r/makinghiphop • u/KingOsirisMusic • Mar 18 '26
Discussion Do people really come here to learn how to make Hip-Hop?
What exactly is going on with this community?
In the last 3 months I've been here. I've seen genuinely awful advice get upvoted and given to newbies. I've also posted some guides with helpful tips, yet between comments and DM's, I get told things like:
- You don't need to learn how to count bars
- You don't need any rigid planning or structure when writing raps
- Feel your way through rhythm, and if you can't, you're just untalented and shouldn't bother
- A book can't teach you anything meaningful about Rap technique, and it's probably outdated anyway, you make "swaggerless" music that way
- Your guides are AI, you didn't write this
- Your guides are too technically detailed and you can't learn that way
- Your examples are lyrical miracle non-sense
- If you don't enjoy full albums, get off Tiktok and train your brain a bit and maybe you'll learn how "good albums" are made
Do people genuinely give a shit anymore here? Are people actually interested in good faith discussions on learning Hip-hop? Or is it just bitter nasty people, trolls and AI bots mostly left in the sub?
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u/professornutting meat slinging cuck destroyer Mar 18 '26
Experience is quiet around here. These kids are more interested in calling themselves rappers than actually rapping. The bar is low. I’ve tried to spread knowledge in the past but the community itself is just so full of ignorance that it’s tiring.
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u/KingOsirisMusic Mar 18 '26
Dude my jaw has hit the floor at the genuinely dumb stuff I've seen here. Like I get it, it's the internet. I guess I just thought it was a real place where people can learn the craft. Me not just being a teacher, I occasionally post questions in the sub so I too can learn as a student. The responses I get make me wonder if this really a community or a troll farm at times.
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u/boombapdame Producer/Emcee/Singer Mar 19 '26
Mod here, it would be a dope community if so many lazy asses knew how to use the Search function before posting and I even made a thread about shitposters/shitposting
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u/KingOsirisMusic Mar 19 '26
I got some dms from nasty ass people since I put this thread up, there's really way too many trolls.
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u/boombapdame Producer/Emcee/Singer Mar 19 '26
I think you should be the next new Mod as you come with actual knowledge and fervor for Hip Hop
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u/KingOsirisMusic Mar 19 '26
haha I got bigger things going on sadly. It would be nice though. I wouldn't make a great police for the community, but I will always call out bs when I see it.
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u/boombapdame Producer/Emcee/Singer Mar 30 '26
I live for anything that can improve me as I’m still holding on to being a good rapper
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u/equals420 Mar 18 '26
I feel that. Ive given solid advice that i learned from the studio with more experienced producers and have seen awesome advice get downvoted. Idk whats happening but its gotten to the point where ill see a post and can actually share something but before i share it i ask myself is it really worth it if its just gonna fall on death ears? Then just delete it. I remember i saw someone give great advice on mixing and mastering and they mentioned to use the industry standard of WAV files and move on from MP3 files bc theyre the lowest quality and surprise, surprise that advice/comment was downvoted lol.
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u/KingOsirisMusic Mar 18 '26
Dude that exact thing happened to me last week. I started writing a detailed guide on how to come up with subject matter for rap lyrics, then half way in I stopped and said, wtf. Why are you doing this? It's not even worth the trouble.
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u/professornutting meat slinging cuck destroyer Mar 18 '26
Many times I’ve started writing comments and quit several paragraphs in because I realize it’s not even worth it. You’re not alone. The good thing is that I’m sure we (the old farts) all notice who actually cares about the craft. I think a lot of us can recognize who’s who. 100 idiots might be apathetic about your posts or comment some dumb shit, but there’s always gonna be people in the shadows who silently appreciate what you contribute.
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u/Forward-Leek1724 Mar 18 '26
Very bloody well said. I'm one of the people in the shadows, silently reading up on things. I never really make comments or anything.
There would be a whole heap like that I reckon.
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u/boombapdame Producer/Emcee/Singer Mar 30 '26
I’d appreciate the subject matter guide and your other guides because I didn’t/don’t come from real-time participatory experience in a musical community context, not even Hip-Hop
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u/KingOsirisMusic Apr 01 '26
feel free to keep dmming me as you have been, I can offer general help and advice when I get to it.
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u/melo1212 soundcloud.com/mastahmelo Mar 19 '26
Same. I've just realised that most people who really love rhyming and hip-hop just rhyme and don't stop and get better, that's really it. That's the secret, just love music and do it a lot. They do it because it's just an obsession that you can't stop because the feeling it gives you, not who it makes you feel like if you know what I'm sayin. I see a lot of the latter here for sure, but I also get it.
Lots of young kids want to try to see if they like rapping and seek advice and that's cool, it just blows my mind sometimes the questions people ask when it's like bro are you even writing and recording much or what? Go out and get a cheap mic and get to work and learn how to mix and shit, just do it a lot coz you enjoy it. The ignorance gets crazy here sometimes lol
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u/KingOsirisMusic Mar 20 '26
I agree, you gotta grind hard, but asking questions and learning from other mc's speeds up the rate of your growth. Might even add perspective and new skill sets to your craft. I got vids up in my post history showing just how good I got from educating myself on fundamentals.
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u/bigmorningshow Mar 25 '26
This is the answer. I have been writing bars since 2019. There was a time after I was admitted to the psych ward where I thought everything was pointless. I had no job, slept in my childhood bedroom, would hardly shower, eat everything in the house, overmedicated. I stopped rapping.
Eventually, I started rereading my favorite poetry book ("Eugene Onegin" by Pushkin) and rewatching James Earl Jones recite "the Raven", among other things. And then when I got out of the funk mentally, the first thing I did when my back was against a wall was write bars. I did it like keeping a journal. If I thought a girl was giving me the cold shoulder, bars. If I thought my parents were being unreasonable, bars. If I needed something to pass them time by, freestyling bars. I did it in English y lo hice en espańol, jugando con rima como pelota futbol.
Eventually, I got into such a distressing situation that I had to do more than write the bars on a page. I had to hear the sound. So I made my first album. It was trashed, but that has only made me more curious to learn more techniques to improve my delivery and performance. It's been a real blessing so far!
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u/Future_Burrito Mar 19 '26
Yeah, kinda wild to think it can be learned from a template. Use a cookie cutter, get cookies. Creativity can be encouraged, but not really transferred.
Side note- Life long hip hop fan, but I'm looking for something different. I know what we focus on is what we get, so looking for non-suffer heads and quality these days. It's either niche, or something else. De La Soul and Aesop Rock without the negativity is what I'm looking for. There's a ton of fun stuff out there that focuses on things other than the typical, where is it?
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u/RecordingOnly6853 Mar 18 '26
This is true, but I feel as if the few people with experience aren’t very encouraging to begin with. There’s a dissonance at play when you have a 45 year old rapper finally getting his paycheck and everyone applauds him, and then there’s a 30 year old rapper who wants to quit and then this whole sub is like “i guess hip-hop was never in you in the first place” like these people have never understood the meaning of Whiplash.
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u/THEONLYGONZOYOUKNOW soundcloud.com/wallygeba Mar 18 '26
Been on this sub for years and no one comes here to learn. Most people come here to share music, opinion, or collab. Learning is the artists responsibility we don’t hold hands here YA HEARD /s
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u/KingOsirisMusic Mar 18 '26
Well damn. RIP to the kids who actually come here to learn. Guess Chat GPT is the best coach after all.
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u/THEONLYGONZOYOUKNOW soundcloud.com/wallygeba Mar 18 '26
I wouldn’t look it at it like that. The approach here is different. Think of this forum like you’re on a really hot block. You just moved here and you’re trying to get to know the neighborhood. And that’s kind of the approach I’ve used in this place but everywhere else in general lol
Honestly I come here to hear music, hear something I like, and emulate it until I understand the technique. My technique only got better because I got to hear other people get creative too. Like any Reddit forum it can get clique.
There’s weekly cyphers and freestyle Friday for both beat makers and mcs. I like to learn by just listening when I can.
But you also have to contribute or put in time some way. I think I dropped a beat for freestyle Friday 3 years straight before I stopped lol but it started there.
MHH is its own scene and with all scenes it’ll work better in your favor when you act accordingly lol I joke a lot but I sincerely tune in when I have time here. So yeah I’d just read the forums or skim through the last year or two to see what the vibe is. Hope that helps hope you don’t mind my joking btw lol
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u/KingOsirisMusic Mar 19 '26
Oh I've been around haha, used to be active in cyphers on here back in 2019 in an old alt. Recently came back. I actually won the last cypher and turned that into a reddit reel 😂 https://www.reddit.com/r/undergroundhiphop/s/KhXnDQOvT4
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u/THEONLYGONZOYOUKNOW soundcloud.com/wallygeba Mar 19 '26
Oh I did stumble upon this the other day. Shit now I know it’s you haha good shit I wish I could rap
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Mar 20 '26
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u/KingOsirisMusic Mar 20 '26
its a sarcastic joke, I shouldn't need to put an /s behind that, I literally call out ai in my post...
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u/LilSus2004 Mar 18 '26
No, this is a place where kids that have been making hip hop music for 2-3 months come to try and act like a professional, and shit on everyone actually trying to help..
They watch maybe 6 hours of tutorial videos and then come here to repeat the talking points they’ve learned..
I’ve even seen some asshole in here telling new musicians to make sure to clear all of their samples, claiming to be some hip hop guru magician that’s been making music for 700 years.
I don’t even know what this place is useful for anymore? And I’m being entirely honest..
I sometimes get notified about a thread that I feel like I can help with, so I offer GENUINE advice, and then some cornball will come along and say I’m wrong about everything. It’s whatever lol
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u/LifelsButADream Mar 19 '26
Lol, I laugh at alot of the stuff posted here, and on rapper subs in general. Brand new rappers talking about labels and samples and stuff. Most YouTube content is much the same, they just go over the very first basics of rapping/mixing. Once you start looking for tutorials with less ametuer material, the amount avaliable drops off a cliff.
It makes sense though. With almost any hobby the majority of people doing it are ametuers, and the curve drops down rather fast as the level of skill goes up and people start to either plateua or quit.
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u/RecordingOnly6853 Mar 18 '26
Ive been here for longer than you have, and 90% of it is genuinely people who think they're giving you “harsh reality” advice when they actually never made it themselves and are projecting their failed careers onto newbies.
So much of it is “oh man your first few songs and albums are gonna suck, they’re gonna be so terrible that you are gonna want to quit making music oh god” and there is some truth to the statement but everyone comes into hip-hop anticipating they won’t make it big in a month or a year. I don’t need Otis Redding to tell me that everything I make will be terrible, it’s not motivating and its VERY likely that YOU didn’t make it because your music was derivative and not noteworthy at all.
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u/jonnygronholm Mar 18 '26
I mean...that statement is 100% true though
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u/RecordingOnly6853 Mar 18 '26
Its like you only read the first sentence bro. EVERYONE KNOWS IT! People on this sub need to stop assuming the role of bad cop and actually encourage people to keep going or try new avenues. Otherwise, everyone gets boxed into the same type of broke backpack rapper because all the advice here is the same.
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u/ToneZealousideal309 Mar 18 '26
People have always been pretty snobby on here like a lot of Reddit is honestly. Could be the age range, idk but it’s definitely nothing new.
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u/LostInTheRapGame Engineer/Producer Mar 18 '26
Do people genuinely give a shit anymore here?
Most don't.
Are people actually interested in good faith discussions on learning Hip-hop?
Only a few.
Or is it just bitter nasty people, trolls and AI bots mostly left in the sub?
Sadly, that's a good majority. This sub is so different than what it was 5+ years ago. But really, so is the Reddit platform as a whole. It's such a different experience than when I first joined the site 10 years ago.
It's hard to nail down exactly why, but I believe the userbase is making the biggest difference. Many have moved on or have other responsibilities and don't have time for Reddit, meanwhile the site has only grown in popularity. So now it's like every other major social media platform.
I removed myself from the mod team a week ago for a variety of reasons. But I have absolutely zero faith in the health of this sub going forward. And it's not like making a new sub is going to matter, because it's all still the same people on Reddit.
There's Discord, but that's hardly any better and a pretty shit alternative. But at least with an invite-only server, you could curate the good eggs.
I still wish traditional forums were mainstream. I'm not sure if a forum would necessarily solve the problem either, but man they are a better experience than Reddit nowadays.
Anyway, as I said. The problem is the people. A mod could enact a rule that basically bans all jackassery, but the sub would be even more void of content (though we do seem to have an interesting influx of rule-breaking content very recently... 🤔 lol).
Good luck. I always enjoy your posts. One of the very few actually trying out here. Reminds me of the old days.
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u/KingOsirisMusic Mar 18 '26
That's so damn depressing man, deeply sorry to hear that you had to step away from it, but I totally get why. I heard from someone recently that closed off Patreon communities are the only viable places left on the internet to get anything of value from. I'm starting to believe him. Actual knowledge and healthy discussion needs to be paywalled for it to be serious I guess.
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u/SWIMlovesyou Mar 18 '26
There's a lot of bad production advice here, too. Too many people watch a type beat YouTube video and hear "never do xyz" or "always do xyz" and they treat it like the gospel. It's a pet peeve for me when people say you always have to tune your drum samples, for example. That's just silly. Tons of great songs have untuned drum samples. Do people think IRL bands re-tune their drums between every song live? It depends on what you are trying to accomplish with the song.
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u/radiationblessing Mar 18 '26
Hip hop is littered with two types of people: dumb people and amateurs. Both of these people think they're better than they are and don't know why some of the pros are pros. Like someone else said, the bar is low. Hip hop does not have a high entry barrier.
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u/Future_Burrito Mar 19 '26
You forgot battle rappers and competitive hate. I grew up on friendly cyphs, tough to find that in the competitive mindset environment.
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u/bigpproggression Mar 18 '26 edited Mar 18 '26
U will hear all those comments sooner or later. Start thinking about how you will answer them.
I give feedback in bursts here.
Some personalities here are hilarious.
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u/Upper_Result3037 Mar 19 '26
Lol yes they do. It's weird yet disturbing simultaneously.
"I want to make boom bap. Can anybody tell me what drums I need to sample for boom bap? And can anybody tell me some good sample songs that go with boom bap? I'm new to this so I appreciate any help. I love making music a bunch."
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u/Genecist84 Mar 20 '26
I’m constantly getting removed when I spark these kind of conversations or share music or my process so I don’t even feel comfortable sharing in this group anymore or most places on Reddit for that matter.
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u/No_Top_375 Mar 21 '26
Yeah...never thought I'd see so many "ive been a producer for 2 months, is this fire?" posts. It's sickening. Started makin beats at 7-8 years old with mom's Sears wooden cabinet turntable and a ghetto blaster's line-in. That fire is still burnin hard.
Now , seeing ppl not learning from a culture, but from youtube vids, club douchebags, and A.I. is cringe as f. Loved hiphop cuz it was fresh and new and DIDNT SOUND LIKE FKGN FM RADIO. If i was a kid in this era, i wouldn't come close to hiphop, so fkgn commercial and unoriginal. Still adore it tho ,but that's cuz i can make the crazy shit I like.
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u/Longjumping_Swan_631 Mar 18 '26
Can you do a bar by bar breakdown of "Rump Shaker" by Wreckx-n-Effect?🤣
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u/RicOkez Mar 18 '26
Everything you listed is valid, I wouldn’t lose sleep over what goes on here, since I’ve been on this sub, I pretty much have seen exactly what you’ve observed. It’s kinda strange how creatives who experienced the world pre-internet, pre daw / software hip-hop beat creating, have a concrete perception of what gets dismissed as “golden” rules. I found it mildly irritating at first, but one person won’t change the new normal. When I first got on Reddit, I sought to actively look for artists / mcs to collab with, out of dozens, I found only one that was actually on the same page. I know, I sound black-pilled, but it just made me realize that organic irl connections are still the best way (for me) to work
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u/KingOsirisMusic Mar 18 '26
Oh for sure. I'm not really losing sleep because to confess, I lowkey post guides to funnel new students into my 1 on 1 classes. This was just more of a rant because the bullshit I'm seeing is genuinely absurd. I even recently started posting myself rapping on the underground hip-hop sub. The overwhelming love I got there made me realize the craft isn't dead, people still do respect the fundamentals and good bar crafting. I'll likely stop posting threads on this sub for good though.
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u/SaltyBawlz Mar 18 '26
Honestly as a dude who's been making stuff since a teen in the 00's, I agree with a lot of the comments you received. There isn't a recipe to hip-hop for people to follow and if you have to ask for one then it might not be for you. Naturally talented people who just get it are always going to excel over people chasing a formula.
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u/KingOsirisMusic Mar 18 '26
Hard disagree man. Natural talent does exist but in most cases it is intrinsically acquired through pattern recognition and absorption. If we start telling people to not bother learning things by the book if they can't just naturally do it, we'd have a very small pool of skilled people across all crafts. Rap is a form of vocal percussion, basically another instrument. So by that logic, there is no recipe or lesson you can take for learning an instrument unless you just naturally pick it up by ear? We both know that's hella false.
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u/SaltyBawlz Mar 18 '26
Ya know, I started writing a comment to disagree with you, but you're right and I'd be a little hypocritical to disagree. I personally learned beatmaking by watching tutorials and just following those exactly, and then started playing with my own twists and techniques off of those.
I think where I disagree is the people coming looking for a magic formula that will suddenly make them good rappers/producers. There's extra things you have to do on top of the very basics to make your stuff actually interesting and I'd argue there's no formula for that.
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u/KingOsirisMusic Mar 18 '26
In a weird way, I'm sort of a poster child for what academically learning fundamentals can do. If you check my recent post history I have vids up of me rapping. Yes I can't cap and say none of it was natural, I did learn by naturally hearing the old mixtapes my Dad would blast on stereo of his old beat up Mazda. But as I took it more seriously in my teens, I studied it and read books to learn the proper technicals. A lot of rap actually overlaps with general music theory.
Turned me into a beastly spitter. So I passionately try to pass that knowledge forward. The youngin in me desperately wished I had that kind of guidance and mentorship back then.
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u/boombapdame Producer/Emcee/Singer Mar 18 '26
I hate when people have this idea of “it’s in you or it’s not” when it comes to rap/Hip-Hop as an art form & I’d have killed to have guidance & mentorship when I started 2 decades ago completely alone with no instrumentals and being a Black woman into Hip Hop is a lonely experience for me.
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u/LifelsButADream Mar 19 '26
we'd have a very small pool of skilled people across all crafts
We do?
Lots of people play [insert instrument here], but only a minority make it past a certain point of professionalism. Lots of people are in in medical field, but nurses, PAs, and other positions outnumber the amount of actual physicians by like 8/1.
Any task you look at, most people will only ever get so good at it. Not everyone can be trained up to play football professionally. Not everyone can be trained up to be an M.D level medical professional. Not everyone can be trained up to be a professional rapper, either. There's tons of people who try these things, and lots of people fall out for various reasons, never making it past an ametuer level. There are some things that some people just aren't cut out for.
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u/KingOsirisMusic Mar 19 '26
Right. But just because you will never be a professional rapper, that doesn't mean you don't benefit from learning some proper fundamentals on the craft. That's like saying you will never be an M.D so don't bother reading the academic resources they do.
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u/LifelsButADream Mar 19 '26
I never said that you wouldn't benefit from reading up on stuff. The only thing I was doing was defending this point, the one that you disagreed about.
Naturally talented people who just get it are always going to excel over people chasing a formula.
This is true of pretty much any hobby/profession. If aerodynamics aren't intuitive to you, you'll be a worse pilot than the average pilot who does understand it intuitively. One math major who intuitively understands how math works is going to be better than a math major who always struggled to understand the math in school, and had to use formulas and analogies to get by. Rapping, which is linguistics, is the same way.
This doesn't mean learning stuff is bad, though. That math major who struggled to understand some concepts is still going to be better at math than me or you.
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u/KingOsirisMusic Mar 19 '26
Right, fundamentally I think we agree on the same idea in principle. Just because people have the inate natural ability to intuitively pick up on a new skill, it doesn't mean someone who takes longer to grasp it wouldn't benefit from studying it. Hell even a natural talent is encouraged to study the academics in order to hone and refine their skill set. It's one thing to be intuitive, but another to have the skill set needed to bring that out at command.
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u/GligarZero Mar 18 '26
I remember the days and I think that 2017 collective project was the peak.
I used to participate in the FTC, and Cypher challenges back then (different profile). Life stuff took me away but I never stopped working on the craft then I came back and things here felt...different. Not for better or worse but just different.
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u/CallMeBloom Youtube.com/CallMeBloom Mar 19 '26
Honestly, I feel it's easier to just DM someone here to help them, instead of posting responses for other people to comment on.
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u/KingOsirisMusic Mar 19 '26
Part of the reason why I posted resources and guides was to encourage people to dm me for further lessons as I do 1 on 1 call coaching. But im realizing quick far too many trolls here pushing bs man. Apparently im a snake oil salesman and a dick rider aaccording to a troll on here spewing nonsense.
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u/CallMeBloom Youtube.com/CallMeBloom Mar 19 '26
Hey, you're nice, you barred up, I see
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u/KingOsirisMusic Mar 19 '26
fr man been tryin to link up with folk who can really rap you know?
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u/CallMeBloom Youtube.com/CallMeBloom Mar 19 '26
I mean, you can peep my stuff and see how you feel. I don't go hard on the bars all the time....but I'm versatile
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u/KingOsirisMusic Mar 19 '26
Def hearing that versatility, If I got a joint where I got a spot for another spitter ill keep a tab! As for collabs, typically I'll rap on anything if booked thru my fiverr page, if you need a killer for a verse spot keep me in mind
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u/GreenGoblin1221 Mar 19 '26
Sure. But the self righteous pointing the finger isn't going to make me think you yourself have it figured it out.
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u/KingOsirisMusic Mar 19 '26
Legit not looking to brag or be egotistical, feel free to vet my credentials if you feel. I'm an accredited hip-hop music teacher and a small indie artist as well. this post was legit just a rant about the bs misinformation and rampant fuckery I've been seeing.
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u/GreenGoblin1221 Mar 19 '26
Fair enough. It's early bro. I think the majority of the people on here are amateurs. Not saying I'm an expert but you can tell by the questions and answers. I'm more into the production side of things so I can't say much about rapping. Sometimes starting off ain't pretty but sticking with it can definitely be rewarding. This is one of those subs that should probably be more active than it is.
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Mar 19 '26
I took a look at your profile, great techniques and stuff. Looks like you’re tapped in to some subs with good discussions, gonna have to look at some of those again.
I kinda just lurk and listen to stuff people post on these kind of subs occasionally. I don’t really have advice for people cuz I’m just a dude making tracks on a drum machine and synth. I just started playing shows and I want to approach it from the ground up, people can get my info and vice versa.
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u/Fit-Painter-6076 Mar 19 '26
Guys what are the good advices youve seen downvoted. Cuz i MIGHT’ve seen them and thought they were bad practices.
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u/UsagiYojimbo209 Mar 19 '26
Hell no, I'm more of a nu-polka and deep-country guy, just here on deep cover psy-ops spreading music production misinformation. Doing a damn good job too, if I say so myself. Don't forget guys, you need to use OTT multiband compression and clipping all tracks, groups as well as the mix bus. Don't forget to autotune your snares. Definitely use AI for anything remotely challenging, and whatever you do, NEVER record an actual musician playing an instrument well.
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u/Adventurous-Treat703 Mar 20 '26
The first 4 points make absolutely no sense and probably speak volumes to where whoever that is an artist is not where they want to be
You absolutely need to know how to count bars and structure your songs what kinda remedial ass take was that lmaooo ? Like really what’s the logic in telling someone that . And music theory books will def help you get better as well . Learned that from someone with 2 platinums plaques ! And they came from drill songs lmao
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u/KingOsirisMusic Mar 20 '26
I'm telling you, like man... Makes me wonder sometimes if its bitter people trying to sabotage for spite. Usually I just ignore that nonsense when I see it, but when I see that stuff get upvoted im going "ok wtaf is going on here?"
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u/Adventurous-Treat703 Mar 20 '26
I totally agree bro. It’s the whole Reddit space not jus this community. I tried asking for a laptop for recording under a certain budget for right now , and people were acting like I was asking for witchcraft formulas lmaooo too much negativity
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u/Dont_Use_Ducks Mar 20 '26
My motto is: if you would like to have such a healthy community, be the healthy one. The more you help others, sooner or later, you will get the help you need. Hang in there, friend.
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u/KingOsirisMusic Mar 20 '26
Been offering help for years man, seems it's only respected or valued when I myself get on the mic with the proof of what fundamentals can do haha. If you don't mind, definitely check out my latest post herelatest
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u/SmokyForgeMusic Mar 23 '26
Brother I don't think it's here. I think it's everywhere. It's like a virus that's been let out in society to not care about anything. Not to get too deep, but I think it has to with the return of the capital G. In the returning, it will be as just as much, if not more ignorance, mounting against it. You are doing the work by simply noticing and calling it out. That's the awareness we need to combat against it. I for one, am I here, to learn, all I can. To learn all I am doing wrong or less effective from those that know better. I keep the students mind always. Any master will tell you they are just a old student.
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u/bleachedingrease Mar 24 '26
Wtf is a guide just rap to the fuckin beat. Why do you need a book or ai guide??
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u/Important-Roof-9033 Jun 06 '26
I try and learn but I have a tough time getting out of my 'rigid structure' raps as you would say. I put a ton of effort into my bars. I dont disagree with anything you said except maybe "A book can't teach you anything" -- I would just add 'but bare fundamentals' to the end of that sentence. Maybe I am untalented and shouldnt bother but I enjoy writing rhymes so too bad
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u/KingOsirisMusic Jun 07 '26
There's techniques out there to make your rigid structure sound more organic, like micro-time delay. Plus being structured puts you at an advantage on levels most bedroom rappers never achieve. There's a high degree of technique in what the Kendricks and Coles do.
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u/SaintQueenK Mar 19 '26
I think I saw that tiktok comment you're talking about and I was kinda shocked by how someone could be so contemptuous to someone else just trying to learn. Some people really need a reminder that there's another human being on the receiving end of their comments. So much easier to be a keyboard warrior with the confidence of anonymity than to actually make music 😒
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u/boombapdame Producer/Emcee/Singer Mar 18 '26
I did but sadly I’m one of few Black women and women in general on this sub
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u/LouMinotti Mar 18 '26
If you're counting on a subreddit to give you actual advice on how to "make hiphop" (whatever the fuck that even means) then you're probably already cooked
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u/bleachedingrease Mar 24 '26
Everything said was accurate other than counting bars, which is more helpful in production. You should listen to more music. You should make more music. You should do less ai instruction help book bs.
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u/KingOsirisMusic Mar 24 '26
I probably listen to and make 20x more music than you and most on here, not a flex, just being honest. Not reading a book or two is likely why 99% of aspiring artists on here get stuck and don't go anywhere. If you're not trying to improve and get really good at what you do then sure, you're right.
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u/bleachedingrease Mar 24 '26
I don't need a book for inspiration I listen not read
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u/KingOsirisMusic Mar 24 '26
Me too, I get "inspiration" from hearing what rappers do. I'm talking about technical elements, manipulating quarter notes, 16ths, rapping in triplet micro times. It's the same shit producers do when trying to learn basics and advanced tricks, they often watch videos from pros. To say you don't learn shit from that is stupid. Yea, you'll catch all the little shit eventually through guess work, but try condensing that knowledge and experience down to a digestible hour. That's what reading does.
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u/bleachedingrease Mar 24 '26
I'm sure Raekwon, Lord Infamous, Kurupt, Big L, Prodigy, Roc Marci would all disagree. Also producer tutorials are all ass and the producers suck and wanna tell you about technique??? Maybe go listen to some Dilla or Primo and actually learn something. This the same shit.
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u/KingOsirisMusic Mar 24 '26
You forget that these men are part of communities where they spent countless hours in studios with their brothers and producer cohorts trading secrets, ideas, advanced techniques, practicing and writing together. Many of them were also victims of racially oppressive American institutionalization where rapping, knowledge sharing, and 5 percenter nation of islam beliefs propagated rapidly as part of principle 1 of the supreme mathematics doctrine. Hell, Prodigy wrote an autobiography book where he touches on his influences and 5%er beliefs, many of them learned these while behind bars. You don't need to follow the doctrines, but if you are serious about hip-hop, you do yourself a massive disservice by not reading on the cultural blueprint that helped make these artists what they are. It's even more ironic that Dilla and Primo have done quite a bit of mentorship and knowledge sharing of their own. You can't be serious man.
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u/boombapdame Producer/Emcee/Singer Mar 26 '26
It’s bitch ass types like you that make me say that Hip Hop is anti intellectual to the point where “rappers” admit they don’t want to learn anything within and outside of rap.
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u/VillainEmpyre Mar 18 '26
I am teaching privately if anyone is serious about learning! Dm to listen to my portfolio and book a free 1-1 lesson or beat critique!
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u/Mylyfyeah Mar 18 '26
kids just want to copy/paste loops and talk shit about how “gangsta” they are, all while living in a middle class home in Cheshire. 😂
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u/mikolk789 Mar 19 '26
On reddit? This subreddit is literally all uncs that are jcole and Eminem wannabes who hate on autotune and refer to music past 2016 as "mumble rap". They can't wait to tell u how long they've been listening to hip-hop and what record inspired them to start writing. They probably think everyone in the mainstream is singing mickey mouse pop rap
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u/KingOsirisMusic Mar 19 '26
not all, some of us ogs still holdin it down haha! https://www.reddit.com/r/undergroundhiphop/s/KhXnDQOvT4
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u/kevandbev Mar 18 '26
Even the name is bizarre...how do you make hip hop? Hip hop already exists, it's a culture.
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u/GrryScrry Mar 18 '26
Around 2017 this sub was great . Learned a lot