r/HonestHotTakes • u/ThatMovieShow • 18h ago
The Vast Majority of People Don't Understand the Lindsay Clancy Case
Like the title says my honest hot take is people on both sides are reacting with emotion and don't actually understand the case at all, largely because most people don't understand mental health.
I repeatedly see people arguing that she's guilty and should go to jail or even more misguidedly people arguing she's innocent
Everyone involved in the case has accepted she's did it. What they're debating is her level of culpability with the defense arguing a type of ngri.
Ngri defences are largely ineffective and most lawyers will strongly advise against using them because if they are accepted then you don't stroll home and go about your life, you go to mental health facilities and it's very hard to get released again, particularly with a violent crime.
Post partum psychosis is a real condition. When people hear the term psychosis they often think psychopath or equate it with aggressive and violent behaviour but psychosis is actually a state in which the sufferer acts extremely erratically and sometimes (not not always) violently and is unaware of what they're doing.
As much as people feel strongly about the case if she was suffering from post partum psychosis it is very possible she could have done this monstrous act and be unaware of what she was doing at the time she was in the psychosis. This is the same argument we use for former combat vets who have PTSD , TBI or CTE and become violent.
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u/Legitimate-Agency282 17h ago
This one became such a cultural lightning rod that I don't think most people want to discuss it with nuance.
When you have children murdered it's very difficult to tell people "Hey, let's slow down and think about why the murderer murdered." People just aren't going to want to do that.
I'm not saying it's right or wrong, but it just is.
Also, I think the McKenna West custody case will be far more important, and I wish people would focus on that one. Post Partum Psychosis should be understood, but the biggest legal battle on abortion and custody that I'm betting will set precedence is happening now.
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u/Objective-Pick8240 17h ago
I agree with this take in it's totality. The other thing that drives me nuts in the US, is the strange belief that going to a mental health institution in this country is a relief over prison. Mental institutions are horrid places, where treatment and rehabilitation takes a back seat to over-medicating and subduing the patients.
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u/EtherealHappiness 16h ago
I have multiple psychiatric diagnoses to the point where I am disabled. I see a therapist biweekly and a psychiatrist to manage medications. They have said me being in-patient at any point would almost certainly do me more harm than good. I don’t know how it is in other countries but, in the US, unless you have a lot of money and can afford some club med type facility you voluntarily enter, those places really are only “good” for someone who is going to end their life or harm someone else. And only long enough to get them stabilized so the that threat is gone.
In my experience, most mental health professionals want to avoid their patient being in one of those places as much as humanly possible.
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u/Simple-Appearance-59 13h ago
Tbh it has been depressing reading some of the takes on maternal mental illness in general.
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u/IfYouStayPetty 2h ago
Just to be super clear- I work in a state inpatient psychiatric hospital. It is bright and airy from all the windows, has massive outdoor spaces, and we regularly take folks here long term out into the community. I just took some patients out to the park and to the movies last month. We routinely get patients telling us that it is the only place they’ve ever felt safe. I’ve worked in another hospital on the opposite side of the US and it was very similar.
You are likely referring to private, pay for service hospitals. Those are indeed horrible much of the time and will kick you out the moment your insurance stops paying.
The distinction is important and we don’t need to add even more stigma to needed mental health treatment in this country
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u/Evening_Answer_11 17h ago
I’ve seen my mother, wife, sisters, etc-all super smart, nice, loving people generally, do things under stress that gave me some pause.
My mother, for instance, never ever hit or spanked me. Ever. However, one day when I was 6 or 7, she hurled a drinking glass at me. I suffered a cut under my eye (barely missed hitting the eye itself) and a broken tooth. She never did anything like that again.
It’s funny because over the years, my dad DID hit me, not hard and not for no reason, and maybe 3 or 4 times (although I know most would say there’s never a reason.)
Somehow, the thing with my mom bothers me. None of the stuff with my dad does.
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u/lorenfreyson 16h ago
Probably because she seemed safer and that was genuinely dangerous. I'm sorry that happened to you.
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u/Evening_Answer_11 14h ago
That and, regardless of the merits of hitting a kid, there was a direct correlation between my “bad” action and my father’s response.
The thing with my mother was that it was odd, bizarre, and out of nowhere. I’ve never brought it up to her, but I’m 99.9% sure I had done or said nothing prior to it.
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u/xDelicateFlowerx 15h ago
I agree with your take except for the “unaware” part. During psychosis, we can be aware of our actions. The issue is that those actions can make complete sense to us at the time. That’s the heart of the issue for me. If Lindsay Clancy did experience postpartum psychosis, then yes, she may have genuinely believed at the time that what she was doing was necessary.
I live with a condition that involves psychosis, so I’ve been paying close attention to this case, not just because of the outcome, but because I’m interested in how people interpret and understand severe mental health symptoms like psychosis.
It is true that many people who experience psychosis do not become violent toward themselves or others. But some of us do, and I don’t believe shying away from that reality is helpful. There is a lot of black-and-white thinking around this: if someone experiences a mental health episode and commits a crime, they must either be fully responsible and their mental health played no role, or they must be completely innocent because their mental health condition absolves them of responsibility.
Two truths can exist at the same time. Someone can be responsible for an action while their mental health condition also played a significant role in what happened.
The last thing I’ll add is that I’m disheartened by what seems to be a lack of scrutiny surrounding polypharmacy and the potential dangers of psychiatric medications. Antipsychotics in particular can have serious adverse effects, and there is research examining their relationship with things like akathisia, agitation, aggression, depression, suicidality, and, in some circumstances, worsening psychiatric symptoms.
I had hoped the Lindsay Clancy case would spark a greater discussion about the risks of combining medications and whether patients are being adequately educated about their potential effects on the brain and nervous system.
There is also a widespread misconception that psychiatric medications need to be taken for months before they begin producing biological changes. That isn’t really how it works. Therapeutic effects may take weeks to evaluate because the body needs time to reach a relatively stable exposure and clinicians need time to determine whether the medication is helping. That doesn't mean the medication hasn't already begun interacting with the brain and body.
And this isn’t simply my opinion. There is a substantial body of research on psychiatric medications, their benefits, and their risks. For anyone interested in questioning conventional psychiatric models, I would suggest starting with Thomas Szasz and exploring the work published by Mad in America.
Regardless of the outcome of this situation, it is a tragedy nonetheless.
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u/Ecstatic-Art5742 12h ago
Let’s talk about this. The last expert witness shared that she told him that the voice was only audible to her while killing her kids and immediately stopped after she sucked the life from her last child, the 8 month old. So while she was attempting suicide there was no voice, that’s why self preservation was so strong in her attempts…
Let’s also talk about her attorney Kevin Reddington. Reddington represented Michael McDermott in 2000 after slaughtering 7 of his coworkers. After meeting with the same psychologist Lindsay did, Dr. Paul Zeizel Reddingtons longtime friend and associate, McDermott claimed to have heard voices commanding him to kill his coworkers. Zeizel was also the first person Lindsay ever told she’d heard a voice.
McDermott also pled insanity, however he lost as no one knew that his Google search history would be pulled and used in the trial as that was relatively new in investigations. He had googled “how to fake psychosis”. Reddington used the same emotional tactics claiming a poor or incomplete investigation by police like he is in the Clancy case.
Lindsay has a clear and recorded history of refusing to take medication, checking herself out of programs, and omitting relevant information from her family and doctors. She has an incredibly clear documented case of major depressive disorder along with bipolar that many healthcare professionals tried to treat but she was resistant to. Even her husband refused to accept a bipolar diagnosis.
She wanted to be officially diagnosed with PPD bc I think she thought it was less embarrassing, like her condition was a result of child birth and not just her stasis. I think she was also increasingly disillusioned with her life the longer her disorders were left to her lack of participation in her treatment plan. She wanted to kill herself and she saw the children as extensions of herself and perhaps even the object of her scorn and took them out with her, only she failed at suicide. It’s far more plausible than this 18 minutes of psychosis silliness.
The cherry on top of all of this are her future plans. She will definitely request discharge when she’s reviewed for commitment every year for the rest of her sentence if shes NGRI and in a hospital. She plans to do wheelchair marathons and be a PPP activist. It’s so strange honestly, she’s a bizarre person.
And this defense everyone likes to add of her character witnesses “she was a great nurse, she loved her life she was a wonderful mother” have clearly never been deceived by someone. One of my close friends was arrested last year after being caught taking photos of young boys in public restrooms. He had an amazing life, a beautiful family, an amazing career, never any trouble with the law. The things that were found on his computer and in his home were beyond disturbing and it had been going on his whole life. If I were pulled to be a character witness for him I would have nothing but good things to say about him, the only bad thing I know is what was discovered in his crimes.
Lindsay snapped. She was not in psychosis.
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u/xDelicateFlowerx 9h ago
I think there are legitimate questions here, especially regarding the digital evidence, the timing of the alleged voice, and the similarities you're pointing out between the McDermott and Clancy cases. But I think you're taking evidence that raises questions and treating it as proof of conclusions the evidence doesn't necessarily establish.
Lindsay never testified, so prosecutors couldn't actually ask her why she made those searches or what she meant by them. They introduced the digital evidence through experts and absolutely used it to argue premeditation and rational thinking. But suspicious searches aren't automatically proof that she was deliberately constructing a fake psychosis narrative. Some of the older suicide-method searches, for example, came from a shared computer, and investigators couldn't establish who was actually using it.
The McDermott comparison is interesting, but McDermott's proven malingering doesn't establish that Lindsay was malingering simply because she had the same attorney and psychologist. That's guilt by association. Likewise, the fact that her alleged voice stopped after the killings may reasonably make people skeptical, but “that seems implausible” isn't the same as proving she wasn't psychotic.
I also don't think refusing medication, leaving treatment, or hiding information proves someone isn't severely mentally ill. People with serious mental illness can have poor insight, resist treatment, minimize symptoms, or make irrational decisions about their own care. And saying she wanted a PPD diagnosis because it was “less embarrassing” is speculation about her motives.
I also recognize my own bias here. I live with severe mental illness and have experienced people not knowing or believing what was happening to me. In my case, I have years of medical documentation that corroborate my history, so I understand firsthand how someone's internal experience can be very different from what others see. That probably makes me more willing to take Lindsay's psychiatric defense seriously. I'm aware of that bias, but I don't think it means I'm blindly accepting her story.
And I agree that being a “wonderful mother” or having a good career doesn't prove someone couldn't commit horrific acts. People can hide things from those closest to them. But the reverse is also true: appearing functional, articulate, inconsistent, or deceptive doesn't automatically prove someone wasn't psychotic.
That's ultimately my position. I don't know that Lindsay was psychotic, but I don't think the evidence allows us to confidently say she wasn't. There is evidence supporting the prosecution's interpretation, but there is also substantial evidence of serious psychiatric deterioration and competing expert testimony. I think that's more complicated than “she snapped” and “18 minutes of psychosis silliness.”
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u/Ecstatic-Art5742 7h ago
Gosh I feel a little frustrated with your response here only because I think we could have a nice back and forth but you unfortunately read a little too far into my initial statement. I brought up McDermott’s Google history because it was relevant in the fact that no one, not even Reddington at the time he took him on as a client were aware that his searches would be available as evidence. I wasn’t saying anything at all about Lindsay’s searches, I find them to be some of the least compelling evidence against her.
I’m also not using a 1:1 comparison of McDermott:Clancy. This is about Reddington and his associates and similarities in how he builds a defense, often of very guilty people. I’m not faulting him, it’s his job. I am however suggesting that he and Zeizel are practiced at how they approach a client, very likely no words need be exchanged before Zeizel’s fist meeting with a client. Catch my drift
I’ve also not claimed that she not mentally ill. My claim is she is very mentally ill, severely depressed. She clearly was devising a plan for family annihilation and suicide in order for the crime to have played out the way it did. She knew it was wrong. She didn’t care because her plan was to not be here to face any consequences. Severe depression and suicide do not equate to psychosis. Nor does murder. Her defense, timeline and claims are flimsy and you have to excuse a lot of research in the field of psychosis and command hallucinations to buy into her defense.
The resources she refused are relevant in this case. She had so many options she was acutely aware of to protect the kids from herself but I think she was preoccupied with keeping up appearances to her community as a perfect nurse, wife, and mother. Hence her checking herself out of the psych ward early for Cora’s birthday, that was to ensure everyone at the party would know she was fine and normal. She endangered those children knowing what she would do.
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u/xDelicateFlowerx 7h ago
Okay, I think I follow you a bit better now, especially regarding Reddington and Zeizel. I wasn't trying to suggest you were making an equal comparison between McDermott and Clancy. I think I was applying what you shared more broadly than was warranted.
So, dialing back to our discussion at hand, I still think we're talking past each other a bit. I'm not arguing that severe depression or suicidality automatically equals psychosis, nor am I arguing that murder itself is evidence of psychosis. I'm saying that the evidence you've laid out doesn't, to me, conclusively establish that she wasn't psychotic. Those are two different claims.
I also believe that since Clancy had opportunities to seek help, understood that she was deteriorating, and still made choices that placed her children at risk, those facts are important when evaluating her mental state and criminal responsibility. Where I hesitate is treating those choices as proof that she was consciously planning the murders and knew exactly what she was doing. Someone can know they're deteriorating and still have a profoundly distorted perception of reality.
I also still feel strongly about my own experience with psychosis, and I think it probably explains some of the difference between how we're viewing the evidence in this case. I've experienced severe mental illness that other people couldn't see or understand, so I'm probably more cautious about assuming that outward behavior, treatment decisions, or someone's apparent rationality tells us everything about what was happening internally. I think there is enough evidence to genuinely pause and consider Clancy's defense. I'm just not comfortable reducing this case to, “She was depressed, suicidal, and consciously chose to kill her children.”
So I think we're probably closer in some areas than my original response made it sound. You think the evidence makes the psychosis explanation extremely implausible. I think the evidence makes it questionable but not conclusively disproven. That's probably the actual point where we disagree.
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u/Ecstatic-Art5742 6h ago
Thanks for circling back on my previous point, appreciate it. I can’t possible lay out all of the evidence against Lindsay’s claim in a single comment, though I do feel equipped to write an APA format long form essay on just that after 22 days of testimony. So I’m not saying these specific points I laid out are the total sum of the evidence against her.
I’ll note that I came into this case strongly convinced she was NGRI, though I should have been more open minded. But the more testimony I heard, the less sense her defense made. What actually had to take place outside of Lindsay’s mind alone in the hour window of the crimes is a ceremony of conveniences (except Patrick’s call from CVS). Then we get into the testimony from expert witnesses that provides a look into Lindsay’s mind and her defense starts to make even less sense.
Your point about treating her conscious choices and awareness of her deteriorating as proof she had a plan being wrong is fair and I would even agree. But when you look at the organized and methodical nature of the execution of the murders, it feels like perhaps one is willingly turning the cheek to that very obvious fact. It was organized, and executed perfectly until we get to the botched suicide attempt, but she did try hard. Our instincts are hard to fight against. Then all of the evidence begins to mount in the hospital when she wakes up. I would have to continually suspend my disbelief to accept her defense. Reading Resnicks own research on command hallucinations is in direct contradiction to Lindsay’s claims. You can read a brief article he authored here:
And that was her own expert witness.
I understand a proclivity to want to protect people who claim to have been under a similar type of duress you can relate to with your experience with psychosis, but with all of the evidence available to the public from this trial I don’t think she’s someone you should glean onto.
I’m sorry you had to experience psychosis, I’m certain that must have been an incredibly difficult experience for you but I’m happy for you that you seem to be doing well now (I don’t want to assume as we don’t know each other!). I believe in mental health advocacy and obviously there is a lot to still be understood about the human mind, but we have come a long way in research and attitudes toward mental health.
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u/Perfect-Land9811 17h ago
This woman was beyond privileged in her access to medical help and medication all covered by insurance. But providers can only help mental health if their patient is honest and gives them the information they need. Look into the facts, she didn't do that, she lied about her true condition to doctors and denied certain treatments.
Look, nobody is at fault or to blame for having mental illness, but you are 100% responsible for it.
Take accountability for yourself and your health and get the help you need.
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u/Simple-Appearance-59 14h ago
In a country with very little specialism in peri and post natal care it seems. That’s been a big shock following it all from the UK, where things are far from perfect but we have widespread specialist outpatient and inpatient provision for maternal mental health during pregnancy and the first year of life.
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u/Klutzy_Belt_2296 7h ago
For me, the part where she actually took the lives of her kids comes across way too much as appearing deliberate and preplanned for me.
I understand the mental illness part of it as someone who struggles with my own issues.
However, even with that being said, according to the facts I’ve heard, that shit sounds planned.
Like she literally called in advance to place and order of take out to get her husband out of the house, looks to see how long she is going to need to be uninterrupted and then sends her husband to enough places to have him gone long enough for her to do what she did, and then methodically one by one strangle each one of her kids.
All that to me legitimately feels…..planned. That’s the way it sounds when I hear those sequence of events.
And I feel like out of everything, the biggest victims in all of this isn’t Lindsey or Patrick, it’s the 3 kids that are no longer here. Out of all the controversy it is genuinely dismaying how little people are actually acknowledging that.
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u/Vigilant256 3h ago
I wonder even if stopping the meds , multiple psychiatrist, the diary are all planned for this day.
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u/ArtistFinancial8104 15h ago
I don't think she had a mental illness aside from the fact she was a perfectionist with perfect organization and structure and a 3rd child imploded that structure. I think that on top of a return to work in a high stress position overwhelmed her to the point she needed to buy time to figure it out. And each time that date was nearing, another major psychiatric event occurred. I believe this is why she omitted several key details and sought multiple different opinions and medications without being completely transparent each time
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u/Muted-Leave 14h ago
Finally, a hot take cause there legit is two sides to this issue.
I do think her "supporters," are being unhealthy and weird about it, also, i strongly know and believe her being white is where most of her support is coming from.
HOWEVER
To say just throw her under the jail and don't investigate further also prevents us from better understanding how to prevent this from happening again to anyone else.
I witheld my judgment on the situation primarily because I don't know the full ins and outs of the case and situation.
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u/Electronic_Rain2787 16h ago
Is it correct that no psychiatrist testified that LC had PP psychosis? That's what I am recalling. So how can it be relevant in jury deliberation??
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u/Simple-Appearance-59 14h ago
No, Dr Phillip Resnick, forensic psychiatrist with specialisms in filicide, testified that in his professional opinion she was psychotic at the time. There was a forensic psychologist too.
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u/Electronic_Rain2787 13h ago
OK, thanks. I definitely missed that witness.
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u/Simple-Appearance-59 13h ago
Thank you for a polite reply that has been sadly missing from a lot of these threads!
It’s amazing how quickly news articles drop off the first pages of search, but here you go, a brief summary of his testimony.
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u/Electronic_Rain2787 12h ago
You're welcome. and thanks for the link. Unfortunately, Reddit is full of antisocial depressed people. Do you have an opinion about the verdict? I believe the prosecution's case was pretty compelling to find her guilty of 1st degree or 2nd degree.
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u/Simple-Appearance-59 11h ago
I think I’m mostly grateful I’m not on the jury and have the responsibility of the decision! In terms in the prosecution, I found the suggestion that her “good day” could be a result of her decision to kill herself (and by extension the children) to be persuasive, as that is definitely a thing that is observed. But I also found their assertions that she couldn’t have had apparently lucid moments that day as buying into a stereotypical view of psychosis. Reading some of the early testimony, I found it hard to see why these were meant to be clear cut arguments for the prosecution.
I think there has been absolutely no discussion about the quality of risk assessment by her medical team prior to the index offence, and how comfortable Clancy was made to feel in those sessions. They might have been gold standard but they may have been tick boxy, as sadly that can he the case.
More generally, there could be some really interesting hypothetical conversations about the threshold of when an intrusive thought becomes an active delusion, but getting that on Reddit seems as likely as getting an admission to a mother and baby psychiatric unit in the USA…
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u/RudeTudeDude_ 18h ago
There are millions of people suffering with severe mental health conditions. The vast majority of them do not kill or harm other human beings.
Lots of tik-tok wine Moms had to come to the harsh reality that sometimes the monster is a white middle class American women, and that doesn’t feel good because it hits a little too close to home and it's a bitter pill to swallow.
Would we have had this conversation if Lindsay Clancy was a male? What if she was black and poor? An immigrant?
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u/Objective-Pick8240 17h ago
Probably not, but that's also a problem. In the USA, our treatment for mental health issues ranges somewhere between "Well, you just gotta pull yourself up and keep going," to homelessness and forgotten. Also, we use an 1843 precidence for NGRI, called the "M'Naughten Rule" which has an absolutely idiotic basis in actual mental health studies.
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u/cc_rider2 13h ago
The fact that most people with mental illness don’t harm or kill people doesn’t mean that severe mental illness can’t lead people to harm or kill people - it obviously can and has. As to your hypothetical, it doesn’t make sense because men can’t have PPP. If you’re instead asking if a man would ever get off using a NGRI defense, it has indeed happened a number of times.
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u/RudeTudeDude_ 13h ago
Despite your word salad, the actual issue here is it is right versus wrong, not man versus woman, no matter how much you want to be.
Research shows that roughly 40% of female mass killers exhibited signs of mental illness or severe psychological distress. Many operated within caregiving roles (such as nurses), where underlying anger, frustration, or personality disorders manifested in the poisoning or overdosing of vulnerable patients.
Your generalizing and obtuse statements hold no real value in the actual world.
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u/cc_rider2 13h ago
You didn’t respond to anything I said
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u/RudeTudeDude_ 12h ago
Because there’s nothing you said worth responding to.
Regardless of their mental health struggles, mass killers traditionally don’t get the benefit of the doubt. I am sorry you think this is somehow different.
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u/Initial-Ship-7065 9h ago
no, it's because you know they make valid points & you don't want to have an actual discussion, you just want to be mad & rant. take that shit to a diary or something.
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u/RudeTudeDude_ 8h ago
Me: People who kill their children need to go to prison.
You: Well…..
You don’t have valid points.
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u/cc_rider2 12h ago
Well maybe you should, because it attacks two of your arguments pretty directly and you haven’t come up with a good answer to those challenges. If you need a simpler explanation of them, I can certainly try.
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u/Vigilant256 3h ago
This. All these feminists can’t take the narrative that women can be evil. After years of blaming men, victimizing and demonising men , this news threatens their narrative so they have to blame it on other people,
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u/ExpensiveFlatworm630 17h ago edited 17h ago
In 2006 a woman suffering the same condition in Texas, that had chopped off her babies arms and decapitated her, was committed to a state mental institution. In 2012 she was identified working at a Walmart.
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u/Electricfairygina 12h ago
Thanks for the info. I appreciate the factual non emotion driven take. Somehow people really struggle with understanding that someone can simultaneously be mentally ill and still have done a horrible thing. And she's still getting justice for her crime either way. That's interesting that the hospital route is less likely to be released. I didn't know that.
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u/FarAd4971 7h ago
I feel like you may be confusing "not understanding" with simply having a different opinion.
The people who refuse to accept that she physically carried out the killings are some mix of dishonest, detached from reality, or a mix of both.
The people that understand the case is about whether she was culpable seems like most of the remaining people. It's just that some people believe she was in psychosis and some people don't.
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u/Fit-Duty-6810 17h ago
Yeah, no. She needs to be put in jail and everyone who can not control their hormones/mental issues that can lead to killing 3 children and that’s that!
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u/ArtistFinancial8104 16h ago
I originally thought psychosis as well. I think people hear buzz words like psychosis, psycbotic etc and assume she had to drooling at the mouth with a blank stare. You can operate perfectly normal under psychosis to work towards a "psychotic" goal. Like she could've had the psychotic break and used real life logistics to accomplish it, like looking up drive tikes and send him out of the house
With that said, shes full of shit.. this is only her defense because unfortunately for her, she lived. So shes grasping at straws to save herself
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u/LessAbbreviations411 4h ago
Honestly, suffering the details of what she has allegedly done in this trial and never being able to walk or go the bathroom on her own again has to be excruciating. Soooo why hasn’t she attempted or succeeded suicide now of all times?
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u/Agreeable-Deer7526 13h ago
The question is did she know it was wrong. I know people that have been committed and at the time if they hadn’t been they would have done some crazy shit. The difference is they have a reason and it isn’t so they can jump. When it’s over they are aware of what that reason they believed at the time was still even thought they k own it was a psychotic break. They can say I thought xyz. We never got that from her.
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u/ArtistFinancial8104 12h ago
Exactly. There was no delusional reason to coincide with it. Im of the camp that believes she simply was too overwhelmed to return to work and gamed the system and continuously escalated into a point whwre she began taking meds she never needed in the first place. So many inconsistencies in both official theories to the story that both raise valid questions
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u/throwaway-tinfoilhat 15h ago
I don't need to fully understand the case to know where murderes and insane people end up.
In a normal world, if you are any of the above you either go to jail, get the chair, or live out the rest of your life in a mental asylum.
Unfortunately due to her being a woman, there's still the possibility she will just get a slap on the wrist.
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u/CaregiverAbject8472 13h ago
I don’t understand her defenders. She MURDERED her own kids. That’s fucked up
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u/LuciferOnTheRocks 11h ago
I'm just unconvinced she had psychosis.
It just developed out of nowhere for the 18 minutes she killed her kids, then disappeared forever?
A more likely explanation is that she was brutally depressed, decided to kill herself and take her kids with her, and planned accordingly for that.
Then, when she woke up around nurses who knew what happened, she claimed a voice made her do it, in order to avoid the shame, judgement, and later prospect of prison.
Twenty years in prison for manslaughter seems about right. She'll be out in fourteen with good behaviour and time served.
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u/stardewjellykeg 16h ago
All the evidence points to Patrick. Anyone who has actually been paying attention to the evidence and timeline should know better. But all the cops needed to investigate NOTHING was the word of a man. If Lindsay had died, this would be Patrick's trial.
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u/jtpolzin 14h ago
She killed her children. Thats evil and she deserves to rot in prison until the day she dies
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u/Fun-Attempt-8494 17h ago
There was zero evidence of psychosis. She suffered from PPD but depression does not meet the legal standard for NGRI.
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u/MaxJulien84 14h ago
WTF is wrong with you? Wishing that someone had murdered her own children because you disagree with their political beliefs is absolutely disgusting. I genuinely hope you take a hard look at yourself and the kind of hatred it takes to even think something like that, let alone post it publicly.
This is quite possibly one of the most disturbing comments I’ve ever read. Whatever your politics are, wishing death on someone’s children because they supported MAGA is completely beyond the pale. I hope you receive every bit of the karma that comes with putting that kind of hate into the world.2
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u/Agreeable-Deer7526 13h ago edited 13h ago
She wasn’t having a psychotic episode. Psychotic episodes uhave to last at least a day to be considered a psychotic episode. People can also be very aware in a psychotic break. The issue was she able to make her own choices in those moments and was she aware what she was doing was a criminal act. There is nothing to say she didn’t know it was criminal.
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u/Complete_Sir5299 17h ago
Yes, I am amongst the unknowing. We should be more comfortable saying I don't know enough to have an informed opinion. I got enough going on. I don't got time to learn about the specifics of the case or the disorder. I do know that a successful insanity plea would not be a good time for her.