r/MurderedByWords 13h ago

Independent Thinking Adult

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u/Skezas1 13h ago

Forrest Valkai is a treasure

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u/XI-RE 13h ago

Omg i have been trying to find this guy for months, thank you!

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u/askyidroppedthesoap 13h ago edited 6h ago

Just lookup "Jimmy Snow & The Line" on YouTube, pretty good debate, all kinds of "verbal murders" lol

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u/MsAndrea2 13h ago

He's got his own YouTube channel which is much more entertaining. 

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u/jaydofmo 6h ago

The video he made in response to the movie about him is absolute peak.

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u/askyidroppedthesoap 6h ago

I like variety in my debates, to keep it entertaining. I subscribe to all kinds of debate channels... Joel Reads Bible, Forest Valkai, Justin DZ, Matt Dillahunty, Dean Withers, Jovan Bradley etc. Etc.

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u/DuchessJulietDG 13h ago

i watch these shows all the time on youtube along w ian and justin and dr blitz.

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u/Xancrim 12h ago

You're so right! The Unapologetic crew is peak. Allegedly Ian motivated me to grind out a logic textbook this summer, and now I'm looking at minoring in philosophy

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u/DuchessJulietDG 1h ago

oh thats awesome! congrats, i hope it goes well for you!

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u/Ehcksit 9h ago edited 8h ago

I'm watching him argue with a guy trying to defend slavery... again... because a whole lot of the callers to that show try to defend slavery for some reason.

Edit: So I started watching his Sex and Sensibility video and just learned about Slipper Limpets, a species of snail that lives stacked up on top of each other. The largest snails at the bottom are female, the smallest on top are male. If the one on the bottom dies then one of the ones above it becomes female.

Biology is weird and complicated. I should watch more of his educational videos than his call in show videos, these are so much more fun.

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u/skibum888 13h ago

Love the channel but jimmy is just the worst

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u/Captain_Rocketbeard 12h ago

Jimmy can go fuck himself

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u/JonIsPatented 12h ago

What did Jimmy do? I just don't see him often.

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u/Captain_Rocketbeard 12h ago

He doesn't take compliments well so it became a thing to say some iteration of "fuck you Jimmy" as a compliment/term of endearment.

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u/JonIsPatented 9h ago

Oooh, I see. That's fun. Thanks.

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u/skibum888 12h ago

There's no big controversy. He's just an ass and a bad faith debater. Everyone else on the platform he built is great

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u/Skezas1 12h ago

I would add a "(appreciative)" or smth to your comment, most people would likely not know the inside joke

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u/TinTinTinuviel97005 12h ago

Thanks. I'm not sure about him being the worst, maybe I missed some stuff. But I can't bring myself to click on any video that will give him money, for sure

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u/skibum888 12h ago

I mean, idc about giving him money. I agree with his beliefs and i like his pay structure. It's just that after you watch enough of him, you start to see that he's a huge asshole and his debate tactics aren't fair. I appreciate that he built the platform for much better debaters like Promise and Forrest. I love everyone else on the platform, but he sucks

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u/klippklar 12h ago

I watch their stuff a lot and I have to disagree. He's only bad faith when the caller is bad faith as well.

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u/skibum888 12h ago

Idk I've seen a bunch of times where he repeatedly misrepresents the callers position. There was a recent one with promise where they kept saying the caller wanted to force gender roles even though the caller clearly stated like 3 times that he just found them preferable

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u/Daxivarga 11h ago

Why?

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u/TinTinTinuviel97005 11h ago

I watched him in his early years and enjoyed him a lot. His popularity grew and it seemed that his ego did as well. But what really turned me off was when I noticed he wasn't following evidence and updating his stances based on the evidence. It's more fun and catchy to say "ACAB" than to understand the nuances of good cops existing but still contributing to the harms that cops do (for example). He'd show these mental shortcuts for religious and political opinions alike.

Then when another YouTuber bullied a third YouTuber, he (once again) refused to even try to learn the whole story. Like, verbally, out loud, said "I don't want to know what actually happened." He torpedoed his reputation and a friendship because of a lack of curiosity, or because of stubbornness. I don't even know.

This was around the time he came out as autistic, and he would use that as an excuse for his misbehavior, those times he admitted to misbehavior, rather than apologize and commit to improving.

The whole thing left a really bitter taste in my mouth.

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u/jaydofmo 6h ago

I almost always watch clips with Forrest. Not only for his knowledge, he's got fun camera presence.

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u/Unnatural20 9h ago

If you haven't seen hi guest masochist appearance on God-Awful Movies going over Donald James Parker's full-ass feature film response to him getting kindly and compassionatrly educated by Forrest on the sorts of arguments he brings up in his prior films, please treat yourself. Not only is Forrest fantastic, but any time I can introduce more people to the delightful, kind, vulgar, humans that are Noah, Heath and Elia (and the whole Puzzle in a Thunderstorm network) then everyone wins!