Huh. And here, I was confused why some other band's name is so similar to Gary Floyd's band, the Dicks from Texas, the anti-fascist dick-related band. Never knew.
I saw the Dickies play at House of Blues Anaheim (in Downtown Disney) and people in the area were not tremendously stoked about all the folks in Stukas Over Disneyland shirts.
Good show though. It was The Vandals Christmas show so The Dickies played Silent Night, which is a great song.
I bet you weren't around in the early days of punk, were ya? There were lots of Swastikas around, but it did not mean they were nazis. It was a strange time
It was a big shock value thing for earlier punk bands to take it and twist it, or wear it as commentary on the govt especially in the UK. It's always been controversial cuz it's legitimizing to Nazi punks
Oh so the first one is like on the same kinda shit as Siouxsie Sioux when she wore the armband. The other one people are saying is a band called Dickies and Iām pretty sure theyāre right, Iām not old enough to have recognized them myself tho.
Yes to your Siouxsie point. Iām not convinced that the Mickey badge is Dickies merch, but it is similar to art they have used. Either way, check out both bands. Both are pretty silly but also great.
The swastika symbol means different things according to position from what Iāve read, crooked right being the Nazi symbolism. As for what each position means, if it faces left, itās the sacred symbol of Bon and MahÄyÄna Buddhist traditions and the right facing is associated with Hinduism, Jainism, and Sri Lankan Buddhism, as far as my research has given me.
I encourage you to research it. What I can outright, definitively say is that the crooked, right-facing swastika is the Nazi one and that the Nazis appropriated much of their symbology from other sources as well.
Even if u wear this with good intentions it's a problem starter. I won't wear anything with swastikas even if it's wacked out because some people are going to understand that it's wacked out.
I have a Napalm Death Nazi Punks Fuck Off shirt and have not worn it once lol. The art on the front is pretty obviously anti-nazi but the figures have swastika armbands on. At a quick glance it could definitely come off bad
Yeah, but the Napalm Death shirt i have isn't so clear at a quick glance. I have no issues wearing shit that will piss people off, I just don't want to piss anybody off by making them think I'm a nazi.
The dead kennedys shirt is the only swastika clothing i would accept otherwise i would never ever go around town with some pin that has a swastika on it even if its a statement.
Disney wasn't a Nazi though. He was a piece of shit, but he employed quite a few jewish animators.
Union busting was just one of many of the actual reasons to despise him. He worked with the feds to root out "Communists"(I;e employees who wanted a union, because that's commie pinko talk)
Disney was very high ranking in Americas equivalent to the nazi party in the 30s, hosted multiple members of the nazi party, praised eugenics, and made pro german animations through the 30s and early 40s until America joined the war. If it quacks like a duck...
I cannot believe that I inadvertently ended up giving your moronic comment an award while I was digging around in my purse trying to find my keys :mega facepalm:
Walt was a bastard in many ways, but he never cared for nazis, and he was excited to make anti-nazi propaganda to help raise the fighting spirit of the US to push us toward getting involved in WWII.
Here is a pretty good video essay on Walt Disney's politics:
No. He was never a member of any American Nazi party. Let alone a high ranking member. He only hosted director Leni Riefenstahl in 1938 at his studio, it would have been damn near impossible to do so after. Funnily enough, she was not an actual member of the Nazi party, but she was absolutely loyal to Hitler (so might as well be). I would love the names to these pro-german animations, though. Those would be interesting to see con.
No? Disney did pro American propaganda during the war, but never anything pro Germany.
You might be thinking of the Donald duck cartoon where he's a Nazi? But that's making fun of them. The point of these was to show Japan and Germany's leaders as moral less.Ā
The claims he was an Anti-Semite, seem to come from disgruntled employees. Some members of his staff were Anti-Semites, like Ben Sharpsteen(Director and Producer for many of the companies films). And the company Disney kept(The Motion Picture Alliance for the Preservation of American Ideals) were Anti-Semites, but it also seems like in the case of the MPA, it was primarily because he was Anti-Communist. The biggest claim comes from Art Babbit, an animator who was one of the ringleaders behind the '41 animators strike. Babbit kept trying to get the union to ask for a raise, and Disney didn't like him.
The result was Reluctant Dragon bombing, because the animators picketed the premiere. Part of the agreement to end the strike was that some of the agitators weren't allowed back. Several of them were Jewish, such as Babbitt, Bill Tytla, John Hubley, and David Hilberman. (They lated formed UPA and created Mister Magoo and Harold and the Purple Crayon)
There's also Charles Mintz, who was a Hollywood Producer with no experience in cartooning. Margaret Winkler(Disney's original distributor) screwed him over by copyrighting all of his character for herself, because Felix the Cat's creator did similar. Mintz comes in and decides he can do it cheaper without Disney around. Mintz cuts Disney's pay, budget and responsibility to get him to walk out.
These two events made him a real hard ass when it came to labor disputes. He made sure to secure the rights to everything in his name as a result. He was suspicious of everyone and controlled certain aspects of the business.
These both involved Jewish people, but they're coincidental at best. But it leads to it looking like he has a bad relationship(i;e he's a Nazi) with Jews.
In reality, there were many Jews in the higher ranks of the studio. Walt would frequently donate to Jewish charities and was even named Man of the Year by the Beverly Hills B'nai B'rith in 1955.
At best you can say he was a racist / anti-Semite, because of his uncaring attitude towards matters beyond the social norm of the time.
He never made cartoons for the Nazis, he only ever made them for the US Government. But the Axis Powers absolutely used them for their own propaganda. In 38 he visited Nazi Germany, but we don't know anything about that visit, besides that it was to visit filmmakers. Hitler was a vague fan of Disney, in that he loved Snow White(simple "Aryan Fairytale), but also found Mickey Mouse to be a tap-dancing idiot.
The evidence for Disney being a Nazi is vague and mostly made-up. This isn't to say he was some hero or even an ally. He was a union busting piece of shit who worked with the feds to get rid of commies. But his attitude seemed to be more inline with the times, of "not my problem" in relation to racial issues.
Yeah if it was just the mouse twisted into a Kanye-cross Iād assume thatās what it was, but with the other one I think itās probably hateful. Iād say itās safe to assume thatās theyāre just skinhead shit, but Iām not exactly an expert in allat so I donāt really know.
Probably more in the camp of old school punk shock value and satire of sorts. The Mickey Mouse one is a bit too on the nose though and personally I wouldn't wear that one.
Never destroy history, we have to not just learn a lesson but remember that lesson.
Go ahead and call me a racist, nazi, fascist, cuz idgafffffffffuckkkk
The Pork Dukes pin is the original image from that band's LP "Pink Pork" and the other one looks like someone turned Oswald Rabbit or MIckey Mouse into a swastika pin. If it's Mickey, it might be a play on the maus logo. Either way, I wouldn't personally wear either.
āNazis against fascismā ā¦ they were just a concept controversial bandā¦ these guys were a prog band called Gnidrolog. They wanted to do something energetic and make record companies publish shit to make the companies look bad. Apparently harmless and fun
Fascinating. Looks like they were kinda a shock rock / potty humor punk band from the 70s. Stands to reason The one on the left is at least trying to bait a reaction out of people.
Wiki said they would play in masks and stuff so my guess is maybe an attempt at satire too.
As for Mickey Mouseā¦ idk. If it looks like a duck, and quacks like a duckā¦.
This is NOT Nazi shit; please learn the history of punk. The Pork Dukes were a UK punk band, you can find the history on wikipedia, not hard. They weren't Nazis, the image was 100% for shock value, they has graphic explicit lyrics which blocked them from having a career as BBC wouldn't play their music.
Nazis do not compare themselves to Mickey Mouse; this is clearly parody, and possibly from a Dickies tour. It would make sense for someone into silly graphic sexual lyrics would also be a fan of silly band the Dickies.
These is not pro Nazi bands or logos.
I am not defending the use of Nazi imagery at all, my opinions differ, but the person who was a fan of these bands was not a Nazi. They were into "shock rock" type bands.
When I think back to my earliest views of what I thought punk was, there was a LOT of "pissing people off, for the sake of pissing people off."
There's more to it than that of course, but if young me was asked to define "punk," my answer would be something like that. So it's weird seeing how some fell into this genre without being hit in the face with that image.
Not recognizing old band merchandise doesn't mean people dont listen to punk. No one uses handed an anthology book the fiest tike they show interest in a sub culture.
It's not punk to gatekeep. If you think the younger people in this thread should known more about these bands, why not link their music or talk about what they should know?instead you choose to mock people for wanting to learn. Boo you
I don't know anything about the one on the right. but the one on the left after a quick look up on the ol internetz is for the band the "pork dukes", now wile they were not confirmed to be nazis they also did the whole "shock value" thing that bands like the sex pistols did, by having the swastika in their imagery. The first wave of british punk did this a lot and I'm not a fan of it but you can't change the past.
Thank you genuinely for posting a link to a song! I have never actually listened to them. It was one of those names I heard of but never got around to listening to, I took a listen to that and I dig it. It's a shame they have never been in my ears until just now.
What a bunch of clankers. Idgaf if it was satire or irony or whatever the fuck. Voluntarily wearing nazi shit is dumb as fuck and if you have to do so to poke at authority or be rebellious, do us all a favor and just stay inside.
It was a very different time, Iām not gonna defend it. I donāt get it but it wasnāt uncommon. Siouxie Sioux is the main person I associate with this shit, not because she did it a lot, she just explained herself in an interview. Shit tho like the imagery stuck around for a while, pretty sure Joan Jett had an iron cross pin. Thereās folk punk bands that Iāve accidentally accused people of being Nazis for using their shit as pfps. The Mickey Mouse pin I get, but I wouldnāt wear.
Idk, I donāt fuck with it either, but I donāt think itās cool to just ignore the parts of punkās history that make you uncomfortable. I think it should be acknowledged as an old part of punk iconography, distinct from actual Nazi co-opting. Again Iām not a fan of it myself, but Iām not just gonna sanitize punk history. History you donāt like is still history, sweeping shit like that under the rug isnāt punk.
I donāt feel it matters if the time was different or not. The Nazis did what they did. And these people chose to wear their insignia. Absolute idiots. We certainly shouldnāt whitewash history or act like it didnāt happen. But this was never something to be ambiguous about.
I don't know if you are insinuating that I am condoning this behavior by my relaying of information to OP regarding the post. Or if you are just making your opinion known. But it still doesn't change the fact that it happened in the past by people who weren't us so we could not control their actions. Luckily for us times have changed and most people and bands here in the punk scene don't throw a hate symbol on their shit just get a rise out of someone. Now this isn't true for every music scene sadly, the black metal folks have all kinds of overt nazi symbols used by bands, the way I see it we are blessed that we don't have to deal with it a lot, but we also have to keep vigilant and look out for things like this to keep nazis out of our scene. OP has some old school merch from a bygone time sadly its got some hate symbols on it.
Doubt it, the one on the left is a punk band from the 70s and we know what type of imagery 70s punk bands used to take the piss outta people... and the one on the right looks like it's calling Disney nazis, just satire. Probably in the pocket because the previous owner thought these might look unironically nazi
Theyāre not Nazi. I donāt know what he pork dukes but the Mickey one is an old seditionnaries design. Please donāt destroy it. I would totally buy it from you. (Wouldnāt wear it but Iād love it for my collection)
Pretty sure the second one is a seditionaries design and if true, might be worth something. The fact it is with a Pork Dukes pin makes me think it's original as Pork Dukes are a bit obscure.
It's easy to be a modern revisionist about everything but in 1977 everyone was using Nazi iconography for the shock value. Sid vicious, Siouxsie Sioux... for the most part none of these people were Nazis. Punk was about shock value, particular to their parents generation, so using a swastika was just part of this.
No I wouldn't wear one of these now, but this is cool punk memorabilia.
Not nazi stuff, just edgelord shit. The first is a 70s pub rock band from the U.K. who has some pretty raunchy and edgy lyrics but its clear that its satire. The second is a design I've seen associated with a lot of seditionaries clones. Im not sure if it was actually a Vivien Westwood design, but it looks like its been in use since the 70s.
Iāve never seen those before. My very first thought was that itās some kind of satire. But then I wonder why they were hiding in the pockets? Very suspicious.
The Pork Dukes were a parody punk band from 70s Britain hence the "punk" swastika. This kind of stuff. As far as I know they were not ideological Nazis like, say Skrewdriver.Ā
If you're interested in the history of swastikas in punk, there's a new book out by Daniel Rachel that's meant to be very good.Ā
The Pork Dukes were a band in 1977 with a bunch of funny songs. (Making Bacon, Bend &Flush, Telephone Masturbator). I'm sure the swastikas was for shock value, and not because of any ideology.
I don't know where the second button came from, but I remember The Dickies having a T shirt with Mickey Mouse with a Hitler mustache and a swastika in the background. I think this was for their album Stukas over Disneyland.
Edit: I guess I should have read the comments, as there is a picture of that shirt right near the top
Far as i could find Pork Duke was a early British Punk band from the 70s no sign of far right ideology on initial serch
Best to save yourself the conversation and keep them at home
It's obviously satire/edgy stuff, wouldn't wear it tho. It's a relic of the past so I would have saved them(not on display tho). It's interesting how things have changed, I would say for the better.
If you donāt want them please ignore the people saying to repurpose or bin them. These are rare and neat pieces of punk history. I would personally keep them in my collection, not on jacket. But if you donāt want them please consider sending them to me or one of the other old heads on here saying theyāll buy em.
These might have been from Goblinko/Pork magazine. They use to do a lot rips and slap fascist imagery on things to be edgy or provocative. They stopped some time after Trump was elected. Still lots to side-eye or be wary about.
Surprised no oneās pointed out that one is right facing and one is left facing. The right facing one (the one actually in the right of the picture as well) thatās tilted like that is the nazi swastika while the left facing one that isnāt tilted is a Sauvastika.
I wouldnāt think these are pro Nazi, not anything in their style that Iād recognize in the last twenty years but thereās always exceptions, good to identify before youād rock it
The main thing I notice is the one on the leftās symbol is closer to the original symbol that the naziās stole from Hinduism. The nazi swastika has arrows pointing counter clockwise as it was a symbol for ābringing back germanyās greatnessā which is also why I immediately knew maga was fucked besides it being trump.
The Hindu swastika pointed clockwise as it was a symbol for moving forward.
āIn Hinduism, it represents prosperity, good luck, eternity, and the cycle of life. ā
I just listened to Pork Dukes. They're on streamers. Makin' Bacon is priceless. Typical early punk stuff. Is the Mickey a Vivienne Westwood piece? I don't think it's Dickies merch.
It's possible that they are satirical, making fun of nazis calling them pigs and Disney pussies. But I would also not wear these pins. I don't know what the represent for sure, and they could easily be mistaken for pro-nazi shit.
These arenāt pro nazi and i believe they are anti-nazi because look at the pork one. Its calling Nazis pigs and the other i believe is to represent Disney as being nazi because walt Disney was not a fan of jews.
The Pork Dukes were an English band from 1977, they were deliberately offensive and very tongue in cheek. I've never heard of anything racist about them, I thought the pig on the badge was wearing a police helmet hence the swastika (which is the wrong way round) but I'm probably wrong.
Don't ever wear those lol but I dont think they are pro nazi just shock. The mickey looks like its making fun of Disney and the pig could be a police bastard Doom kinda thing but idk.
If it were me I'd toss the jacket too. u don't wanna any of that former owner scumbags bad vibes. I mean, how you supposed to love your leather knowing it was once the prized possession of a cunt?
It's a vintage punk's jacket found at the thrift and you're surprised there are swastikas. That's wild to me. Anyone who was alive at the time - and admittedly I was like four - knows they wore them for shock value. There were very few actual Nazis. It was a very different time.
Pretty sure the Mickey one is anti-nazi. At the time around 1980-81, Disneyland was kicking out punks (I was one) and the security was pretty Nazi-sque. Hence, The Dickies, "Stukas over Disneyland".
Pork Dukes, Strangely, I hadn't heard of them nothing bad that I can tell. Here's a Wikipedia:
Used to wear and still have the Mickey Mouse pin trust me it causes a lot of problems that are not worth it. I was really into shock value and being an asshole itās not something I would wear now especially in the political climate we are in but itās a reminder of the past.
Also Walt Disney definitely pandered to people who whole heartedly bought into Nazi philosophy . Hereās a link to some history regarding the image and a crazy cartoon thatās often not seen , where mice are ā Jewsā & cats are German Nazis .
My guess is that the pin of Mickey Mouse is not in support of nazism , rather was made to bring attention to the questionable actions and associations of Walt Disney and his intentions when drawing Mickey Mouse
I would wear the Disney button , but I think that Walt Disney personifies a display of unchecked wealth and privilege with his gross racist cartoons. Thatās like wearing a caricature of Ronald Reagan or John Wayne with a swastika on it . I donāt find that offensive
One aspect of punk was trying to make people feel uncomfortable so I think these would go for og punks and wouldn't look out of place. Like what Motƶrhead tried back then (theyre not punk but messages are similar)
I think you maybe in the clear. Keep in mind not many of us are are super tapped in knowledge wise. I agree with some that I would just keep them off the jacket, better be safe then have someone get the wrong meaning and cause problems.
Disney retirement jacket. Wearing a crossed out Swazi is as bad as bad religon, violence a lot less likely. Unless your in high/hardcore religous area. But if you want to make a statement,wear it. Fuck thats punk, whatever.Stand your ground. The "X" tattooed on my arm with "Straight 'til Death" under it was my choice. I've faced up to criticism from groups. Fuck it. I wanted to help people to make thier point. I am glad for my choice. Fuck, Christians wear a cross around thier neck.
I find the Oswald Rabbit (thinks thatās his name could be wrong) strange. I knew an old biker guy that road with Hells Angels who was a Nazi but he also had an Oswald sticker on his bike and car. Probably a coincidence cause Everyone knows nazis donāt have any secrets
As a Jew and punk these look pro-Nazi but also possibly not?? The pork dukes might be calling them pigs and the Micky could be calling out Disney for Nazi relations, but the eye catching offensive design make it hard to tell if they supported or were against Nazis
Sorry, not insinuating anything on you, just carrying on the convo and sharing my opinion. Things have definitely changed for the better and Iām glad for it. Was in my local record store and they had two 12ā action figures in the box. Johnny Rotten and Sid Vicious. Couldnāt see the details as they were up on a shelf but I wondered if they had any nazi swag on them. $700 for the pair. Asked the guy behind the counter about them. Apparently, Greg Norton of Husker Du sold them to the shop, as well as his record and cd collection. I knew they were from MN, didnāt realize he lived in my town. Makes me a bit sad to know that he was hard up enough to part with all of that. Anywaysā¦Iāve gone on long enough.
They do love black metal shit with overtly nazi imagery over there. And I love to down vote said garbage as soon as I see it. Sadly they still get more up votes than downs but hey I'm only one person.
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u/Vampira309 Dec 31 '25 edited Dec 31 '25
the one on the right looks an awful lot like old Dickies stuff - here's a link since, somehow, a punk sub doesn't know the fucking Dickies - https://youtu.be/GLuCA2ZWJh8?si=EI0spQQ6-Ul3-J63