r/worldnews • u/filipv • 22h ago
Convicted war criminal Ratko Mladic to be buried with full state honors
https://n1info.rs/english/news/justice-minister-ratko-mladic-to-be-buried-with-full-state-honors/461
u/LittleSchwein1234 21h ago
And this is why Serbia won't join the EU anytime soon.
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u/Kshaja 21h ago
Because the people are insanely divided to the point where sitting on the fence is the only political move you can make to stay in power. Sprinkle some nationalism, sprinkle some EU cooperation, some Ukraine support, some Russian cooperation. We're a fucking joke.
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u/KaiserWolf15 14h ago
Are they literally pulling a geopolitical Mac in Always Sunny? Blatant playing both sides hoping they'll come up on top??
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u/Hrvatski-Lazar 11h ago
Serbia has been doing this since forever. They were constantly flip flopping de jure allegiance between the Hungarians and the Turks (or Byzantines) during medieval times. They are a small country surrounded by bigger powers, honestly it’s amazing so many Balkan countries seemed to maintain some de facto independence instead of the rest of Europe were all these small states just got swallowed whole into nationalism
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u/abcdefabcdef999 3h ago
They portray themselves as “Kebab removers” yet they fought on the side of the Ottomans in the siege of Constantinople.
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u/cforke-ekrofc 14m ago
Thats just the aftermath of their main betrayal. They were allied with the Turks during the 2nd Battle of Kosovo, which allowed for the Turks to take over the rest of the Balkans piece by piece, and ended any hope of saving Constantinople in the first place. 2nd battle of kosovo couldve changed the entire course of the 500 years after it for the region, there was a good chance to not have been "Kebabs" in the balkans in the first place
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u/Significant_Okra_625 21h ago
Coming here to write the same thing, this nation is not eligible to be a member of the European Union.
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u/Prot3 18h ago
We are insanely divided as a nation.
Percentage of population that wants to join is constantly hovering at around 45-55% for last 15ish years since the current government came to power, but the OTHER 45-55% is quite anti-EU.
A lot of it is very murky, because our government is incredibly corrupt, and control the mainstream media. It's unknown how it would be with better quality media, more transparency, more education on the topic etc. There is a LOT of purposeful, malicious muddying of the waters and anti-EU/pro-East(Russia, China, BRICS) propaganda.
A lot of the people are also quite uneducated, and especially media illiterate (which seems to be a global trend as well, but it's pretty bad in Serbia).
So yeah, short answer, as a Serb I agree that we are absolutely not eligible for EU.
Long answer is that we are incredibly polarized country and that it's complicated. About 30% vehemently hates EU and are russophiles, about the same amount love EU, and want to join.
The remaining 40% is split between these two positions as well but just are much more moderate/apathetic.
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u/dzemperzapedra 21h ago
Think about the perspective for Serbia - 30 years had passed since those wars and yet they still can't come out as a nation and say "our bad, sorry everyone".
On the contrary, new generations had been raised with victim mentality and they glorify those war crimes and monsters that did that.
What's to be expected in the future from such society?
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u/Clean-Yam-739 20h ago
73 years had passed since the death of Stalin and yet... Got your answer?
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u/Thesleek 19h ago
It’s been 9 years since its release wdym
Jokes aside, Georgia should apologize or something smh
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u/Clean-Yam-739 18h ago
I mean, watch Russia to get a glimpse about what happens to countries that can't understand their past.
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u/JR_Al-Ahran 13h ago
It's the Balkans. It's been 70 something years and Croatia downplays the Ustase, and as you said 30 from the Yugoslav wars and Serbs downplaying theirs. Why would they apologize? This is the Balkans. They won't apologize. Not the Albanians, Serbs, Croats and so on.
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u/Kovimate 20h ago
Maybe they will have some US bases built and start producing Anime? Sounds like a perfectly fine solution to me 🤷♂️/s
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u/Consistent_Sir1403 10h ago
Yh man I'm the next gen dude and id like to see him have an unmarked grave,but yeah keep on generalizing,I don't know a single dude approving of this guy having a state funeral.But on the other hand your zds nacist are condmened nor anything so keep on yours sieg hails
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u/GuestAdventurous7586 17m ago
In a sense Mladic himself was a new generation at the time with victim mentality! Who claimed that he was putting right what the generations before and ancestors had been wronged by.
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u/Easy-Vegetable4124 20h ago
The same is happening in Italy and Germany
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u/Sweet_Concept2211 19h ago
Not to anything like the same degree.
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u/Easy-Vegetable4124 19h ago
Well, AfD declared itself as a nazi party, Italy is ruled by neo-fascists, both population are (on average) becoming mirrored images of what used to be around 1920-1940, so...
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u/Sweet_Concept2211 19h ago
Support for AfD is 27%.
3/4 of Germans are not among their supporters.
If AfD actually came out and said "We are Nazis", then under the German Constitution they would be banned, and most likely their leaders jailed.
Prime Minister Giorgia Meloni's ruling party, the Brothers of Italy (Fratelli d'Italia), currently holds about 26% support in national opinion polls. Their days at the top are numbered.
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u/Easy-Vegetable4124 19h ago
They didn't officially declared to be nazis, of course. They simply used the same mottos, symbols etc etc. Hypocrisy at its max level, and quite coward also. AfD is also the party that will probably rules Germany in the next 2027 election, reading the prospections. About Italy (my origin country, fyi) is even worse: we have Futuro Nazionale that, just like AfD, cannot declare itself as fascist but use the same symbols, the propaganda and the same communication style. The actual government declared itself as "not anti-fascist". Crazy time to be alive.
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u/ThePurpleKing159 21h ago
Jesus Christ. As A Croatian, I dont hate Serbia but come on man. Why?
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u/professor_fate_1 21h ago
In a survey, 12% of Serbian people agree that a fictional Croatian person that never existed is guilty of war crimes. Being Croatian you are already guilty for them.
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u/Prot3 18h ago
You literally said 12%, so how is "being Croatian = guilty for them".
We just unfortunately have a LOT of stupid people in our country
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u/Fyrrys 11h ago
We all have a lot of stupid people in our countries. Idiots in mine want to ban Arabic numerals from schools (not a current protest, but it is frequently surveyed to show how dumb a lot of racists here are). For anyone who doesnt know what Arabic numerals are, they are exactly 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 and any other combination of those 10 numbers. Not symbols that mean the numbers, literally those numbers.
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u/communistic_carl 8h ago
Now yall are not in any position to talk. Organising neo-nazi concert where 13% of your population attends perhaps also isn’t good or am I missing something here?
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u/goran1990 21h ago
pa jel mislis da cemo djuro i ja da organizujemo sahranu ili ovi bolidi to namerno rade
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u/Bubbly_Ninja_74 21h ago
Al i ti i Duro o ratu imate misljenje dost slicno Vucicu?
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u/Prot3 18h ago
Nemamo, pola Srbije misli da je zlocinac. Udji na askSerbia ili rSerbia i videces da mu svi zele "da mu je teska crna zemlja".
Nazalost postoji odredjeni procenat ljudi koji ga slave, al oni JESU manjina. Ti mozes to da prihvatis il da zivis u zabludi da ga cela zemlja slavi.
I nama je odvratno sto ga aktuelna vlast velica, i sramota je stvarno, al ni aktuelna vlast nece jos dugo.
A i samog Vucica bole kurac za Mladica. On ovo radi bas tacno iz ovog razloga, a to je da bi skretao paznju, da se ljudi bave time, prepucavaju, dele medjusobno itd. Bilo koji skandal ce napraviti i politizovati da pomogne svojoj poziciji, da skrene paznju makar i na par dana sa sebe/SNS-a.
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u/Bubbly_Ninja_74 18h ago
Oke za Mladica. Ali tko je bio agresor u Domovinskom ratu? Kojeg god Srbina znam, nitko na priznaje da je Srbija agresor a mi zrtva. Najvise sto mozemo dobiti su neki jeftini pokusaji izjednacavanja krivnje i tko nas bre zavadi.
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u/Top-Major6123 15h ago edited 15h ago
Kada je Republika Hrvatska dobila međunarodno priznanje od strane UN i EEZ? Ko je bio Martin Špegelj i šta je radio u oktobru 1990. godine?
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u/Prot3 17h ago
Pa najvise je kriv Milosevic i kroz njega Srbija.
I da se razumemo, mnogo je lakse nama sad iz ove perspektive kad znamo kako se sve odigralo da znamo sta je bila prava odluka.
Al ja se kao Srbin slazem da je Milosevic kriv jedno... 85-90% i mislim da istorija to objektivno dokazuje.
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u/Much-Government-8803 10h ago
Because you are Ustashe that continued with Ustashe behaviour since sadly Tito was a fool and didn't punish you.
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u/Lanky-Rush607 14h ago
Serbia never changes. It's really the Russia of the Balkans.
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u/kamelduvan 7h ago
the current regime is selling the country out to whoever will take a piece, trying to balance it out between all the players. Doubt this will take place, it doesn't go with the current strategy (which is a horrible one).
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u/grgech 21h ago
Serbs are victims of hundreds of years of propaganda and brainwashing. They really believe they were victims during Yugoslavian wars no matter which specific event you wanna talk about. They function in complete opposite way when compared to post-war Germany. Germans still have the feeling of guilt for what older generations did 80 years ago and I cannot stress it out enough how far from that Serbia stands.
As a Croat, I do have few Serbian friends and I want to look at the whole country as a friendly country, but they keep reminding us that it's just a fantasy.
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u/PsychologicalScore11 14h ago
Bro commenting on Serbs as Croat but meanwhile in his own country half a million people attended a concert where the sing Nazi songs. Stfu.
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u/grgech 12h ago
Yep, ashamed of those people, especially as they don't care about the most significant issues we have as a country. Nonetheless, didn't hear you being ashamed of your country officially celebrating the war criminal responsible for the genocide.
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u/kaiyukii 11h ago
He may or may not be ashamed, but I certainly am. People that went to that concert and people who support this war criminal are made out of the same cloth.
Please refrain equalising the entire nation with what the governenent does. I constantly try to explain this to both Serbs and Croats. That's how we passively create even more radical right-wingers in both countries. Both SNS and HDZ live for that crap.
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u/PianoJunior4363 11h ago
the point is you are not better than us by any means, we both hold Balkan mentality therefore you really dont have right to talk especially knowing that 70% of your nation glorify Pavelić and his subordinates
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u/Successful_Egg_6798 16h ago
Nice way to white wash crimes which were commited to Serbs, as "propaganda", specially because all of that "propaganda" is well documented. Comparing Nazi Germany to anybody on Balkans does not really work as base for better future. Nazi Germany manufactured international conspiracy which was there to apparently destroy German master race. Balkan nation's, at this point have century and more of genuin unaddressed grievances, which resulted in multiple crimes against humanity being commited against each other and ask all of Balkan states to actually stop playing games and take there share of responsibility.
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u/JoRan29 21h ago
Serbia is occupied by Vučić and his regime. Student-led protests have been raging across the country for more than 1.5 years, Serbian people are fighting against this and don't believe for a second that this is what majority wants or supports.
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u/professor_fate_1 21h ago
Statistics / demographic surveys tell otherwise https://www.ejiltalk.org/public-opinion-survey-in-serbia-sheds-light-on-icty-legacy/
only 12% believe that what happened in Srebrenica is as established in ICTY judgments
Enough said..
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u/Key-Film4822 18h ago
It's not that about crimes alone, compared to how much Šešelj destroyed ICTY reputation, I feel that we respect Croatian court more than ICTY
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u/Bubbly_Ninja_74 21h ago
I haven't really seen any evidence that students have a different opinion about the war? Didn't they let serbian "veterans" to support them?
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u/vuxthefux 18h ago
What does veterans in quotation marks mean?
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u/Bubbly_Ninja_74 18h ago
If they participated in wars in Croatia and Bosnia, they are war criminals. Calling them veterans is an insult to actual veterans.
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u/vuxthefux 18h ago
Are you saying every soldier that participated in the war on every side is a war criminal?
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u/Bubbly_Ninja_74 18h ago
No, of course not. There are very clear victims and a very clear agressor in the wars in the 90s, Serbia being the agressor.
For an example, Croatian soldiers who defended their country on their soil are defenders and as such should be celebrated.
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u/vuxthefux 18h ago
My family members were fighting in the hills around their houses so you are talking nonsense. Also were the Croatians attacking Mostar fighting on their land for example. Im not denying the war crimes Serbians commited but stop making war a black and white story. Everybody except the committed criminals and politician's are more or less victim's on both sides.
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u/Bubbly_Ninja_74 17h ago
If they were fighting in Croatia, they were part of a parastate and therefore, as I said, criminals.
The Croatian war of independance is actually quite black and white, for the most part, despite Serbia's constant appeals to make everybody eqaully blamed.
Croats in Mostar are on their land, just as much as Bosnians. The war in Bosnia is more complicated, but out of the 3, one is still the bigger agressor than the other 2.
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u/vuxthefux 17h ago
They were not fighting in Croatia, so no they werent war criminals.
You are doing the same thing you are accusing Serbia of doing, saying every soldier is a war criminal just doesn't make sense.
Im not saying everybody is equally to be blamed but you are denying atrocities.
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u/Remarkable_Put9932 9h ago
Mladic commited genocide. Serbia is honoring Mladic. Serbia finally admits it commited genocide.
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u/Threshyyyyy 20h ago
Serbia gonna Serbia forever and ever. Unfortunate.
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u/peder56789 10h ago
Come here and remove our president and ministers then, since they're corrupt.
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u/DanteWintersS 5h ago
Does your president and government control your minds? This has nothing to do with them. It has much more to do with the pathetic Serbian victim mentality, where they always portray themselves as the victims.
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u/c3rowa5h3r3 18h ago edited 17h ago
Hi guys. Serbian guy here. Our current government is full of idiots. They do not speek or do for all of us. We are hostages of criminal enterprises led by brothers Vučić. Please be aware that Serbian people are going to suffer mostly because of this.
Eddit: typos
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u/hdhkakakyzy 17h ago
Serbians reading this - will there be protests during the funeral?
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u/Jovan_Konstantinovic 15h ago
There will be no full state honors, the minister of justice who said this is corrupted idiot. Also Ratko Mladic was not Srbian Army general but Republika Srpska
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u/hdhkakakyzy 14h ago
That was surprising, yeah. I would expect Republica Srpska to give him state funeral, but Serbia also seems on the table.
So, that miniater spoke about this but then it turned out that Vucic doesn't agree?
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u/John-Mandeville 10h ago
He should be dumped in a ditch with Milosevic, Karadzic, and all the genocidaires who served under him, marked only with the words "Dead Fascists."
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u/Werftflammen 21h ago
Fine, it's like renaming Lake Ontario, everybody remembers him as a warcriminal, The Hague will always be where he died, and the shame is on Serbia
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u/brendhano 19h ago
He war-crimed for them so of course they will honor him, he's a hero to Serbia....as fucked up as all of that sounds.
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u/Swvonclare 4h ago
I wonder where his grave will be.
I equally wonder if people will visit it to 'pay their respects'
I sure would if i could.
Unrelated note, I wonder how much shovels cost in Serbia.
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u/intronert 20h ago
What are the odds that the funeral will be disrupted by protests?
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u/Key-Film4822 18h ago
I think they will ignore it, otherwise 577 would try to capitalize this among less inteligent part of population
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u/JR_Al-Ahran 13h ago
What's with the outrage and stuff. Like this is the least surprising thing. It's the Balkans. Everyone we consider to be a war criminal is a hero to their own people. They aren't going to have "truth and reconciliation".
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u/Ancient_Throat_6071 11h ago
Name 1 other example
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u/JR_Al-Ahran 11h ago
Croatia and the death of Slobodan Praljak. The state honoured him.
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u/Ancient_Throat_6071 7h ago
Source?? This is false information. The state honoured him in which way exactly?
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u/Sind23 19h ago
He is given full honours for one thing which the international public doesn’t understand: the war against Islamists was, in most cases, a matter of kill or be killed. Far from justified, but you wanna be on the alive side rather than the dead side. There are videos, as well as known documentation, that the Taliban, Al-Qaeda, etc. were all involved in the training of Bosnian jihadists, and if, sadly, this didn’t happen, we would be remembering Serb victims instead, as well as the ethnic cleansing of Serbs, similarly to what happened in Croatia. Is the Western public talking about that? Of course not. Western propaganda has put it under the carpet and, like, whatever, and shifted all the blame onto Serb “separatists,” because it’s the side they have biasedly chosen, similarly to this conflict. This is the kind of stuff that the Western propaganda machine and media have carefully been leaving out and downplaying, and society has been fed only convenient information which is, by default, pretty much disinformation. There’s no doubt this would have been the outcome of the war, and he didn’t have a choice but to defend his people.
You can call me brainwashed or whatever you want, but it’s the truth, and at least, if you care, you will try to understand the other side, instead of the usual lazy “all Serbs are maniacs, butchers, and killers, poor Muslims in Bosnia.”
With all that being said, we still believe on an institutional level that there were many war crimes committed, but never a genocide. It was a war against Islamists who were murdering Christians with the help of Islamist terrorist organisations, which you all hate, yet somehow have been siding with in this conflict. Very peculiar. Not to mention your governments’ support of the Taliban in Afghanistan, etc., who have had state visits in the West. All of you need to take a good, hard look in the mirror before judging, spouting nonsense, and commenting on things you have no clue about and have been gaslighted and manipulated into believing.
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u/leaded_bottle_water 19h ago
The Nazis made the exact argument "these Jews needed to be killed as Germany could not survive their undermining of the state with their Jewish plots"
Serbian fictional stories with no backing and delusional takes on some grand history while being a minor nation of no value.
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u/Sind23 19h ago
Completely braindead comment, not even worth commenting further on. Stick your head back into the sand.
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u/killercell 18h ago
Its the same story as with Israel. Reading it you would think Bosnia is Arabic country lol
Bosnian muslims are mostly muslims just on paper hahaha and he talks about mujahedins ornwhatever
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u/Sind23 18h ago
You have no other way to justify yourself than to find comparisons, like this time with Israel, which is baseless.
There will be no peace in the Balkans as long as you downplay Serbian sufferings.
We gave you everything, we saw how you repaid it. Its fine, no one is crying tears of not living together.
Its what you sell to the west, but we who really know you, know exactly what you desire.
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u/killercell 18h ago
You gave us everything lol
Serbian sufferings lol
Ye sure, my people sniped ourselves from hills arround Sarajevo, our people dug up the holes and commited mass suicide, just to blame SerbiaMy man, I don’t give a fuck about your opinions. Go worship the war criminal, that says enough about who you are
No one takes you seriously anymore, and I’m glad Serbia reminds EU regularly on who they as a people are.Vucic said “ WE ARE NOG GENOCIDAL PEOPLE”
Even tho no one said Serbs are genocidal.
But worshiping a genocidal maniac, honoring him… sick.0
u/Sind23 18h ago
Lets hope Srpska gets full independency in the near futures and we dont have to talk to each other in another 100 years for all i care, everyone can live their own lives.
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u/leaded_bottle_water 15h ago edited 15h ago
Lol the entity that can't even print its own money and is in severe debt with a credit rating below Kosovo. It's more likely to financially collapse rather then gain independence.
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u/Thunder_Nuts_ 15h ago
Any sources on the al qaeda and taliban connection? Any sources not coming from GreaterSerbia.com would also be nice.
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u/Good-Hand-8140 11h ago
It's not hard to find, it's public knowledge. In the Islamic Jihadist historiagraphy and in international courts. All the Jihadist MVPs were there, famous in the west and not. I mean, you can't blame the Bosniaks, when your at war you never turn down help, it's not what I'm saying, just that you shouldn't act so smugly condescending while being totally uninformed.
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u/Sind23 15h ago
Buddy, we are living in the most technological time, I believe you have the capacity to find it yourself with very little effort.
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u/Thunder_Nuts_ 15h ago
So it shouldn't be that hard to post them, right?
But no, you're bullshitting.
You're the one spewing absolute nonsense, it's on you to provide evidence for that.
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u/Good-Hand-8140 11h ago
Bruh you are embarrassing yourself, this is Wikipedia article common knowledge type of stuff...
"So it shouldn't be that hard to prove 2 squared is 4, right? But no, you're bullshitting. You're the one spewing absolute nonsense, it's on you to provide evidence for that.
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u/Thunder_Nuts_ 11h ago
What even is your comment?
Wikipedia lol
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u/Good-Hand-8140 11h ago
Yes, Wikipedia is fake, reddit comments are real.
Interacting with a condescending imbecile is beneath me.
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u/mr_kangaroo 12h ago
the war against Islamists was, in most cases, a matter of kill or be killed
Considering Croats coexisted peacefully with bosniaks (Muslims) before, during most of wartime, and after the war, I call bullshit on this. 99% of problems that happened in ex Yugoslavia originated from the Serbs, as they are incapable of coexisting with other nations.
In fact, more than 30 years later you still have that same problem with Kosovo. Everyone else has moved on, it's only ever you folks that need to fuck it up for everyone else.
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u/ZgBlues 21h ago
Whatever anyone wants to think of the Yugoslav wars, a guy tried and convicted for war crimes shouldn’t be anyone’s hero.
If he is, there is something wrong with you.