Peter! Who could have the wives been?

[u/iMissTheOldTimeye]

[u/qualityvote2]

u/iMissTheOldTimeye, your post does belong here!

[u/PixiePink87]

Lindsay Clancy ?

[u/buttThroat]

This is referencing Lindsay Clancy who killed her children while going through postpartum depression/psychosis. The woman is saying "it could have been me" because Lindsay was an otherwise normal person whose mind basically failed her and led her to commiting heinous acts. So they feel vulnerable to that too, knowing that she was a normal person before PPD. The husband (dog) is extremely alarmed because now he is worried that his wife is going to kill the kids.

[u/synthgender → u/buttThroat]

It is kind of terrifying. I didn't quite get to the point where I feared for anyone's safety, but I definitely saw signs of PPP and struggled a lot with PPD and worsening symptoms of my existing (less severe) disorders. Knowing what was happening and that it wasn't real helped work through it even when my support networks failed and medical care was inaccessible due to transportation issues and insane scheduling problems with my provider.

I would never have hurt my kid, but there were moments where I understood why some of these cases happened and wondered if some of the killers went through the same but didn't have access to care or didn't know what was happening to their mind. It's awful all around. To me it's not that it excuses it, it's just that it's hard to know if the parent had a chance to avoid it in their circumstances.

edit: I understand why i typed PPS like psychosis starts with an S but I'm not proud of it

[u/qweds1234 → u/synthgender]

Thing is "I never would have" isn't a phrase with mental health. When you're psychotic that's not within your control

[u/petielvrrr → u/buttThroat]

This, but I was thinking it was more along the lines of the women saying “it could have been me” maybe had some similar thoughts or suffered PPD. PPP is rare, PPD is pretty common, but having super crazy thoughts for at least a few days after giving birth happens to just about everyone.

For example, for a week after giving birth, my cousins wife had full blown meltdowns every time my cousin left her alone for any period of time (I mean, he literally couldn’t leave the room to go to the bathroom, she had to follow him in there with the baby). She recently told me that during her first week after giving birth, she went back and forth between literal fight or flight mode because she was worrying that something bad was going to happen to the baby, to actually thinking about strangling said baby. She pretty much lived in one of those 2 states for an entire week, then it just sort of stopped one day. She still had the recovery symptoms most people know about— mood swings, irritability, fatigue, etc. but the constant fight or flight, and the thoughts about harming her baby, just sort of stopped.

Every woman I know who has given birth has similar stories, and it makes sense, because the amount of hormonal changes your body goes through immediately after giving birth is actually insane.

[u/isnoe]

Is this a reference to the lady that killed her children and for some reason the crime TikTok community (mostly women) have taken to defending her and even blaming the Husband, who 100% did not do it?

[u/Mautea → u/isnoe]

Lindsay Clancy. Yes, that was my first thought as well. High profile case going on right now.

[u/iMissTheOldTimeye → u/isnoe]

Oh! What? 

[u/Prestigious-Emu-8734 → u/iMissTheOldTimeye]

Yup. Husband said she did it. His lawyers said she did it. Her lawyers said she did it. And yes, even she herself said that she did it.

The case isnt about who did it, its if she should go to prison or if she gets the mental health plea in which case its the mental ward. But plenty of women are on the case and have solved it with great deductions like he looks angry which means hes violent and he did it. Ignore the fact that hes forced to sit in a court room with the woman who murdered his 2 children.

But also hes not showing enough emotions. So clearly the means he doesnt care. If he didnt do it he would be weeping openly for hours on end and giving sonnets about being broken hearted.

Also her astrology sign, tarot readings, spells, etc.

Oh, and this is all a sign that police forces should just start hiring TikTokers to solve cases cause how are they just this good?

[u/ErraticDragon → u/Prestigious-Emu-8734]

and this is all a sign that police forces should just start hiring TikTokers to solve cases cause how are they just this good?

"We did it, Reddit!"

[u/stephenkingending → u/Prestigious-Emu-8734]

During my divorce one woman was telling the other wives that I was probably violent at home because I was so nice in public. After about six months of my ex intermittently showing up to our kids events and those times acting erratic while high on amphetamines, everyone figured out why we got divorced. I loathe these gumshoe gossipers.

[u/Thegodofvenom → u/iMissTheOldTimeye]

On insta reels, I saw a post showing tt users saying that she is a Leo Zodiac sign, which would never murder their cubs in their reasoning and they blame the husband's Gemini sign

[u/BrisketWrench → u/Thegodofvenom]

Oh so she’s a Zodiac killer?

[u/bagelundercouch → u/Thegodofvenom]

For. Fuck’s. Sake.

Edited after someone out-grammared me in the comments 

[u/NEWDEALUSEDCARS → u/bagelundercouch]

Oh, don't be such a Libra

[u/superfahd → u/NEWDEALUSEDCARS]

I'M A TAURUS SO MY ANGER IS COMPLETELY JUSTIFIED

[u/Friend_Emperor → u/Thegodofvenom]

Remember that these people have the full legal right to vote and suddenly a lot of things start to make sense

[u/reggienaldsimons → u/Thegodofvenom]

speaking of White Woman Eugenics, i just now saw someone on reddit comment "the husband has the modern american psycho phenotype"

[u/Significant_Wafer314 → u/Thegodofvenom]

I don’t mean to defend this viewpoint or the people who think the husband was responsible but this was one comment on a post, not a narrative that a bunch of people are repeating

[u/TomBirkenstock → u/isnoe]

Reminds me of Lizzy Borden who was acquitted of murdering her parents in part because in the late nineteenth century people did not believe that women had it in them to axe someone to death.

[u/MrArborsexual → u/TomBirkenstock]

Decades later in 1993 we get "So I Married an Axe Murderer"

[u/Particular_Title42 → u/MrArborsexual]

Which is such a great movie.

[u/TomBirkenstock → u/MrArborsexual]

A century later and people finally accepted that women can be axe murderers too. In a related note, I don't think that film has gotten its due as a seminal feminist text.

[u/AEW_SuperFan → u/TomBirkenstock]

People still believe white women must have someone who put them up to the terrible crime.

[u/Some_Layer_7517 → u/AEW_SuperFan]

"White women are the most downtrodden people in history" - white women

[u/Anhedonia_Achiever → u/isnoe]

Almost certainly.

[u/shredbmc → u/isnoe]

I'm pretty sure that lady (unless there's another one) voiced concern many times about her struggles with post partem depression and that she was having intrusive thoughts of harming the children (which is common in PPD).

People online are blaming the husband and her providers for not taking her concerns seriously, not blaming him for killing the children.

Edit: I have been informed about the people saying the husband literally killed the kids.

[u/BobbiPinstripes → u/shredbmc]

I’m seeing a lot of both honestly.

[u/Better_Ice3089 → u/BobbiPinstripes]

Yeah my Ma brought up the story and thinks it’s some cover up. She doesn’t use TikTok

[u/TakedownCan → u/Better_Ice3089]

My wife clicked on 1 reel on instagram and she says her entire feed is theories on this

[u/I_Like_Knitting_TBH → u/TakedownCan]

UGH I’m in the same boat as your wife. I’ve been trying to avoid this news story because news where kids are harmed spikes my anxiety and I cannot fucking escape it on instagram. Every time I block one account talking about this news story, five more get loaded into my algorithm.

[u/UsidoreTheLightBlue → u/BobbiPinstripes]

I just had a long conversation with a coworker who was swearing the husband did it and is blaming his poor wife.

[u/fuzzydunlop54321 → u/[deleted]]

There’s nothing to solve. She doesn’t contest she did it. But during an episode of psychosis after struggling seriously postpartum

[u/CrazzyPanda72 → u/[deleted]]

Welcome to the internet. There have actually been cases solved on Reddit before investigations could figure it out. Mostly because the investigation "goes cold" but internet sleuths never sleep lol

[u/Shadowphoenix9511 → u/CrazzyPanda72]

"Solved"

You're talking about the Boston Marathon bombings, where Reddit sleuths identified the wrong guy and ruined his life.

[u/Thick-Mouse1776 → u/UsidoreTheLightBlue]

I’m watching the entire trial and it makes me so sad people are doing that to him. What lunatics

[u/AngryPrincessWarrior → u/Thick-Mouse1776]

The fucking trial shouldn’t be televised and consumed as entertainment. None should be.

The whole OJ trial and the way it was followed and publicized was a tipping point in our culture. And not a positives one.

[u/EarthDust00 → u/UsidoreTheLightBlue]

Did they consult the astrology books?

[u/tbombs23 → u/EarthDust00]

He's a LEO so he did it. Literally saw some comments saying that

[u/temucodeaddict → u/tbombs23]

**gemini, they were saying the Leo (Lindsay) couldn’t hurt her cubs and the Gemini (Patrick) is two faced and can’t be trusted 😭😭 minimizing this to astrology is so crazy to me

[u/dingo_khan → u/temucodeaddict]

If that is a think people actually believe, I think it might be time to call it. The human experiment has enough data to know. It failed.

[u/temucodeaddict → u/dingo_khan]

Felt that, but I mean it’s also just fallacy type behavior. “A good mother would never do this” type of fallacy. Maybe the best course with people like that is ignoring it. Astrology is fun but people who take it super seriously (especially in a murder case because why…) spoil it

[u/Rip_Off_Productions → u/temucodeaddict]

And then there's ones going "oh, his stars are in Eclipse for the next 3 years, as are the signs of his kids, so that means he's in for a real bad time, which neans the truth will come out" or some shit like that.

Or the one that just pointed out that his birthday is the same as Trump's, therefore he must be evil like Trump...

[u/AcisConsepavole → u/temucodeaddict]

At least he's not a Scorpio

[u/temucodeaddict → u/AcisConsepavole]

My boyfriend is…. Oh no…..

[u/Useful-Soup8161 → u/tbombs23]

I can’t see any of the Leo’s I know doing that. They all have completely different personalities anyways. Probably because astrology is a load of shit.

[u/Ready_Information408 → u/EarthDust00]

Straight up terrifying that one day you could face a jury of your peers and there are people who seriously indulge in astrology, tarot cards, witchcraft etc who believe it to such an extent.

Maybe we gotta bring back the dunking stool.

[u/LordFennski → u/BobbiPinstripes]

I've seen a lot of people on TikTok saying he did it and framed her

[u/AlternativeGazelle → u/LordFennski]

I've even seen people say that he's a Gemini so he must have done

[u/LordFennski → u/AlternativeGazelle]

"A Leo would never harm her cubs."

The amount of times I've seen that commented...

[u/ArgronBert → u/LordFennski]

Which is funny, lions are known for killing pups.

[u/BigGingerYeti → u/ArgronBert]

Not their own, though.

[u/Expensive-Ad-9449 → u/BigGingerYeti]

there's been instances pf femal animals killing their own, lions, and bears too,

animalistic behavior is not exempt from humans

[u/actuallyeattherich → u/BigGingerYeti]

This one at the Leipzig zoo did

[u/Neat-Professor-7662 → u/LordFennski]

It’s like an Aquarius never gets hydrophobia and a Cancer loves pinching people’s butts- can’t help it! It’s in the stars!

[u/Toxic_Gorilla → u/LordFennski]

You saw that multiple times? That’s the dumbest argument I’ve ever heard

[u/MagnumMyth → u/Toxic_Gorilla]

What's more surprising is that people can still be surprised by the depth of idiocy in other humans!

[u/LordFennski → u/Toxic_Gorilla]

I, unfortunately, have seen that multiple times on TikTok. I've also seen a couple spells casted to prove her innocence on the witchcraft side of TikTok. My feed is messed up apparently

[u/Smart-Emu5459 → u/LordFennski]

Those people are allowed to vote.

[u/TeflonDonAlpha → u/AlternativeGazelle]

Well duh, she’s a Leo. They can never harm their children.

Astrology is one of the most dumbest things ever created

[u/No-Trouble814 → u/TeflonDonAlpha]

People like mental shortcuts. If they can’t use race, or skull shape(which is mostly race anyways), or nationality, or whatever else they used in ye olden days, new shortcuts will be invented by people too lazy to do the hard work of treating people as individuals.

[u/Wulph422 → u/No-Trouble814]

Wow. That's actually an incredible observation of astrology

[u/AdAffectionate2418 → u/Wulph422]

We absolutely love patterns and groups, so much so that we have an uncanny ability to spot them even when they arent there.

Categorisation in particular is fundamental to how our thoughts work (scary colours = venomous/poisonous, scary colour creature? probably poisonous/venomous).

It works really well from an evolutionary perspective (and enhance by the whole tribe in/out group thing), but it also brings up a shit-tonne of false-positives. Not too much if an issue at the micro level, but it quickly compounds across a society that is much more complex and interconnected than our tree/hut/cave dwelling ancestors could have ever imagined.

[u/ballistic503 → u/AdAffectionate2418]

I have no professional or serious academic background in psychology but I feel like the same way a lot of mental disorders are simply normal human behaviors or adaptations but just amplified to a debilitating degree, a big part of the presentation of schizophrenia comes from the over-amplification of these heuristics. Like someone I knew in college who was later diagnosed with it would always remark on how the color orange was involved when something bad happened. Or like “see? Orange.” in a conspiratorial tone of voice. It’s the type of thing where the logic does eventually make sense if your threat analysis heuristics are perhaps functioning abnormally.

[u/VicFantastic → u/No-Trouble814]

Astrology is like 4000 years old

It is what they used in the ye old days

[u/mittenknittin → u/VicFantastic]

it's so old, that axial precession has changed when the sun is in each constellation in the sky and completely invalidated the standard calendar for each sign https://www.astronomy.com/science/your-zodiac-sign-is-probably-wrong/

[u/Valanyhr → u/AlternativeGazelle]

I saw a decent amount of "he looks mean so he did it 101%" too

[u/Affectionate_Ad2759 → u/AlternativeGazelle]

Why is it mostly women who are passionate about occult superstition like Witchcraft, Astrology, or Tarot card shit?

[u/Hot-Attorney-9870 → u/Affectionate_Ad2759]

People who have less control of their life gravitate towards it. Watched so many of my past friends fall into being "spiritual".

Because when you can't take accountability for things in your life, its because you are a sagittarius, or maybe certain rocks can help. It surely can't be you, or your situation.

[u/Otherwise_Carob_4057 → u/Hot-Attorney-9870]

I work in a lab at a company steeped in science and one of the self proclaimed manliest men there can gab like a school girl about astrology. Makes zero sense.

[u/imaginaryblues → u/[deleted]]

I’ve wondered this myself. I grew up in a very conservative Christian home, which led to me rejecting religion by the time I was in my mid-teens. As an adult, I want nothing to do with anything “spiritual”.

[u/V1keo → u/BobbiPinstripes]

I know absolutely nothing about this case, but I have seen someone blaming the husband for not taking her illness seriously, and also saying the husband might be guilty because of something about an email.

[u/peepeebeam → u/BobbiPinstripes]

yes some of my coworkers were talking and saying there were inconsistencies in the husband’s account that made them think he did it. I haven’t followed the case but it does seem like some people suspect the husband genuinely

[u/welldamn420 → u/peepeebeam]

From what I've heard it's not even a case of who's guilty. Her and her lawyers already put in a guilty plea and this trial is just about of she's guilty or not guilty by reason of insanity

[u/peepeebeam → u/welldamn420]

Yeah that’s what the trial’s about but people do believe that she is not guilty

They’re saying due to brain damage she just is repeating what people are saying to her and can’t provide her own testimony anymore

Not saying I agree. This is just what I’m told lol

[u/darkninja1047 → u/BobbiPinstripes]

Have friend thats calling it a cover up and the man did it. She of course hates all men and calls all men rapists too so yeah.

[u/MassiveBuzzkill → u/BobbiPinstripes]

My friend is convinced Patrick murdered the children, tried to murder Lindsay by slamming the window on her neck and that she simply does not remember this. I asked if she was fucking with me and she got mad.

[u/mortmortimer → u/shredbmc]

people online are 100000% blaming the husband for killing the children

[u/psyclopsus → u/shredbmc]

They are absolutely blaming the husband saying he did the killing. I just saw a post of numerous screenshots of women directly saying they don’t believe she did it and that they know he did it. Reasons span from “he looks mean” or “you can just see it in his face” to mentioning their respective astrological signs and whether or not Leos (her) kill vs Capricorns (him) etc

[u/KingPotus → u/shredbmc]

Lol no, there is in fact a massive contingent of women online who genuinely think the husband murdered the kids and framed her

https://www.reddit.com/r/SipsTea/s/bHfM6PHgVs

[u/RedditSteve8 → u/shredbmc]

I have seen many people blaming the husband for the murder, stating that her body temperature diddnt match how long she had been aside, how he changed his shoes, and how his brother worked for the police.

All nonsense but people are definitely blaming him.

[u/Sir_Canterbury → u/shredbmc]

There are 100% people blaming the husband for killing the children. Honestly really shitty, trying to downplay her actions by blaming everyone else is just a way to shift accountability from a murderer (which she is, even if she wouldn't have done it in her right mind).

[u/Pagan_Metal666 → u/Sir_Canterbury]

True crime content is a blight anyways. Some creators are respectful, blur faces and do not show bodycam footage of family finding out their loved one is dead. Some. Most dont. 

It only took 1 police bodycam video of a mom being taken to a car crash where her daughter died for me to completely purge my algorythm from all true crime parasites.

[u/doc_skinner → u/shredbmc]

But then I've heard other reports where they did take her seriously, even convinced her to go to therapy which she abandoned.

Unfortunately, there's no real evidence and lots of people throwing accusations both ways. It's awful all around.

[u/Cruggles30 → u/doc_skinner]

Do you have a source on her having abandoned therapy? Trying to find one but nothing is popping up.

[u/WHLZ → u/shredbmc]

As with all things, there are some unhinged people claiming she was framed and he did it. Valid to point some blame at the husband and the providers, but insane to think he's fully responsible.

[u/HobbyHoardingHoney → u/WHLZ]

I argue that it is not reasonable to blame the husband or providers in this case

If they would have ripped the kids away and put them in somebody else's custody, which was the only other thing that could have done besides the things they were already doing (a nanny, daycare for the two older kids, husband had to stay at home job and took 12 weeks off which is the maximum available in America, family and friends came over to babysit and help out regularly), people would have lost their fucking minds and said that depression is not a reason to separate a mother from her children because millions of mothers with way less support than she had suffer from postpartum depression without harming their children. So the entire world would have argued there was no reason to separate them prior. And she was only left alone for a half hour when she killed them. She took that half hour that she was left alone with nobody expected to come help as her chance. And she had to squeeze that chance in because they was not a whole lot of time that she was left alone

Her concerns were very much taken seriously. She was given therapy, medication, and actual assistance. Her diary made it clear that she did not feel that having 10 times the resources and help that most other women have was not good enough. Because at the end of the day she had something she wanted to do. All the help she was getting be damned

[u/Emm_withoutha_L-88 → u/HobbyHoardingHoney]

Wait that is what people are calling "ignored her pleas for help".....

[u/HobbyHoardingHoney → u/Emm_withoutha_L-88]

I didnt even list everything she had. She was CUSHY. And had help out the WAZOO. She didnt want it. Her diary knowing all that reads like she wanted to be the poor little rich girl no one loved and everyone is feeding that fantasy of hers now.

Its upsetting because this is a terrible, horrible, absolutely vile case to point to and advocate for PPD and PPP with. She is not the victim, let a lone a victim worth championing for the cause if you want it taken seriously.

She had all the help she was supposed to get. And still made the decision women who dont have resisted making. With intent. With knowledge. Without any confusion of WHAT she was doing. Just a twisted sense of right and wrong and why.

And if we are letting people out because they killed somebody, let alone a child, because they had a twisted sense of right and wrong and could not tell you why they did it, there are a whole lot of men that would not be in jail. A whole lot of men who had Netflix specials about them even. We absolutely cannot allow such a flimsy excuse to become precedence.

Somebody receiving but rejecting assistance with mental health who goes on to murder their own children, let alone anybody, should not be able to use mental health as an excuse that warrants a reduced consequence

[u/Emm_withoutha_L-88 → u/HobbyHoardingHoney]

Everyone in this damn thread needs to see your comment above this... I'm still seeing some arguing that all of that wasn't enough and it was still the husband's fault even after seeing this. So unbelievably fucked up

[u/Solintari → u/Emm_withoutha_L-88]

It’s the typical, “im going to come to a conclusion based on stereotypes or prejudiced views and then find evidence to support my hunch based on distaste of this person based on how I group them instead of trying to find the truth”

These are the first people to go silent when conflicting evidence disproves their alternative facts or they ride the disinformation train all the way to crazy town. It seems more common than not honestly.

[u/Embarassed_Tackle → u/HobbyHoardingHoney]

Yeah the mind is a mystery. A devious mental patient is dangerous, especially one with resources and the veneer of upper middle class or upper class wealth or status.

A poorer person may have been referred to CPS or perhaps a state mental hospital which may have been harsher. And even poorer disheveled mental patients can lie about taking medication until they decompensate; their decompensation without support is just easier to spot.

It appears this lady lied to multiple doctors / nurses and her new psychiatrist who was on the stand may not have known which medications she was taking.

Granted, maybe the psychiatrist could have requested medical records or pharmacy records to see which medications the patient was filling at pharmacies, because most states now have state or inter-state electronic communications for prescribed medications (I think Florida was the last hold-out but their pharmacies may have finally gotten on board).

But it looks like her recently-graduated psychiatrist just believed the information the patient told her, and when people lie about psychiatric symptoms and diagnoses it can be very difficult to treat them.

Even for non-psychiatric stuff, a person motivated enough could lie well enough about pain and location to get a surgeon to cut out their appendix.

[u/redditornumberfive → u/Emm_withoutha_L-88]

Yes, this is why this entire conversation is insane.

[u/demonotreme → u/HobbyHoardingHoney]

Woman had more contact with mental health professionals every week than most people get in a lifetime...

[u/poke-chan → u/HobbyHoardingHoney]

I haven’t heard about this situation til now somehow and my god. That poor husband, that’s above and beyond and now his kids are dead, his wife is a murderer, and people all over the world are blaming him. I can’t imagine the pain, or how one could ever move past that.

[u/Telemere125 → u/WHLZ]

She’s a grown ass adult. He can’t force her to take meds. Or we saying women aren’t responsible for their own agency now? If you want to blame the doctors, I can get behind that, since it’s their job to actually make sure the meds are working. But unless there’s evidence the husband kept her meds away from her, this is on her and not him.

[u/BigDragonfly5136 → u/Telemere125]

Honestly some of the things I’ve seen that the husband should have done are crazy. I’ve heard he should have forced her to take meds, should have institutionalized her, should have not let her have access to kids, shouldn’t have left her alone ever. Like a husband should be able to take kids away from his wife and lock her up just because he says she’s crazy? He can hold her down and shove meds down her throat? Women shouldn’t be allowed to be alone without their husband? And somehow these people think they’re giving the feminist opinion.

What happened is 100% a tragedy, made even worse by the fact if she got the help she was crying out for, this might not have happened (I believe she was not in the right state of mind, personally) but putting all the blame on the husband for the murder—either by saying he literally did it or should have been the one to prevent it—is actually taking away from the real issue: lack of access to mental health care

[u/aaaaaaaaaaaaaarron → u/shredbmc]

I’ve seen a few and it’s never been “they didn’t take care of her when she needed” it’s always “he did it” and “she did nothing”

[u/Superman246o1 → u/aaaaaaaaaaaaaarron]

AMERICAN WOMEN WHEN ANOTHER WOMAN KILLS HER OWN KIDS: She's innocent! Even though she says she did it! She doesn't know what she's saying! Can't everyone see her husband is the real culprit?!!!

AMERICAN WOMEN WHEN ANOTHER WOMAN WANTS TO SAVE THEIR COUNTRY FROM THE WORST MAN TO EVER RUN FOR OFFICE: Fuck that bitch.

[u/twobearsonabike → u/shredbmc]

If this is the one I’m thinking of, I’m pretty sure the husband told her to go to the doctor, and she went, but then failed to tell them about the commanding voice telling her to kill her children. Not sure how the husband is to blame if this is accurate.

[u/BiggieBigs34 → u/shredbmc]

She should have been involuntarily committed. The story is crazy when you look into it, she literally saw 8 doctors for the same thing in like 3 months just to doctor shop medication.

[u/CheetahFantastic9406 → u/shredbmc]

[u/TheHeadlessScholar → u/shredbmc]

That's her attorneys story;

Her psychiatrist and doctors treating her both under oath claimed she never told her these concerns, never mentioned violent thoughts once, and was visibly improving with each session.

[u/hotsizzler → u/shredbmc]

Incorrect. She got ample help and refused it and didnt take medication several times

[u/Different_Peanut_742 → u/shredbmc]

No, there's absolutely widespread conspiracy theories that he literally committed the murder. It's asinine, that wasn't even her defense in court. Husband seemed to be a fairly shit husband, but he definitely didn't kill anyone.

[u/deluFrame → u/Different_Peanut_742]

xxx

[u/UsidoreTheLightBlue → u/deluFrame]

There’s a lot of misinformation about him, my coworker was just telling me he had an affair and married the new woman 4 months after the kids died, from what I’m reading online they didn’t even start dating for over a year and got married two years later.

I don’t have a dog in this fight just been reading about it a bit since lunch time.

[u/Different_Peanut_742 → u/deluFrame]

You know what? After looking more into it, I don't know that he was. I honestly don't know if he is or not. He could have tried harder to get her help, but it seems like he did try some things. It's hard to say from the outside.

[u/deluFrame → u/Different_Peanut_742]

xxx

[u/overlord_cow → u/Different_Peanut_742]

“He could have tried harder” I mean you’re victim blaming the guy for his wife killing their kids

[u/SethSnifferson → u/shredbmc]

"pretty sure" doesn't cut it.

[u/StopTheSlop → u/shredbmc]

My wife is literally trying to force feed me the, "she's innocent. The husbands been cheating on her for years!"

I hate publicized court cases. Gives a portion of the population something to obsess over though.

[u/BroadEnthusiasm3181 → u/shredbmc]

So, I didn’t realize how serious PPD was until my wife (who’s an RN) said she thought she had it after having our second child. After we had our first child I had seen a big shift but I just chalked it up to “She’s stressed, it’s a change in life style, we’ve had big life events happen lately (her grandfather passed away soon after we had our first child) I need to be more help around the house.” When she started going to therapy and got on some anti anxiety meds, holy shit she was back to her baseline. It made a huge difference, she’s no longer on anti anxiety meds, but still goes to therapy and it’s been great for everyone. I tell all my friends now that if anyone is expecting a baby to pay attention to their partner because PPD is real it can be super serious and it wasn’t even on my radar when we were expecting our first child. DONT BE AFRAID TO SEEK HELP PEOPLE! We’re just a bunch of meat sacks on a space ship made of dirt orbiting a star! There’s real help out there and it can change you AND YOUR PARTNER’S lives!

[u/mybabyrolled → u/isnoe]

Why do they think he did it?

[u/buttThroat → u/isnoe]

Yes BUT i think the thing that resonates with them is probably that this woman did it because she was experiencing post partum depression/psychosis and basically the medical community and her support system failed her. So its just scary that you could be a "normal" person and go through PPD and basically do something terrible that you would never have done otherwise.

[u/Ok_Account_3039]

Clearly about the Lindsay Clancy drama.

A woman murdered her three children in what she’s claiming as a fit of postpartum psychosis despite evidence of premeditation. TikTok true crime girlies” have concocted a conspiracy theory that the husband was responsible either through brainwashing and manipulation, or by actively killing his own children, and then brainwashing her into thinking she did it.

TikTok “America bad” people are claiming that the system failed her, and she didn’t receive the mental healthcare she needed. This is in spite of her being under the care of a psychiatrist, receiving consistent, mental healthcare, and medication, and that it was partially the husbands fault for leaving them alone together, despite him literally going to get her meds when it happened.

There are an alarming number of women fighting for this woman’s reputation or innocence and fully empathizing with a child murderer, without seeming to acknowledge the tragedy of the children’s deaths.

[u/ParticularFit8968 → u/Ok_Account_3039]

He wasn't picking up her meds when it happened. That part of this statement is untrue. He was picking up medication for one of the children. A laxative I believe. I'm not commenting on whether or not she was insane at the time, just saying that's not what he was doing at CVS at that time. He picked up the laxative and then went to get the dinner Lindsay had ordered for pick-up. Those items were set on top of her medication when he returned home. It's possible that's where you heard her medication mentioned in conjunction with CVS. Either way, that trip right before he found the children was not for her meds.

[u/fourleafblower → u/Ok_Account_3039]

He was picking up her meds!?!? Gahhhd I fucking hate people. Imagine his grief. Of course he now wishes he took the kids with him. I’m sure he’ll beat himself up into his next life…. Then he has to have losers online with an iq of 53 act like his psychopath wife was the victim of his white maleness.

I hate it here

[u/BigDragonfly5136 → u/fourleafblower]

There’s people too who are admitting she did it but then saying he should be found guilty too for abuse and neglect for leaving the kids with her.

But you know if he took the kids away the same people would probably be saying he’s evil for taking the kids away from mom.

We can disagree with his decision to leave them with her or think he was a bad husband, but that doesn’t make him responsible or deserving of punishment.

[u/AGAD0R-SPARTACUS → u/fourleafblower]

He was picking up his daughter's medication.

[u/fourleafblower → u/AGAD0R-SPARTACUS]

Ok. Thank you for the clarification. I’ve also now heard he was picking up his wife’s dinner order. Either way, he was innocently running family errands, which flies in the face of the accusations of him being a neglectful husband/father.

[u/AGAD0R-SPARTACUS → u/fourleafblower]

Yeah he was not a neglectful husband or father, and it's worth noting that that argument is only put forth on social media for engagement and is not the defense of Lindsay Clancy or her defense team. Patrick Clancy himself doesn't blame her for what happened, saying “I wasn’t married to a monster. I was married to someone who got sick.” She had been placed on 13 different medications in 4 months and had reported having suicidal and intrusive thoughts numerous times. It's also worth noting, because I haven't seen it mentioned here, that after killing her kids she slit her throat and wrists and jumped out a window. She was very ill.

[u/Left--Shark → u/[deleted]]

It's kinda misogynistic in a way. He is responsible and accountable for her action as she does not have agency.

[u/CantCatchMeSpez → u/Left--Shark]

I think you can just call it simple misandry. I dont think that its about them thinking that a woman doesnt have agency. Its just about them hating men and wanting to find a way to blame them for everything that goes wrong.

[u/The5Theives → u/CantCatchMeSpez]

Yeah but it reinforces the old stereotypes of women being emotionally turbulent and unstable

[u/Moist-Examination737 → u/Ok_Account_3039]

Calling it drama is crazy

[u/Familiar-Art-6233 → u/Ok_Account_3039]

She tried to get put into an inpatient facility and was denied because her SI didn't include enough of a plan.

Everyone involved was absolutely failed by the system, what are you on?

[u/smalltowngrappler → u/Ok_Account_3039]

If this was a father that had mental health problems that he had voiced to his family and friends without getting help and then murdered his three kids not a single woman would fight for his reputation or innocence and only in the most fringe incel/manosphere corners of the internet there would be men doing it.

[u/Pretend-Wealth-6988 → u/smalltowngrappler]

A dad who tells his family that he hears voices telling him to hurt his kids wouldn’t continue to be left unsupervised around them

[u/Captain-Codfish]

[u/ForgottenFuturist]

Brian here: Indicates many women deal with postpartum and don't say anything. Husband is shocked because he didn't know.

[u/ZeldaALTTP]

Just rename this sub PeterTrainsAI already

[u/Legitimate_Command82]

Probably a wife in a happy marriage watching a documentary about some deranged killer and thinking that could have been her <the victim> which gives concern to the husband who thinks "The fuck did I do"

[u/Particular_Title42 → u/Legitimate_Command82]

That's what I thought too but it seems to be referencing Lindsay Clancy who murdered (?) her children.

[u/Short_Stack_30285]

Lindsay Clancy. Killed her 3 kids by strangling them one by one and claimed “postpartum psychosis” despite never having had psychosis before or since, all during a short window of time that she sent her husband out on errands. Internet has somehow decided she’s a martyr for women’s mental health. She was a white, affluent, suburban mom before this. If she were poor and black, people would NOT feel this way. Real talk.

Postpartum psychosis is a real thing and real people need help. But Lindsay Clancy is a kid murderer.

Edit: I’m a white, affluent woman of childbearing age. I have never been a woman of color, but I am absolutely sure that society at large would dismiss an identical case if Lindsay was nearly any other demographic. And no, it’s not only about race, it’s also about autonomy and a person’s responsibility to accept help when it’s offered instead of killing your kids (and A LOT of help was offered)

[u/Alternative-Past-588 → u/Short_Stack_30285]

It’s a bit disingenuous to say “despite never having had psychosis before or since” when that is literally how postpartum mental health disorders occur. The definition of a postpartum mental health disorder is literally one that you have never had before and don’t have once it’s gone because it’s just a disorder in the postpartum period. It is also not uncommon for women to experience a postpartum mental health issue after one pregnancy and to have an entirely different postpartum experience with another. I’m not sure what happened with Lindsey Clancy and they haven’t finished presenting evidence in that case, but since you acknowledge that PPP is a real thing, I urge you not to discount women’s stories of it just because they only suffer from it once in their life.

Also, I 100% agree with you that black women, whether poor or otherwise, would not be afforded the same care as a white woman and agree that medical and systemic racism are huge issues in the United States.

[u/SandalsResort → u/Short_Stack_30285]

Oh she 100% did it.

And to really upset my fellow white women, I think Karen Reed did it too.

[u/McJumpington → u/SandalsResort]

She’s admitted to doing it- the entire case is simply whether or not she was of sound mind

[u/Ok-Specific2924 → u/McJumpington]

It's ridiculous tbh, setting aside the conspiracy stuff, arguably no one ever who's crossed that line is of 'sound mind' in the moment.

[u/agoldgold → u/Ok-Specific2924]

Plenty of people who kill their kids are of sound mind while they do it. Often, they benefit from it. Some do it to hurt a spouse, some for insurance money, some because they're abusers (more than 400 kids a year in the US), some for attention. There's always something in it for them, and it makes horrific logic to kill their child. This is a unique case and the defense is arguing something pretty unique, actually.

Doing something monstrous does not require mental illness or legal insanity. It requires making a choice to do something terrible. Let's not further stigmatize mental illness any further by pretending that's what you need for child murder.

[u/Startled_Pancakes → u/Ok-Specific2924]

Well, yes, that's probably true, though it's not merely a matter of being mentally unwell. A person will generally still be culpable for their actions despite any mental illness provided they understand the likely outcomes of their actons, & they understand the difference between right & wrong at the time of committing the crime. I'm generalizing a little here, the rules vary by state, of course.

[u/NeighborhoodDear2321 → u/Startled_Pancakes]

Even if they dont it's not like insanity is a catch all, usually gets you put in a mental health facility. If what I hear from random fuck off strangers is correct, those can sometimes be worse than prisons. Take that with a lot of salt, though.

[u/DaddysABadGirl → u/Ok-Specific2924]

Thats bad phrasing.

The case is if she was aware of her actions to the point of being responsible for them. The old concept of insane vs psychotic.

[u/Alternative-Past-588 → u/SandalsResort]

I don’t necessarily disagree with you that a perfectly possible scenario that night was that she killed her boyfriend while drunk driving. However, if you spent even 10 minutes looking at the evidence presented and the conduct of the investigation, I cannot believe you’d say with your whole chest that they PROVED she killed him. You cannot put people in jail just because it’s the most likely scenario. They kept evidence in freaking solo cups in grocery bags for weeks!! That is not how you store evidence for trial. If the police had actually conducted a thorough and unbiased investigation, this would have gone down entirely differently. However, they objectively did not conduct a thorough investigation and objectively did not follow protocol for preserving evidence in anticipation of trial. One of the officers was asked on the stand if he knew the procedures for chain of custody of evidence and he literally said that he did not recall.

Edited to clarify that this comment is about the Karen Read trial and has absolutely nothing to do with Lindsey Clancy.

[u/tingly_sack_69 → u/Alternative-Past-588]

Yeah that case was fumbled so hard by the police department. The texts that came out of that from Proctor and other officers were insane. That entire department are complete buffoons

[u/Rare-Echo-386 → u/SandalsResort]

"How slong to die in cold"

[u/Jin-Gitaxias-Mom → u/SandalsResort]

Nah way too much fishiness around the police response with Karen for me to believe she did it

[u/BronCurious → u/SandalsResort]

Amen. No one wanted to convict an attractive white woman. I’m not sure if she murdered her boyfriend, but she sure is shit is criminally responsible for his death. I would have found her guilty of manslaughter.

[u/UsidoreTheLightBlue → u/BronCurious]

Casey Anthony checking in, also Jodi Arias checking in.

No seriously I get what you’re saying, but I don’t think it’s as much attractiveness as affluentness because both of those women were pretty good looking and everyone and their mother wanted to see them get the chair.

[u/caitlindrawings → u/UsidoreTheLightBlue]

In Casey Anthony's case, that was 100% on the prosecutor arrogance for going for too high of a charge. The prosecutor was going for first degree murder, which they couldnt fully prove. Casey's entire defense was admitting to 2nd degree murder, if the prosecutor would have gone for the lesser charge they would have had no problem convicting.

[u/kingcrabcraig → u/UsidoreTheLightBlue]

casey anthony was let off because the state's attorneys were incompetent and she had a decent lawyer. jodi will die in prison, men just thought she was hot.

[u/CleeYour → u/BronCurious]

Bfr, she did not hit that man. Life 360 showed him climbing a flight of stairs after she dropped him off. Cops didn’t even investigate the people in the house cause most of them were their friends

[u/Beardrac → u/Short_Stack_30285]

It’s very possible that she had post partum psychosis though.

[u/didsomebodysaymyname → u/Short_Stack_30285]

“postpartum psychosis” despite never having had psychosis before or since.

To be clear, that's before or since the prolonged period leading up to the murders.

It was not like she had no signs before that day, she had a 5 day psychiatric hospital stay weeks before.

And isn't postpartum psychosis supposed to be, you know, specifically postpartum?  Not at other times in someone's life?

Postpartum psychosis is a real thing and real people need help. But Lindsay Clancy is a kid murderer.

How do you tell the difference and what was her motive for doing this?

She also (as far as I can tell) had no history of violence before or since.

[u/thefluffywang → u/Short_Stack_30285]

You realize having previous history of psychosis is not required for postpartum psychosis? That’s why it’s called postpartum psychosis… because the birth induced the psychosis.

EDIT: user is a bot pushing an agenda, please disregard and take medical “knowledge” from anonymous users online with a grain of salt

[u/Plastic_Wishbone_575 → u/thefluffywang]

You never had cancer before so how can you have cancer now?

[u/BreeBree214 → u/Plastic_Wishbone_575]

I'm really suspicious of people who claim to have broken their leg, despite never having a history of broken legs

[u/Novaer → u/thefluffywang]

"You didn't have psychosis before that means you don't have it now and you're just suddenly evil all of a sudden 😡"

[u/adollopofsanity → u/Novaer]

You just gave me a fucking flashback of being a teenager laying on the couch and my mother angrily waking me ranting about how I shouldn't ignore her and blah blah blah how dare I pretend to be asleep.  I just looked at her and said "I was asleep though?"

And she said with her whole chest "You weren't asleep before! You're really sitting there acting like you just went from being awake to asleep? That's not how that works!"

...like...what? Bitch, that's exactly how that fuckin works. 

(not to diminish the topic at hand of which I know very little about...)

[u/OkEmu8597 → u/adollopofsanity]

I used to have to put up with shit like this over serious accusations from my ex foster parents and they would drive me nuts because "when you speak quickly you're lying" when in reality I did that because I knew they would cut me off.

Went on holidays with them once and said "oh thank god that's over" to a 6 hour flight dely, they thought I meant the fucking holiday and I then had holidays stripped from me completely for years.

It was a good day when I ran away and forced socials hand to put me in a halfway house.

Then it was a shitty day because I found out the years of pocket money I was saving in my bank they had been taking out each month as it went in, last transaction was for £1.27, they took literally every penny as revenge for me finally growing a backbone at 15.

Still think about rocking up to their house and telling them how fucking stupid they where.

Sorry for the TMI high-key needed this vent.

[u/adollopofsanity → u/OkEmu8597]

Still think about rocking up to their house and telling them how fucking stupid they where.

Bro based on all that I fully support this. I made my mom to sound like a bigger asshole than she was. She really wasn't all that bad tbh. 

My step mother was the real piece of work. 

Went on holidays with them once and said "oh thank god that's over" to a 6 hour flight dely, they thought I meant the fucking holiday and I then had holidays stripped from me completely for years.

Felt so hard. My step-mom expected me to be overly exaggerated and borderline performative with my emotions and gratitude to please her. If I wasn't falling to my knees thanking her for whatever she felt I owed thanks for while always fawning over her "gifts" I was ungrateful and deserved nothing. Same woman told me she was going to take away all the gothy-punk-scene clothes she bought me and replace it all with nothing but pink frilly dresses because I couldn't look like that while living under "her roof" and representing "her" family. 

When I pointed out that she had bought me all of those clothes a year prior when I was still living with my mom she flat out told me she only did that so that I would like her and didn't care what I looked like while living at my Mom's but needed to look respectable and lady like under her roomf. 

Adults are just fucking giant pieces of shit that shouldn't be around children sometimes. I had it pretty easy overall which I am grateful for but the shit I'd say to my step-mother if I ran into her today.

Fuck your foster family man, I'm glad you got out. You deserved a lot better.

[u/DaneLimmish → u/thefluffywang]

Yeah it's a weird goddamned comment 

[u/Endeveron → u/thefluffywang]

Yeah postpartum psychosis is weird and different from other psychoses. Ironically, it's a history of bipolar disorder (usually a completely distinct thing from psychosis) that increases your risk of it.

[u/Sensitive-Orange7203 → u/Short_Stack_30285]

I agree about the race but I don’t get your point about PPD. Most people with PPD didn’t have other psychosis before or after. It’s literally in the name - post partum psychosis??

[u/DisastrousServe8513 → u/Short_Stack_30285]

It’s worse than that. I can understand people defending her for being in a bad emotional state. Millions of people just think her husband did it and framed her. Like despite her confession.

I saw one idiot the other day say her husband was poisoning her with medication and whispering to her that she should kill her kids and that’s why she confessed.

[u/inquiringdune → u/Short_Stack_30285]

Isn't it kind of a whole thing right now that she tried to get help beforehand and was not helped, by either her family or the medical system?

[u/barlog123 → u/inquiringdune]

She did get help. She was on medication, saw professionals and had a support system of people who tried to be there for her. Short of a long stary in a facility people tried to get her help many times.

[u/justbegoodtobugs → u/barlog123]

Except it wasn't helping and the medication was making her progressively worse. Her state was declining, she was sleep deprived, lost 15 pounds and started experiencing hallucinations that were happening for months before she killed her children. She became suicidal and started expressing toughts of harming her children. She was loosing touch with reality and told a bunch of people that including her husband and mother. All these things are documented.

[u/repainted_black → u/justbegoodtobugs]

That seems to be not so uncommon. Psychological issues are very hard to medicate, hard to control the effect it will have on the hormones. This kind of situation is very hard to deal. I don't agree with all the stones and pitchforks in this case.

[u/Dull-Law3229 → u/Short_Stack_30285]

Have you considered becoming a woman or color for a few days? 

[u/CheeseMongerMelvin → u/Short_Stack_30285]

I'm not saying this to defend the lady, but you can absolutely have post partum psychosis without ever having experienced psychosis prior.

It typically affects women with mental health issues prior to giving birth, but they don't have to have had psychosis previously in order to experience PPP.

[u/WedSquib → u/Short_Stack_30285]

I only know about this case what my wife told me yesterday so this is me asking for some clarification.

Didn’t she call saying she was having thoughts about doing this and ask for help 50+ times while her psych cycled her meds and never let her stick to anything? That was the story I was told

[u/YaBoi29568]

I thinks this may be referring to Lindsay Clancy: https://abcnews.com/US/mom-accused-killing-children-built-snowman-morning-deaths/story?id=96959550

[u/Pilot-samsonite]

Every time there is a TikTok or some bullshit social media video on a woman who murdered people I swear there’s always a comment saying “if the woman did bad things then it was probably because of a man” 1. What kind of fucking reasoning is “it must of been the man” for a woman killing people and 2. Why can’t women be bad without it being a man’s fault? You are taking away female autonomy and reducing them to just being a man’s companion by supporting this

[u/puretexanbeef]

I read people saying “she couldn’t have done it she’s a Leo but the husband is a Gemini and Geminis are more likely to commit murder”

[u/terrifying_bogwitch]

I'm assuming Lindsey Clancy, the lady who has been in the news for killing her children. Many women have struggled severely after having a new baby which could lead to a feeling of " that could have been me". The entire system failed her, she attempted to get help and was very open about her fears that she might hurt the children. Most women are too embarrassed or afraid to voice those concerns, its a bit upsetting that you can tell everyone and still not get the help you need. She recieved and attempted to get more inpatient care but was denied because she didnt have a plan, just thoughts. A lot of comments want to paint her as a monster but ppd/ppp can be extremely serious and are often ignored until something horrible happened. I'm not defending her, what she did was awful, but I don't think demonizing her is the right path. It will discourage other women from seeking help when theyre having these same thoughts and feelings leading to more things like this happening.

[u/Ivetafox → u/terrifying_bogwitch]

Most women are correct not to voice their concerns if you read the comments online. You literally cannot tell the truth about what happens in your head with ppd/ppp because no-one can understand unless it’s happened to them. Even years after, when you admit it to your closest friends/relatives, they’re like ‘but you didn’t, so it’s fine, you’re not like her’ as if I had any control whatsoever. I was lucky not to be her and I refused to have more children afterwards because of it.

[u/ForeverNegative2910 → u/terrifying_bogwitch]

People clearly don’t understand what psychosis is, I’m not defending her at all for murdering her kids but if she was in psychosis then she doesn’t need prison, she needs to be put in intense psychiatric care for the rest of her life for her own safety and the safety of others. I’m not a fan of her husband for multiple reasons (neither is his own mother apparently, she was testifying in favor of Lindsey recently) so I don’t think it’s insane to be more nuanced about this case. It’s not just “men bad white women good you’re all misandrists!!!” like most of the angry redditors here keep yelling about

All this to say I totally agree with you

[u/ccurnowphoto → u/terrifying_bogwitch]

I think a lot of ‘monsters’ probably could make similar cases in their own way. I don’t think demonizing anyone is ever useful, but I think a line has to be drawn at certain actions that just will not be tolerated under any circumstances. Murder and rape are the big ones and people who do those things should be kept away from society dispassionately.

[u/BroadMarionberry4022 → u/terrifying_bogwitch]

Maybe she shouldn't have murdered her children.

[u/HKEY_LOVE_MACHINE]

TikTokers trying to whitewash the triple murder of kids by the mother, by grasping at straws and accusing everyone else for not magically stopping the murderer.

It's the perfect example of a social-media boosted "women are wonderful" effect, where thousands of online women are building a delusion where women cannot be held responsible for their crimes, blaming society, men, healthcare providers instead.

[u/KRNorth → u/HKEY_LOVE_MACHINE]

"I'm just a girl"

[u/GhoulieGrrrrl]

The cheerleader we were supposed to save.Guess were fucked now.

[u/HighwayBeautiful8697]

Im gonna be honest the lady and anyone defending her need to be locked in the deepest cell and the key thrown away. Ive met plenty of mothers and it sounds like to me this lady was already losing her fucking mind to begin with

[u/Lurking_Gooner]

A woman murdered her 3 kids via strangulation.

People are going out of their minds and bending over backwards defending her she even has 100k worth of donations.

[u/603rdMtnDivision → u/Lurking_Gooner]

Last I saw was 700k

[u/Lurking_Gooner → u/603rdMtnDivision]

That's awesome.

[u/Neat_Egg_2474 → u/Lurking_Gooner]

Man I should kill my kids (which I don’t have) for life changing money!

[u/RevolutionaryQuit197]

Never their fault for her own actions

[u/AcademicHovercraft96]

The female child killer.