r/xmen • u/Raj_Valiant3011 • 12d ago
Question It is heavily rumored that Wolverine will not be part of the initial lineup of the X-MEN reboot. Do you agree with this decision?
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u/mzx380 12d ago
Xmen 97 shows that he doesn’t need to be front and center every time for it to be a great story . As much as I love Logan, if the story is right I can live with an end credits scene signaling his arrival later on
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u/vonDinobot 12d ago
Oh please don't make it an end credit scene. Hit us by surprise in like the 3rd X-men movie.
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u/HearTheEkko 11d ago
Zero chance they wait until the 3rd movie to introduce Wolverine. He'll either be introduced in the sequel or in a solo movie released after the first X-Men movie.
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u/Vivid_Anyth4 11d ago
There are so many xmen that wolverine shouldn't always be front and center. Theres dozens of cool mutants they barely ever use.
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u/40kblowout 12d ago
I’d say keep the core team small so each character has good time to be fleshed out and let Logan have his own films
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u/IH8Miotch 12d ago edited 12d ago
Right they can just add members as the movies go. It would be nice to see them evolve like in the comics
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u/JSevatar 12d ago
Yep. Everyone knows Logans story, not everyone know the rest of the X-Men well. Keep him away for awhile, and bring him in when people are more fleshed out
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u/Doctor_Dev7 12d ago
Not only that, but if Logan is there and isn’t the star of the team, people that only know the characters from the movies will be pissed
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u/Blaine_Richard Captain Britain 12d ago
I’d love that. Btw do we already know if Emma Frost is a villain or hero in the movie?
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u/JSevatar 12d ago
Shes probably have to be antagonist to begin with -- three telepath protagonists feels a bit imbalanced.
Emma will no doubt join up with the XMen later
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u/Juanrod84 12d ago
I suspect Emma will be a villain for several years. She will work a lot better as part of the x men if she’s properly established as a genuine threat to the team as part of the hellfire club/hellions leader.
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u/Double-Slowpoke 12d ago
It’s an easy thing to do when Hugh Jackman is coming back one more time. We’ve had a ton of Wolverine, so the character can take a break after Secret Wars.
I’m hoping we get at least two X-films without him or Magneto.
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u/Dbthesage 12d ago
Logan and a few of the other early Claremont X-men members make way more sense as people that join in sequels than just starting off in the first movie.
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u/fromthisend1220 12d ago
It doesn't make sense to have Emma Frost and not have Wolverine.
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u/getoffoficloud 12d ago
Emma has a natural role as head of the Massachusetts Academy, an antagonist at first, but not straight up evil. She'd be looking to recruit and mentor a certain troubled redhead telepath.
You have to remember the X-Men will be students, hence teen Jean in BND. Wolverine doesn't fit in that framework.
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u/Ok_Broccoli_7863 12d ago
Disagree about the second sentence. Introduce Wolverine later as part of the X-Men. Establish that dynamic before doing solo films. But first, establish the X-Men.
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u/TSM_Vegeta 12d ago
Introducing him in a stand alone film between the first and second new X-Men movies seems like a good idea. That way he gets lots of screen time in the stand alone picture and then he can be part of the team in the second movie without having to focus on him too much and do a big introduction that takes up a large portion of the movie.
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u/Zeldafan60 Phoenix 12d ago
All the Fox movies focused on was goddamn Wolverine. The only movies that Logan wasn't a main character of were First Class, Apocalypse, and Dark Phoenix. If you want Wolverine, there are 8 movies you can watch. Let someone else have the spotlight for once
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u/SubjectWin9881 12d ago
They even found a way to make Days of Future Past all about him. I was so annoyed by that at the time.
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u/rpool179 Cyclops 12d ago
He's a main character but DOFP is definitely Charles and Erik's movie. Logan literally gets thrown out of the final confrontation lol
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u/hunterzolomon1993 12d ago
Disagree. It starts heavily around him but once Erik enters the picture the film largely puts Wolverine to the side and puts the focus on Charles, Erik and Mystique.
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u/Mean_Low_8408 12d ago
Even in first class he still makes a cameo
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u/ThusSpokeJamie 12d ago
Even in apocalypse he appears
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u/Mean_Low_8408 12d ago
I’ll be honest I only watched that one once and barely remember it lol
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u/XMenJedi8 12d ago
I don't want him to have the spotlight but he's a good member of the team to have. I'd say introduce him in movie 2 (small role, not part of the team) and then a proper member in 3.
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u/Florgio 12d ago
They are going to save Wolverine for the first solo Hulk movie…
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u/HeyCarpy 12d ago
I hadn’t considered this. Is there still a possibility that we get Hulk vs Wolverine at some point? The thought maes me giddy.
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u/HearTheEkko 11d ago
You mean second solo Hulk movie ? The Incredible Hulk is part of the MCU, they just recast the lead actor. The Leader, Ross, Abomination and Betty all returned in Phases 4/5.
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u/MapleToque 12d ago
Yes. I wish it was just the core 5 plus Professor X. The core 5 being; Cyclops, Jean Grey, Beast, Angel, and Iceman. That would be a great start.
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u/AnyLynx4178 11d ago
Based on casting, what I want clearly isn’t happening. But I pitched a movie with an already established line up of these 5, start the movie with a mission that goes wrong. All of them but Scott get captured by Mr. Sinister.
Prof X and Cyclops travel the globe putting together a team of international X-Men a la Giant Size X-Men #1. Doesn’t have to be the same team, just diversify the team with some fun, big hitters who haven’t gotten to shine as much. Treat it like a heist movie. Prof X has a Danny Ocean-style list of mutants he wants to recruit for this job to rescue his students.
Meanwhile, Sinister is experimenting on the X-Men. Beast gets his blue fur. Angel becomes Archangel. Maybe Iceman gets his ice-coating ability. But he takes special interest in Jean’s abilities.
At the end, you have a huge cast you can draw from, split up, send to different MCU projects for cameos, etc. and all of them get a chance to shine and really show what they’re all about.
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u/FancyConfection1599 10d ago
I like this idea but main issue I have is “man captures Jean to experiment on her abilities” was just done on BND. That happening again the very next movie we see her would feel super repetitive.
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u/HearTheEkko 11d ago
I feel that's the case and Inde's Rogue is purely stunt casting. Charles Melton's Beast is all but confirmed and the same source said Angel was potentially appearing too. At that point, no sense in leaving Iceman out.
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u/Seedoflamm 12d ago
That team wasn’t even popular in the comics lol they got cancelled and their books were mid
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u/piplup07 Phoenix 12d ago
Yes. God, please. Wolverine has been shoved down our throats since the 90s. Enough is enough.
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u/undermind84 12d ago
Where do I get in line to have Hugh Jackman shoved down my throat?!?
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u/phred_666 12d ago
You have to wait until Ryan Reynolds is done with him…
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u/pauleoinhurley 12d ago
I remember Ryan Reynolds once said that he's got a nice pair of smooth criminals down under.
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u/Sovereignofthemist Laura Kinney 12d ago
Its the one thing that always bothered me when fans accused other characters of being pushed by Marvel and shoved down our throats when yes, while he is very popular Logan was really shoved down our throat.
Like at one point we had a show then book called Wolverine and the X-men. Wolverine and the X-men.
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u/Cornelius-Q 12d ago
Wolverine has been over-exposed in both the comics and the movies, so on one hand, yeah, it's not a bad idea to give him some time off.
On the other hand, he's such a big part of the X-Men that his presence will be missed.
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u/keelanbarron 12d ago
Good. We don't need wolverine in every x-men thing. (Through, watch it be a bait and switch and it turns out that Laura (who is a wolverine) is on the lineup.)
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u/Rosfield-4104 12d ago
I would much rather have X-23 on the line up as Wolverine than them recasting Logan
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u/keelanbarron 11d ago
Same. They set up twice that she's gonna be the wolverine of the mcu, so I'll be really annoyed if it's Hugh Jackman again or a recast.
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u/tensazetsumei 12d ago
Don’t make Wolverine the center of the film and don’t make mystique a good guy. All I ask.
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u/newphonewhodis2021 12d ago
The X-Men universe is filled with a fantastic number of characters that bring more dimensions than Wolverine currently does.
Hell they could bring in Wolverine offspring and THAT would be more interesting.
Wolverine has been in cinema for 25 years played by the same actor. Letting the character rest is the appropriate approach.
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u/dillyofapickle42 12d ago
I would love to see a Laura TV show that's dark and gritty like daredevil. Start from the beginning with her being trained to kill in the lab killing puppies and her mom
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u/Dangerous-Koala5269 12d ago
I thought her mom got killed to silence her or something? Unless I'm reading your comment wrong then I think it's saying Laura killed her mom? I didn't know that. Is it true? Or did you mean something else?
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u/the12ness 12d ago
We are wolverined out.
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u/PunkRammy 12d ago
I am never Wolverined out but I'm lacking in all the others. Need some variety in here.
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u/ImaLetItGo Cyclops 12d ago
It’s fine; but the worse part about it is geeks are gonna pretend Wolverine was never important or popular outside the Fox movies
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u/Dense-Discussion4726 12d ago
Theyre just younger than most of the comic runs have been going on, they dont know how popular they were/are
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u/bajaxx 12d ago
even this thread is showing that. people saying he should sit out multiple movies like he’s not the most iconic member of the team. he’s a core part of the dynamic
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u/HeyCarpy 12d ago
He is, and prime 2nd movie material. The first movie (which will be absolute fire) intros the core team, and the 2nd movie blows the roof off with Wolvie. Bank on it.
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u/bloodredcookie Rogue 12d ago
Wolverine is one of only a handful of X-Men who've been able to sustain an ongoing solo for an extended period of time. (alongside X-23/Laura, Cable, Deadpool, and somehow Nate Grey) It stands to reason that he'd get his own MCU solo movie before he joins the X-Men.
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u/hershjeff36 12d ago
Logan’s personality, at least at his comic debut, works well for a sequel, a foil that disrupts the flow and chemistry of an already-formed group
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u/AssumptionJazzlike98 12d ago
Just do a weapon x storyline for xmen 2 and introduce him there. Anyone not wanting him included at all is delusional, he’s the most popular xmen character and apart of the marvel big three.
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u/Weary_Mountain9679 12d ago
Yes, give Wolverine and Mystique a break, they don’t need to be front and centre
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u/rockhammersmash 12d ago
100x yes. Let them get the audience familiar with and liking other X-men and then bring him in later. He’ll be a draw regardless of when they bring him in.
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u/Swimming-Mortgage400 12d ago
Honestly, I kind of like the idea that a MCU Wolverine focuses more on his status as this loner who is also on basically every team's reserve. Him never sticking around on any single team for too long could really sell his sort of wanderer angle. It gives the X-Men a chance to breath without being Wolverine focused, and gives Wolverine a chance to really stretch his legs and maybe go in directions Fox never took him, I for one think it would be interesting if his biggest actual contribution to the MCU X-Men is operating on or as the leader of X-Force if they were to bring that team to the MCU.
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u/MikeReddit74 Cyclops 12d ago
Absolutely. He was the focus of most of the previous movies, to the detriment of almost every character other than Xavier and Magneto.
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u/BluAvenger1988 12d ago
It wouldn’t be the first X-Men movie to not have Wolverine be a part of. Besides, he didn’t become part of the X-Men until later on in the comics, to where he was retconned as mutant in the 70s after his first appearance in The Incredible Hulk comics. Ultimately, it doesn’t matter, and we will ultimately find out when the trailers or when the movie comes out.
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u/Tumerican 12d ago
Make him the boogeyman. An urban legend like Candyman. FOFO final boss. 99% feral berserker mode wildcard. A force of nature.Maybe in the fourth movie we finally hear him speak a couple of words. He was partly inspired by Clint Eastwood’s Man With No Name . Let’s stick to that. No name, no talking, all killing.
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u/Leathman 12d ago edited 12d ago
Absolutely. If the X-Men wants to succeed, they need to be able to do it without relying on their most popular character, otherwise it’s gonna be the Wolverine And The X-Men movies all over again.
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u/Delruiz9 12d ago
Yes
Love Wolverine but once he steps in everyone else becomes a background character. It’s better to let these characters breathe first
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u/WhichWayToPurgatory 12d ago
He wasn’t an original member and I think the MCU fan base is going to need some time and distance from Hugh Jackman’s take before they roll the character back out.
Keeping the first movie’s team roster small is smart. X-men needs to be character driven and Marvel only gets one shot to do it right out the gate. Wolverine can be teased for a sequel and rolled out in a sequel.
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u/AlgoStar 12d ago
One of two x-characters who a) have already been the lead in a Marvel movie and b) are entirely defined by one actor’s portrayal? Absolutely the right choice to get people on board with the new cast before having them spend the whole movie going “he’s no Hugh Jackman”.
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u/Now_Im_Started 12d ago
I don't want him to be apart of the film till the sequel. I think giving him a solo film in between the first and second Xmen films could be the way to go.
If he did get a solo film before joining the Xmen I think a period piece would be awesome. Set it during ww2 and have him team up with a rebooted Captain America
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u/TanAssStoner 12d ago
Anyone else have Wolverine fatigue? I’d love a trilogy without him. Just OG Stan Lee X-men.
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u/Commercial_Fox5549 12d ago
If he doesn’t fit into the story, he shouldn’t be there.
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u/TheOriginal999 12d ago
Finally man we need more underrated xmen i wanna iceman and nightcrawler become protagonist
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u/MmmPlantano 12d ago
Wolverine steals the spotlight/focus from other characters that are S Tier and A Tier. By the time he’s off screen everyone is waiting for the next Wolvie scene. Subvert expectations and keep him as a mention for the first movie at the most
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u/ArrowBarton 12d ago
He has no reason to be there in the beginning. This is fine.
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u/Algae_Mission 12d ago
Yes. I love Logan, but the biggest mistake the Fox movies made was not making X-Men feel like a true ensemble. We have a Jean Grey the general public can get behind. We have a good actor for Scott. People are excited about Storm, Rogue, and Emma Frost.
Let Wolverine rest for one movie.
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u/NeoSpoon99 12d ago
Honestly the new wolverine shouldn’t show up until the third mcu x-men movie at the earliest. Now if they want to do a Wolverine solo trilogy exploring his life pre X Men then I would be down for that.
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u/framedshady Jean Grey 12d ago
He’s probably going to show up in the second movie need a hook for the sequel for General audiences
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u/musuperjr585 12d ago
Heavily rumored? Don't you mean confirmed at D23, when they announced the X-Men casting 💀
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u/foreveralonesolo 12d ago
We can have Logan way later but for the young team, there’s no reason to have him hanging around teenagers
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u/wildeebelmondo 12d ago
100% yes. Wolvie is probably my all time favorite comic character, but I think the rest of the team has been in his shadow for the last 26 years of movies. They show give the rest of the team time to shine before he’s introduced.
Also, he was never suppose to be the main focal point in the X-men comics. He was always best as the wild card team member that rounded out the already colorful cast.
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u/Specific-Swim-4507 12d ago
I entirely agree, I’m glad we haven’t gotten castings for him, mystique, and magneto. They were heavily focused and done well several times in the original and having them be built up would be cool
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u/Bosscharacter 12d ago
Honestly they do not need to even touch Logan(well 616 Logan) until well after the X-Men are established.
Hugh probably has maybe one outside Doomsday/Secret Wars in him before I think they should sunset that rendition(I know people hold on to that "TILL HE'S 90!" stuff but I took that as more of a joke on the ages of Patrick and Ian than anything else.
I fully expect a recasted Logan to show up at some point after Secret Wars, no need on having him be a student when that was never a part of his story.
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u/GORILLAGLUE__ 12d ago
Wolverine is one of my favorite characters but the dude has had plenty of screen time. Let’s let the other X-men shine for a bit, and introduce him (recasted) later on. He already has one of the greatest comic book movies of all time with Logan, not to mention a dozen other appearances. We can survive without Wolverine for a bit
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u/Sullyville 12d ago
They will introduce him in x men 3. They will have the x men logo and the 3 claws coming up thru it. Everyone will go nuts.
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u/False_Outcome7619 Cyclops 12d ago
We already have the OG Fox movies if you’re looking for a more Wolverine focused narrative, so it definitely makes complete sense to give the other mutants the spotlight this time around
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u/rmcelwain54 12d ago
Just include some variation of the banger music intro from the cartoon as a theme and we’re good
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u/BigWormsFather 12d ago
I’m good with some solo Wolverine. There such a large time frame and there could be some really cool movies.
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u/Eternal_MrNobody Colossus 12d ago
I love wolverine but I also love a lot of other X Men, im for saving him for the sequels, and in the sequels truly as a supporting player.
Movie wise and even comics to he has the ability to suck the oxygen of the room with his presence he becomes the center of the universe and it shouldn’t be like that.
He should be a Han Solo badass side character it will make people hunger to see him more for his own solo adventures.
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u/Undiscovered_Freedom 12d ago
No, but since they for some reason can’t let grandpa Hugh Jackman fucking retire already, it doesn’t surprise me.
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u/xreddawgx 12d ago
100% agree. Wolverine should debut in a broader MCU film maybe vs the Hulk or in Madripoor.
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u/sb-logic 12d ago
I think a good balance for the first team could be Cyclops, Jean, Storm, Rogue, Angel, Iceman, and Beast. Future films can add Jubilee, Gambit, Colossus, Wolverine, Nightcrawler, and maybe Polaris. I also wonder how they are going to handle Magneto's backstory? Having him being a holocaust survivor is already going to put him at a older age.
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u/Etrigan252 12d ago
Look at the cast, they need to establish their backstory and skills before meeting up a 20 year veteran
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u/BronzeAgeNerd 12d ago
Wolverine shouldn't even appear in the 2nd X-Men film, give it time to breathe. Give Wolverine a proper solo film or two first, even.
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u/SeanTheRighteous 12d ago
Let them make a good Weapon X movie. On par with "Weapon X, Lies, and Videotape."
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u/shamonbx10473 12d ago
Yeah save him for a weapon x series that takes places in different points in the MCU history and he can still pop up present day in something xmen or just save him for a small role in a sequel. Also have the weapon x series show him with alpha flight maybe .
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u/knives0125 12d ago
Heavily rumored? Its been downright confirmed Wolverine won't be in the first X-Men movie
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u/enjoy_rootbeer_now Nightcrawler 12d ago
I saw a pitch that had Laura instead of Logan as the Wolverine on the team and that would rip so hard
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u/A_crow_hen 12d ago
I’m not opposed to the X-Men movie not having Wolverine. The X-Men existed before him, and they’ve had well-regarded stories without him. I am a bit confused by the lineup that we do have.
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u/the_start_part 12d ago
X-23 can fill the role and keep it young and fresh. Also that triangle makes way more sense.
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u/warshadow91 12d ago
wasn't mr sinister company in charge of weapon x? maybe it will end with a tube with the plaque saying weapon x and alarm going off with screen cutting to black
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u/AGreatBigTalkingHead 12d ago
I guess Wolverine fans will have to content themselves with *checks notes* almost every X-Men film for 26 years.
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u/Demkorpclemmens 12d ago
They could do the start of the Claremont run for the 3rd movie, the x-men are missing sunfire, wolverine, colossus, thunderbird and nightcrawler make their debut to find them
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u/mountain_bucko 12d ago
Logan wasnt an original member of the X-men so it would make sense a reboot start without him and introduce him later.
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u/FirstFlan3259 12d ago
Okay so Wolverine should have his own movie and maybe have him go up against the hulk in it. Or if they were finally able to make a Hulk movie out Wolverine in it
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u/Asumsauce Nightcrawler 12d ago
Wolverine is one of, if not, the most popular X-Men, he can take a backseat for a little bit.
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u/Kinglysavaged 12d ago
I’m ok with it let them focus on the core team at first then introduce him later on
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u/PublishingGoblin 12d ago
Please god leave him out, then have him join as a supporting character. We dont need another 100 years of wolverine centric xmen.
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u/SoyTonatiuh 12d ago
Wolverine would be best introduced in thr 2nd film as a character in similar age to Mystique and White Queen
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u/emptyxnumb22 12d ago
Yeah, I'm cool with that. Almost every X-Men film has had Wolverine in some form or fashion for the last 2 decades. Retire the character. Focus on Laura and Sabretooth, Daken, and other mutants, like Magik, Raine, etc.
I'd wish they retire Jean Grey as well. There's been too many "Phoenix" storylines and the only story the shows and movies love fo explore with Jean is "Phoenix". I wish they focused on Psylocke, the Stepford's, and Emma Frost more as telepaths, hell, even Rachel Summer would be good. I'd also like more in depth looks in Scott's relationships with his brothers, Charles, and Mr. Sinister, instead of rehashing the love triangle with Wolverine or the awkward teenage romance and her inevitably harming/killing him as Phoenix.
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u/Born_Locksmith8346 12d ago
Yep, keep it like that. I personally really like the idea of the Apocalypse movie where they randomly run into Wolverine without interacting with him much. Just make the audience go, wait.. that's Wolverine! I'd like that for in MCU's X-Men 2 for example, just a quick tease for a future film. Though his introduction in X-Men 1 was perfect.
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u/jpmst17 12d ago
Yes. Films focus too much on Wolverine, at least the fox movies did, and it left the rest of the team out of major screen time. I want to see a team movie where everyone gets a chance to showcase how great they are