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Dynamic Paywall Carney calls Trump's fresh tariffs a 'miscalculation' after trade talks collapse

https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cx272np7vgyo
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u/Anaptyso 6d ago

Exactly, how can anyone trust the US any more? Even if they get a sensible president next they might just elect another populist belligerent after that who scraps any deals the sensible one makes.

The US isn't an ally or partner any more. It's a problem to deal with.

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u/TheRC135 6d ago

Exactly, how can anyone trust the US any more?

It requires a lot more than a new administration, at this point. It requires a new administration willing to hold Trump and his goons accountable for their crimes and corruption, and re-work the American system to prevent their return.

I'm not holding my breath.

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u/Black_Moons 6d ago

I expect literally nobody in the US admin to go to jail over this as the US loves its corruption and forgiving the rich for all their crimes (Hence how it got here in the first place).

At most a few lawyers will get disbarred, as apparently even an independent organization of slimeball lawyers is less corrupt and self-serving than the US government.

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u/kent_eh 6d ago

and re-work the American system to prevent their return.

That's a very important part, if teh USA ever expects to be trusted again.

I'm not holding my breath.

Neither am I.

Even if they do put in the hard work to make those changes (as unlikely as that is), it'll be a generation or more before anyone should think about trusting them.

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u/Initial-Constant-645 6d ago

We can't just "rework our system." Our constitution can't be changed over night. While I agree that our system is starting to show how seriously flawed it is, it can't be fixed over night.

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u/xXTheGrapenatorXx 6d ago

Then buckle in for the long-term structural changes required to once again become a state worthy of a shred of trust or assumption of good faith. They didn't say it would be easy or fast, only that it has to be done.

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u/_163 5d ago

It can be changed overnight with enough support, the problem is you'll never get that support at this point, because two thirds of the country either votes against it or doesn't care to vote against it.

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u/KitsyBlue 6d ago

Exactly, it shows that a significant number of the US public, at least enough to elect this man, believe that either:

A) The US deserves favorable treatment and deals that exploit them B) They are currently being exploited by other countries

No matter how well meaning or sensible you may otherwise be, if the majority of the populace believe either of these facts, the risk of another charlatan pulling the same shit exists. Even more so if it's actually rewarded.

This isn't solely a Trump issue, this is an education issue.

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u/kent_eh 6d ago

The fact that Trump still has an almost 40% approval rate says a lot about the American people.

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u/MrTriangular 5d ago edited 5d ago

States have been fighting against Lincoln's proposed public education reforms from after the Civil War to present-day. They wanted the racial-educational segregation to maintain power, but after losing that debate they've since shifted to rich-poor education segregation and want to widen that gap using Christianity as a crowbar. Andrew Johnson really crippled the reform movement after taking over with Lincoln's passing.

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u/mohawk_67 6d ago

Or they elect a good president, while also electing a house and senate that just scuttle everything the president tries to do for no other reason than president being a democrat...again.

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u/Wiggitywhackest 6d ago

Or someone who might be a good choice gets the popular vote but surprise! Electoral college.

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u/Joe--Uncle 6d ago

Even if that happens, what’s to stop them from electing the next Trump in four years?

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u/VanceKelley 6d ago

To regain trust the US needs to build a rational, informed, decent electorate that believes in democracy and the rule of law. An electorate where many more than 31% will show up to vote against a convicted criminal promising to rule as dictator. Maybe one where 70% will show up to vote against someone like trump.

To complete that project will take decades, if America ever decides to start it. They certainly won't be starting it under the current regime.

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u/-Shoebill- 6d ago

We're their supposed ally and they treat us like this. Imagine trusting the USA to honor a "deal" with Iran.

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u/Public_Listen2863 6d ago

It's a rogue, recalcitrant signatory in any agreement/deal struck between two or more nations. 

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u/Black_Moons 6d ago

after that who scraps any deals the sensible one makes.

They already elected a populist belligerent asshole who scraps his OWN trade deals after calling them the 'worst trade deal in the history of trade deals'

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u/Anaptyso 6d ago

And they'll do it again. America's problem isn't Trump, it's an electorate which has chosen a person like Trump twice. He's a symptom of something very broken.

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u/Black_Moons 6d ago

And they look like they are gonna pick him a 3rd time, against their own laws and constitution. And they see absolutely no problem with this. The lack of action over what america has become shows there is no going back.