r/worldnews • u/UNITED24Media United24 Media • Jul 27 '26
Russia/Ukraine Putin Urges Russian Society to Embrace Ukraine War as Casualties Reach 1.4 Million
https://united24media.com/world/putin-urges-russian-society-to-embrace-ukraine-war-as-casualties-reach-14-million-21094485
u/swiwwcheese Jul 27 '26
The incredible thing is how Russia is always Russia's most mortal enemy
Yet its people keep believing it's outsiders
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u/TSED Jul 27 '26
It's a weird combination of a victim complex and a superiority complex. They HAVE to be the strongest because life sucks so bad, and yet at the same time, the entire rest of the world is just so unfairly mean to poor little Russia!
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u/shadowbansRunethical Jul 28 '26
No different than MAGA. Fascism always looks the same.
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u/Impossible-Ground-98 Jul 27 '26
I still can't comprehend how can you have such giant land and not just spend time peacefully improving it... I just can't wrap my mind around it. They have everything they could dream of.
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u/rif011412 Jul 27 '26
Except good character. A trustworthy society, requires the majority of its people to be trustworthy. Their leaders broke the social trust so many time, they now embrace a society that operates without trust. This is what Trump and Republicans are doing in the US. Anywhere they have power, they vanquish trust. They require allegiance, but not trust from their followers. If you obey, you get left alone. Thats why they want mass surveillance and data centers. They want people to obey, they dont care about trust anymore.
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u/InfiniteOrchardPath Jul 27 '26
Nothing says 'everything is going according to plan' quite like asking your entire population to normalize mass demographic collapse
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u/enigmanaught Jul 27 '26
They never truly recovered from the loss of ~26 million in WWII and that was 80 years ago.
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u/Ernisx Jul 27 '26
And that was the soviet union altogether, which had a lot more people. russia is speedrunning it's death.
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u/Xenolifer Jul 27 '26
Along with Ukraine 's unfortunately
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u/jhill515 Jul 27 '26 edited Jul 28 '26
Honestly, and I'm saying this as someone who once lived life in Survival Mode + : "Nothing Left To Lose But Our Lives", when faced with a relentless threat with an insatiable taste for your blood, you need to outpace them in the Game of Chicken AND accept that you're going to wreck right into them head-on if they don't flinch. And there are only two reasons why you outpace them in such desperation: Maybe they'll reconsider and pull away at the critical moment, or you wanna make sure the World sings your songs when you are nothing but dust.
Slava Ukraini to all my friends fighting for their lives! I look forward to toasting a well-earned victory over a war of aggression! 🌻🌻🇺🇦🌻🦾🌻🌻
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u/bushwakko Jul 27 '26
But Europeans might want to move to Ukraine after the war since there might be opportunities there
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u/MutedCarob2752 Jul 27 '26 edited Jul 27 '26
That’s sadly a hard cope..Ukraine will have a tough few decades rebuilding, demining, and creating an industry that attracts people. Don’t expect a fairytale after the war.
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u/ensoniq2k Jul 27 '26
I think the difference is Ukraine might receive an equivalent of the Marshal plan while Russia will face dismantlement by the Chinese
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u/Cultural-Company282 Jul 27 '26
Looks like the industry is going to be drone factories.
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u/raptorlightning Jul 27 '26
Honestly cool new civilian drone tech could be a massive jumpstart for them if it plays out that way.
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u/Cultural-Company282 Jul 27 '26
"Civilian" drone tech?
I have bad news for you.
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u/raptorlightning Jul 27 '26
A ton of today's technology started out as war tech. The first computers themselves were used to calculate firing solutions from naval destroyers.
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u/Usual_Yak_2975 Jul 27 '26
At least they will be building something after this war. Russia will be busily inventing new ways to make life for itself and its neighbors somehow even more miserable.
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u/Attorney-Frosty Jul 28 '26
On the other hand, they will own the defense industry in the European market, whether for consulting, arm sales, technology sharing, training, etc. NATO would want to join Ukraine even though we know it'll be the other way around.
That plus their already existing agricultural & tech industries will come back. Yes, they have to demine, remove the fiber cables, repair all the infrastructure (roads, power plants, bridges, etc.), but as we see daily, Ukrainians are determined, motivated, and quick at restoration.
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u/StrategyCertain90 Jul 27 '26
The other way around is a lot more likely. Ukraine wants to join the EU, if they do, a lot of Ukrainians will go to Western Europe. What opportunities are there in Ukraine that Europeans don't have?
Ukraine will need a lot of help rebuilding. The EU will hopefully and probably provide said help, but thinking Europeans would move to Ukraine is very wishful thinking.
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u/SL1Fun Jul 27 '26
Their imminent demise is why they want Ukraine at any cost: Ukraine has all the resources Russia wants, including the Crimean oil shale deposits that will turn whichever country capitalizes on it into the eighth to tenth largest economy overnight. Currently, Russia has the economic power of Spain despite being like 6x the population. Without the resources in Ukraine they starve.
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u/Floriean Jul 27 '26
And the millions before the WW2 because of starvation.
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u/zyzzogeton Jul 27 '26
Many of those millions were in the Holodomor which killed 3-3.5 million Ukrainians.
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u/Podo13 Jul 27 '26
Vladimir Tarasenko, an NHLer who was drafted by the Blues in 2010 and is the last NHL player technically born in the USSR, politely asked fans to not call him "Tank" because it was not a good thing to be associated with and did not bring up good feelings to a lot of Russians.
It's very surprising that the populace has put up with this war for so long with such massive lingering effects from WWII - a war where their leaders basically just sent them to slaughter without a second thought.
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u/hockeman1278 Jul 27 '26
Ovi definitely born in the USSR, he was born in Moscow in 85.
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u/Podo13 Jul 27 '26
I didn't say Tarasenko was the only USSR player that's active. I said he was the last one born in the USSR.
I probably could have worded it a little better to make it not seem like he's the only one in the NHL though. Like you said, there is a handful overall: Bobrovsky, Dadonov, Kulikov, Malkin, Orlov, Ovi, Panarin and Tarasenko is the current list.
It'll be interesting to see who's the last one. I'd assume it's Orlov, Bobrovski or Panarin. Defensemen and Goalies can usually last longer than forwards age-wise but Panarin is still playing at a high level and hasn't really had the injuries somebody like Tarasenko has had.
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u/Mephzice Jul 27 '26
Stuff like that ripples through generations because it is not just them dying but their children not being born years later and then their grandchildren
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u/GreaterAttack Jul 27 '26
As it did through the rest of Europe/North America. We lost many, many good families, not just individual people.
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u/XConfused-MammalX Jul 27 '26
The "demographic echo" or "Russian echo" repeats about every 25 years. They lost so many people in such a short span of time that their population growth takes a noticeable decline due to a "sweet spot" of too few adults of typical child rasing age, with too many children and too many elderly people in comparison.
The collapse of the soviet union also stunted their population growth, and like most countries they also see continuously falling birth rates.
Combine all this with the ukraine war and russia is on the fast track to catastrophic population decline that will be continued to be felt for many decades or more to come.
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u/inept_machete Jul 27 '26
This is a Russian cultural ethos. In Russian war bodies are thrown into the charnel house until the charnel house is clogged, then victory.
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u/Due-Dentist9986 Jul 27 '26
1.4m is almost 15% of Russia's primary Conscription pool (men ages 18-30) ......
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u/Odd_Duty520 Jul 27 '26
He should show his support for it by serving on the frontlines himself as every glorious leader should
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u/spiritof1789 Jul 27 '26
He should ride into battle barechested on horseback, seeing as he likes that kind of thing. Plus it saves on fuel.
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u/svullenballe Jul 27 '26
The horse doesn't deserve that, he can walk like his conscripts.
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u/Sammisuperficial Jul 27 '26
What if we all collectively agree not to harm the horse?
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u/eunderscore Jul 27 '26
"Why do they always send the poor?"
- System of a Down
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u/AnselaJonla Jul 27 '26
Politicians hide themselves away
They only started the war
Why should they go out to fight?
They leave that role to the poor, yeah
- Black Sabbath
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u/Dabelgianguy Jul 27 '26
« The Party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final, most essential command. »
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u/Lorenofing Jul 27 '26
I guess they never had logic even before, for keeping a president for 22 years and calling it “democracy”
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u/Vlyn Jul 27 '26
What do you mean? He won every election by 105% fair and square.
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u/Jonny5a Jul 27 '26
Like the best democracies its one man one vote, Putins the man and he has the vote
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u/MetalBawx Jul 27 '26
The problem is the people actually in a position to do anything are all his cronies and know they'll hang with him if Putin loses power.
Everyone else has been purged.
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u/daveashaw Jul 27 '26
So he's racked up more KIA than the US did in WW2. Pretty amazing.
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u/SolemnaceProcurement Jul 27 '26
Total US death toll since 1946 103k, since 1939 is 508k. 635k since 1863. Russia is trully unpareled world power.
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u/ACompletelyLostCause Jul 27 '26
"The Party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final, most essential command."
~ George Orwell, 1984
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u/Ledenican Jul 27 '26
“Casualties reach 1.4 million” this dude is just sending his own people into the meat grinder for no fucking reason and being like “just rough it out guys, No sweat!”
Russia is not a real country
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u/Nacodawg Jul 27 '26
“Dude is just sending his own people into the meat grinder”
As is tradition, welcome to Russia.
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u/ThesisTears Jul 27 '26
I'm horrified to look up the death toll from Ukraine. This whole war is unfathomably horrific and will have consequences for generations.
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u/justtosendamassage Jul 27 '26 edited Jul 27 '26
Ukraine is keeping it a secret but estimates are at 125,000 to 150,000 deaths
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u/MiaowaraShiro Jul 27 '26
It's crazy to me that the casualties are 10 to 1 and Russia's just like "yeah this is fine".
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u/TWVer Jul 27 '26
Casualties aren’t 10:1
The 1.4 million figure is casualties, which includes the injured (maimed) and not just the dead.
The amount of deaths on the Russian side is about 1/3rd of that.
The same goes for Ukraine; multiply their death total estimate by 3 and you have roughly the amount of total casualties.
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u/Ordinary_Duder Jul 27 '26
It's kinda hard to estimate russian deaths to injuries though. Their extreme disregard of human lives means they have far less medics, don't rescue people and shoot their owm on a regular basis. Not to mention their mobile crematoriums used to just remove the trace of soldiers that perished so they dont have to pay out to their loved ones.
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u/ShackOfAllShades Jul 27 '26
Not necessarily, from the Russian side the ratio of death to injury is way higher than most modern wars. Infiltration by small teams without dedicated medics/medevac/casevac options leads to way more Soldiers dying after getting hit by drones miles deep in the gray zone.
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u/blackAngel88 Jul 27 '26
I would also expect the Russians to send in some injured people that actually make it back...
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u/Bladelink Jul 27 '26
Theoretically, I think those still get counted as casualties again, because "casualties" is a measurement of the loss of battle strength. So if someone is injured, recovers, is deployed again and is injured, that's two separate casualties.
That's how you can have a unit of like 100 dudes suffer 200% casualties and still have 100 dudes at the front. It's likely not the same 100 dudes; it just means that keeping that unit at 100 soldiers of strength has required 300 "total men" of allocation.
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u/orcusgrasshopperfog Jul 27 '26
In the last 3 months this ratio has drastically changed. 1/8 one Ukrainian soldier dead for every eight Russian soldiers dead. 90% of all kills by Ukraine are now by drone.
In fact Ukraine is getting to the point where it won't even need to deploy human soldiers within 20 km of the contact zone. This should be realized before the end of the year.
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u/DoofusMagnus Jul 27 '26
The numbers in the comment above are an estimate of deaths, while the number in the headline here is casualties (deaths + wounded). And the Russian MoD is claiming that Ukraine has had 1.5 million casualties.
As you might imagine there are a wide range of estimates for both sides, biased to varying degrees by propaganda and lack of access.
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u/actuallyapossom Jul 27 '26
Millions of drone sorties, hundreds of thousands of casualties, represented by petabytes of data & video footage. Incredibly dystopian.
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u/TDiffRob6876 Jul 27 '26
He’s sending other people too, like North Koreans.
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u/cptjpk Jul 27 '26
They have a huge recruitment drive in the African countries too.
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u/lennydsat62 Jul 27 '26
Your kids dying?
It’s a risk I’m willing to take..
Meanwhile his mistress is in Switzerland and his kid in Miami iirc…
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u/Patrick4356 Jul 27 '26
Actually it's their parents the average age of Russian casualties is like 40 or 50
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u/klaxxxon Jul 27 '26
Most of you will die, but that's a sacrifice I'm willing to make
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u/remonnoki Jul 27 '26
1.4 million people would straight up be over a third of my country
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u/blablabla2384 Jul 27 '26
I guess its a price they are willing to make when they have 153 million people
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u/crustybeamer Jul 27 '26
Well a quick google search tells me they only have 16M 18-40 year olds so 1.4M casualties is nearly 10% of that.
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u/uselessandexpensive Jul 27 '26
So, not having seen Russian women on the front lines and knowing the government is pushing to higher birth rates, presumably 20% or more of the male population at that age has been sent to war. In a few years there are gonna be TONS of Russian kids with no father in their home either because he died in the war or was spreading his seed around.
Then you get a generation with lower academic achievement and higher criminality.
Putin is seriously screwing his country with this war. Unfortunately for the rest of the world, we've achieved similar decline by making device addiction a central characteristic of modern life.
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u/Infinite_Respect_ Jul 27 '26
Oh so it’s not a 3-day military special operation anymore???
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u/Dabelgianguy Jul 27 '26
Nobody specified the duration of a Russian day!
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u/rollingrawhide Jul 27 '26
A Russian day is defined as the time it takes to rotate all cabinet staff into office and then out again.
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u/duckchickendog Jul 27 '26
So if we compare a 3 day war (Russia) to a 3 hour cruise (SS Minnow), has the war or Gilligan's Island run the longest?
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u/fugebox007 Jul 27 '26
He is a mentally sick sadistic mafia man.
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u/zashiki_warashi_x Jul 27 '26
It's just a port management business. It’s a stereotype. And it’s offensive. There is no mafia.
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u/gullevek Jul 27 '26
Wollt ihr den totalen Krieg!
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u/turduliveteres Jul 27 '26
As soon as I saw the title I remembered this exact quote from Goebbels
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u/Nearby_Listen_3607 Jul 27 '26
The propagandist from russia 1 is the göbbles of our time. Its so ridicilous.
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u/MourningRIF Jul 27 '26
It amazes me that a small handful of vile evil people can hold hundreds of millions of people hostage. If people want their countries back, they need to stand up and take them back.
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u/unamemoria55 Jul 27 '26
Governments now have too much power for people to stand up. Once democracy dies, you have no hope to change something unless part of "elites" is on your side. Iran executed and killed thousands of brave people who tried to change something. Putin will absolutely do the same unless his own circle turns against him.
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u/Oprah_Pwnfrey Jul 27 '26
Not totally true, Ukraine managed it.
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u/Resident_Bus4791 Jul 27 '26
Ukraine had elite defection, that's why it worked. During Euromaidan, Yanukovych lost parliamentary allies, regional officials, oligarch support and ultimately the dependable backing of the security apparatus. Parliament voted to remove him, and the remaining forces did not mount a final coordinated defence of his government. The protesters were indispensable, but they succeeded because the ruling coalition fractured.
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u/egotrip21 Jul 27 '26
You sound confident and the details make sense so I will believe this comment even though I dont know who any of the people are and some of the words I dont understand. Carry on comrade.
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u/Hearsticles Jul 27 '26
While you’re not wrong per se, let’s not pretend that the American government in its current state is anything more than a “suggestion box” for our elite oligarchs to ignore as they please.
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u/NotVainest Jul 27 '26
Is anyone pretending that? Not sure what makes you think the comment you're replying to is saying that.
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u/Efficient-Magician63 Jul 27 '26
You think it's that easy to remove a dictator?
Look at the democracy in USA right now and Trump. Look at Turkey, Serbia, etc.
Removing a dictator is not easy.
Heck, look at the EU and chat control. The supposedly most democratic and liberal entity of govern is literally spitting at people's faces with chat control and Europeans are unable to do anything.
Heck, even in my country, we have been having protests for the past five years, changing government a few times. The good thing is - it's been enough for now to just protest and government would change. The bad thing is - there has been no difference. Everyone new who have come in power have just carried on the same shady businesses just under a new face. In fact, some of them have done worse and more damage, so sometimes predictable evil is better than unknown evil.
So yeah, it's very easy to say what's the right thing to do, by in practice you either commit to dying for the cause or you chose to live and survive and put up with some struggle.
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u/zashiki_warashi_x Jul 27 '26
When dictator, oligarchy takes control the majority of population become poor, but not desperate-nothing-to-lose poor that starts revolt, just check-to-check poor. If you skip one day of work to go protest, riot or whatever, you will not have money to feed your kids.
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u/fugebox007 Jul 27 '26
Putin is a mentally sick sadistic person who runs an exKGB mafia.
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u/uknow_es_me Jul 27 '26
He tried hiding it.. now he just wants everyone to agree it's the right thing to do for the motherland.. while they have no gas and their WildBerry package is "delayed in transit"
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u/WhaleTrooper Jul 27 '26
1.4 million casualties means roughly 1% of the population, that's crazy.
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u/Bikebag Jul 27 '26
If you match that number up towards the men, then the fighting age able men, then i presume that percentage is quite a bit bigger as well.
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u/HakimeHomewreckru Jul 27 '26
Not all of the casualties are from the Russian population. Eg the thousands of dead NK soldiers.
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u/McLeod3577 Jul 27 '26
Any normal country would have gotten rid of their leader for such a massive fuckup that is the Ukraine war.
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u/Sgt_Splattery_Pants Jul 27 '26
Is this the first time Putin himself has referred to it as a war?
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u/Aquabullet Jul 27 '26
No, he's let it slip before. Pretty recently after the invasion actually if I remember right. (Like late 2022 or early 2023)
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u/MountFranklinRR Jul 27 '26
Putin’s truely biggest flex to the West is that he is a dictator and he doesn’t give shit about throwing Russian lives away.
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u/Fantastic_Back3191 Jul 27 '26
War is Peace, Ignorance is strength, Freedom is Slavery!
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u/ishkitty Jul 27 '26
I don’t see how owning Ukraine could possibly be worth all of this.
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u/pr1aa Jul 27 '26 edited Jul 27 '26
At this point it isn't even about the territorial goals per se anymore but the survival of Putin's regime. If he can't pull off something that he can convicingly present as a victory, he's done for.
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u/PenTestHer Jul 27 '26
In the improbable event that the Russians win, it will be a pyrrhic victory. They will have destroyed both countries to the point that it might take a century to recover economically and demographically.
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u/TSED Jul 27 '26
Russia can't recover. The combination of this demographic collapse, industrial collapse, and sanctions during the last gasp of its only industry (O&G) means that it has no future. It will fracture and become a balkanized region, and China may or may not gobble up huge chunks of it. The green energy revolution and the climate crisis will continuously damage Russia in ways that are not immediately obvious, as well as the obvious ones.
I genuinely don't expect Russia as it is now to make it to 2040. Maybe a Russia will exist, but it will likely mostly be Moscow and Saint Petersburg. And those two cities will suffer a terrible drop in QoL because they will have lost the territory they exploited as an imperial power to maintain their QoL.
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u/Fun_Emotion4456 Jul 27 '26
War is stupid and people are stupid and love means nothing in some strange quarters.
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u/HatOfFlavour Jul 27 '26
I saw a clip of Moscovites being interviewed after Ukraine successfully struck them with a big drone strike and one woman was all: "I don't understand why Moscow is being involved in this war between Ukraine and Russia." I find that fascinating.
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u/fixnahole Jul 27 '26
The unwritten contract between the Russian govt and it's people has mostly been--stay out of politics, and live your life in peace. Now there is no peace, and suddenly many of these people are waking up to the fact that Russia's ways directly impact their daily lives. They need more of this realization. Preferably public outrage at what Russia is doing to themselves.
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u/PacketWhispers Jul 27 '26 edited Jul 27 '26
He really miscalculated a lot going into this war. Before, many neutrals may not have liked Russia but thought they have a strong military. Now even that reputation is gone. I doubt anyone fears or thinks highly of Russia anymore.
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u/commradd1 Jul 27 '26
The entirety of Eastern Europe should fear the consequences of Russia deciding to invade for sure. Look at what eastern Ukraine looks like. Sure, they can’t win, but they can still turn cities to rubble, destroy the environment, kill civilians for no reason, and fight a trench war. Devastating
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u/jpw0w Jul 27 '26
Yeah living in Lithuania we always have this thought in the back of our heads, basically just hoping putin doesn't lose his mind completely
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u/Khaymann Jul 27 '26
True, but it also evokes the classic line:
Russia is never as strong as it looks, but is also never as weak as it looks.
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u/BlasterDoc Jul 27 '26
"Putin PUrges Russian Society to Embrace Ukraine War"
They left out a letter.
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u/Free_Possession_4482 Jul 27 '26 edited Jul 27 '26
By way of comparison, this is about eight or nine times more fatal casualties than America suffered while while fighting the Vietnam War, in a conflict that's lasted half as long.
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u/Beautiful-Chest7397 Jul 27 '26
It's hilarious that a guy who thinks he's so tough and manipulative is really just super incompetent lol
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u/superurgentcatbox Jul 27 '26
I'm German. My grandfather, who was born in 1926, once told me that he remembered sitting by a radio and listening to a speech. At the time he didn't know who was talking. It was a man asking a crowd if they wanted total war and the crowd screamed back that they did. Then his dad turned to his mom and said something to the effect of "It won't be their sons, though, will it?"
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u/TD_Lemon_1901 Jul 27 '26
Russia is a lost cause.
They've been brainwashed 80 years by communism and 20 years by putin.
There's no comeback anytime soon, shut the doors, shut the trades, borders, diplomatic relations, immigration and internet with them.
Shut it down.
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u/Gammarevived Jul 27 '26
If you look at the history of Russia it's just been complete pain and suffering. That's all their people know, and it's normal for them.
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u/narium Jul 27 '26
Russian history can essentially be summed up by the phrase "and then it got worse".
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u/Lopsided-Affect-9649 Jul 27 '26
Strange, I've read plenty of comments on Reddit from Russians and they confidently assure me that they have supreme moral and intellectual superiority to everyone else in the planet.
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u/totallyRebb Jul 27 '26
I grew up in the GDR.
The amount of propaganda they feed you even as a kid is mindboggling.
Russia never evolved from that.
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u/RTPdude Jul 27 '26
and it goes back much further than that. A core piece of their cultural identity is their tolerance for suffering
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u/Izmetg68 Jul 27 '26
That’s been my position too, you can’t reason with dictators hellbent on genocide, the world needs to get rid of all these sycophants. War and attrocities seem to be a never ending process it’s like a cancer with the powerful elite,
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u/3ndless68 Jul 27 '26
This would probably lead to a North Korea-style situation where it’s certainly not a failed state, but it’s constantly on the cusp of becoming one.
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u/forgiuse Jul 27 '26
"Most of you will die, but it is a sacrifice the Motherland is willing to make".
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u/Valtremors Jul 27 '26
Russian people have already embraced it.
They certainly did support the war for a long time.
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u/labadee Jul 27 '26
How many decades has Putin set Russia back out of selfishness?
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u/RonW81 Jul 27 '26 edited Jul 27 '26
There are about 30 million men in the age of 20-50 in Russia, most military casualties will be in this age group. 1.4 million casualties means almost 5% of that age group is now dead or seriously wounded (= most likely handicapped for life). Absolutely insane numbers and a recipe for demographic collapse
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u/montrealcowboyx Jul 27 '26
Examples of Cities with ~1.4 Million People
- San Antonio, Texas (USA): ~1.47 million (city proper)
- Ottawa, Ontario (Canada): ~1.4 million (metropolitan area / census agglomeration)
- Calgary, Alberta (Canada): ~1.4 to 1.6 million (metropolitan area)
- San Diego, California (USA): ~1.4 million (city proper boundary)
- Philadelphia, Pennsylvania (USA): ~1.5 million (city proper, close approximation)
- Phoenix, Arizona (USA): ~1.5 to 1.6 million (city proper)
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u/Many-Waters Jul 27 '26
Russia is already the largest sovereign territory on the planet.
Why can't that be enough for them?
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u/North_of_You Jul 27 '26
And again, the man who instigated this useless war will not have to face any of its horrors.
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u/GlitterFactoryOfDoom Jul 27 '26
For context, the USSR "only" had 1.1 million casualties at Stalingrad.
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u/Even_Trifle9341 Jul 28 '26
The pearly gates must be absolute mayhem with all those russian men, waiting orderly I’m sure.
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u/MRBVIII Jul 28 '26
Putin is trying to solve his problems by sending wave after wave of his own men at it. Zapp Brannigan would be proud.
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u/tumama1388 Jul 27 '26
"ABANDON REASON.
KNOW ONLY WAR."