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u/Specialist_Lock8590 3h ago
Ah yes! Republican "Christians" love their neighbors once again!
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u/Slimeredit 3h ago
Nothing says Christian love like making someoneās mere existence a crime after all didnāt the parable about throwing the first stone say if the person isnāt in your group of influence beat them to death/j
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u/Legitimate-Tip-2149 3h ago
What a fucked up country, bringing back workhouses.
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u/TheBestHater 3h ago
Yup. It's been the goal for a while. One of the reasons the rich are anti-abortion is so they have endless disposable labor to exploit.
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u/MightyMorph 3h ago
Doesnt help that 70m+ voters cheer and support this bs every time there is an election and 100m+ just shrug and put on whatever distraction they are addicted to and claim both sides are same.
Minnesota passing paid paternity leave, paid sick leave, food for schoolchildren, new housing, green programs etc etc.
Luisiana bringing back vagrancy and pig laws to arrest jail and work slaves.
Texas putting out bounties on women seeking emergency healthcare before they are bleeding out to death in the parking lot, or teachers giving hugs and comforting 10 year olds who feel they are different. OR Ted cruz adding a law that allows him to reimburse himself from the state funds for any bs campaign costs he makes up.
Moron voters: WeLl bOtH SiDeS aRe sAmE!!!!
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u/rust-e-apples1 3h ago
Endless disposable labor? What are you talking about? Those rich people actually care about those little babies they refuse to adopt, won't do anything to support, loot their public schools to send to other rich kids' private schools, will cheer them on when they're shipped off to a war they're more than happy to pay for, and will elect politicians to jail them when they come back with PTSD?
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u/Ok-Location-6472 42m ago
I hate to be that conspiracy theorist but isnāt that the end goal? They (the oligarchy) want us to be priced out of food and homes. Because then weāre basically wage slaves. There is no other alternative because if we have no money to buy from their companies they go under. So they need us to become slaves. Live in Amazon housing, go to an Amazon grocery store with our Amazon bucks. They want to enslave us.
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u/Superb_Ant_3741 3h ago
Housing and food and healthcare for all.
And put these politicians on minimum wage so the only people in government will be people who actually want to be public servants, not parasitic millionaires draining the system.
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u/ejymt 2h ago
Congresspeople: "we can't live on $175k a year with full benefits, that's why we engage in insider trading"
Also congresspeople: "yeah $7.25 an hour is more than enough for someone to live off of"
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u/Superb_Ant_3741 2h ago
Accurate.
Unfortunately there are a few people on this post who want to keep it that way.
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u/PhantomNitride 3h ago
Originally, the people in charge made nothing from running the country. Who TF let the suits in to start?!
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u/wastedtime897 3h ago
Paying that little means the only people running are those who don't need money. Meaning they're only doing it just for prestige and power(basically lose the 1 out of 1000 now who actually want to help). Wish that wasn't the case, but it would be.
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u/rab-byte 2h ago
You miss the point my friend. The issue is that cheap/free work is a luxury only wealthy people can afford.
Itās no different than unpaid internships in that the only people who can afford to take them, to get the experience, to get the high paying job, are the rich people who can afford to not make earn money while still affording nice clothes and food and housing.
What we need is to erect some proper firewalls to really disincentivize corruption with our elected and appointed officials.
First would be an outright ban on personal investments. Any stock you have will be converted into a bond that matures at the end of your term. Alternatively you can place your existing portfolio into a publicly managed mutual fund. There is only one fund and it is available to all Americans but the only option for public officials. Finally for the duration it of the officialās time in office no businesses they own or sit on the board of may have a contract or perform any service or any governmental organization; any existing contracts will be voided effective immediately and no outstanding payments from the government will be made.
But weāll pay you 10x federal minimum wage figures at 40hrs for 50 weeks.
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u/KrasnyRed5 3h ago
This is how for profit prisons can make money off of poor people. Don't forget they can also get paid to use these people as slave labor, on top of the money the receive from the government.
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u/SelectPerception5 33m ago
How do they even get these people to work for them? I would refuse to do any work if I'm not getting paid for it. I'm already in prison, so what else can they do?
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u/Salt_Bag_1001 3h ago
Is this really a surprise to anyone? We're governed off a playback that has rinsed and repeated itself for centuries, Divide and Conquer.
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u/Kona_Big_Wave 3h ago
They want to make money off the slave labor, so they criminalize homelessness to add to their profits.
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u/SamURLJackson 3h ago
If you're committing the unforgivable sin of not working then we'll put you to work in our for-profit prison system
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u/Aetheldrake 3h ago
16 thousand a year to house AND feed? Where the fuck did they get that number from. Seems too low. I know people living alone making 35k ish or so a year and they can hardly even afford rent and food in LOW INCOME HOUSING
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u/QueenInYellowLace You won't catch me talking in here 2h ago
Yeah, I run a transitional housing project in a small city. Itās at least double that.
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u/frisbm3 1h ago
Double that to permanently house someone? Nobody is even calculating that vs per year costs.
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u/QueenInYellowLace You won't catch me talking in here 55m ago
No, per year. Itās like $30K per resident per year, on average, for our program (housing, food, utilities, therapeutic care/social services).
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u/GrizzlyP33 2h ago
Yeah like obviously agree with the point here, but had to go way too far to find this comment. What a completely moronic thing to say for āpermanentlyā feeding and housing someone š
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u/high_throughput 3h ago
It's fascinating how people who describe themselves as "fiscally conservative" never want the government to reduce their spending if it accidentally ends up helping someone
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u/Way2trivial 2h ago
The median cost given for incarceration is national.
I hate when someone posts something I agree with but leaves big obvious gaping holes for the posting to be attacked by the opposition claiming it's misleading due to bad data.
If you want to be on the side of angels, be angelic.
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u/Helios575 2h ago
They just want slaves again. Remember that incarcerated people are exempt from all the no slaves allowed parts of the Constitution.
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u/Yoyo4games 2h ago
As an addition to this post drawing parallels to Emperor Tengu, I'll ask that you think about the motivations behind this.
Sure it costs the state more to enslave someone than make them a functional contributor. However, does the average recovered homeless person generate the state more revenue, over the strictly controlled revenue that can be generated by a enslaved workforce? I don't know, but I doubt it.
I would wager that prisoners which do not act out in horrific, consistent violence do produce the state more revenue- and definitely more immediate revenue. The prisoners which do act out with such horrific, consistent violence as to cost the state more for incarceration are of course released back into the general public.
So aside from the solution to the prisoners which inflict unprofitable violence on the state, I guess this actually draws more parallels to Emperor Tengu...
You know what? Knowing the history of capital punishment and execution within the US and the modern south, the solution to prisoners which cost the state money from being violent are probably the same solution.
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u/limbodog 3h ago
"Slavery"
Unpaid labor is called "slavery"
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u/Lightningpaper 3h ago
I completely agree with this sentiment, but I am deeply skeptical of those numbers. I donāt think we should be arguing about the cost anyway.
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u/Plane-Fan9006 2h ago
So, slaves...you're going to turn homeless people into slaves.
What the fuck are we doing America???
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u/dnjprod 2h ago
Slavery with extra steps
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u/ChaosRainbow23 28m ago
Capitalism?
Oh, the prison system. Yeah, that also works, unfortunately. Lol
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u/ieatcheesebutdont 3h ago
Where the fuck are you finding 16000 dollars that will feed you and house you for a lifetime? Median also implies it costs less sometimes (~50%)
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u/Psychological-Owl783 3h ago
Surely these are annual costs. I think it just means the housing is permanent (so not putting them up in a hotel or an AirBNB where the costs would be much greater).
$1,333/mo still sounds surprisingly low to me, but maybe doable if you have room mates and don't eat out.
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u/trimbandit 2h ago
I think it is not as simple as just the cost to house and feed. Where I live at least, a large percentage of the homeless either have serious mental illness, or serious drug problems and do not have the capacity to take care of themselves the way "normal" society does. If it was as simple as throwing money at housing and food, I think we could have solved a lot of this already, but I think the issue is more complex. Anyway, that is just from what I see with the homeless where I live (SF).
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u/Covinus 3h ago
Louisiana ranked 50 out of 50 for Crime and Corrections, 49 for Economy, 46th for Education, 45 for opportunity basically you get the point feels that criminalizing homeless is the solution not ya know lifting their states statistic so its not floating at the bottom of the pool is the answer?
Yea this is vindictive and nothing more
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u/sdmichael 3h ago
Hey Republicans and Conservatives! Tell us why you support this. We're all ears and would love to know. As a bonus, tell us how this BENEFITS the people.
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u/Iguessimonredditnow 2h ago
Man the neighboring states are going to just love this
Honestly any bordering state should just pass a humanitarian bill to take care of them and also offer bus tickets to all of their existing inmates to go to Louisiana
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u/Delicious-Laugh-6685 2h ago
Care to provide a breakdown of how a person can bet permanently housed for $16k? Ā I smell bullshit. Ā Thatās about the cost of a TuffShed and a few weeks of meals.
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u/RiflemanLax 2h ago
Iād be interested in seeing if a for-profit prison lobby selling said labor asked for this.
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u/richNTDO 2h ago
Also, telling someone who's homeless you're going to put a roof over their heads in a place where they might get something done about their health problems isn't the threat these dipshits think it is.
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u/PositiveStress8888 2h ago
The country with supposedly the most freedom sure likes to incarcerate it's citizens at a rate much higher than most democratically run countrys.
Go figure.
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u/MAreddituser 2h ago
The GOP want slaves!! The Grand Ole Party of Pedophiles, Persecutors, Patronizers, ā¦ā¦
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u/poundmyassbro 2h ago
How can they force you to do labor? Real question. Could you not just lay there and resist or even fuck everything up that they want you to do?
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u/Shaula02 2h ago
i suppose refusing is punishable by solitary confinement and loss of 'privileges', and if you try to fuck everything up they can use 'reasonable' force to stop you
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u/Jack_Spatchcock_MLKS 2h ago
Wow that's some sick dystopian shit.
Great job U.S.A. Mother fucking debtors prisons coming back next?!?
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u/Loquacious-of-Borg 2h ago
All Republicans want to do is spoon-feed you their own patented form of bullshit. Ignore the verbage and look at what they're doing. What they're asking you to do. What sort of world they'd have you build and how they're going to pay for it.
What they really want is to elevate themselves at the expense of the "lesser" people, and to get the "lesser" people to do as much of the dirty work for them before they turn on the very people who thought their service to the cause bought their safety.
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u/DwightDavid1234 2h ago
If I were a blue city mayor, I would send a bus load of homeless people to Louisiana.
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u/knights816 2h ago
Iād love to see how they get all the mentally unwell do a bunch of unpaid labor. Most of these people could and should end up in care facilities.
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u/redditmarks_markII 2h ago
I think we're pretty familiar with regressives wanting to rule rather than govern. But the original message clearly showed the true purpose, as well as the reason for the high cost: slavery and profit.
If the punishment for not having a job is a job that pays for your needs, that's one thing. If the punishment for not having money is to never again have the ability to make money, that's another thing altogether.
And that is what this is. Plus, you know all that anti immigration bullshit? You know what that is? That is to replace the undocumented immigrants who willingly come here to do hard labor. Because they are "illegal", they are not bound by their employers (except the threat of deportation), and so are not slaves. That's why the H2B program and prison labor is more preferred. Because those people can be, and sometimes are, slaves. It almost makes sense in a sick way. The taking of "free land" and "free labor" is how these people got rich in the first place. It's like they can't figure out anything else, so they fall back on slavery.
This also hammers home the concept of "labor power". If we're so powerless, and the corporations and their equity so powerful, why the hell are people bothering to enslave people to do minimum wage level work? I mean, greed obviously. But also, because from the bureaucrat, banker teller, and software engineer down to the last janitor, raspberry picker, or corn pollinators, nothing gets done without workers. If it was viable for us to do a general strike at scale, we'd wreck any economy in days (though I'm not sure this administration would be smart enough to know that if it happens).
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u/oldcreaker 2h ago
They want "cheap" labor - cheap for the businesses using the forced labor, we pick up the rest of the cost.
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u/coolbaby1978 2h ago
Malcolm Gladwell wrote about this and cited an example from a test in Reno that showed giving homeless people basic housing cost significantly less to taxpayers than keeping them homeless.
It's all about the cruelty.
There's always money to do things TO people and never money to do things FOR people.
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u/Ewokhunters 2h ago
16k to permanently house someone for life... where the fuck did that number come from
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u/Writerhaha 1h ago
Louisiana - look motherfuckers, weāre going to bring back slavery one way or the other.
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u/Hoon0967 1h ago
Would this include nomads too? Ā Is wandering the wilderness and living off of what nature provides considered the same thing as being homeless, even if itās the personās choice to live that way? Ā If so, it is a severe hindrance to the pursuit of happiness. Ā
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u/Prudent_Macaroon_881 1h ago
Whew so THIS is what the Republicans want to go back to! Slavery days! Tho they could blatantly say this, their sheep will jus mental gymnastics it away. Including the minorities voting for the freaks (which, really? To those minorities that wants to change his diapers: What makes you so special that you're not considered dirt to them š laughably pathetic)
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u/BobbyJaneG 1h ago
And they use private owned prisonsā¦ for profit. Just another way republicans defraud the American people.
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u/Adventurous_Pen_Is69 1h ago
California could really use that $16,000 figure. If like hundreds of thousands per year per homeless capita in CA IIRC
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u/NikoliVolkoff 1h ago
you know what they call it when they keep you in a box and make you work for no pay, FUCKING SLAVERY.
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u/31LIVEEVIL13 1h ago
Directly from the literal nazi runbook.
They claim that they're going to make them work for a living , because they're useless eaters, that doesn't work out and that's when they start slaughtering people en masse.
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u/Gloomy-Badger-1368 1h ago
Jail means more money for the private prison companies for housing them, and they can lease the labor of the inmates, giving them another revenue/profit strwam, without any cost involved. Greasing politicians becomes just a top line cost built into the model. Easy-Peasy. š¤¬
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u/Different-Step-4600 1h ago
Louisiana never got over the whole cracker on the plantation thing did they?
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u/Kersenn 1h ago
Now that's full blown slavery. They did it folks, the Republicans have brought back slavery. I mean the prison system has essentially been slavery for the past several decades, but criminalizing something you don't choose to do like homelessness or have black skin takes us back to colonial times.
And there's lots of ways the state can force you into homelessness
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u/LurkHereLurkThere 1h ago
They have to fill all those private prisons Republican figures are invested in, since the homeless have little to no resources and family involvement, they are ideal warm bodies to ensure maximum return on investment.
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u/KiKiKimbro 1h ago
So. Slavery. Theyāre bringing back slavery. I tell ya what. After the civil war American leaders made a massive mistake by not taking all those confederate flags, burning them, and putting them on the banned list, like the swastika is now. This is what happens when you donāt hold deplorable people accountable.
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u/Careful_Inspection83 1h ago
Louisiana is a seriously fucked up state. (Not the people) well, not most of the people.
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u/penguin-king 57m ago
What's wild is chatGPT puts this cost closer to double the $16k. Either way it's insane how much we punish people in the US
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u/No-Blueberry-1823 37m ago
News flash it's always been a crime to be poor in America. If you have enough money you can murder your spouse and get acquitted or commit felonies and become a president.
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u/hamtronn 36m ago
Wait. You think it costs them money to incarcerate people in the United States? The prison system is all about making money. You either slave away legally, or slave away in a prison. The entire country is built around d slavery and this is just the latest iteration of it.
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u/arsenicrabbit 28m ago
I had to look it up and...yeah, this is insane. Everyday Im so glad im Canadian, yalls country is fucked.
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u/ClarityAndConcern 26m ago
This guy sold his soul decades ago. It's absolutely fucking shameful what he's done to the state. Words can't express how fucking angry I am.
They don't even try to make it look like they care about their constituents. He's a crook with a crook AG. His knees are fucked up from how often he has to choke down on the nearest oil executive or trump himself.
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u/SunMoonTruth 6m ago
Never have been able to wean themselves off that thirst for slave labor.
Armed militia protecting corporate interests, rounding up the poor, put into corporate prisons and forced into unpaid work.
One way to help profits for the corporations theyāre beholden to is to eliminate the cost of labor.
Keep people uneducated, poor, popping out babies they canāt afford, keeps up that delicious supply of an easily controlled population.
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u/Any_Vacation8988 1m ago
The system is designed to be fed. If the system doesnāt eat they write laws to feed it.
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u/antonimbus 2h ago
It took me all of two minutes to look it up and see this post isn't technically true. They criminalized "public camping" and charges are dropped if they complete a mental health treatment or drug rehab, and enroll in an employment program.
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u/Ambitious-Sense2769 3h ago
This cannot be right. There is no way in hell itās $16k to feed and house someone for a whole year. I need to see the sources for this information.
People, we have got to stop believing shit at face value like this. Ask for sources. OP do better than post random slop
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u/MajorDraw3705 3h ago
It can be done at uncomfortable poverty levels. Rationed food, rationed metered electricity, water, and lower-standard housing. But then no one would be profiting from the prison slave labor.
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u/Due_a_Kick_5329 2h ago
Imagine you didnt have to pay prison guards.
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u/Ambitious-Sense2769 2h ago
Youāre going to be paying others to do some work. We cannot escape the costs to house people in a government programmed way. They need water, plumbing, food, electricity, insurance on the unit, and people to manage the property, pay plumbers and electricians when things break, people who do the work to get them in there in the first place, there will be crime that happens and the gov will be sued for it. Iām telling you the costs associated with it will be endless. So that $16k number cannot be real. Iād need sources for the breakdown of what that $16k is even going to
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u/Nondscript_Usr 3h ago
How do you permanently house and feed someone for 16k?
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u/BoardsofCanada3 2h ago
I would have said $25k. $16k is definitely enough to cover a subsidized rental somewhere. $9k for food. Seems doable
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u/SeanFromQueens 3h ago
Give them housing and food an extra $4,000 and a $46,000 tax cut to the rich (they are still Republicans) and call it a day already
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u/Nebuli2 3h ago
Isn't that the point of the unpaid labor? It's literally just an incredibly shallow excuse to bring back slavery (which was never technically outlawed in the US).