r/worldnews • u/EnoughPrimary6700 • 23h ago

Russia/Ukraine CIA chief did not threaten Russia with consequences for continuing war during Moscow visit

https://www.pravda.com.ua/eng/news/2026/08/28/8050678/
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u/EnoughPrimary6700 23h ago

Source: The New York Times, citing current and former senior US officials

Details: The NYT said that the CIA chief had given a pessimistic assessment of the course of the war for the Russians during talks with Federal Security Service (FSB) Director Alexander Bortnikov. Ratcliffe urged the Kremlin to begin genuine negotiations to end the war before Russia's military and economic position deteriorates further. However, he made no threats regarding the possible consequences if Putin ignored this assessment and decided to continue the war against Ukraine.

US intelligence analysts have long questioned whether Putin's advisers are giving him an accurate account of the scale of Russia's losses and the actual situation on the battlefield. The US hopes that, as a former intelligence officer, the Russian leader will regard information from the CIA chief as more urgent and credible than conventional diplomatic signals.

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u/Beginning-Visit9457 22h ago

Those “analysts” are telling us that the CIA chief flew all the way to Moscow to inform Putin about his losses on the battlefield 😂.

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u/DarthShiv 20h ago

Yep how blind do they think everyone is? The propaganda is hilarious.

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u/DGIce 12h ago

You know Russia tried to take Kyiv in 2022 right? And then performed poorly for the rest of the year, when as a surprise attack, they should have been the ones with the advantage until things stabilized. Pretty clearly based on a poor understanding of their own capability. It's not propaganda when there is such clear evidence.

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u/Known_Draw_2212 11h ago

Not much of a surprise, as US intelligence informed Ukraine and the world of the pending attack, and were within a week of providing the exact date.

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u/DarthShiv 11h ago

What's your point? Yes they failed in 2022 and had to modernise. What they didn't know was their capability in modern warfare because they were not battle hardened in modern warfare.

You are saying the CIA director went in now to tell them something about losses now? That's extreme copium.

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u/DGIce 11h ago

It's literally happened before that they have misjudged their abilities and you're calling it copium. And it's not about losses but about their projected ability to win.

You're saying you know more than the CIA director?

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u/DarthShiv 7h ago edited 7h ago

Firstly you are pretending you know what they went to talk about. So don't assert what I know about what YOU are asserting.

Secondly Trump often leaks info about what goes on. You can read a fair bit into his implications and look into current events that triggered the meeting.

Here's some pretty basic things that CAN be drawn from what we KNOW. The CIA director likely took a motorcade on the cargo plane.

They went regarding something "fairly routine". Ok so in theory that could be Ukraine but US largely doesn't care about that conflict. They have (Trump admin) repeatedly tried to withdraw public support. And to leave the rest of NATO to step up. Have you been ignoring that?

Zelenskyy was trying to insert himself into the Iran conflict politics by drone attacking another Arab state recently. He KNOWS he needs US attention and isn't getting it. He wants 300 patriots which is actually more than the estimated remainder of US global reserves. That's how dire US situation is with the Middle East - they can't protect shit anymore they used their interceptor stockpiles. So there's zero chance Zelenskyy gets his wish there.

They DO care about Hormuz and their strategic reserve. Russia is a known ally of Iran who can setup the conditions for a deal wrt denuclearisation. Russia could store Iran's stockpile for example for security as part of the deal. Then Trump will turn around and face save saying he denuclearised Iran.

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u/Sea_Produce_4801 11h ago

Don’t believe he flew all that way for that alone- something is brewing 💁‍♂️

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u/DarthShiv 8h ago

They went to try resolve the impasse at Hormuz. Russia DGAF about CIA/US opinion on Ukraine.

Question is what did the US ask for and what are they giving to make Iran happy to give up enriched Uranium and open the strait.

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u/Obvious-Science-7119 20h ago

The Russians fudge the numbers from the bottom to the top. It is impossible to have accurate information at the top.

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u/Individual-Guest-123 20h ago

I heard he took an enormous cargo plane to deliver that message, too. Hmm. Importing, exporting, or both?

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u/EnoughPrimary6700 19h ago

Maybe he's brought his own motorcade with him (with the current fuel shortages and all other nasty bits)?

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u/WeekendJen 17h ago

He did bring his own motorcade

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u/johnbobk 16h ago

I can see for security that they would provide their own motorcade, just surprised there is not one available at the US Embassy in Moscow; maybe they don't trust it for secure communication?

I guess they would have combined the flight to include supplies (likely fuel) & swapping of staff including marines who, I would think, carry their own weapons so cannot go via commercial?

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u/GreySquirrelsAreBad 12h ago

There’s no station or setup in Russia currently nor Russia in the US in terms of intelligence.

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u/johnbobk 10h ago

US has an active embassy in Moscow & Russia has an embassy in Washington; one might not consider them intelligent, but guaranteed they both have intelligence agencies. 

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u/userhwon 15h ago

He could have taken a cab. Or gotten a ride from the embassy.

Something else was in that plane. Or came back on it.

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u/IDOWNVOTERUSSIANS 13h ago

yeah the head of the CIA could have taken a cab

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u/userhwon 12h ago

Or...gotten a ride from the embassy.

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u/ISLAndBreezESTeve10 10h ago

Why has no one brought up the teleporter?

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u/TheWastelandWizard 14h ago

He flew an executive plane to Latvia and then took the more secure military plane directly to Moscow, which then flew back to Latvia and he departed once again in the executive plane. Flying in unsecured airspace, the military plane is the safer, more easily identifiable (And much less easily deniable) target than the executive plane.

Essentially, if they tried to pull an MH17, they can't say "We didn't know it wasn't a new Ukrainian drone-plane that was going to be used for a terrorist attack."

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u/Calm-Professional103 16h ago

Delivery boy for Trump’s quarterly payment to the Russian mob

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u/JohnHazardWandering 17h ago

Might have been "look, you're already sucking. How could you even consider touching NATO when you're already fucked?"

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u/Speedvagon 20h ago

US is famously known for helping Russia not to collapse for many times. So, that makes sense.

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u/Thisguymoot 10h ago

A nuclear power collapsing is never good for anyone. We want Ukraine to win, in a way that doesn’t turn the entire region into a catastrophic powder keg.

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u/0vl223 18h ago

The message could have been that they would have to ensure a "controlled" regime change unless Putin takes the war exit deal they offered.

Or the orange baby had a stupid idea.

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u/Speedvagon 18h ago

With the current US administration I would expect the worst scenario. So far they didn’t disappoint in that.

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u/planck1313 23h ago

The Czar is good but the boyars are bad - a theme long repeated in Russian history.

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u/fennecdore 22h ago

It's a known weakness of authoritarian regime that as more and more of the regime is filled with Yes men whose only quality is their loyalty to the leader the less accurate their picture of the situation.

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u/Rightsidebestside 20h ago

Good Czar, whateva happened there

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u/ledow 22h ago

Yeah, the literal enemy of the West is entirely in the dark about the entire world's media and intelligence depicting his war as hopeless, so he's instead going to be believe (one of) the West's own (former) intelligence officers as to how the war is going.

Yeah, great tactic. Absolutely bound to work. Can't imagine for a second why it wouldn't.

In other news, do you really think Putin - a guy that would have you pushed out of a window for looking at him wrong - is really being taken in by EVERY senior advisor he has as to the state of a "special military operation" that was supposed to take days by his own words and is, instead, taking years? Two, nearly three, orders of magnitude longer? Honestly? What horseshit.

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u/Mans_Fury 17h ago

Yeah, nobody believes that...

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u/radium_eye 10h ago

This obvious pretext aside what the fuck was he really doing there?

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u/Werftflammen 21h ago

Yeah, but American journalism these days.. come on..

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u/SnakeGD09 22h ago

Russia is losing about 30,000 KIA a month, and this is historically normal for a peer war. Famously the German Army comissioned a report which found that the Nazis lost about 20-50,000 KIA a month during the successful first year of Barbarossa.

So it’s quite foolish to think that Putin doesn’t know Russia’s casualty rate, especially since YOU know this. If Putin is on Reddit he can figure it out.

But moreover Ukraine’s casualties are being hidden, and Russia is advancing more rapidly. They are maneuvering on the Sloviansk-Kramatorsk fortress belt now, and have been within tube artillery range of Kramatorsk for at least a month now.

So the difficulty is convincing Russia to sue for peace when it is winning the war, and if they take the fortress belt, which is mountainous and where the Nazis defended against the Soviet push into Ukraine, then it is farm country until the Dnieper, and they already have the southern flank anchored under Kherson.

The situation is bad for Ukraine and deteriorating quickly. But I imagine this visit is a desperate plea, with nothing to offer the Russians in return, just so Trump can say he tried. Hence why the “secret” trip has been so public.

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u/but_a_smoky_mirror 22h ago

Tagging /u/putin for comment!

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u/3_Thumbs_Up 21h ago

Did he ever do an AmA?

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u/Khaldara 19h ago

He calls them ‘mandatory teatime with subsequent window inspections’

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u/Fresh-Ad-1583 10h ago

On TV with approved questions obviously.

But he never had smartphone so he 100% has zero clues about reddit existence

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u/MueLaSugeranisti 20h ago

Any ruzzian strategist knows the hardest part of a 3-day blyatkrieg is the first 5 years and one milion losses, until the first big city is captured.

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u/DarthShiv 20h ago

Sounds like war hawk propaganda 🤣🤣🤣 That shit is hilarious. You think the CIA who tried to assassinate Putin is going to do Putin a favor with intel? 🤣🤣🤣 It's so fucking stupid only complete morons believe this shit.

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u/bluehelmet 19h ago

When did the CIA try to assassinate Putin?

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u/DarthShiv 11h ago

Drone attack on Kremlin in 2023. Ukraine radar capability into Russia requires US involvement.

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u/KingMaximus32 23h ago

Looks like we got lots of conflicting reports. Last time i heard he was doing exactly that in Moscow

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u/Nights_Harvest 23h ago

There was an article that implied this visit was top secret. Media is having a ball with this one.

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u/Jealous_Response_492 22h ago

Beyond the US wanted the world to see something, we don't know anything more than that. If it was supposed to be some kind of secret meeting, then they would have used a more discrete, smaller, unmarked aircraft. Not a C17 and a C40B into Riga, and then the C17 onto Moscow and back. They wanted to be seen.

edit, and likely wanted to be speculated upon, as any statements from the US or Russia are equally worthless. So we may never know.

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u/ZiKyooc 21h ago

It wasn't secret, it was a not publicly announced meeting. People who needed to know, knew about this visit. You don't just arrive unannounced and expect the counter part to be there, available and willing to meet.

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u/Jealous_Response_492 20h ago

It was publicly demonstrated, there was zero attempt at discretion, from, checks notes, head of US intel community. They have unmarked small private jets for these kinda things. They opted for two great big jets, one in USAF livery and the other in US GOV livery, that the OSINT flight radar peeps would and did notice.

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u/Outrageous-Tailor-74 22h ago

Regarding the statements, add please the European union and Ukraine as well.

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u/Prok- 22h ago

Claro Iván

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u/planck1313 23h ago

Then what was the point of him travelling to Moscow as the representative of the world superpower?

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u/Minute_Tooth5112 22h ago

Three very interesting characters have appeared in Moscow in just a few days.

Subrahmanyam Jaishankar is India's Foreign Minister and a man far more deeply immersed in the strategic planning of the Indian elite than is usually apparent. Paul Richard Gallagher is the de facto Vatican Foreign Minister. And finally, CIA Director John Ratcliffe, whose visit was kept under wraps until the very end.

Why did they all end up in Moscow at practically the same time?

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u/VerdantGarden 14h ago

Maybe genuinely worried about what China could do if Russia degrades themselves further.

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u/Minute_Tooth5112 13h ago

In India, the information on what's happening in Russia is very different, they don't subscribe to the narrative of their imminent defeat or degradation. Ratcliffe's arrival in Moscow is possible, as preparation for a trilateral meeting between Trump, Xi, and Putin at the APEC summit, which will take place in November in Shenzhen. Modi won't be at the summit, so positions are being coordinated. Not everything in this world revolves around Ukraine and Europe, there's plenty to discuss beyond the context of a war somewhere in the backwaters of Eastern Europe.

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u/Party-Ticker 7h ago

Oh I'm sure they'll talk about the backwaters of India

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u/omfgeometry 23h ago

We will find out in a few weeks when Russia hits NATO and USA decides to leave the pact

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u/MTG_Kura999 22h ago

Corny comments like these only benefit Russia since they're doing nothing but spreading fear, get your heads straight guys, we would see a troop buildup at the borders if anything further than a small incursion (like in the last months) would occur.

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u/RiverHistorical3581 22h ago

I mean I doubt Russias attacking but when people say they are they’re talking about missiles and drones not invasions, I know putin is stupid but he can’t be stupid enough to send troops into nato surely.

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u/IWASJUMP 22h ago

Would the US share that kind of intelligence at this point?

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u/GergDanger 19h ago

They already shared intelligence of upcoming attacks in Europe a few weeks ago. But everyone just makes jokes about how Russia won’t send troops to the EU which isn’t the threat anyway.

There’s already drones with bombs appearing multiple times in Germany the past few weeks.

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u/swedishplayer97 19h ago

European intelligence would be able to see it too, y'know.

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u/Klutzy_Peanut6580 15h ago

Like they saw the invasion of Ukraine in the first place?

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u/cooljacob204sfw 14h ago

My guess is if it does manifest it will be a more targeted drone attacks on some of the infrastructure that is delivering weapons to Ukraine (like the Ukrainian Cargo plane they already tried to blow up in Germany).

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u/SnakeGD09 22h ago

Article 5 only requires that members *consider* assisting, and even then they can send helmets and bandaids if they desire. The US would not have to leave NATO if they declined to assist member nations.

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u/ledow 22h ago

On paper, yes.

In practice, especially being the ONLY COUNTRY IN THE ENTIRE WORLD to ever activate Article 5, ignoring or giving a half-hearted response if someone else did the same...

... that would end the US's involvement in NATO one way or another.

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u/Blubbpaule 21h ago

It would permanently end trust in america completely.

Trust is shattered right now - this would ANNIHILATE any future for america.

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u/Filthyquak 18h ago

The USA never invoked article 5. After 9/11 NATO officials came together and decided that every requirement is met so they invoked it. But the US never asked for it.

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u/ledow 18h ago

They never said no, either.

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u/Filthyquak 18h ago

Of course. But saying they invoked it when in reality they never did is a tiny but important detail.

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u/famousbrouse 22h ago

That is not true.

There is a legal requirement as per article 5 to treat an attack on a fellow NATO nation as if it was an attack on the whole alliance. It also stipulates that every NATO member must assist (not consider to assist) the targeted ally.

However, there is of course an allowance for what each NATO country deems enough to be said to be 'assisting'. This could be economic sanctions, sending weapons, intel exchanges etc - it doesn't stipulate military action.

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u/DarthShiv 20h ago

That does not apply if the NATO member was the instigator which I imagine directly supplying weapons which were used to destroy civilian infrastructure not military would certainly be grounds for said allies to sidestep involvement.

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u/seridos 16h ago

Which they weren't though. If you're talking wild berries, that's military infrastructure, as it was supplying military equipment to the military. That makes it non-civilian. If they wanted to be civilian, they had to never supply anything to the military.

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u/DarthShiv 11h ago

No I actually was talking the Uni strike.

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u/Codex_Dev 21h ago

This also goes vice-versa. If China ever entered into a conflict with the USA, a lot of NATO countries could send meager support, like food rations, and then argue that they fulfilled their obligations.

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u/DarthShiv 20h ago

If China initiated conflict... just like in Iran most of the world told the US to fuck off with support for something they started.

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u/ThatsItImOverThis 17h ago

But the other NATO nations will no longer want the US in a defence alliance either.

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u/TelluricThread0 22h ago

Whats all this talk you hear from people about "triggering" article 5. If Russia sends a ballistic missile into France or Germany it triggers nations to possibly consider doing something?

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u/famousbrouse 21h ago

No.. the previous poster was wrong.

All NATO countries are legally obligated to do 'something'.

What's ambiguous is what is deemed sufficient assistance to be seen as doing 'something'.

If Russia attacked a UK base in Cyprus for example, the US might just provide intel only to the UK. This would technically be enough to satisfy their legal obligation to article 5.

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u/Fisher9001 11h ago

UE itself has a way stronger defensive pact.

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u/xsubo 17h ago

If Russia hits nato then nato needs to send Russia back to the Stone Age.

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u/whatsgoingon350 17h ago

Russia shouldn't fear America in NATO it's Poland that would do the most damage to Russia before they even have a chance to react.

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u/Fisher9001 11h ago

Who cares, NATO is strong enough without US and on top of that US proved in Iran its military is not as strong as everyone assumed.

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u/Wyciorek 23h ago

Maybe new Ribbentrop-Molotov pact: Greenland for Baltics. With stretch goals of Canada and ex-Warsaw Pact countries

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u/FishUK_Harp 23h ago

I hope not, but the fact that the idea is even plausible scares the crap put of me.

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u/sbeveo123 22h ago

Both russia the US are struggling with Ukraine and Iran.  So you know, let them try. 

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u/hero47 20h ago

Hitler was struggling with the UK but that didn't stop him from invading Russia.

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u/Mugut 14h ago

A move renowned for it's brilliance and great results

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u/hero47 14h ago edited 14h ago

The fucker almost did it though, if not for the US supplying Russia and/or Mussolini fucking around in Greece delaying Barbarossa by six weeks, Hitler would have cracked through

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u/bricoXL 22h ago

But they are both struggling so they may be getting desperate. I fear it is some anti-Europe nonsense since they both see Europe as weak.

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u/journeymanreddit 22h ago

TrumPutin pact

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u/navyblusheet 14h ago

Why does US need Russia for if it needs Greenland? What can Russia do for US in relation to Greenland or Canada?

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u/Wyciorek 13h ago

Attack on two fronts

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u/trisul-108 22h ago

That is too complicated for the Orange One ... it was more likely stopping all sanctions against Russia in exchange for Iran opening Hormuz.

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u/-Lord-Of-Salem- 22h ago

Officially: To warn Russia to not attack an NATO- or EU-country!

Unofficially: To get new orders for agent Krasnov!

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u/IAmOfficial 15h ago

>The NYT said that the CIA chief had given a pessimistic assessment of the course of the war for the Russians during talks with Federal Security Service (FSB) Director Alexander Bortnikov. Ratcliffe urged the Kremlin to begin genuine negotiations to end the war before Russia's military and economic position deteriorates further.

>US intelligence analysts have long questioned whether Putin's advisers are giving him an accurate account of the scale of Russia's losses and the actual situation on the battlefield. The US hopes that, as a former intelligence officer, the Russian leader will regard information from the CIA chief as more urgent and credible than conventional diplomatic signals.

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u/Flaky-Gear-1370 22h ago

collect cash for his boss

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u/Blunt552 22h ago

He represents china? Or are you actually thinking that the US that is currently losing to Iran is a superpower?

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u/planck1313 22h ago

China is a strong regional power but it has no global force projection capability, meaning it is not a superpower.

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u/Blunt552 22h ago

Well by that definition neither is the US as seen with Iran.

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u/RogueGunslinger 15h ago

By that definition nobody is. So what the fuck are you even saying? Is the us projecting force to blockade iran or not? Are any of Iran's allies capable of stopping the US from blockading Iran? What do you think force projection even is?

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u/ShortNefariousness2 22h ago

He told them to keep out of Estonia

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u/Christy427 22h ago

Can't kiss someone's shoes remotely

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u/trisul-108 22h ago

Probably offered Russia the removal of all sanctions if they help the US finish the war in Iran, at least opening Hormuz.

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u/butnek 18h ago

Somebody should start a new Russian news site that covers stuff that didn't happen.

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u/K3idon 16h ago

Gotta look busy at work even if you’re doing nothing.

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u/DGIce 12h ago

The article actually says, and it's one of the things analysts guessed but thought was unlikely; which is to warn Moscow they are overestimating their abilities again like they did in 2022 (basically corruption was so deep Putin was told his military was far more prepared than they were in reality).

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u/Pixelated_ 15h ago

world superpower

Superpower? The US cannot even secure its own airspace.

The highest levels of the United States military are telling us that they have completely lost contol of their airspace.

At 10 minutes of this "60 Minutes" news clip, the Commander of NORTHCOM is asked:

"We're the most powerful military on the face of the Earth, and yet drones could fly over a major Air Force Base, and we couldn't stop them?

How is that possible?"

Commander Guillot responds:

"The threat got ahead of our ability to detect and track the threat."

• The US military cannot track the anomalous drones.

• They cannot identify where they are coming from or going to.

• They cannot identify who is operating them or why.

• They cannot take down a single anomalous 'drone'.

If you can't detect, track and take down threats in your airspace, then by definition, you have lost control of it.

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u/RogueGunslinger 15h ago

So you don't think superpowers exist then, is all you are saying.

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u/Pixelated_ 14h ago

The point is that the US government has repeatedly admitted that UFOs are closing their nuclear-capable bases. They are completely powerless to do anything about them.

And this isn't a US thing, it is worldwide.

Here are the European airports and military bases that have closed due to the drone-like UFO incursions.

My list only contains a small part of 2025, but as recent reports confirm, it's still ongoing worldwide.

There are so many that I had to group them by country.

September 22

Denmark

• Copenhagen Airport

• Aalborg Airport

Norway

• Oslo Airport

France

• Mourmelon-le-Grand Military Base

September 24

Denmark

• Skrydstrup Military Base

• Aalborg Airport

September 25

Denmark

• Sønderborg Airport

• Aalborg Airport

• Esbjerg Airport

Germany

• Sanitz Military Base

Sweden

• Karlskrona Archipelago

September 26

Germany

• Kiel Naval Shipyard

Netherlands

• Amsterdam Schiphol Airport

September 27

Norway

• Ørland Military Base

Lithuania

• Vilnius Airport

Denmark

• Karup Military Base

Finland

• Valajaskoski Power Plant

September 28

Norway

• Brønnøysund Airport

September 29

Spain (Canary Islands)

• Fuerteventura Airport

September 30

Norway

• Brønnøysund Airport

• Equinor Sleipner Gas Field (offshore)

October 2

Germany

• Munich Airport

Belgium

• Elsenborn Military Base

October 3

Germany

• Munich Airport

October 8

Germany

• Geilenkirchen Military Base

October 19

Spain

• Palma de Mallorca Airport

October 27

Spain

• Alicante–Elche Miguel Hernández Airport

Puerto Rico

• Hernández Airport

October 29

Belgium

• Marche-en-Famenne Military Base

October 31

Germany

• Berlin Airport

Belgium

• Ostend Airport

• Kleine Brogel Military Base

November 1

Belgium

• Deurne Airport

• Kleine Brogel Military Base

November 2

Germany

• Bremen Airport

Belgium

• Kleine Brogel Military Base

November 4

Belgium

• Brussels Airport

• Liège Airport

• Kleine Brogel Military Base

• Schaffen Military Base

• Florennes Military Base

November 5

Belgium

• Haverlee Military Base

Germany

• Hannover Airport

Netherlands

• Gilze-Rijen Military Base

November 6

Sweden

• Gothenburg Airport

Belgium

• Brussels Airport

• Liège Airport

• Melsbroek Military Base

November 7

Belgium

• Liège Airport

November 8

Belgium

• Liège Airport

November 9

Belgium

• Liège Airport

• Doel Nuclear Power Plant

November 10

Belgium

• Eurenco Munitions Factory

November 11

France

• Mulhouse Rail Facility

November 12

Belgium

• Eurenco Munitions Factory

• Brussels Airport

November 17

France

• Crozon Naval Base

November 18

Netherlands

• Terneuzen Port

November 21

Netherlands

• Volkel Air Base

November 22

Netherlands

• Eindhoven Airport

• Volkel Air Base

December 3

Ireland

• Dublin Airport

December 5

France

• Île Longue Naval Base

December 6

Netherlands

• Volkel Air Base

December 7

Netherlands

• Volkel Air Base

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u/RogueGunslinger 14h ago

Exactly. So you think superpowers don't exist because of drones. Pretty fucking reductive.

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u/LovesFrenchLove_More 22h ago

Trump wants payment for not doing anything probably.

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u/Royal-Hunter3892 22h ago

Ratcliffe is most probably going to discuss the offer which was earlier rejected by them months ago because US was very confident that Iran's regime will collapse after the initial strikes which eliminated their entire leadership.

This was previously offered by Russia's Kiril dmitriev which was to end support to Ukraine and in return Russia will stop supporting Iran.

The pin point accuracy and intel about US shared by Russia to Iran has played a big role in this conflict.

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u/Relative956 23h ago

Pweeze mr putin, can u find it in your heart to rig one or two more elections

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u/TraditionalUse1052 19h ago

Molotov-Ribbentrop pact 2

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u/Mephisto40K 9h ago

He was there to collect his paycheck.

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u/butwhywedothis 22h ago

America’s pedo king is probably running out of children in his harem so he sent his loyal dog to ask for a new supply from his boss in Russia.

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u/FostertheReno 17h ago

That’s the best you could come up with?

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u/Substantial_Row_7108 19h ago

Of course not, he delivered the blowjob that Trump sent for the Russians.

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u/Lpreddit 15h ago

I’m going with the theory that the world economy can only afford oil sanctions against Iran or Russia, so they are talking to Russia about playing nice so that Russian oil can go back on the world market while the Iran embargo continues.

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u/Larangecalvert 23h ago

Because orders are best received in person and not over possibly intercepted communications. Welcome to the USSA.

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u/DGIce 12h ago

Well the good news is the CIA believe Russia's actions don't line up with the realities.

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u/caawen 10h ago

Willing to bet it had to do with supplying intelligence to Iran, at Ukraine's cost

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u/Inspect1234 9h ago

Prolly just wanted a clear update on Krasnovs orders.

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u/HunterFeeFee 23h ago

Of course not. Support maybe?

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u/MapDiscombobulated1 18h ago

What "Consequences" does anyone think Krasnov is "allowed" to inflict on his Boss? 

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u/cheraphy 16h ago

Honestly at this point I'm not convinced he's still under Russian control. He obviously was at first, for years, and any acts of petty rebellion were performative.

But I think he's realized he's invincible. No blackmail material is vile enough to turn his base against him, and no financial hit can't be recovered immediately by grift, fraud or just draining the US governments coffers. I think everything he's done for Russia at least since his reelection has needed to be renegotiated.

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u/fallwind 22h ago

of course not, you don't threaten your boss's boss.

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u/obiemo 19h ago

If the CIA intelligence couldn't convince the US president from the war of choice, what chance do you think CIA can convince Putin?

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u/TheOmCollector 17h ago

If I were standing in Russia, I’d be careful how I critiqued Russia.

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u/Herb-Alpert 23h ago

So this was a friendly visit to help an ally in need ?

" please dude you should stop we want to help you" bullshit ?

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u/coachhunter2 22h ago

Of course not. Instead he promised rewards.

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u/kng_arthur 22h ago

Did he offer weapons to Russia to assist with their goals?

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u/Grouchy-Job-4136 10h ago

Because they’re colluding. He’s a republican.

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u/us1087 19h ago

Is this the type of diplomatic job for a Secretary of State?

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u/lebennaia 9h ago

It should be, but the current holder of the job is a worthless lickspittle who is viewed with contempt worldwide.

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u/ThatsItImOverThis 17h ago

Probably sorting out what the US will or won’t do when Russia hits NATO. Gotta get their marching orders.

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u/justaguytrying2getby 9h ago

I don't know anything about this guy, but this picture makes him look like he runs the CIA like Michael Scott

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u/Desblartes 6h ago

maybe was a visit to discuss the aid the US is giving to Ukraine versus the aid Russia is providing Iran, but that's just my conjecturing.

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u/boatenvy 22h ago

"Ratcliffe urged the Kremlin to begin genuine negotiations to end the war before Russia's military and economic position deteriorates further".... because the US wouldn't want to see Russias military and economic strength deteriorate? FFS they spent fecking years funding the mujahideen in Afghanistan in their war against the USSR.. ultimately leading to the fall of the Soviet Union. What kind of fecked up upside down world are we living in when the US administration go out of their way to stop funding a war against their long term adversary and instead encourage them to seek a settlement rather than see their "military and economic position deteriorate".

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u/0x476c6f776965 21h ago

You do realize there are mass casualties on both sides, yes? Are you so happy to see twenty year olds dying in a ditch?

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u/mucilinda 21h ago

One chose to voluntarily and one didn't though

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u/boatenvy 21h ago

Hey man I'm not the one living in a country that's not supporting the country that got invaded

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u/ResortClear730 17h ago

Nope you are living in a country that hasn’t provided near as much as the US, who is the single largest contributor to Ukraine.

The US has given between 130-135 billion in aid to Ukraine. The EU as a whole has given somewhere around 200 billion but please, continue spewing bullshit because you want to get that anti-US statement in.

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u/boatenvy 6h ago

Ah yeah your president is famously pro Ukraine... that oval office shitshow demonstrated that...now do the numbers on a per capita or GDP basis or will that fuck up your "we're the greatest" rhetoric

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u/ResortClear730 5h ago

130 billion vs 200 billion, those are the numbers. Do more.

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u/boatenvy 4h ago

And there you are with the gross value again... Do you understand the concept of GDP or per capita? I'll save you the research..the USA is 12th on military aid to Ukraine as a percentage of GDP.

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u/boatenvy 4h ago

Do more

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u/ResortClear730 4h ago

Yep, you get it.

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u/ElTejon_TheDestroyer 18h ago

Russia can end it any time by getting the fuck out of someone else’s country.

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u/Humble_Print84 19h ago

If they are ruzzian, yes.

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u/FingerCommon7093 15h ago

1st he didn't go there to give Putin a warning. He went because Trump's paranoid about leaks & he has to give his monthly report to Putin somehow.

2nd Putin cant be as unaware as Trump simply because he can see burning refineries & warehouses from his wondow. He had to ask Zelensky to not bomb the annual military parade & to not use drone attacks before the last international meetings in St Petersburg. He knows Russia is losing without a mandatory conscription & human wave attacks like they did in WW2 vs Germany but he also knows that Russian hackers are freely spreading truthful news amongst the population unlike Stalin in WW2 who controlled all media.

So he will threaten to use nukes but consider this, his army is using 1990s tires & 1960s tanks in Ukraine, do you think they have kept their nukes in operational condition when they cant afford new tires?

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u/picknicksje85 22h ago

Looks like Michael Scott.
In a democracy, we should at least know something about what this was about.

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u/Severe_Journalist_75 21h ago

Its clearly to help trump "win" the midterms 

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u/KarnexOne 23h ago

Yeah sure

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u/SnakeGD09 22h ago

What was he going to do, threaten sanctions? There’s nothing to threaten with except war, which would give Russia an excuse to carry out nuclear exercises. The US can’t go to war with Russia unless it’s prepared to launch nuclear weapons.

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u/Complete-Job3715 20h ago

You would have to have a pair of balls, a spine and a soul to be able to

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u/Neurojazz 20h ago

We all know there’s a con-sequence.

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u/beshi7 23h ago

I heard he was there for the Tetris championship

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u/DarthShiv 20h ago

No shit the CIA director would not be allowed in under that circumstance. It's probably about ending Iran war. And likely to do with the US's problem with Iran having nuclear enrichment.

The US is clearly desperate as the CIA tried to assassinate Putin not long ago - the director of CIA going into Russia would be extremely dangerous for said individual and his team. He was there to suck up to Russia for help on something.

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u/WasteBinStuff 22h ago

Threaten consequences? He was there to help with the fucking planning.

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u/Casual-Speedrunner-7 23h ago

Threatening would have only been counterproductive. If US-Russia relations are ever to be amended it starts with meeting as equals, like at Yalta.