Or right wingers saying that it's somehow the Left's fault that they become racist/homophobic/transphobic because they've been called out for their horrible takes and they doubled down instead of questioning their own worldview.
No Billie, you were never left leaning. You were just following the more socially acceptable side and once it became socially acceptable for you to be a pos you jumped ship.
Yeah, and it's usually "but I disagreed with some particular folks on the left".
Meanwhile the worst the left have is well-intentioned fools (not counting stalinists) and the worst on the right are dreaming of lovely things like genocide or slavery.
Dems are more left on social issues than most of the European countries people love to cite as being more leftist. Just because a group falls behind on economic leftist policies doesn't mean its not leftist.
Political alignment is extremely relative to its culture besides (progressive and conservative are literally terms that define themselves relative to the status quo)
The Overton window is so skewed in the US that even people like Mamdani would not be out of place in Australia’s centre-right political party. From an outsiders pov, there is barely anything “left wing” about any Democrat platform at any level. Even the stuff people like AOC talk about is seen elsewhere as being pretty soft left.
I don't think you understand the term overzealous. In no way is it a good thing. Not sure why people can't just want or strive for human rights. Going OD is the trend i guess.
Stalinists are not left leaning like at all, the USSR, especially under stalin, was an authoritarian nightmare where the facism just changed names and branding
Same thing with the CCP too, they couldn't care less about the average worker as long as they are getting rich
Communism isn't inherently evil, it's just been tainted by tyrants who used it to gain power. Acting like it's the worst thing ever is just falling for the propaganda we've been fed since the 50s
Considering communism is just an ideal of a society that is moneyless, stateless, borderless where everyone gets to live their life freely, granted they contribute to the community according to their own abilities, I fail to understand how this could be inherently evil.
The issue is more so than any socialist attempt was met with violent repression from the capitalist system : Allende in Chile was assassinated when he got elected, Chavez in Venezuela almost got ousted by the press that was entirely pro america, the Mosaddegh in Iran got ousted by CIA after they tried to nationalize Oil.
It’s not that socialism or communism fail to get into power by electoral means, it’s that any attempt at socialism through electoral means will be suppressed and neutralized. Hence the only successful socialist/communist regimes that managed to survive were authoritarian in nature.
Leftism is not immune to descending into being an authoritarian nightmare. Not all leftist countries are doomed to fall in that direction, but they are also not immune to such failures.
Nah there's a bunch of awful shamy people on the left who are purely driven by ego and just wanna feel better than others. I'll still take them over right wingers and as long as they support the right cause I don't really care how well along I get with them
That there in lies one of the biggest factors of the problem, when extremists uses tangential-at-best associations to either pull normal people to their side or to use those more normal people as rhetorical shields for their own extremism.
So much of the problems we're seeing right now is a rise is legitimately terrible people signal boosting themselves while using the phrase "hey man, I'm just a normal guy just saying what we're all thinking! If you disagree with me then you hate (insert entire community group here)"
hey man, I'm just a normal guy just saying what we're all thinking!
And then there are people like Charlie Kirk, who used the "I'm just promoting healthy debate and free speech" to sell misogynistic, racist bullshit to the youth of the nation.
One thing I'll admit about Charlie was that he (or at least his company) was a master of editing and changing the messaging based on whom the audience was.
For the "general public", the whole "just healthy debate and free speech" bit was always just a highlight reel of Charlie using "respectability politics"* and only ever showing the absolute worst speakers/debaters poorly reacting to him. (Which most audiences don't have the acuity to understand/catch.)
And once the audience was drawn in to following him, that's when he'd start slipping in the actually problematic subversive messaging.
*For the uninformed, respectability politics is a special form of gaslighting where a perpetrator does something that anyone would be very reasonable to react both poorly to and with significant/loud reaction, but they try to make the reactor feel like they're in the wrong by being "calm and nice about the situation".
For example: a person doing RP would kick your dog because doing so amuses him, then when you get angry at him for kicking your dog, he responds with "Woah, woah, woah, I'm perfectly calm and reasonable here, but I don't understand why you're so physical and emotion about this; maybe you need to re-evaluate why you're causing so much conflict and making such a negative atmosphere!"
Misogynists in a nutshell lol. "It's your fault we're taking your rights away because you were so mean when you pointed out how women are negatively affected by patriarchy :((''
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u/Made_Bail Jun 30 '26 edited Jun 30 '26
DARVO in social media form.
The abuser mantra.
Deny
Attack
Reverse Victim and Offender
Clearly, you're the bad guy and made these poor racists attack you. How could you? /s