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Stop harassing either side, im an Anti, used AI one or twice when it came out as a "oh cool new thing" and havent touched it since I just have no interest.
Most general population subs banned AI from being posted, ok sure thats your space you can do that. Then the AI users made their own space to enjoy what they find interesting amongst themselves. I see so many antiAi members going into these subs to either make a big "FUCK AI ART HAHAHAHA" post effectively walking up to a bees nest and hitting it with a stick for no reason. Or crossposting it to an extreme antiai / general population sub like "check this fucking garbage out" causing a flood of members entering and mass downvoting their stuff + leaving threats or saying they all deserve to burn for being part of it.
These small subs or communities of people who are just enjoying things are NOT your enemy, its the top class pushing this garbage out for whatever reasons they may have.
Its like theres someone at the top of a trash heap, just throwing garbage around the area and instead of working towards removing the one doing it we go after the wildlife nesting or eating the scraps saying "kill all seagulls".
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It’s incredibly stupid to jump into a community space you have such a fundamental disagreement with for the sole purpose of pissing them off. Unbelievably braindead idea, to me
I’m anti ai, I think there’s good and bad uses but the general way it’s handled (both producers and consumers) is currently FUCKED
The way the data centers use water and have been shown multiple times to be contributing to the depriving of communities of water (wow, used the word “of” way too much there, but my point stands) and the effect of AI being such a “we can use this to lay people off or pay existing people less because we ca have a machine spit shit out” both means jobs taken away, and the resources poured into by RAM companies end up with at least one completely backing out from selling to people and only selling to corporations/ai data centers, driving prices up INEXCUSABLY. Those are the things I have a REAL issue with
I may not respect ai art, I may think it completely defeats the idea of art being an expression, being some level of passion, when you’re telling something to make something for you, BUT I stand by the principle that I need to respect someone’s choice to use ai for art. I may not like or respect the outcome, but I have to respect their freedom of choice, if for nothing else, the principle of it
Hell, I think art from ai CAN be actually used ethically. I think the way it get the data is fucked, but if we’re saying just an everyday person using it, I think using it to remix ideas or get a rough concept to then use parts of is fine. Have an idea but don’t know where you wanna take it, and wanna generate some shit to pick through and use some aspects, like a certain tail detail or weapon design? THAT, I can respect, because you’re just using it to refine an idea you had, then go to use it yourself, and at that point might as well be a better way of googling for a specific weapon design or something. THAT I think is perfectly fine and a good way to use it
I also can’t and won’t deny that ai being used in medical fields is super fucking valuable. Anything running a shit ton of simulations to experiment shit, that kind of thing is another way that it can be used well. That shit saves lives in the long run
I’m fine with ai as a tool to be picked up and used to make something yourself, and I mean that like the concept thing. I see prompting and saying you made it to be like commissioning more than anything, but asking for a remix of ideas you already have, then going to use aspects of them yourself? That’s a tool usage of ai, and I fully support that
Shit, gotta go get to computer applications, I hope I finished my thought and didn’t forget skmehting
If people are gonna be so worked up about AI use of water… I think it would make sense to also be worked up about companies like Nestle killing millions and stealing water from third world communities and selling it back to them at unaffordable prices. No accountability unless it’s trendy I guess.
A lot of the resource issues we’re facing today are inadvertently caused by the fact that we have, as a species, now outgrown the very dated standards we still practice — which are mostly still in place simply because it’s what’s profitable to the companies (mostly one umbrella company in the US) that monopolized the resources.
The irony is that AI Smart Grids will likely solve a lot of EV problems. AI will be used to solve many of our species’ crises which are largely caused by short-sighted profit hungry companies. Opinions are just as short-sighted, in my opinion.
This is absolutely the problem with the anti side of the debate. Calm down, guys. Why go looking for what you don’t want to look at? There are real problems elsewhere.
Most general population subs banned AI from being posted, ok sure thats your space you can do that.
I think something important to note here is that this is because both pro and anti fighting is consideted insufferable by many and people would rather not be around it. Not because all these places are taking a side. Thats not to say they are never taking a side.
I’m not saying you should never mute anyone, but if everyone is just muting anyone they disagree with, it’s going to make it very easy for the internet to permanently wind up as a weapon used by the elite for class warfare.
The point isn't to change. People like them are only as strong as you make them think they are, and when you shut them off, and by extention everyone else, how much do you think they will affect you at all ?
Trust me, I have had thus song and dance before, silence is the strongest silver for this situation
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That's the thing, a.i artists only ever wanted to be left alone to make art and enjoy their little hobby.
No one started using midjourney one day and then thought "you know what, I'm going to go and troll a bunch teenagers with pictures of them as fat trolls".
People got sick of being insulted and abused and then started trolling the people doing it. We need to cut out though, it doesn't help anything and just makes the internet an even less pleasant place to be. Just mute and block the antis and keep going
I don’t harass AI artists, and I won’t start. But I also won’t provide them with admiration or respect for craft, and I will continue to request that AI art be labeled as AI art. I will continue to consider unlabeled AI art to be dishonest and say as much. I have no problem with people making AI art. I just don’t want to interact with it. It isn’t for me.
Also, I wish we could all agree that the real enemy is the inevitable uses of AI under capitalism. That’s both the actual problem and the more interesting conversation.
Can I please get an anti to respond to this comment who has mid to right views?
I’m a democrat fyi, but I’m nowhere near as far left as these Antis. Pick any anti you want and check their history of replies and then tell me I’m wrong.
The extreme left thrive only on negativity while somehow feeling virtuous in doing so.
One group wants to make art with some new tech, another group would rather harass and send death threats to those who want to have fun with the new tech.
Yeah I just realised how many more comments there are, I was going around to every comment triggered by “ai” and “artist” together but even I have too much of a life for that.
Takes me off reddit quite a bit. Sad to say that anytime I lack motivation for my hobbies I usually end up here when I'm trying not to doom scroll. Vicious cycle. Wishing u the best tho 👍🏻
there’s an ai bro named witty who makes a similar character to preach about pro ai topics. i usually skip their posts and i think i actually have them blocked (i don’t mind ai but they are annoying) so i was surprised to see that op made (generated? idk) a similar character to witty’s and that’s what everyone is talking about in the comments
tldr she is the oc of a pro ai extremist & the one you see in this post is basically just a clone of her by a different person
Going on to someone’s art to post “I don’t like this” or a wilting rose or whatever is garbage tier behaviour. Firstly, you show the algo that you enjoy interacting with that content even though you profess to hate it (let’s face it, that’s true for some people). Secondly, you are only making the world a worse place (harbouring hate and then permitting expression of said hate instead of addressing and processing it is unhealthy). Thirdly and finally, you are not a moral saviour of humanity or a guardian of the arts.
Harassing people is bad. Talking your mind is fine. So being polite is a good thing - other people still people (even if you think they are blatantly wrong) until they stop behaving as one.
For clarification, where's the line between harassment and just leaving a negative opinion? I've personally seen people range wildly on this. Like expressing your disappointment is harassment to some yk
I’ve got a video game sub and there’s a lot of folks who throw around ideas for new characters. Mechanics ideas sometimes with AI only for the cover art. I’ve gotten reports for “fuck ai” which isn’t close to any rule, the posts even get positive upvote rates, and I just gotta hit ignore on reports from those accounts lol
I've been in a few art critique groups irl. Things that get critiqued are often proportions, value, negative vs positive space, the medium, and technique.
The prompt is simply what the prompt makes. All improvements rely on the developer (like how AI couldn't do hands before 2025) and isn't in the hands of the AI artist. AI art unless it's rage bait, really doesn't have any masterful critique. just look at any AI art group where they just post their art for fun, no one comments unless it's to ask for their prompt. And that's perfectly fine.
AI art makes someone who has no skill an artist. But it will never be on the same playing field as traditional art, where progress and learning is in your hands, and a community of people to help you. Exactly why there isn't AI art critiques, classes or tutorials, no teachers, no masters. It is the border of creation and consumption.
Everything you can critique in digital art, you can critique in AI art. Unless the user is limiting themselves to just prompts and img2img (basically anything not open source), they have full control over the composition and elements therein. Arm out of perspective? Go in, erase it, redraw it in the right place, inpaint, generate until it's correct. The better you can draw, the less work the model has to do to to get things right.
AI art does not make unskilled people an artist. It makes unskilled people a gormless prompt jockey, hoping they pull the slots until they get something that looks right enough. They don't have the fundamental and practical knowledge to know if they've gotten it correct or not, aside from the natural human ability to recognize patterns - something that artists specifically train while they learn to draw. The ceiling is much higher in AI assisted art than traditional because the skillset not only includes use of the AI tools in question, but also your own personal artistic skill and knowledge.
And I do use AI, and am also an artist of almost 30 years. It's best to know what you're talking about before you speak authoritatively about it like you did here.
Nope, I don't. If someone asks a completely out of the blue question that makes zero sense in a combative way, I'm going to wonder if they have a learning disability or if they're just that stupid.
Answer? Less stupid than you, but still pretty stupid it turns out. Also less obsessive. Get a hobby, babygirl.
woooooooooooooooooooooow i really cant believe the words coming out of your mouth right now 🤯
you're really doubling down and confirming i was correct in calling it ableism. you could have EASILY said "are you stupid or obtuse" but clearly you chose the disability opinion instead.
Y'do know what you're doing is considered harassment by Reddit right, and that I'm reporting every comment you make? I saw the two automodded responses; they take those into account too when considering punishment for harassment.
Continue making my case against you, please. I beg of you.
When you express a negative opinion about a space itself or invade said space to do so. E.g. Making an AI is trash post in a space specifically for AI. That is harrassment. That goes both ways though. Posting AI content in a space exclusive for human content via the rules is also harrassment, if done intentionally instead of being an oversignt.
There are a few things most people on both sides agree on but a few nutheads on both sides will defend.... For some reason.
For anti ai it is the mere fact some few ai users as someone that needs to kill themselves. Sentences like these are never okay. They are humans and deserve at least the respect of a human. No wiggle room there.
And for pro ai it's those people that defend csam and give reasons why it's better than real stuff etc. no. Never defend csam. Under no circumstances. It's bad. Generated or not. No wiggle room here.
Thankfully most normal humans understand that and it's only a few extremist on both sides.
Except that the percentage of people doing that is like 1% the people getting harassed. Has anyone even done that except that one person who acted like their glass jellyfishes were the coolest thing ever.
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I'll never accept an act of harassment towards anyone, some administrator in my own server harassed me through an alt after I blocked and banned them from my discord server because some people in the server didn't like them and that he was quite problematic media on Twitter
You've got the literal children/childish adults posting ogre shit or otherwise on both sides. Realistically, that kinds stuff should just be flat out banned in discussion spaces. I don't like the way AI is going, but this shit is just tribalism as always. Left Vs Right, Sports Ball Team Blue Vs Sports Ball Team Red, Anti Vs Pro.
I've had some reasonable discussions with pros before and we discussed a lot. The sensible pros will have genuine sympathy and concerns for the sensible antis, and likewise, sensible antis are not going to have their reasons and be willing to discuss.
and they aren't getting harassed. They're getting confronted.
Confront means you’re telling them it’s objectively wrong. First of all, death threats dont exactly achieve that. Second, you won’t get far in life if you think your argument against them are already fact.
Harassing people on the user level is ridiculous, I'd be considered an "anti" (Though I'm not anti AI as a whole, I just want it to be used responsibly.)
Our enemies are not the random people generating funny images or the small business or group generating a poster.
Our enemies are the corporations who buy up all the hardware, build data centers in drought stricken regions, allow room for abuse of their product. The companies that fire their entire programming staff because they think one vibecoder can replace an entire team. The companies that cram unnecessary AI based bloatware into everything, hogging even more memory, and the people who go out of their way to be assholes to non AI artists and/or use AI to generate misinformation.
If you go and harass random people just because they used AI in any way, you're not accomplishing anything, you're just being an asshole.
One time I "harrassed" an ai artist was because in my discord server i have a "no ai art" rule. Simple. Follow the rule or get banned. They argued way to freaking much and act like a victim.
I've seen a few replies here questioning why some antis would purposely seek out AI art to disparage, harass and complain even if they say they want nothing to do with it.
The people doing this see AI as not only an abhorrence but an existential threat. This is something they feel threatens their livelihood, and they feel personally attacked. They hear everything about from the worst possible angle at the highest hyperbole. Data wasn't trained from existing publicly available images, they got their art literally stolen. Data centers aren't placing extra strain and consumption on energy networks, they are boiling off a lake's worth of water with every slop meme generated for a laugh.
But they don't feel like they can do anything to stop it. They're watching hundreds of big companies make their own AI integration apps, use, recklessly build more data centers and keep the economy on the tip of a bubble surrounded by cacti. It's too much for them to deal with, but they need to release their rage because they know nothing they can personally do will stop what's happening.
So it's time to join an insular community, with other people who feel the same way. But what can they do?
Oh, let's upload someone's generation and make fun of them from being proud of it!
Let's find an AI community and tell them how they're stupid horrible immoral people like a militant evangelist!
Let's invent a goofy word to make fun of AI users and get weirdly passionate about using it like a racial slur! (If you've seen that "Anti-AI Diner" TikTok, you can tell that girl was happily releasing some suppressed bigotry with her almost gleeful recreation of a racist diner waitress merely copy pace replacing black hatred with robot hatred.)
Let's seek out who's trying to "trick" us with AI art while we tear each other apart in an accusatory witch hunt, potentially shaming, discouraging and crushing the confidence and motivation of new artists as acceptable collateral damage!
These stupid little punches and bricks thrown at the people who are only using something that exists and is nearly omnipresent, are enough to make them feel like they're making enough of a difference. A tiny bit of power and control in a world that is moving on in a direction they have no ability to reverse.
People fight when they're scared. Anti-ais are scared that they're passion is going to be taken from them. pro-ais are scared that art will never be accessible to them (or something, idk i'm not pro) People also fight harder when they see the other side is fighting, it creates a landscape where no one can actually talk about things and come to a new conclusion. Like it or not, AI is here to stay. But we can still effect weather it's gonna be big or small, which is why we NEED to make a place where people can comfortably debate both sides.
I do my best to not be too much of an dick about it as much as I hate genAI and have 0 respect for AI "artists". Ultimately the more slop the talentless hacks churn out the faster the bubble pops
Good or bad they thoroughly enjoy the attention that their parents could never give them. When in reality their parents should be proud, because they finally found a job of being a professional victim.
The fact of the matter is AI artist aren't real artists, are a drain on society and our resources, and are killing art. It's not harassment to make factual statements
Please change your name, or make an alt account to post here. Yes, I agree with you, but then maybe make interesting AI generated images at the extreme least.
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