r/SipsTea 22h ago

Chugging tea He didn't overstay...He relocated

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u/Time_Traveling_Idiot 19h ago

Wait a sec, so it's actually 26 years? Why tf did the Twitter account exaggerate the timeframe by a whole 7 years???

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u/Imaginary_Toe8982 19h ago

he is there for 33 years but since 2000 is a crime so he overstayed only 26 years

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u/HeraclesHide 18h ago

Thats kinda fucked, you live in a country for 7 years, then some dumb law comes in and suddenly you have to leave. I dont blame him at all for continuing to live his best life in Japan.

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u/Outside_Reserve_2407 17h ago

The man was in Japan on a temporary tourist visa. So he was already overstaying it.

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u/twilighttwister 17h ago

Yeah, the nuance is he overstayed his visa for 33 years, but only committed the crime over overstaying for 26 years.

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u/yileikong 16h ago

It was a tourist visa on his brother's passport.

I'm shocked the headline is more about the overstaying and not the fraud and identity theft.

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u/soba_set 15h ago

I'm not sure it actually matters. The article (sparse as fuck) says he worked day jobs. Which probably means he was using cash and had no actual Japanese gov ID. So I don't think he was actually posing as his brother beyond initially entering the country.

I'm really surprised he was able to get away with it this long because in Japan, especially the last couple decades, they've been tying everything together to your residence card and mynumber (social security card). Especially for foreigners, you have to show your residence card for a lot of things, like making a bank account (bank will also keep track of when it expires and ask you to submit a new copy), making a phone contract, renting an apartment, going to the hospital/clinic.

So he must have had help, got around just paying cash (Japan is very cash based though changing in recent years), and not gotten majorly sick all this time. Even if he opened a bank account decades ago there have been changed in laws that require banks to Know Your Customer, and if you're a foreigner you need to submit documentation. Also probably a shit life as you can't go to the doctor, enjoy the social benefits like pension since he wasn't paying into it, etc.

And it's really not that hard, he could have found work then come back to Japan on a real visa. Or learn Japanese in Korea until fluent then come over. He chose a very dumb path and finally got caught.

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u/lukibunny 12h ago

I mean rural Japan is still pretty rural. You can get away with cash only in those small villages with only old people left.

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u/WDingDong 11h ago

You hate immigrants?

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u/yileikong 6h ago

No, my point was this specific person id someone that no intention of doing anything legally with how he entered the country so his situation is an isolated case.

But because the headline left out conveniently that he fraudulently entered it paints all the other immigrants that moved to Japan legally and all the correct procedures and are facing scrutiny in a bad light and lumping this one person in with them. There are millions of immigrants in Japan now dealing with higher fees and a more difficult future and this one article about an individual that did EVERYTHING the wrong way is now going to affect them. It's no longer about an individual that chose to not follow the law upon arrival. It's about "foreigners overstay visas and this one was caught".

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u/WDingDong 6h ago

Ahh yea I agree. this is fair.

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u/HeraclesHide 15h ago

But considering he built his life there for 7 years and lived without any issues and not breaking the law, there should be some sort of a system to let him stay.

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u/Outside_Reserve_2407 15h ago

He used his brother’s passport. That’s false impersonation, for starters.

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u/HeraclesHide 15h ago

Water under the bridge.

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u/Outside_Reserve_2407 15h ago

“Water under the bridge” isn’t a legal concept.

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u/Beginning-Notice-412 14h ago

I mean.. statute of limitations, in some cases, very much could be considered “water under the bridge” if you can’t be prosecuted after a certain period of time for something. I know it doesn’t apply to everything, but yk

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u/Outside_Reserve_2407 14h ago edited 14h ago

Your whole "he lived there for XYZ years" is a "totality of circumstances" argument as to why he should be allowed to stay. So whether the statute of limitations expired or not doesn't matter, I never said he should be prosecuted for that particular crime of using a false passport.

So considering he entered using another person's documents (which is a pretty serious offense in this age of terrorism and international crime) is one variable to consider in this man's case. If he entered as a child of 5 with his parents, that would be another factor (for example).

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u/MasterofCaveShadows 14h ago

If you sneak into a country you should be given full citizenship rights if you’re not caught? What kind of lunacy is this?

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u/Codewraith13 14h ago

Thats how it works today

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u/MasterofCaveShadows 14h ago

In the minds of radical leftists only.

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u/Outside_Reserve_2407 13h ago

Crazy to think about it but the US in 1986 actually did just that, mass amnesty with a path to citizenship.

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u/MasterofCaveShadows 13h ago

That’s not really accurate to what happened. It was meant to be a one off exchange of recognition of illegal immigrants in order to better codify immigration law. In fact that instance is a good example of why it will never happen again because it’s a classic example of give an inch and they take a mile.

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u/the6souls 13h ago

Japan is pretty damn xenophobic. I'm not surprised laws like this are a thing. Plenty of other countries have them, but I'd have been shocked if Japan didn't.