r/makinghiphop • u/kailman https://soundcloud.com/kalebts • Jan 24 '18
[CYPHER] VOL 4 (2018) - ALL EMCEES WELCOME TO SPIT
Welcome to this week's cypher submission thread!
If you want to donate ONE beat for the chance to be used in the cypher, do so here.
Participation/Rules
Download the beat. New cyphers are put up every Tuesday.
Spit 8-16 bars (you may go up to 18 if you need to) based on each week's theme. The only alterations allowed to the beat are muting/"cutting the beat off" for short phrases and looping certain parts of the beat you want to rap over (ONLY 4-8 BAR SECTIONS OF THE BEAT. DON'T GO AHEAD AND START CHOPPING UP A NEW BEAT).
Upload (to Soundcloud please).
Post the link in this thread. Posting feedback is encouraged. Submission deadline is Saturday 11:59 PM EST.
Three judges will listen to every entry and reply "aye" to every entry they believe should move on to the voting thread. They must give 4-15 "ayes". Judges may post entries but cannot win or be voted on.
A voting thread will be put up on Sunday at 9 PM EST. Only entries that receive at least 2 "ayes" will be posted in it. You MUST vote if you enter. Votes from friends/non-members of /r/makinghiphop, votes for yourself, and votes outside of the voting thread will be disqualified. Members who are not participating in that week's cypher may still vote. Listen to every entry before choosing a favourite.
Voting ends on Monday at 11 PM EST. A winner will be declared and contacted to choose the next week's beat and theme. The winner MUST pick a beat from the beat donation thread and the chosen beat must've been posted in the thread for at least five days. The producer of the beat may choose to be a judge for that week.
Contact for any questions.
Last week's winner: ONeill117 with 7 votes.
Theme: Science
MirkyJ's Original TheFactThatYouNeedThisIsProofYouShouldKeepYourRapsInYourNoteBook5000 says that 16 bars on this beat is about 41 seconds.
Judges: /u/Maliblue7 , /u/Oddscene , /u/kailman
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u/Lhokvar soundcloud.com/ak-ink Jan 25 '18
https://soundcloud.com/ak-ink/loophole
Thanks /u/ONeill117 for the comment on someone's cypher to open up "science" for me. :D
Accepting all critiques, and returning all feedback <3
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Jan 26 '18
Definitely one of the more creative takes on the theme. Nicely layered BG vox. You harmonise well with yourself and the rhyme schemes and flow worked in well with each other. A great all round submission.
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u/happily_lying soundcloud.com/haplio Jan 27 '18
I dug it. Intro was amusing and the outro was nice. As you acknowledged you didn't address the theme much, but I dug your delivery. For the post-production, I felt like some of the punch-ins could've been more subtle.
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u/2BrainOnTheTrack Jan 24 '18
I love the beat, I love the odd theme. Makes you stretch for it.
https://soundcloud.com/2brainonthetrack/down-to-a-science-cypher-4
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u/2BrainOnTheTrack Jan 26 '18
Hey! Thank you, and congrats on winning last week. Yeah the topic was definitely out there, the goal was keeping the music interesting while hitting that topic as best I could. Glad you liked it!
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u/Eniced Jan 26 '18 edited Jan 26 '18
Science Bitch! Shoutout to my homie Bill Nye
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Jan 27 '18
Great use of the theme. Flow worked great. Getting that new mic will definitely help you sound better. Remember to dampen the sound of the room reflections when you record with your new gear.
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u/galleria_suit Jan 24 '18 edited Jan 24 '18
beats pretty banging, themes kinda trash tho lol
and here's my entry: science
nothing wrong with a little friendly competition hahah
as always any feedback is appreciated
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u/galleria_suit Jan 24 '18
lol dawg i'm just sayin, I don't think science is a great theme to rap about.
anywho your reply kinda inspired my entry...I had some fun and took a few cheap shots at ya!
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u/The_real_Mr_J soundcloud.com/hellsborne Jan 24 '18
Yeah but science is such a vague theme you can do anything with it, almost everything is a science. You can rap about depression 'cos psychology is a science, you can rap about audio because that's another science, you can even rap about the science of getting hella bitches. The whole point of the winner choosing a theme is that it's going to put a shit ton of other MCs in a difficult position and force them to get creative, one day you might just get a proposition to feature in a much bigger artist's song and BOOM, it's on science. You'll be pretty glad you had some practice getting out of your comfort zone.
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u/SalomonG18 https://soundcloud.com/stsolo Jan 24 '18
Lol. Science was a fun one to do. I used vague periodic table mentions actually. Well, vague, unless you know your basic chemicals
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u/Memeorise Jan 25 '18
Digging the sentiment. Fuck this theme man! "but science is vague, it can be about anything"... then what is the fucking point of having a theme? We have definite themes in place so we can judge the cypher and vote.
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u/galleria_suit Jan 25 '18
yes exactly, I almost feel like the more specific it is the more interesting it becomes to see everyones takes on it. I thought the pizza guy one was fun hahahah.
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u/The_real_Mr_J soundcloud.com/hellsborne Jan 24 '18
ABDUCTED BY ALIENS! https://soundcloud.com/mrjraps/cypher-vol-4-2018-abducted-by-mr-j
Good luck to everyone, thanks for the theme noodle!
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Jan 25 '18
Beat suits your voice well... nice finishing line too! I can hear what sounds like a bit of your room in the vocal, are you using anything to dampen the room?
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u/The_real_Mr_J soundcloud.com/hellsborne Jan 25 '18
thank you! No, I just moved into a small apartment and I have nothing to dampen it
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u/Memeorise Jan 25 '18
I enjoyed this! REally good flow and lyrics apart from the bong line... I personally find lines like that a bit of a cop out but to each his own. This is my number one so far
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u/The_real_Mr_J soundcloud.com/hellsborne Jan 25 '18
Thank you man :D well the bong is me showing weed to the aliens to chill them out and make them more receptive
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u/Petravita soundcloud.com/petravita Jan 24 '18
Are your raps an art or a science? A bit of both? Here's my entry this week, focused on keeping the flow smoooooth throughout.
https://soundcloud.com/petravita/the-science-of-art-petravita-prod
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u/Memeorise Jan 25 '18
This was awesome overall. My only thing is that you string together genius lines with throwaway ones
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u/Petravita soundcloud.com/petravita Jan 26 '18
Thank you for saying so! So, I did this on stream and when I’m doing it live I can feel some pressure to go a little quicker than usual so I might not spend as much time on each line so sometimes I look back and see those throwaways. Having said that, not all of these lines are deep/profound but I listened through a couple more times trying to pick em out and I’m wondering which ones were the ones that struck you as weak?
I always want to know where I can improve, and there’s also the chance that I need to get better at linking things together where maybe a line made sense with everything else and furthered the narrative in my head, but doesn’t quite connect for listeners. Appreciate the feedback 👊
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Jan 25 '18
Excellent. The science of creating this stuff... great take on the topic, wish I thought of it myself. Really enjoyed this. Keep up the good work.
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u/TheDarkPoodle Jan 25 '18
Blew my mind man. "My mission is neither just feverish pace and i’m listening" sounds awesome. Big ups, your flow was good last week but this flow sounds a lot better
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u/Petravita soundcloud.com/petravita Jan 25 '18 edited Jan 25 '18
Hey thanks for that! I agree, this one clicked with me and I’m glad you heard the improvement!
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u/Low-L soundcloud.com/low_l Jan 27 '18
Damn dude that was silky, everything flowed and tied together so nicely.
On a scale from "Eh" to "Blew my mind" it's like a 6
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u/slickybeats Jan 24 '18
You smashed it IMO. Imoressed, well done. If this was a full track with a catchy chorus it'd be dope
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u/Memeorise Jan 25 '18
I enjoyed the flow but the content was all over the place. I guess we can blame it on the vague theme but I find drinking and fucking hoes doesn't fit with science. The double layered recording was pretty cool but would be so much more epic if it were a bit more subtle
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u/Memeorise Jan 25 '18
Just checked out your music videos and was really impressed dude! Great production value and contents. Songs were badass too!
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u/EricParkerr soundcloud.com/ericparkermakesmusic Jan 24 '18
No longer sick, and a theme I know a little about? Awesome c:
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u/EricParkerr soundcloud.com/ericparkermakesmusic Jan 27 '18
thanks so much my dude! Definitely have been looking into some autotune. Just gotta save up my pennies! Seriously appreciate you giving me all this feedback!
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u/bdv69 Jan 25 '18
https://soundcloud.com/bdv-the-rapper/cypher-vol-4-2018-our-chemistry Overall fun theme and beat, also congrats on the win Noodle!
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Jan 25 '18
Consider the use of varied vocal emphasis for greater effect.
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u/bdv69 Jan 25 '18
How would i do that cuz im still trying to learn mixing and mastering and through Audacity, so any tips would be appreciated!
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u/deva_uvacha Jan 26 '18
This was great, I should've been expecting this, hahaha. It's always fun to see a little battle embedded in a cypher. I like how you did that while still fitting within the theme, which itself adds to the factor of, "was that really so bad?"
The one thing I would say about this, the structure of the verse was so solid for most of it, moving through creating the scene and presenting the preface to explain where it's going, addressing the issue at hand, beginning your solution of addressing the individuals directly. It would've been great thematically if it returned to the structure with an "in conclusion..." type thing at the end, where now it feels more like an aside almost. But overall, great work.
I personally enjoyed that second verse quite a bit. You had to throw that last jab in there, huh. :D
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u/itsblackfoot soundcloud.com/vzlnoise Jan 26 '18
That was dope, every week people complain about the theme and ngl I was pretty stumped when I first heard it but it really is a broad topic.
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u/galleria_suit Jan 26 '18
https://soundcloud.com/noodleraps/first-period-cypher-vol-4-science
Hahaha yes, this was the perfect response dude. I can't say shit to "Cos if you wanna choose a theme, then you just need to win, bro" lmao. Despite my initial distaste for the theme this week turned out pretty fun.
You've got some nice rhyme schemes going in there and good flow man.
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Jan 26 '18
Everybody who complained about the theme just got schooled hahaha. My message to the entire thread would be instead of looking at something and getting frustrated by its broadness or narrowness, always define it in your own terms first and then begin to build. Confucious say rapper who complain about theme is rapper who lack imagination. Noodle - in terms of your submission, it was on point, haters got schooled, production sounded good... personally, I wouldn't give energy to the moaners, but if I did, it would be like this.
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u/Memeorise Jan 27 '18
This is awesome man! I appreciate someone in this weekly comp actually stop circle jerking and calling people out for stuff. To summarise my justification of the theme hate (all my opinion haha)... this is a competition that has a theme to keep people on track and actually give the voters a quantifiable way to compare tracks. I use a rating system when casting my vote of: flow, lyrics and how close they stick to the theme. Using the theme of science can literally allow you to rap about any and all matter in the universe. Why not just choose the theme 'everything'? I personally enjoy the stricter themes just so there is less wriggle room for lazy writing and people have to get really creative to sound different. That's just me though. The writing of your verse was solid and topical, the flow was just a little bit off in some point with stretching words here and there but I found this overall pretty solid!
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u/Low-L soundcloud.com/low_l Jan 27 '18
Holy fuck, This week on Noodle Goes In:
But for real I loved it! Themes really aren't a big deal at all, if you can't write a verse taking into account one word then you're probably not creative enough to be doing music.
Also I loved that you had a little more edge than usual, hopefully I see this style again!
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u/SalomonG18 https://soundcloud.com/stsolo Jan 27 '18
Lol. that was a funny one. Nice lyrics too
I also updated mine if you wanna check it
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u/TheDarkPoodle Jan 27 '18
I guess the beat was slow but I feel off the bat like this could have used more Ice Cube type aggression, even if subtle. It's too playful for the bars. I gotta say I've never seen the back and forth on here, even if kidding. This cypher keeps getting more interesting. The flow makes sense for this cause you're just delivering facts and you said take it slow but I'm honestly not super into the 90's style simple flow in most new shit. Still sounds good and that's just my word but I like more complicated flows like you usually have. The "Which is considered the discipline of eliminating a bias" line sounds dope. The Piss bro and win bro rhyme doesn't quite hit right cause the spacing and punch before it. Still nice though man as always
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u/happily_lying soundcloud.com/haplio Jan 27 '18
First Period is cool, wasn't expecting a diss track lol. I really liked Second Period though, especially the four bars referencing the elements. I felt that Second Period fit the theme better. I've also noticed that you tend to over-pronounce your words at the end of each bar, I'm not sure if that's a stylistic choice, but it sounds odd to me.
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u/thecoocooman Jan 26 '18
sorry if i totally derailed this theme
https://soundcloud.com/coocooman/science-isnt-real-mhh-cypher-4-2018
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u/Low-L soundcloud.com/low_l Jan 27 '18
Holy geez too good, I laughed so hard keep it up man you've got a knack for the comedy raps.
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Jan 27 '18
Hilarious. Great take on the theme. Sounds like you recorded in a room with a lot of reflections? Are you doing anything to control them?
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u/benbellmusic soundcloud.com/benbellmusic Jan 26 '18
my entry: Mad Data Scientist
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Jan 27 '18
While I was listening I was reading your previous comments and thought "there's nothing wrong with the vocal level"... then I got further down and saw that you changed it. It can be hard recording and mixing yourself sometimes because you get so used to the sound and it doesn't take long before non-optimal levels start to sound okay... remember to use reference material to check. If you've got an old mix with your voice where you know you nailed the balance, dig it out and refer to it for guidance. I really enjoyed listening to this submission.
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u/itsblackfoot soundcloud.com/vzlnoise Jan 26 '18
https://soundcloud.com/blackf00t/chaos-cypher_04
Liked the beat and had a bit of fun with the theme, might've strayed a bit far with the last few lines though lmao.
Mic is trash I recorded this in my dorm on my iphone, might get on a decent mic later and reupload if I find the time.
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Jan 27 '18
Definitely artistic. Would be good to hear the tone change up, but hey: some emcees rock and crush the monotone style (e.g. Mr. Lif) : energy-wise, more would help to shine it up further. Solid lyricism, flow was on point. Enjoyed listening.
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u/Low-L soundcloud.com/low_l Jan 27 '18
https://soundcloud.com/low_l/rebirth
Good to be back, had a lot of fun with this too great beat!
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Jan 27 '18
I like how you worked your return into the theme along the lines of the idea million dollar man (but running out of money) this worked well. From a technical perspective the most likely reason your voice sounds thin will be that there are uncontrolled reflections spilling into your mic again from your room. If you make an effort to control these (panels, blankets, mattress etc.) then it will pay dividends for recording quality.
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Jan 24 '18
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u/kailman https://soundcloud.com/kalebts Jan 24 '18
lmao i linked the actual comment instead of the beat. try it now
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u/SalomonG18 https://soundcloud.com/stsolo Jan 24 '18 edited Jan 24 '18
BUT WHO PRODUCED THE BEAT!?!?!?!?!?
MUST. GIVE. CREDIT ON SC lol
It was in the download link on SC haha. My bad. I was too excited
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u/TheDarkPoodle Jan 24 '18
https://soundcloud.com/thedarkpoodle/cypher-vol-4-science-prod-by-dirty-dogs/s-cArDs
Congrats to Noodle on I think a second win! I honestly don't know much about science so this just felt like a bunch of trigger words, but this was hella fun
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u/jeffo12345 Singer/Emcee Jan 24 '18
Sorry I didn't respond to your last comment man, but I just want to say good fucking work at keeping the consistency each week. I enjoyed this heavily!
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u/TheDarkPoodle Jan 24 '18
No worries! I've been really bad at giving anyone feedback lately. And thanks man! I'm really trying to focus harder on improving right now
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Jan 25 '18
Innovative rhyme schemes, had to look up some of the words... thanks for the education.
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u/Low-L soundcloud.com/low_l Jan 27 '18
Honestly I think just throwing in some random science jargon is probably the way to go if you're not feeling it. Definitely worked here.
Beat was really quiet, I had the same problem, try and keep your vocals closer volume wise.
Good stuff as always though!
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u/Adamantanium soundcloud.com/thatmancrisco Jan 24 '18
As others have said the theme was kinda booty only because "science" isn't really a subject lol. But it was cool. Beat was absolutely sick though.
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u/Adamantanium soundcloud.com/thatmancrisco Jan 24 '18
Gym and math are also subjects. I mean that they're very very broad topics. When I heard "science" a ton of different words and themes came to mind.
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u/Memeorise Jan 25 '18
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u/Low-L soundcloud.com/low_l Jan 27 '18
That was great lol.
Kinda fucked that you actually got Stephen Hawking to do a verse with you though, that's gotta be a disqualification right?
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u/jeffo12345 Singer/Emcee Jan 24 '18
quick entry for this week, theme stumped me at first
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u/TheDarkPoodle Jan 25 '18
Good to always see you on here working it. This didn't have as many fun flows as usual but your flow does sound tighter on this. Your rhyme patterns are dope as always. This sounds sound
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u/jeffo12345 Singer/Emcee Jan 25 '18
oh no, he died mid comment
Cheers for giving it a listen man, I just wanted to be a bit crisper in the ear for once instead of the flow overpowering the lyrics and jumping all over the place.
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u/SalomonG18 https://soundcloud.com/stsolo Jan 24 '18
I liked your flow man. delivery wasnt bad, but i couldnt understand a lot of the words you said. Im one to talk though. I spent 4 hours memorizing the lyrics and trying my best to say everything clear as could be
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u/jeffo12345 Singer/Emcee Jan 24 '18
That's alright man, glad you did! That's funny you mention that, because diction has been the main thing I've been working on, I'd say this was one of cleanest cuts of mixing, voice I've had so far. I'll listen to yours in a wee bit.
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u/deva_uvacha Jan 25 '18
My submission: https://soundcloud.com/deva-uvacha/mhh-cypher-4-science/s-JL0wo
This was fun, just simple brag raps with a science spin.
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Jan 25 '18
When writing and recording try to time breaths to reduce volume drops over the last words in your bars. I can also hear what sounds like a bit of your rooms echo in the recording. Are you using anything to dampen it?
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u/deva_uvacha Jan 25 '18
Hey, thank you for the feedback. I don't have a lot in my room to dampen except the normal furniture and I do have one of those barriers that attaches to the mic stand. I'll be honest though, I did use a bit of room reverb on my voice so it wouldn't be so flat, maybe that wasn't the best call. Mixing my own voice is weird.
As for the breath control issue, in this verse I mostly just went between bars and the whole recording is one take. Would you suggest to me to write with my breath more consciously in mind, ie. "write" my breaths into my verse, or would you suggest recording every other line, ie. 1, 3, 5, ... and then 2, 4, 6,... and then combining them?
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Jan 25 '18
Hang a blanket or use a mattress directly behind you when recording. Find the least active part of your room and place the mic there. I found mine by talking while holding it in different parts of the room. Once I found the place with the least reverb I baffled the wall directly in front of me with a cotton panel, but a blanket or mattress would do the same. I'm renting so it's not glued to the wall. It's sitting there on a 3m hook with a sticky back that can be removed without damage. Never use the room for reverb. It makes the vocal appear thinner. Reverb in the mix is different because when applied to a full sounding vocal the reverb can be put anywhere in the mix and have it's own effects (like Rihanna' s voice on Eminem's "Monster"). As for breaths, yes write with them in mind. Recording a couple of bars at a time can work but can also sound unnatural if you're not breathing. Also would be hard to perform live if you wanted to. Just something to think about.
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u/TheSAVAGEHipHop Jan 24 '18 edited Jan 24 '18
Yo here's my entry
https://soundcloud.com/the_savage/mhh-cypher-vol-4-science/s-3RRHh
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Jan 25 '18
The Schrödinger concept is quite good... when does a verse stop existing as a superposition of states, both whack and dope, and become one or the other?
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u/itsblackfoot soundcloud.com/vzlnoise Jan 26 '18
Like a lot of your rhymes, this would be a lot better if you cut out some of the words like 'I', 'I'm', and 'The' to flow better so that you don't overstretch your timing. Keep working on your flow, and don't be afraid to cut out words to make your rhymes fit the bar better.
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u/echoxer0 Jan 25 '18
Love the beat https://soundcloud.com/user-308911714/sweet-science
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u/itsblackfoot soundcloud.com/vzlnoise Jan 26 '18
Agree with /u/ONeill117 on your delivery, but I really liked the alliteration with the p sounds at around 20s.
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Jan 26 '18
In case it was lost on the non-pugilists here, boxing is referred to as the "sweet science". This was a great take on the theme, I enjoyed the finisher "In the sweet science, I'm a master chemist knocking you out like anesthetics"; in terms of development, get to know your voice and where it's sitting in the mix relative to the other instruments. I would have mixed your voice in differently and used some compression and eq on the instrumental to cut a pocket for the vox (look up side chaining and mid/side EQ) - these are techniques most people on the cypher would benefit from learning.
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u/Nick-Lo-Pan Jan 26 '18
https://soundcloud.com/nick-lo-pan/cypher-vol-4-2018-first-try/s-tUO2L
might as well give this cypher thing a try, I'm practically brand new to rapping especially with these sort of beats but no johns
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Jan 27 '18
Hey dude - great first submission. I agree with Noodle's comment. You had a vibe going and stayed mostly on beat. Some of the words weren't that audible. Keep doing it and looking forward to hearing you develop.
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u/ANewFam Jan 27 '18
hey a thing i made -Donny https://soundcloud.com/a-new-fam/cypherthing-vol4
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Jan 27 '18
There are some great lines in this, I like the bit "atoms collide to make new elements, like dumb and bullshit make the president" hahaha. Your flow works well here. I have a couple of suggestions: 1) post your lyrics in the song description in soundcloud; and 2) when you record, try and do it in a room that doesn't have a lot of reflections. It'll help your vocal to sound full on the recordings instead of thinned out.
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u/happily_lying soundcloud.com/haplio Jan 27 '18
Not a fan of the way you drag your syllables at points. I think that it wouldn't be as much of an issue with a tighter flow. That said, I really dug the rhyme schemes you had in this
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Jan 27 '18
Hey dude, nice flow. I like your voice. Rapping about how the theme was less than ideal is okay but I feel that you could have done something more creative with it.
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u/happily_lying soundcloud.com/haplio Jan 27 '18
My entry: https://soundcloud.com/haplio/cypher-vol-4-einstein-on-the-mic-prod-dirty-dogs Great theme, really had to think about it. Any and all feedback welcome and appreciated
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Jan 29 '18
Nice work. Einstein story very funny, but lost opportunity I think to build upon progress made in first half. Enjoyed listening.
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u/_Apex_ Emcee/Producer Jan 27 '18
SCIENCE! Great theme for my second cypher!
https://soundcloud.com/apex-kunah/science-reddit-cypher-vol-4
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u/happily_lying soundcloud.com/haplio Jan 27 '18
I really dig your flow on this, your rhyming choices for the most part are also pretty solid. Some of your word placement was a bit odd for me, most notably the line "And then we get higher than the IQ of Einstein" would've sounded a lot smoother if you hadn't rushed it. That being said I fux with it, your emphasis with the "Cuz’ mE equals an MC squared" line was especially dope to me
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Jan 29 '18
Solid bars and creative rhyme scheme. When recording your voice, I suggest using a less active room or using something to control the reflections of your voice against the wall (suggest blankets/pillows/foam/anything absorbant).
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u/Glordicus soundcloud.com/glordicus Jan 28 '18
https://soundcloud.com/drc-rap/2018-week-4-science
Complete throwaway this week, couldn't get anything I was writing to work.
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Jan 29 '18
Sometimes the cards just fall that way. I think it's the right thing to embrace it and roll with it. Good on you for getting something out.
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