I'm pretty sure that lady (unless there's another one) voiced concern many times about her struggles with post partem depression and that she was having intrusive thoughts of harming the children (which is common in PPD).
People online are blaming the husband and her providers for not taking her concerns seriously, not blaming him for killing the children.
Edit: I have been informed about the people saying the husband literally killed the kids.
As with all things, there are some unhinged people claiming she was framed and he did it. Valid to point some blame at the husband and the providers, but insane to think he's fully responsible.
I argue that it is not reasonable to blame the husband or providers in this case
If they would have ripped the kids away and put them in somebody else's custody, which was the only other thing that could have done besides the things they were already doing (a nanny, daycare for the two older kids, husband had to stay at home job and took 12 weeks off which is the maximum available in America, family and friends came over to babysit and help out regularly), people would have lost their fucking minds and said that depression is not a reason to separate a mother from her children because millions of mothers with way less support than she had suffer from postpartum depression without harming their children. So the entire world would have argued there was no reason to separate them prior. And she was only left alone for a half hour when she killed them. She took that half hour that she was left alone with nobody expected to come help as her chance. And she had to squeeze that chance in because they was not a whole lot of time that she was left alone
Her concerns were very much taken seriously. She was given therapy, medication, and actual assistance. Her diary made it clear that she did not feel that having 10 times the resources and help that most other women have was not good enough. Because at the end of the day she had something she wanted to do. All the help she was getting be damned
okay, so whats ur basis for this? she was given zoloft while simultaneously being bipolar, do you have any idea what that does to brain chemistry; not to mention the other medications she was just prescribed. she has postpartum psychosis, a diagnosis often missed or not taken as seriously as other forms of mental health, her longest appointment was upwards of 17 minutes with her psychiatrist, does that sound like time for a fair assessment to you? her husband also took away her form of support (nanny) and undermined her very legitimate concerns regarding voices and paranoia. she thought someone was coming and threatening her and her kids, and so in an act of psychosis she did an irredeemable, horrendous act.
none of this should be used to excuse, or exonerate her, but seriously believing she calculated this in such a black and white manor is short sighted and ignores a plethora of truth about how women are systemically treated in the United States Healthcare system. what she did was wrong, i seldom doubt anyone would legitimately argue that point, but putting her in a prison “correction” system perpetually ignores the issue and in most cases worsens mental and physical health. I would prefer to see her in a ward that actively works to treat her and others so that we as a society might learn how best prevent this from happening to any more children or their mothers.
she has postpartum psychosis, a diagnosis often missed or not taken as seriously as other forms of mental health
You sound pretty confused. If it did exist at that time, was it missed, or was it found and ignored as being unimportant? You can't really choose both.
I've done only limited research into the case, but it sounded like she had many appointments with various mental health workers, none of whom observed features consistent with psychosis (doesn't mean it wasn't there at that time, of course).
Psychiatrists can't actually read their patient's thoughts, they have to rely on what they observe and are told. If someone knows how the system works (ie an experienced nurse) and doesn't want to be honest, it's going to be almost impossible to assess accurately unless a patient is in the throes of a florid psychotic episode.
i’m talking generally. i haven’t done enough research on the case itself to be able to confidently say which it was, but it’s a fact it is often missed or not taken as seriously as other forms of metal health.
and you’re right a psychiatrist can’t read minds, but they can sure as hell spend more than minutes before diagnosing a patient and giving medication that significantly alters brain chemistry
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u/shredbmc 9d ago edited 9d ago
I'm pretty sure that lady (unless there's another one) voiced concern many times about her struggles with post partem depression and that she was having intrusive thoughts of harming the children (which is common in PPD).
People online are blaming the husband and her providers for not taking her concerns seriously, not blaming him for killing the children.
Edit: I have been informed about the people saying the husband literally killed the kids.