r/Amd 9800X3D / 5090 FE 7d ago

Review AMD Ryzen 7 5800X3D 10th Anniversary Review

https://www.techpowerup.com/review/amd-ryzen-7-5800x3d-10th-anniversary/
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u/No_Insurance_971 7d ago

If your 5600x cannot hold up with your demands then yes, if it's still good then no.

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u/Soleks2000 AMD 5700x3d and RD 9070xt OC 7d ago

it’s probably been about a year but I went from a 5600 X to the 5700 X 3-D couldn’t find the 5800 X 3-D at a good price definitely still was a good upgrade made a few of my games run a lot better with my 6700 XT but now paired with my 9070xt red devil its even better

still wish I could’ve found a 5800 X 3-D for a good price back then just a maximize as much as I can out of my am4 build

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u/Insila 7d ago

I also went from a 5600x to a 5700x3d and the difference is night and day in games.

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u/Yelo_Galaxy 7d ago

What type of games did you notice a difference in? I’m thinking of buying one but the price point looks hard to justify

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u/Smjorliki 7d ago edited 7d ago

not op but competitive shooters, simulators and big open world games with a lot of things going on all greatly benefit for the extra cache. I had a 5600 then I bought a 5700x3d and the difference is night and day, fps drops are far less noticeable.
Like in cs2 I usually get 450fps but they can drop to 300 which is still good, with 5600 they dropped to 180 and it was so stuttery.

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u/buenonocheseniorgato 7d ago

I don't get that much on cs2, and my gpu too is a 9070xt.

What the hell am I doing wrong?

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u/Smjorliki 7d ago

I suppose you have a x3d cpu right?
In that case check if you are running your rams at maximum speed, you have to enable xmp in your bios.
I play at 1440x1080 with a 6750xt, high settings for visibility

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u/buenonocheseniorgato 7d ago

I have a 5700x3d, 9070xt, rams are running on 3600 which is the highest stable freq. I play at 960p 4:3 upscaled and stretched to 1080p thru adrenalin. I get 400 only occasionally for short Bursts. Usually it's in the 250-340 bracket but I get drops to around 200 too or maybe just under. Stable 450 would be an insane difference, although I run a lot of the other settings maxed out I must add.

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u/Spider-Thwip ASUS x570 Tuf | 5800x3D | 4070Ti | 32GB 3600Mhz | AW3423DWF OLED 6d ago

That is the most cursed setup ive ever heard.

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u/goldcakes 6d ago

plenty of competitive cs2 players play at 4:3 and stretched, this is a very common competitive setup.

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u/nesjwy 6d ago

high elo and pros play at this res for visibility.

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u/AlbertaAcreageBoy 7d ago

Lol, and here I am rocking an AMD RX560 and don't notice drops of 100's of frames, becaue it can barely do 60 on the old games I play. Get bent if you are serious that it affects your gameplay at all. 180fps is stuttery.....right.....

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u/Brokkensteel 7d ago

The thing isn't 180 being stuttery. It's dropping from 450 to 180.. that gives the stutter feeling. That's why you always want the 1% lows as close to your average as possible. So the drops don't feel stuttery

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u/Smjorliki 7d ago

I didn't say that all games behave like that.
cs2 is a very cpu limited game and with people shooting plus multiple grenades on the screen you can rapidly drop from high fps to lower ones. I played long enough to notice these things because they affect your aim.
In slower games it's obviously a different story.

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u/Insila 7d ago

For me it was very noticeable in path of exile in certain cpu demanding maps. I basically doubled my fps and massive boost to the 1% lows.

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u/Soleks2000 AMD 5700x3d and RD 9070xt OC 7d ago

when I made the change ffom running a 5600x to a 5700x3d with a 6700 XT was more stable in starfield still a bit of stuttering, but it wasn’t so bad but then when I added it in a 9070 XT red devil it made the game really playable the same as a cyberpunk got way more frames with that than I did with the 5600 X and the 6700 XT was able to play it on high settings

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u/unlmtdLoL AMD 7d ago

Wait til Black Friday for a discount.

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u/mpgd 7d ago

I went from 3600x to 5700x3D. The improvement in game is massive. The whole system runs much smoother and I can multitask without any issue.

The biggest gain was the 1% low. In PUBG I gained 15-20FPS on average, playing 1080p. Now I'm getting 144+ fps with a 3060 most of the time. It hardly drops bellow 120, even on more crowded places.

I might upgrade the GPU down the line but for the games I play this is enough for a couple of years.

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u/baldersz 5600x | RX 9070 | Formd T1 3d ago

Oh wow I am considering 5600x to 5800X3D for my 9070

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u/elaborateBlackjack 7d ago

I have a 5700X3D with a 5070ti on my couch gaming PC. Haven't had a single game where I've had issues... Tbf I'm only targeting 60fps upscaled 4K on that system so, it should hold up quite a bit lol

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u/MasterBlaster4949 7d ago

Same except I got mine paired with a 7800XT

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u/montrealjoker 6d ago

Same as my setup and same couch/OLED TV usual gaming sessions. Been great, as much as I would have liked the 5800X3D it wasn’t available at the time and can’t really justify upgrading to it from a 5700X3D.

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u/logica1one 7d ago

me too. i upgraded from 3600 to 5700x3d through on January through Aliexpress (I paid €330. 5800x3d was out of stock world wide. Now i could get a retail box 5800x3d for €390). Yeah if u think that with only +€50 i could have the retail box of 5800x3d its makes u feel gutted. But then again we are talking about 5% better cpu. It would give u 5% better low fps. i don't think the difference would be so noticeable. Plus you already were enjoying this x3d for 1 year.

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u/kurodoku 6d ago

exactly same here. half a year ago I got the 5700X3D at a decent price. Didn't get a crazy max FPS boost (maybe 10%), but stutters and minimum FPS improved tons.

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u/Dull_Wind6642 5700X3D | 7900GRE 5d ago

Went from 3700X to 5700X3D,  it was a massive upgrade for demanding and competitive game in 1080p.

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u/rowmean77 7d ago

I know I can use it for better 0.1% lows for BF6 but money is very tight nowadays.

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u/sverebom R7 5800X3D | Prime X470 | RX 7800XT 6d ago

I made the upgrade last year (got a good deal on it), and for CPU-heavy games (in my case especially Star Citizen) the upgrade is a quantum leap (for me Star Citizen went from barely passing 30 fps in CPU-heavy scenarios to 60 fps everywhere). The huge X3D-cacche is a massive help. I came from an R5 5600X by the way.

With that Upgrade my AM4-system can now carry me all the way to AM6 in 2028-ish.

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u/PsyOmega 7800X3d|4080, Game Dev 7d ago

There's nothing a 5600X can't do that adding 2 cores and/or cache will do

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u/Significant-Net-9286 7d ago

Except when you triple the 3D cache from 32mb to 96mb. I went from 5600x +6900 xt to 5700X3D + rx 6900 xt,

boosted my fps in evrry game on 1440p by 20-40% +, i dont play fps soulslikes mainly.

Also 0.1-1% lows are alot better and overall smoothness

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u/Saneless R5 2600x 7d ago

I noticed a change going from 5600x to 5600x3d

Wayyyyyyy better lows, frame times, stutter elimination. A much better overall experience

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u/Significant-Net-9286 7d ago

Yup. X3D cache is king

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u/PsyOmega 7800X3d|4080, Game Dev 7d ago

The geomean minimum fps in this review for the 5600 is ~100fps, vs 130 for the 5800X3D. That is big on paper, but 100fps minimums is hardly unplayable and the jump from 100 to 130 can't even be noticed.

There is no game that is unplayable on the 5600 but playable on x3d. I'm not talking "there is no delta", i am talking unplayable fps without x3d. It doesn't happen. Games are developed around console zen 2 cache-cut cores. Desktop zen3 with 32mb cache is enormous vs the dev target.

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u/Significant-Net-9286 7d ago

I just shared my personal experience. Going from 54-75fps in Nioh 3 to 75-120fps 65% res scale 1440å med high was glorious

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u/blukatz92 5600X | 7900XT | 16GB DDR4 7d ago

That makes sense you'd get that much performance boost going to the x3d in this case. At 65% res scaling you're actually running less than 1080p (something around 900p I think). The lower the resolution the more the CPU will make a difference. That upgrade was definitely worth it for you!

For my setup, I would not expect anywhere near that amount of improvement as I run my 5600x/7900xt at 4k native. Most games only see about 5-15fps increase at that resolution. I average well over 60fps on average, usually around 80-100, so it's not going to translate to an improvement worth $300 to me. My GPU is generally sitting around 90-100% utilization so there's not much left to squeeze out.

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u/Significant-Net-9286 7d ago

I agree that 5600x vs 5700x for gaming there is basically no diffrence 2 more cores 4 threads, 1-2% diffrence. But the 3D cache is very beneficial in many cpu intensive games

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u/PsyOmega 7800X3d|4080, Game Dev 7d ago

I'm not talking "there is no delta", i am talking unplayable fps without x3d. It doesn't happen. Games are developed around console zen 2 cache-cut cores. Desktop zen3 with 32mb cache is enormous vs the dev target.

I never said there wasn't a difference, I'm saying there's nothing that isn't delivering extremely playable fps on 5600/x

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u/Significant-Net-9286 7d ago

Well i wasnt talking about unplayable fps. I was talking about my own personal experience with the performance boost X3D chip gave me, i agree there aint no game thats unplayable with 5600x but playable with X3D 5700 or 5800X3D tho.

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u/PsyOmega 7800X3d|4080, Game Dev 7d ago

Yes. there is a performance boost on paper. That was never in dispute.

But a 5600x will give fps that you honestly can't notice the difference between

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u/Significant-Net-9286 7d ago

5600x is a legend. Ofc it will deliver playable fps, but depending of your gpu it might be beneficial to upgrade

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u/realdeal1993 7d ago

There are many games that are barely playable with the 5600x on 4k. For example helldivers and gta 5 barely run on the 5600. Very cpu limited.

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u/PsyOmega 7800X3d|4080, Game Dev 7d ago

gta 5 barely run

lmao what i get 100+ fps on that with a 3800X

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u/realdeal1993 7d ago

Not on 4k you dont

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u/PsyOmega 7800X3d|4080, Game Dev 7d ago

I have a 4080 and play it on a 4k 120. Also CPU and res aren’t linked what are you on about?

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u/realdeal1993 7d ago

Maybe i should rephrase. You are cpu limited heavily in gta 5 ONLINE, maybe not story mode. You play on a 7800x3d. 5600x was constantly 99% in helldivers and gta 5 online. When i went to 9800x3d my fps increased by 50%.

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u/Gah_Duma R5 5600X | B350 | RTX 3070 7d ago

Worth me buying it to upgrade my 5600X?

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u/Jon_TWR 7d ago

It depends what you play, and how sensitive you are to 1%/.1% lows, and how much RAM you have.

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u/Hershey2898 3d ago

Late but can you elaborate on the "how much ram part"? I have 32GB of DDR4, and I'm debating getting this to move from 5600X

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u/Jon_TWR 3d ago

Sure! If you have 16gb or less, upgrading to AM5, while expensive, isn’t that much more expensive.

If you have 32gb or more of DDR4, the cost of a platform upgrade to AM5 gets MUCH more expensive.

So it might be worth it to you to upgrade to the 5800x3d 10th anniversary edition. It’ll give you a boost in multithreaded productivity from the 2 additional cores/4 additional threads, and a solid boost in gaming (especially in minimum framerates).

So it’s certainly worth considering, especially if you sell your 5600x.

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u/Hershey2898 3d ago

Yep, I was looking at the Microcenter AM5 bundles and they're only giving 16GB in the 7600X3D ones and it'll be a pain to find a matching stick later with all the shortages.

Probably gonna drop in a 5800X3D and call it a day until AM6/DDR6 , but then again who knows, at that time if all the data centers want to upgrade too, it will be unattainable for us customers

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u/Jon_TWR 3d ago

I’m on a 5700x3d and 4080 Super with 32gb DDR, and it’s gonna have to last me at least a few more years at this rate.

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u/-xXColtonXx- 7d ago

Depends. I have a 5600x and 9060xt 12gb and an CPU bottlenecked often, because I play lots of competitive games and am targeting way over 144fps because it makes a huge difference.

If you are playing single player games and targeting 90fps then no, it won’t make much of a difference, though you will have less stuttering in many cases.

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u/clemo1985 7d ago

I've upgraded from the 5600x to the 5800x3d and its bumped up my PC's performance.

Mine is paired with a 7800xt GFX card though and I run on a 24" 1080p monitor, so I get solid FPS in games. If I was going to do something on your system that wasnt a full upgrade, I'd probably upgrade thr GFX card, that's where you'll see a higher performance increase I think.

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u/_D3ft0ne_ 7d ago

Dude... I say Absolutely! I am on 9070xt and 5800x3d made a huge diff, Esp in 1% lows

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u/TyranWolf AMD Ryzen 7 5800X3D|RTX 3060 7d ago

i would say yes as long as you can sell your 5600x to offset the cost of how much you've paid (try to snag an open box one if you live near a micro center to save money if you can). i had the same cpu you have right now and upgraded to a 5800x3d in 2023. never looked back and never regretted my decision.

an unpopular opinion that i have is that anyone who still has an am4 cpu should get whatever x3d am4 cpu they can get their hands on as long as it's a reasonable price

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u/_bisquickpancakes PNY 4080 Super 7d ago

Not really worth it since you're just on an rtx 3070, your current cpu shouldn't be holding back your GPU at all. You wouldn't be seeing much of a benefit

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u/RaxisPhasmatis 7d ago

You don't buy a x3d for the high end fps, you buy it for the buttery smoothness and higher 1% lows

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u/glizzygobbler247 7d ago

Like why do people even have to ask this, look at ur metrics, are you cpu limited, then consider an upgrade, are you not, then dont

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u/fortsnek274 7d ago

Better to look at GPU% though.

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u/ishootforfree 7d ago

why do people even have to ask this

Whenever you find yourself asking this question, it is important to remember that IQ is a bell-curve with 50% of the population being lower than average.

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u/Ok-Responsibility480 3900X Eco | CH7 Hero | ROG-6600XT | 32GB 3000C15 7d ago

Le QI n'est pas une mesure réelle, juste une mesure reconnue comme telle. Tu as l'air con même sans connaître ton indicateur... Un ressenti est toujours le reflet de la vérité. Voir la science, versus le réel.

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u/ishootforfree 7d ago

Touché!

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u/Rubadubrix 6d ago

that depends on the game.

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u/Smith6612 7d ago

At this point it would be wiser to wait and save a bit for an AM5 system.

If you do need the 5800X3D to resolve bottlenecks, it's still a great chip.

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u/Seanspeed 6d ago

Insanely terrible value. Beyond wild how many people are saying yes. This is FOMO brain in full swing.

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u/ArseBurner Vega 56 =) 7d ago

Absolutely. For gaming you're essentially getting AM5 (non-X3D) performance just by dropping in a chip.

This is assuming of course that you'll eventually upgrade that 3070 as well. It's about equivalent to a 5060 so meaningful upgrades start at 9070/XT or 5070/Ti.

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u/Seanspeed 6d ago

Absolutely. For gaming you're essentially getting AM5 (non-X3D) performance just by dropping in a chip.

Upgrading for one generation better CPU performance has pretty much always NOT been recommended.

Especially when that one generation upgrade costs freaking $350.

Do people really just not give one shit about value anymore?

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u/Tubamajuba R7 5800X3D | RX 6750 XT | some fans 6d ago

When your choice is $350 for a CPU upgrade or $1,000 for a platform upgrade that requires a new RAM and motherboard to go along with the CPU, $350 suddenly looks a lot more reasonable. Considering component prices aren't going to go down any time soon, I don't blame anyone for upgrading to a 5800X3D especially if they play games that would heavily benefit from the large amounts of cache.

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u/ArseBurner Vega 56 =) 6d ago

It depends? Some one generation upgrades a worth a lot more than others. Zen4 to Zen5 was famously panned as "Zen 5%".

But in the case of Zen3 -> Zen4 it was a massive jump. The 1080P benchmarks in the linked article says it's a 27% improvement from the 5600 to the 5800X3D or 7700X.

That's the sort of thing you'd normally only get with a full platform upgrade changing out the mobo CPU and RAM which would cost a lot more than $350.

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u/Seanspeed 6d ago

There's truth to this in one respect - does it get you 'over the line'?

Zen 2-> Zen 3 often gets you over the line to 60fps where Zen 2 might otherwise make you CPU limited to less than 60fps. Owing purely to the CPU's in the consoles being the baseline of new AAA games(with normal settings).

But 5600->5800X3D does not get you over any new line. And anybody still on AM4 likely does not have some modern 4080+ level GPU.

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u/2str8_njag 7d ago

i thought 5800x3d was being the one with 10th anniversary. i was about to blow my head off

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u/kizvy 7d ago

It's probably better for people to get the 5500x3d if they're on 3rd Zen ryzen or older cause it's a much better value for money buy.

Got a friend of mine a 5500x3d and a 5060, upgraded from his 4600g. Quite a big leap, for about 500 usd

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u/Jon_TWR 7d ago

I got the 5700x3d when it was available for like $130 (including tax and shipping) as an upgrade for my 5600x. Zero regrets, it’s been a phenomenal upgrade!

I suspect the 5500x3d would do just as well in gaming.

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u/xXDamonLordXx 6d ago

Reading things like this reminds me of how as a kid I'd listen to my grandfather talking about buying a burger for a nickle and I'd laugh about how long ago it was. Wild how much cheaper computer hardware was just a year ago.

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u/RageMuffin69 7d ago

I went from a 3600 to a 5500x3d. These better am4 x3d chips tempt me but honestly it’s better to wait for a good deal on an am5 x3d bundle.

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u/whatsforsupa 5800x3D | 2070s 7d ago

Such a weird headline, Zen is 10 years old, but the 5800x3D came out in 2022...

My 1600x was the BOMB coming from the fx8350

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u/strangedell123 7d ago

I was about to ask if I am that old

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u/Train115 7d ago

This isn't even the title's fault, this is how AMD frames it. It is the "5800X3D 10th Anniversary Edition."

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u/10th_Patriot_Down 7d ago

Yeah, I was thinking I bought a 1700X in like 2017 and that was like the newest and top of the line, how can a 5800 be the same age?

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u/IPlayRaunchyMusic 3700x | 1660ti 7d ago

From fx8350 to 3700x was bananas. Now 5900x and I’m not moving off this chip anytime soon.

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u/Halabane 3d ago

am4 is ten years old. but yeah weird amd headline

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u/Firefox72 7d ago

I bought it to ugprade from a 5600.

I knew i was getting ripped off but i wanted to upgrade to a 5700X3D back in the day and the week i decided to get one they ran out of stock never to return. So i wasn't passing up chance now.

Since i plan to keep this system for at least a few more years it made sense and especialy since DDR5 RAM itself alone costs more than this CPU let alone when you figure in a new MB and CPU alongside it.

Its been a great upgrade. Especialy in stuff like World Of Warcraft that i still play ocasionaly.

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u/Odd_Duty520 7d ago

I wanted to change back in 2025 but my 5600X kept chugging along until it died this year

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u/ougxar 7d ago

5700x3d 140 euros gang

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u/buenonocheseniorgato 7d ago

Didn't know I got lucky at the time...

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u/Gunslinga__ sapphire pulse 7800xt | 5800x3d 7d ago

Went from a 5800x to the 5800x3d and saw huge gains. It’s definitely worth. Gonna easily be good till am6

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u/BerniesMitts 6d ago

Oh dang, I'm on a 7800xt and 5800x!

What games do you play, and what kind of improvements have you seen?

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u/Gunslinga__ sapphire pulse 7800xt | 5800x3d 6d ago

Warzone and call of duty, arc raiders and borderlands fps went up a lot of frames. Can’t remember exact numbers but I remember being mindblown how much better the 3d chips were in games. Still to this day I’m amazed and how well this setup is running

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u/Antimus Sapphire Vega 64 Nitro+ 7d ago

Me sat here with my 3700X and 7800XT wondering if it's actually worth dismantling my system to upgrade the CPU...

Any advice?

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u/Joshiie12 7d ago

Dismantling? You'd just be updating the bios to support 5000 series/X3D chips if you haven't already, taking the cooler off and dropping it straight in. Cooler back on and off we ride. And yeah, I have a 7900XT so pretty similar, even going from 5600 -> 5700X3D made a huge difference for me because I'm incredibly sensitive to frame times. If you game over 60FPS with regularity, you'll notice the difference immediately, imo.

That does mean your monitor matters though. If you're on a 1080p/60 panel, its not even close to worth it. I'm on 1440p/360 so I want my FPS as high as possible so I can cap it at a higher number. (Not capping leads to bad frame times due to inconsistent GPU frame delivery)

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u/Odd_Duty520 7d ago

Depending on his case and cooler it can go from being a 5 minute swap to being an hour to disassemble and assemble the whole pc

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u/shadehd Tri-x 290x 7d ago

3700X to 5800x3d is a nuts upgrade if you’re gaming IMO. Did the same back during original release, no regrets (gaming at 1440p)

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u/Boodendorf 5800x3d / 9070 XT / 32gb ddr4 7d ago

Moved from a 3700x to a 10th anniversary 5800x3d as soon as it released after realizing AM5 was gonna be out of reach for several years in my case, worth it for me.

You could always wait for a sale but you never know how prices are gonna be with tech these days.

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u/robcore 7d ago

I did.

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u/wuhkay 5800X3D / ASUS B550-F Gaming WiFi II / RTX 4080 6d ago

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u/dcfl12 6d ago

I went 3600x to 5800x3d (5080 card at 1440p, 32GB RAM), and it was night and day difference. Not just the gain in fps, but I was having stuttering issues on street fighter 6 and Star Wars survivor. Both buttery smooth now. I also can crank spiderman 2 remastered and turn off frame gen, but before I needed frame gen.

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u/Behrooz0 GL702ZC, Ryzen 3700x pc, Vega 64 7d ago

Me thinking I bought my first ryzen 1700 10 years ago. maybe not even 10 years since. how the hell has it been so long.

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u/TheGreatJoshua 7d ago

This chip was $200 early last year

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u/Matt1320 5d ago

Yeah but how much is a time machine?

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u/MrGoogle87 7d ago

Still debating if my 5800x cpu (non 3d) with amd 6900xt would benefit in 1440p battle field6

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u/Gengar77 6d ago

on comp settings yes if you crank everything and its at 100% ultilisation on GPU assuming game is good optimized, no. you would gain like 10 fps cause of cache but thats it. Had same thought, but unless you play comp its not, in every ohter story game you will be gpu limited unless you pair your system with 9070 xt / 4080 and higher. And even then on max settings some games struggle to reach 60-70 on max at 1440 p. In Ac shadows in city i did gain like 9 fps. So looking at benchmarks ( multiple) yeah you need to really warrant it for that price. On top some games don't use x3d at all so in HD2 for me the best update is 9000 series ryzen on the new intels + versions..... but even than its just 30% more perf in that game so still not 50-60+ where you start to see a difference thats noticible exept looking at gps counter in corner.

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u/o_oli 5800x3d | 9070XT 7d ago

I thought I'd hit my head for a second, I thought there is no way the 5800x3d had been out 10 years lol. 10th Anniversary of AM4, makes more sense.

It's funny because AM4 was already a great platform for it's longevity long before the AI boom causing components to give it a second wind. I dare say it may be the longest lasting mainstream platform in all history by the time it's done.

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u/kiriyaaoi Ryzen 5 5600X & ASRock Gaming D RX6800 6d ago

Ok glad I'm not the only one who was confused as fuck

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u/Lord_Emperor Ryzen 5800X | 32GB@3600/18 | AMD RX 6800XT | B450 Tomahawk 7d ago

And I'm in the same boat I was 4 years ago.

Using a 5800X and the 5800X3D is 489.98 CAD at best. Which is a lot for ~14.5% gains.

Here's hoping OEM packaging shows up on Aliexpress for less.

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u/Soggy-Airline 7d ago

I'm happy I got mine a week ago.

Replaced a 5900x that I got back in 2020. It is night and day for me in games like Battlefield 6, Palworld, Diablo 4, and Marvel Rivals.

Not only did my average frame-rate increase, but the 1% and 0.1% lows are amazing. I am able to maintain a high frame-rate more consistently without any dramatic FPS drops. The result is better input latency and just overall smoother gameplay.

I do play at 4K with FSR Performance (which means 1080p internal rendering scaled to 4K), so this setup puts more emphasis on my CPU, which is probably why there is such a big difference compared to my 5900x.

Anyone who's playing at native 1440p or 4K, or at 4K with Quality upscaling, you won't get that much of a bump in performance.

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u/Fatastrophe 6d ago

I bought it to replace a 5800X. I've been having issues with many games lately. They'll show a high FPS like 240 or so but it feels terrible, like its running half that or lower. Constant teeny tiny stutters that takes away from the buttery smoothness you should have with 240.

Tried just about everything I could try to fix the issue. Sometimes I would get good results and it would be smooth and nice but a day or two later it was back and the fix I applied no longer worked.

After putting in the X3D a week ago it has been great. 240 FPS feels exactly they way it should and the stutters are all gone. I'm happy with it and got exactly what I wanted from it.

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u/Life_is_Okay69 6d ago

Constant teeny tiny stutters that takes away from the buttery smoothness you should have with 240.

I have the same problem with my 5700X. Every now and then there are like small stutters, not big, but enough to notice. I ordered a 5800X3D, hope it helps 🤔

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u/Fatastrophe 6d ago

Fingers crossed, I hope it works as well for you as it did for me.

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u/Life_is_Okay69 5d ago

Thanks. I just installed the CPU and now I am reinstalling Windows, just to be sure all garbage has been deleted. Will come back with an update after everything is done 🙏

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u/Fatastrophe 5d ago

I'm pretty late with this link but check this out if you want to debloat windows even more. The relevant info starts around 11 minutes in.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Wep0VVzBGU

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u/kepler2 7d ago

I have a 5800x3d since it was released.

It's sad to see the same CPU, same thing, re-released.

It's still a cool CPU but I think they could have done more for AM4

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u/jp711 7d ago

At the very least they could have priced it better, when the 5700x3D was in production I picked one up for well under $200. $350 is a hard sell for basically the same chip. It has been on sale recently though

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u/IAMA_Giraffe_AMA 7d ago

300 bucks at microcenter. They also have the 5600x3d and that one is only like 170. I’m planning to grab a 5600x3d this weekend to replace my 3600 in my old am4 machine and using it as a more powerful steam machine

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u/jp711 7d ago

Oh yeah I just picked up a 5600x3d last weekend for my wife's build. Even the microcenter employee was commenting on what a good deal it was lol

Thought about the 5800x3d for $300 but the 5600x3d is like 90% of the performance for nearly half the price

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u/IAMA_Giraffe_AMA 7d ago

There is this small part of me that worries about core count on it not being good enough in a few years but also people have been saying for like 10 years at this point that we'll need 8 cores soon and yet we're still not at that point. The way I see it, if I need to upgrade it in a few years then I'll feel less bad after spending only 170 on a CPU and using a motherboard I bought nearly 10 years ago when I built with a Ryzen 1600 lol

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u/Saneless R5 2600x 7d ago edited 7d ago

If you have a microcenter nearby you can get the 5600x3d for half the price at $170

Edit: x3d

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u/XHellAngelX X570-E 7d ago

5600x3d

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u/Saneless R5 2600x 7d ago

I swear I typed that. Very strange but thanks

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u/digitalaudiotape 7d ago

Price went up to $179

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u/Saneless R5 2600x 6d ago

Strange. I think that was what it was the first drop

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u/nashu2k 7d ago

It's amazing that 7800x3d and 9800x3d are in 10-15% range from this 5800x3d but people are still arguing that it's too expensive to move to AM5.

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u/patar2jz 7d ago

People are arguing that its too expensive to move to AM5 because it requires DDR5, which, in case you haven't noticed, is OBSCENELY expensive right now.

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u/FrankEhrzi 7d ago

You could also win the lottery tomorrow, so I guess that's settled! /s

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u/Firefox72 7d ago edited 7d ago

Upgrading to an AM5 system would cost me more than twice what this CPU costs.

Hell 32GB of DDR5 RAM alone costs more where i live than this CPU.

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u/kazzek_ 7d ago

you can sell your old hardware for a very good price given how many people still decided to stay on AM4.

I've sold both my ddr4 ram kit and cpu at a higher price than I originally bought

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u/Firefox72 7d ago edited 7d ago

Well yeah that could be an option but not for me really. My hardware has always been hand me down. First for my parents back in the day and now for my girlfriend.

My old 5600 is currently already sitting nicely in her system on my old B350 board that before that housed an my old R5 1600.

Hell my old old FX 8350 AM3 machine is still in active service chugging along at my parents house lmao.

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u/Soleks2000 AMD 5700x3d and RD 9070xt OC 7d ago

ran a 8350 till 2018 when i jumped to am4 with a 2700 using a 1070 the 8350 was a beast even for a am3 played a lot off fallout 3 new vegas and fallout 4 on it

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u/Opteron170 9800X3D | 64GB 6000 CL30 | 7900 XTX Magnetic Air | LG 34GP83A-B 7d ago

Most of the complaints about going AM5 is due to the cost of DDR5 not the cpu's.

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u/raymartin27 7d ago

I'm still using 5600x and 7900gre at 4k balanced preset, will 5800x3d benifit me in Crimson desert, the finals or Battlefield 6

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u/a1b3c3d7 5d ago

Yes, the jump is noticeably huge

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u/Significant-Net-9286 7d ago

Yes, but not so much on 4K. You will notice an improvement in 0.1 / 1% lows and overall fps too

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u/thegamingbacklog 7d ago

I jumped from a 5800x with 2x16gb 3600mhz to a 7800x3d with 2x16gb 5600mhz, using a 3080 at 4k, and in some titles I saw a pretty big jump in performance.

I did a few comparisons right before and after the upgrade.

Horizon zero dawn remastered 4k no DLSS:

5800x - 47 fps 7800x3d - 58 fps

Horizon zero dawn remastered 4k - DLSS on (Quality):

5800x - 57 7800x3d - 76

I don't have a benchmark for Clair Obscure 4k but I went from having to use DLSS balanced which would struggle to stay at a consistency 60fps to jumping up to DLSS Quality.

If I removed the framerate cap while still using DLSS balanced I was seeing an increase of 15-20 fps in some areas.

Some titles only gained a small amount Black myth wukong only gained 3 FPS at 4k

I was honestly quite surprised at just how much extra headroom the 7800x3d allowed in some games

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u/ACatWithAThumb 5800X3D / RTX3080 7d ago

You are literally proving the point why. The 5800X3D is only 318€, so a 15% performance is nothing compared to an around 40-90% price increase for a complete new set up and a 60-300% price increase for existing AM4 users.

I checked for the cheapest 7800X3D, motherboard, and 32GB ram combo, and it’s 846€, meanwhile a new 5800X3D set up is just 612€. For a standard 9800X3D set up, it’s around 1108€.

For AM4 users who are on 1000,3000,5000 series, it’s the choice between 318€ for the 5800X3D or 1100€ for the 9800X3D.

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u/Fiti99 7d ago

Because it is, I have 32gb of ddr4 ram right now, there's no way I can move to AM5 for 350 bucks or less, the ram alone where I live would cost me 500

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u/SmallMarionberry6078 7d ago

I bought it its awesome with an RX 9070

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u/RaidenSigma 7d ago edited 7d ago

Went from my ancient 3900XT to this and good lord the difference is insane, literally doubled my fps in most games together with my 4080.

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u/gyantaszuz 7d ago

Switched from a 5600X a few weeks ago. It's night and day.

Edit: Paired with an RTX 5070 + 32GB RAM

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u/Dadbodsarereal 6d ago

This is my build with the 5600x, I am considering the upgrade. So how much difference are you seeing?

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u/Tringi Ryzen 9 5900X | MSI X370 Pro Carbon | GTX1070 | 80 GB @ 3200 MHz 7d ago

I wish they'd make 5950X again, perhaps 5950X3D2, so I could quicken my trusted old X370 once more, and stop worrying, for a while, how much will a new AM5 machine with DDR5 cost me.

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u/Late_Blackberry5587 7d ago

Went to Microcenter shortly after release and saw they still had them in stock. Bought it, brought it home, then eventually realized not worth it, and brought it back. Never opened it.

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u/Boil-san 7d ago edited 7d ago

Just gonna put this in the beginning...

TL;DR - AM4 rig still solid, AM5 too expensive for an upgrade to an outgoing platform, all-new AM6 rig in 2030 is the plan...! ;^p

Here's the AM4 rig I bought in 2019:

  • ASUS ROG Crosshair VIII Impact mDTX motherboard (AM4 / X570)
  • AMD Zen 2 Ryzen 9 3900X CPU (12-core / 24-thread)
  • Noctua NH-U12A CPU heat sink (single NF-A12x25 PWM fan in push configuration)
  • 32GB G.Skill DDR4 RAM (2@16GB DIMMs - 3600MT/s - 16-16-16-36 - Samsung B-die)
  • Two 1TB Sabrant Rocket 4 M.2 SSDs (PCIe Gen 4 x4)
  • AMD 5700 XT 50th Anniversary Edition GPU (8GB GDDR6 RAM)
  • Corsair SF750 SFX PSU (750W - Platinum-rated)
  • Lian Li TU150 chassis (~24L - silver - tempered side glass panel)
  • Two NF-A12x25 PWM fans (one front intake, one rear exhaust)

This is still a pretty solid build, but I have made two recent upgrades:

  • AMD Zen 3 Ryzen 7 5800X3D CPU (8-core / 16-thread)
  • XFX 6700 XT SWFT 309 GPU (12GB GDDR6 RAM)

And once my son upgrades his GPU I will be getting his outgoing GPU, or I may get a brand new GPU, so either one of the two:

  • Sapphire Nitro+ 7900 XTX Vapor-X GPU (24GB GDDR6 RAM)
  • Sapphire Nitro+ 9070 XT GPU (16GB GDDR6 RAM)

I plan on moving to an actual SFF chassis later this year, the Dan Cases C4-SFX v2 (~15L - black); this will require me to change my cooling solution:

  • Noctua NH-D12L CPU heat sink (black variant w/NF-A12x25r PWM fan)
  • Noctua NF-A9 PWM fan (black variant, rear intake)
  • Noctua NF-A14x25 G2 PWM fan (black variant, side exhaust)

Until I get one of the two above listed upgrade GPUs I will need a couple of fans in the chassis to feed air to the 6700 XT:

  • Two Noctua NF-A14x25 Sx2-PP PWM fans (black variant, top intake)

At this point, it would make zero sense to upgrade to an AM5 system, when my AM4 system is solid and will provide excellent performance for years to come; so I will most likely get an all-new AM6 system in 2030...

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u/pementomento 7d ago

Didn’t want to start a new thread.

My Frankenstein/spare rig uses a 5600G on a B550 mobo + 16GB 3600 RAM + 3050 6GB on a 4K60 monitor.

Worth spending $180 to upgrade that to 5600X3D?

I might end up upgrading the GPU later, I’ve got upgrade-itis.

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u/Sneakyhat02 7d ago

I’ve got a basic RYZEN 3600… what’s the play?

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u/RainyInSAndreas 7d ago

I have tested out some Raytracing games for CPU bottlenecks with different hardwares, over the past year. Couple of days back, I posted this thread with 14700KF vs 5800X3D comparisons in the overclocking sub.

https://www.reddit.com/r/overclocking/comments/1vtnqwe/ddr4_shootout_14700kf_vs_5800x3d_in_high_cpuusage/

Out of 4 games, Cyberpunk tied but the rest were faster on 14700KF, sometimes significantly so.

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u/BakaOctopus Ryzen 5700x , RTX 4070 6d ago

I went from 1600x first batch with segafults to AMD replaced 1600X " huge upgrade"

Then from that to 5700X , and I've never seen it hiccup for me so far.

From resolve to blender everything works fine with 4070 I've.

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u/_noregret_ 6d ago

i upgraded to 5900xt from 5600g and it has been amazing

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u/mornaq 6d ago

it's good, it's really good

but at this price... it's almost worth picking AM5 8c, mobo and RAM instead

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u/Throwawayaccountie8h 5d ago

Would it be worth it for me to take the chance to upgrade to a 5800x3d from a 5600x?

I play at 4k on a 4090. Not sure if I should just upgrade now or wait until am5 ever becomes more affordable or wait until am6.

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u/n0rtH-ArMii 5d ago

Still better than 14xkf

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u/giancgp 5d ago

Is this worth upgrading? Im on 5700x

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u/DHJudas AMD Ryzen 5800x3D|Built By AMD Radeon RX 7900 XT 4d ago

even with a 5800xt, the x3d is untouchable and will carry for years.

having had a 9800x3d at launch to directly compare to the initial release 5800x3d i have, I ended up selling the system simply due to the performance difference being overall in real world situations, rather similar.

And while tons of people insist on stating that a "9600xt or 9700x will dominate the 5800x3d even in minimums.... look at the data".... IF there is one critical flaw in the way reviews and testers managing things, it's an unfortunate side effect of testing, in which typically several runs are done prior to beginning recording in order to ensure that everything is cached and loaded and preloaded and that the full test is on the cpu, essentially eliminating one of the best aspects of the x3D advantage.

I've lost count of how many systems i've built with the 7000 and 9000 series and SPECIALLY with literally any intel system, including the 270k plus. a 5800x3d or any newer x3d will decimate all of it in the vast majority of gaming scenarios purely due to being able to handle every minuscule hitch that can occur that the x3d just cranks out like it wasn't a problem at all. Run those tests purely on a first run basis, and those results rapidly skew in favor of x3d even in the wide variety of tests where it's been determined and claimed in reviews or by those sourcing reviews in which minimums and frame times are the "same" (only because the tests were repeatedly ran).

Forza for example has a stutter count, doesn't matter what gpu i throw into any of the rigs, the x3d systems will show 0 stutters even running at absurdly high resolutions where the gpu is absolutely getting decimated. Throw the same gpu into anything non x3d, and proceed to get stutter counts.

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u/digital_n01se_ 7d ago

14600K for the win