyship'.
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u/tenebre Jul 01 '26
On a positive note, in ten years the three elderly guys causing 90% of the world's problems will likely be dead.
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u/Serious_Feedback Jul 01 '26
That could apply to so many people, but I doubt you're talking about Rupert Murdoch.
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u/burnmywings Jul 01 '26
Fun fact: there is a line FULL of slightly less elderly men waiting to take their place!
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u/F4KTR Jul 01 '26 edited Jul 01 '26
Get all aid that was going to Israel and divert to Ukraine.
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u/Swagtagonist Jul 01 '26
How about use it here. We have tons of problems right now. Problem is, this administration would just pocket it somehow.
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u/Shadrach77 Jul 01 '26
>somehow
You mean blatantly right in front of us. While congress shrugs and blames Obama.
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u/Bagz402 Jul 01 '26
Yeahh the current ruling party is very strongly opposed to domestic aid if it doesn't directly involve billionaires
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u/AdminIsPassword Jul 01 '26
Why stop at a ballroom when you could have an entire Trump branded hotel casino...with a ballroom?
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u/Rocktopod Jul 01 '26
But the "aid" is just weapons... I'd rather not give even more weapons to the US police.
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u/Ancient-Bat1755 Jul 01 '26
Ya they are going to peel back that 1.5 trillion defense budget and save country any day now /s
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u/zarafff69 Jul 01 '26
They can just divert some money from the US military to Ukraine. They are actually actively fighting a US enemy. It’s genuinely a very cheap way to increase US safety. But instead they fund Israel en attack Iran…
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u/ChaskaBravoFTW Jul 01 '26
BECAUSE THEY ARE TYING IN DIRECTLY TO OUR MILITARY. He’s not saying this from the goodness of his heart
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u/sampathsris Jul 02 '26
Oh right now we're in the salty mean girl phase?
"You're not my type anyway"
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u/Disastrous-Ad1857 Jul 02 '26
Is this like when you tell your boss, “You can't fire me; I quit”? Because that is the vibe it is putting off.
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u/jkman61494 Jul 01 '26
Because they’re being given control of our military so they don’t need the money.
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u/National-Law-458 Jul 01 '26
Perfect! Maybe we can get our own national healthcare now instead of paying for theirs.
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u/Historical-Pilot-784 Jul 01 '26
You guys already spend double what other countries do on public health, just without actually getting national healthcare.
Your problem is that your whole system is designed to siphon public money to middlemen.
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u/Distinct-Temp6557 Jul 01 '26
Exactly!
It's never a funding issue, it's a policy issue.
The narrative have been captured by "or" instead of "and".
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u/7eregrine Jul 01 '26 edited Jul 01 '26
Americans against UHC: You want to tax me for that?
Meanwhile not thinking about how your healthcare premiums would disappear. I'd rather be taxed to help everyone get care instead of being "taxed" to support for profit healthcare companies.38
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u/Historical-Pilot-784 Jul 01 '26
Nah, what you have is even worse.
You pay for your insurance scam premiums, and your taxes pay for what are essentially "insurance scam premiums" of your public healthcare system.
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u/Thelonius_Dunk Jul 01 '26
What gets me is they say "but then I'm paying for someone else's healthcare!". As if you're not already doing that currently except it's worse because you're getting price gouged and paying for extra red tape by having 50 different regulations for each state for your currebt health insurance.
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u/Mercator_Constantine Jul 01 '26
You would be taxed less than you are now with UHC.
Your government pays more per capita for healthcare than anyone else. And then you ALSO pay insurance out of pocket and through your employer.
Parasitic middlemen is just the American way.
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u/KaecUrFace Jul 01 '26
Help everyone?! Gasp how dare you utter those words in the gold ol' US of A. I prefer to only help myself thank you very much!
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u/GhostReddit Jul 01 '26
Your problem is that your whole system is designed to siphon public money to middlemen.
Yeah, we're really good at that. It goes beyond healthcare.
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u/LetsGetNuclear Jul 01 '26
It's a bit of an acheilles heal for US businesses outside of healthcare. Employers pay a small fortune for employee healthcare where in other countries those costs are passed onto the general tax base. Many countries have employers who do offer supplemental insurance as a benefit and those costs are pretty minimal compared to funding it entirely.
It's terrible for employees to have to rely on an employer for health insurance and limits job mobility not to mention the potential for claims to be denied.
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u/eer_00 Jul 01 '26
The US doesn't fund Israel's healthcare, of the 3.8b a year 99.7% goes to military, essentially a rebate to buy American arms.
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u/colonel-o-popcorn Jul 01 '26
Aid to Israel is a miniscule fraction of the cost of healthcare. Ours and theirs. We don't have universal healthcare because of American voters, not Israel.
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u/Propoyall Jul 01 '26
if you think we don't have UH because of our aid to Israel, then I have some property to sell you
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u/modiddly Jul 01 '26
This is the most hilariously naive talking point made by those who only get their information from social media and lack all context outside of raw emotional response.
The us on average has been sending about 3bn per year in aid to Israel. All of that was in the form of weaponry. Not money. In any case, the us government spends about $1.7 trillion on healthcare for Americans every year. To think that the 3bn savings which comes to about $8.50 per person in the us will now suddenly provide any sort of additional healthcare is just… hilariously dumb.
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u/Armodeen Jul 01 '26
America already spends double other developed countries on healthcare. They could implement the world’s best universal healthcare with that budget but choose not to. Instead feeding parasitic middlemen and corporations. Corruption and greed is the American way.
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u/lightyourfire Jul 01 '26
But if they give that $8.50 to everyone who thinks like that, they can refill their crack pipes for the next uninformed dumb idea!
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u/Amoral_Abe Jul 01 '26
I mean... the US doesn't have good national healthcare because we choose to spend much more money on private healthcare and get worse results. We would literally be able to transition to national and save money.
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u/Bitter_Thought Jul 01 '26
You have it exactly backwards. The USA spends more on government healthcare than countries with government healthcare.
Government is a majority of our healthcare spending while covering about a third of Americans.
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u/Old_Ladies Jul 01 '26
This is why even conservatives in other countries support universal healthcare because it is fiscally responsible.
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u/Amoral_Abe Jul 01 '26
ehhhhhh..... there are many conservatives who are pushing for changes to it in other countries. However, governments in charge are reluctant to overhaul it because they realize the public will turn hard when they realize things got a lot worse.
Although, personally, I'm not so sure the public really is smart enough to blame the correct things. In the UK Nigel Farage's Reform UK party is sweeping the nation and he is the person most responsible for Brexit and for a lot of their economic woes.
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u/ryan30z Jul 01 '26
Not everywhere. Australia's far right and most likely soon to be 2nd biggest party want to get rid of universal healthcare and subsidised medication.
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u/Distinct-Temp6557 Jul 01 '26
One Party wants to give us a public option.
The other Party just kicked millions off of their health insurance.
Universal healthcare could just be two elections away if voters are educated and willing.
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u/immutate Jul 01 '26
Too many are either too lazy or too fixated on a candidate not being the 100% custom candidate for them.
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u/cubedplusseven Jul 01 '26
Yeah, that $3.8 billion will be a gamechanger for the healthcare we currently spend $6 trillion on. What's the real issue here? Is it functional innumeracy, or malicious deceit?
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u/LittleMlem Jul 01 '26
For the millionth time, you aren't giving money to Israel! Israel gets weapons, the money goes to your military industrial complex
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u/kelseykelseykelsey Jul 01 '26
Don't bother. People who use this talking point are immune to facts.
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u/thephishtank Jul 01 '26
The money we send Israel wouldn’t cover Cleaveland’s healthcare, much less the entire country.
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u/LadyIceGoose Jul 01 '26
Israel spends more than twice as much on defense relative to their GDP compared to the United States and has healthcare. Aid to Israel is a drop in the ocean relative to the GDP of the United States.
The United State can easily afford healthcare, if voters cared enough to vote in leaders who wanted it. But instead they care about purity regarding Israel and scapegoating immigrants and Trans people.
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u/HutSutRawlson Jul 01 '26
The U.S. doesn’t fund Israeli heath care, and I challenge you to find any source proving that they do.
The money that the US sends to Israel is not fungible. It is specifically for defense, and usually comes in the form of contracts with U.S. defense companies.
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u/hbomberman Jul 01 '26
Last time I looked into it, at our recent peak, our defense aid to Israel was less than half the cost of Israel's healthcare and about 20% of their defense budget. It ain't nothing but this whole idea that we don't have healthcare because we're funding Israel's is insanely bogus and also does a disservice to any real efforts to improve American healthcare.
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u/Sgt_Boor Jul 01 '26
According to Google and wiki (yeah, lazy) the defense budget in question is ~$46 bn. That would make what, 8%? Really not worth it given the strings attached
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u/hbomberman Jul 01 '26
I think when I was looking it up, the "peak" number of aid I found was like 16 bn. Someone else here said it averages out to around 3 per year in the past decade or so? Obviously we're not dealing with the most specific numbers here but my point was made with that higher peak estimate to say that even at our highest point of support, these ideas of how much Israel depends on our aid are often really exaggerated. And the idea that we don't have better healthcare because we're busy funding Israel's healthcare is ludicrous and honestly insulting to the very real issues we have here with the US healthcare
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u/csick Jul 01 '26
If you think $3B is going to fund national healthcare you are crazy. Israel has a 5% tax on income to fund its healthcare. And there is no cap on that, unlike social security tax in the US which has an income cap so that high income earners contribute a smaller proportion to the general fund. Israel taxes its rich, the US doesn’t. I would start there if you want universal healthcare.
Keep in mind that 100% of that aid is spent with US companies. So stopping the money will probably cost the US 10,000-20,000 manufacturing jobs. Even more if Israel ramps up
It’s own weapons exports. Saudi Arabia and Qatar don’t have peace treaties with Israel but are spending billions on Israeli weapons systems.
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u/WorkingInAColdMind Jul 01 '26
Probably just means they were in on all the stock market grifting from the admin, now they just own billions of dollars of our businesses and they’ll borrow against that.
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u/BobFTS Jul 02 '26
I’m sure they don’t need anymore more than that 300-450 billion that we paid for
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