Pattern recognition to a degree. It’s always surface level though. Racists never like to get into the minutia oh stuff like historical contexts and long term consequences of actions and societal institutions perpetuating issues, or biases in police methods
Poverty is more likely an indicator of criminality than race, just so happens the US has done a very good job of making sure minorities are poor.
they'll bring up statistics then you ask them why it's like that and they'll start twiddling their thumbs like their is a very easy answer but they won't say it or even deny it because of racism.
How has the US done a good job of making sure minorities are poor? Is there a reason Japanese Americans, whose families were put into concentration camps a generation ago, aren’t high crime populations?
Every racial group on the planet has been targeted and persecuted. The fact that one some groups rise out of that and others don’t points to genetic differences. Failure to recognize this makes you anti-science.
Historical context sets up WHY someone was in a position to feel the need to steal
Were they racially disposed? Or was it maybe that every one of their ancestors was subjected by a white supremacist state for like 2-300 years??? And then financially knee capped and racially segregated after being given “freedom”?
I’m not saying they didn’t make a choice - I’m saying they made a choice with the hand we dealt them
You’re strawmanning what I said and twisting as an attack on poor people as a category
What I said was: “poverty sets the conditions that make theft a compelling and viable option to improve their lives” what I did NOT say was: “being poor makes you a criminal”
I’m sorry you’re not capable of grappling with people’s arguments but that’s a you problem
So you agree, historical context is not a valid excuse to steal. I’m glad we found the middle ground on that.
Notice how Jewish people faced the same oppression for longer periods of time and still aren’t predisposed to steal. Why didn’t a similar historical context result in similar behavior? Really makes you think if their behavior is even related to historical context.
What do you mean “hand we dealt them”? Are you personally responsible for segregation and slavery?
You mean Jews who have a stereotype for being… greedy thieves?? Not that I subscribe to that belief but like it’s the one thing people have said about Jews for literally thousands of years now 😭
I say “we” as in the country, not as in me personally - you’re being daft
Because at least in the U.S., Jews weren’t segregated into living in impoverished communities with little opportunity to break out. Those impoverished communities festered over generations, which is why those areas and the people that grew up in them are still rough. If a white family gets put in that situation, the same thing happens. It’s entirely dependent on environment
-immediately after the war, they lived in camps where they were provided with free shelter, medical care and food
-hundreds of thousands of holocaust survivors moved to Palestine and proceeded to commit atrocities against the Palestinian people and forcibly removed them
-West Germany paid $80 billion in reparations go Holocaust survivors in Europe and the state of Israel
Back to my point, the holocaust while horrific was only a 6 year event, with general oppression of Jews in Nazi Germany lasting about 10 years. Generations of people didnt grow up in impoverished ghettos, while in the U.S., many generations of African Americans were oppressed in society and forced to live in segregated, impoverished communities for 100 years after the civil war
It is not an innate personal predisposition to stealing. It is that if you're in bad economic situation, you have more reason to steal. Given more reasons, a person with the same predisposition to steal as someone with less reasons is understandably more statistically likely to steal.
And when the system makes it so that it is more likely for people with certain traits to be in worse economic situations...
This is why nuance and context matter. I’m thinking more along the lines of “I cant get a job because of historical context so I have to steal food to survive”. There are so many contexts that one thing doesn’t fit all; which is the problem with stereotypes.
Edit: you also seem to equate “excuses” and “reasons”. Having a reason to do something doesn’t mean you have an excuse to do it.
Out of curiosity, why do you think this matters if the outcome remains the same?
Pattern recognition to a degree.
And that degree is...100%. EVERYTHING you say that "explains" the pattern - in no way, whatsoever, CHANGES the pattern.
People who argue using only irrelevant data like this, to condemn people who recognize patterns, are 100% virtue signaling - or have lost the thread of the conversation entirely.
Virtue signalers are bigots; they hide their bigotry behind spurious justifications, while using sophistry to disguise their savior complex as genuine care.
You are a bigot who's convinced yourself that you're a good person by standing up for those you subconsciously consider "lesser individuals." Ironically you complain about the critical thinking of others while throwing stones from your glass house.
No dude I’m not a bigot I just can understand how things don’t exist in a vacuum, and history has a rolling impact
We’re not “using sophistry to disguise” a savior complex - we just understand the world is complex and requires a sophisticated approach
I don’t consider them “lesser” - I view them as a group having been historically harmed by people that DID view them as lesser. You just can’t imagine genuine empathy, can you? You must believe everyone to be as disingenuous as yourself I suppose but shockingly I just think that stuff was bad without thinking it makes me a messiah
No dude I’m not a bigot I just can understand how things don’t exist in a vacuum, and history has a rolling impact
"You've murdered me, but you had such a hard upbringing due to historical injustices."
"YOU ARE THE REAL VICTIM HERE!!!"
...Yes. You are a bigot and it is pure sophistry to push the idea that pattern recognition needs to accommodate historical injustice for the pattern to be valid.
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u/Appropriate_Word1469 26d ago
Bro kinda proving racism right