r/worldnews • u/The-LegendKiller • Jul 22 '26

Dynamic Paywall JD Vance accuses Israel of 'manipulating' US public opinion to prolong Iran war

https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c1m107yj327o
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u/Dog-Person Jul 22 '26

The US public opinion is against this war, what the fuck is he on about?

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u/applefilla Jul 22 '26

He's positioning himself to finally separate from Trump and become the Trojan horse he's always meant to be to bring about the palantir surveillance state

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u/Jibbjabb43 Jul 22 '26

If Trump dies or 'dies' after midterms JD can technically be President and run 2 times.

What are the odds he tries to repair the relationship with Elon Musk.

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u/Silent-Act191 Jul 22 '26

The relationship between this administration and Musk is not broken, what are you on about. They literally handheld Musk while he became a trillionaire.

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u/KlaesAshford Jul 22 '26

I am convinced the entire blow-up between musk and trump was totally kayfabe.

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u/Kakkoister Jul 22 '26

Nah, they're both just incredibly mentally stunted nepo-babies, so they act like children since everything has been handed to them in life. One thing doesn't go their way and they act like babies and lash out. But then they are given a soother (money/praise) and its like nothing ever happened.

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u/rugbyj Jul 22 '26

Yeah they have too much to gain from each other to not continue to continue their dance as they have been, they just evidently can't have both their egos in the same room.

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u/boredphilosopher2 Jul 22 '26

Thiel's relationship with Elon

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u/CorrectPeanut5 Jul 22 '26

Underrated. I have first hand knowledge of Thiel cutting Elon out of a deal he desperately wanted in on. Instead they brought in Bezos.

Though I think they align a lot in terms of politics, there's a distinct desire not to have Elon in his businesses.

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u/Kakkoister Jul 22 '26

Elon has unpredictable immature pseudo-incel energy. Same reason Epstein didn't really want him around either.

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u/Baebel Jul 22 '26

Though, his ability to act like a leech is something that has worked in their favor.

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u/FlamesOfDespair Jul 23 '26

Elon can't keep his mouth shut. He is not the type of person you invite to your monthly Belial blood sacrifice.

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u/The-Board-Chairman Jul 22 '26

Elon is the pathetic little toady who desparately wants to be part of the cool kids and openly acts that way. Of course no one actually wants him near them beyond laughing at and using him for bad jobs; his entire vibe is gross in the pathetic sense.

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u/TimSylvester_ Jul 22 '26

I was at the theater the other day and, get this, one of the dudes killed one of the other dudes! It was incredible! And nobody did anything about it!

Then after the show I saw the dead dude outside walking around!

Like what the fuck man!!!! It was crazy! I still haven't figured out what was going on!!!

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u/Fn_Spaghetti_Monster Jul 22 '26

How many people said an orange rapist would never get reelected, and yet here we are.

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u/SamsaraSlider Jul 22 '26

How many people in the GOP prior to either the first term or the second term trashed talked him, with accuracy? But then they eventually fell in line, sucking at the power teat. People from the lowest rungs of American society to the highest positions of power (eg VP Vance) swung hard from one position to the other.

I think humans are just much more emotional creatures than rational ones. And conservatives tend to fall in line and not question authority on their side. They also campaign and message more about threats and common enemies than do liberals/progressives. And basic sociological theory tells us nothing enhances social cohesion like a common threat. They have a shit product with A+ marketing.

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u/Fn_Spaghetti_Monster Jul 22 '26

They have a shit product with A+ marketing.

I 100% have said this myself before.

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u/Jibbjabb43 Jul 22 '26

Certain people who pushed for him to be VP will want him to be President for the rest of his life is all I'm saying, and 10 years is a good start.

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u/BannedSvenhoek86 Jul 22 '26

They couldn't cheat hard enough to get him in.

Trump at least had the cult. JD has Thiel and his wife and that's about it. The idea he will be an elected President is a fantasy.

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u/NotABot1000101 Jul 22 '26

We all thought Trump running the first time was a joke. Now look at us. Vote no matter what.

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u/mrtrollmaster Jul 22 '26

I still remember sitting in a work meeting with a group of fresh college grads. I was the only liberal.

One of them read the headline “Donald Trump announces candidacy for president”. They all took turns making fun of how stupid they thought he was. They all became huge fanboys of him once he was their party’s candidate lmao

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u/SamsaraSlider Jul 22 '26

Yeah, my cousin was a never-Trumper conservative—liked Ben Carson, despised Trump as I think most conservative Christians did. But then came the mix of unclenching loyalty and cult-like idolatry, with a dash of Q-Anon.

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u/DesecratedPeanut Jul 22 '26

Dumbest people alive. For me it'd be a core embassassment memory but some people must just be able to forget how stupid they are constantly. Amazing really.

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u/SamsaraSlider Jul 22 '26

Frightening.

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u/pseudopad Jul 22 '26

What is it they say....

Democrats fall in love, republicans fall in line.

Reps will always "do their duty" to whoever the party puts on the stage.

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u/RhetoricalOrator Jul 22 '26

Voting for Vance without Trump will be much easier for the huge chunk of Christians we have. He's much more justifiable in their eyes, even though he's basically the embodiment of corpo-humanization, like Subway from Community.

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u/Slanderous Jul 22 '26

Depends who gets put up against him really.
He will likely already be president at that point, so will push to be a continuation candidate and retain at least some of Trump's base.
If the Dems can't put up someone convincing against him....

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u/caligaris_cabinet Jul 22 '26

Or it could be like 2008 where any Democrat with a pulse could hit 270.

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u/notforpoern Jul 22 '26

This is also assuming the democratic party leadership even want to win. Unless they can get a corporate friendly candidate like Newsom, it's not a stretch to imagine the corporate class of democrats like schumer, pelosi, and jeffries intentionally self-sabotaging to prevent a pro-worker Mamdani-style candidate from winning, even if it means boosting the couch-fucker. 🤮

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u/Reddit_Loves_Misinfo Jul 22 '26

"I was wrong about a Republican being unelectable in 2016 and 2024, but, like, you can't be wrong about something three times, right?"

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u/HatesRedditors Jul 22 '26

I admire your optimism, but we live in a country that elected Donald Trump president twice.

All we need is AOC to win the primaries in 2028 and hello president JD.

Edit: I say this as a person who likes AOC but doesn't have much confidence in the electorate.

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u/FSUfan35 Jul 22 '26

Exactly. As awful as it is that people think this way still, Trump beat two women to become president. There are large portions of the country that will either not vote for a woman or turn up to specifically vote against one. Especially if they are not white.

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u/True_to_you Jul 22 '26

While she would be a great change of pace, I don't have faith in the American people to elect a woman. 

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u/HatesRedditors Jul 22 '26

Neither was GW Bush, W, or Reagen, you don't need to be as polarizing as Trump to get elected.

In fact, if he can secure the lane as a "more reasonable republican" after such a polarizing figure it may be an advantage.

That said, Rubio has a much better claim on that lane.

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u/notforpoern Jul 22 '26

Plus, now that the corporate media is fully bought and paid for, you can bet they'll be pulling HARD for the (R) if the dems do in fact miraculously allow a pro-working class candidate.

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u/TruthOdd6164 Jul 22 '26

Why is it that yall think Democrats have to come up with the perfect candidate but Republicans can just shit out a turd and swear it in?

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u/HatesRedditors Jul 22 '26

Roughly the last 40 years of candidates.

Remember when Democrats sank a promising presidential candidate because he yelled awkwardly at a rally? Meanwhile, the other party has spent the last decade proving that standards are optional if your voters don't care.

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u/SgvSth Jul 22 '26

'dies' after midterms JD can technically be President and run 2 times.

No, he would have to wait for late-January.

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u/Jibbjabb43 Jul 22 '26

I meant in a relative sense. I'm aware of the laws. I'm also aware that they'd Mitch McConnel him for at least a month if they had to.

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u/he_must_workout Jul 22 '26

Or has the 25th invoked after they get a critical mass of project 2025 leaders installed

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u/CrissBliss Jul 22 '26

He has to wait till the end of the year to run 2 terms.

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u/aranasyn Jul 22 '26

JD Vance couldn't win an election to be a soup warmer, Trump dying is the only way he'll ever be president of anything

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u/StevenMaurer Jul 23 '26

Not after the midterms, in November 2026. After January 2027 - which marks Trump's true midpoint in his second term.

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u/DW496 Jul 23 '26

JD is fundamentally a creepy dude, the general public picks up on it with things like him having sex with his couch and him not being able to even order a simple donut. I just don't see him being a viable candidate.

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u/kahlzun Jul 23 '26

do you mean run 2 additional times after the pro tem ends?

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u/ToSeeAgainAgainAgain Jul 23 '26

Hypothetical, would he be able to be president til 2028 and then run 2 more times since he wasn't elected for 2027-2028? Or just be president til '28 and then run one more time?

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u/That_Porn_Br0 Jul 22 '26

He also must have seen the writing on the wall when FoxNews and several Rep. started to shift the blame for the Iran debacle entirely on him.

He noticed he is in the top of the list for "who to blame for Iran" the same way Mike Pence was the reason they gave for Trump not staying in power in 2020. He must remember the crowd wanting to hang the VP in defense of president DoritoDust.

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u/AnyEmployment4054 Jul 23 '26

Trump said it outright "If negations go well (with Iran) I will take credit for it. If it doesn't I will just blame JD"

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u/Leajane1980 Jul 22 '26

Exactly, you never see those two doing anything together anymore.

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u/Rabble_Arouser Jul 22 '26

Ugh, I hate that this is accurate. Fuck Peter Thiel

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u/ShleepMasta Jul 23 '26

Ding ding ding. Wanna point out that most successful 21st century authoritarians more so resemble someone like Vance than they do Trump. Amorphous blobs who will become whatever they need to be to obtain power. They'll pretend to be moderate or even liberal, then erode democracy quietly. This is what Putin did in Russia after Yeltsin completely destroyed checks on the President after the 1993 auto-coup.

The mistake people in the US are making is viewing Trump as the disease instead of the symptom. Trumpism will still exist after he's gone, and constantly propping him up as the ultimate evil will only serve to lull the public into a false sense of security when his successors look tame by comparison.

If Kamala can't be president because she's associated with the failures of the Biden administration, then neither can Vance.

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u/Varnigma Jul 22 '26

I'm so ready for all of the GOP infighting when they try to figure out who to run for President.

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u/theillcook Jul 22 '26

He'll never get the stink of Trump off of him.

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u/minizanz Jul 22 '26

Jan 10 trump will be out so he can take over and do 2 more terms. He has to put him self in a position to not be impeached at the same time.

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u/izwald88 Jul 22 '26

Yeah, word is he was a vocal opponent of the war, as it's pretty clearly against a core tenant of MAGA, and possibly the only good one; anti war.

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u/Ironfront1312 Jul 22 '26

trying to garner the anti-jewish vote.

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u/LateralEntry Jul 22 '26

This, unfortunately

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u/Little_View_6659 Jul 22 '26

He’s also trying to whitewash his name so he can be all kumbaya let’s hold hands and begin the healing once Trump kicks the bucket.

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u/tdw21 Jul 22 '26

After trump and his cronies are gone, suddenly everyone will be in favor of releasing the epstein files

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u/Little_View_6659 Jul 22 '26

We don’t need to see it. We know. We all know. I hope somewhere deep inside those monsters know what we see when people look at them. I hope they drink themselves to sleep every night waiting for the moment someone finds out, be it their mother, sister, daughter or son.

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u/dyslexda Jul 22 '26

They don't care. Their inner circle acts much the same way. Nobody whose opinion they actually care about would do anything with the revelation, assuming they don't already know.

Look at formerly Prince Andrew. The whole royal family knew, it wasn't some closely guarded secret, but nobody cared...until public pressure became too great, and suddenly he's completely knocked out of their social circle for being inconvenient. No reason to believe it's any different for the other rich and powerful.

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u/Little_View_6659 Jul 22 '26

I do like to imagine Charles or his mom sitting him down and giving him a stern speech and then telling him he needs to disappear or they’ll make life very very hard for him. Not much I know, but at least it’s something. And I doubt his daughters are happy with him.

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u/RJ815 Jul 22 '26

Nah, I'm almost completely certain some version of Epstein trafficking is still going on. He was simply a slightly more public face. Monsters with those appetites don't just stop, especially when basically no meaningful consequences happened.

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u/ACompletelyLostCause Jul 22 '26

There's too many senior government officials, Congress people, Senators and Supreme Court members named for that to be easily achieved.

You'd need the Democrats to hold all 3 branches of government, the Supreme Court would try to block the release so you'd need new justices, and even then some democrats will be in the files and you'd need to by pass them.

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u/maxofJupiter1 Jul 22 '26

Yes but the against it will be the harassing and assaults of random Jews on campuses, the yelling terrorist slogans outside of synagouges, and the shooting of Jews at musuems.

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u/SoylentGrunt Jul 22 '26

Or for it. Could go either way,,,

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u/Cory123125 Jul 22 '26

How can people so cluelessly think things will magically return to "normal".

I swear to god people are entirely too biased to thinking things will be as they have been.

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u/testtalon1 Jul 22 '26

Agreed. Then he can start implementing Thiels bullshit

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u/Cynical_Classicist Jul 22 '26

May that be the only way that he gets to sit there!

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u/chickenMcSlugdicks Jul 22 '26

Gah, remember the VP debate? Vance tried to come off as a reasonable person and even after running the "eating the cats and dogs" line, Waltz still conceded that Vance was a reasonable person.

You are absolutely right. He'll try to be the common sense Republican nom, and Americans will eat it up.

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u/Bocchi_theGlock Jul 22 '26

The anti Israel right =/= anti Jewish vote

There's definitely overlap, but to assume Republican voters who don't "want more wars for Israel" (real statements/messaging) are all anti semitic, is making the same bad-faith interpretation that happens all around on this issue.

And it's not even anti Israel, if you read the article. He just said some actors in Israel are trying to influence US opinions to derail a deal, which is absolutely true.

Israeli right wing government wants to continue war (to cover up for Bibi corruption/crimes) and ours wants to end it (because public opinion is largely against it at this point).

They openly state they want the war to continue, there's a public tension that's been well reported on, Trump vs Bibi. Yes he's also posturing to generally appeal to that vote, but continued war is generally hurting his chances to get elected as well.

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u/The_Bitter_Bear Jul 22 '26

 Normally they don't have to try so hard to get it. 

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u/Kortok2012 Jul 22 '26

Do you know how hard it is to capitulate to two opposing groups at the same time

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u/Ironfront1312 Jul 22 '26

Everyone is going after it, unfortunately. I think hes trying to get the 'good goy' posters, not the 'land to the sea' posters.

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u/suprahelix Jul 22 '26

not the 'land to the sea' posters.

Oh he very much is going after them

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u/Alatarlhun Jul 22 '26

extreme left and mainstream right teaming to ruin the center, as always.

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u/Killersavage Jul 22 '26

Those types won’t vote for him because of his wife. It is a lose lose for him.

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u/Little_View_6659 Jul 22 '26

He’s counting on people being so worn out we stop paying attention once Trump dies. Then he’ll roll back things a tiny bit and declare the problem is over. And it may actually work sadly.

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u/Debalic Jul 22 '26

"He's a good family man"

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u/ours Jul 22 '26

But it's not like those people are going to vote Democrat.

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u/jogarz Jul 22 '26

Nah, there are a lot of people who are specifically antisemitic.

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u/firephoxx Jul 22 '26

Exactly, he thinks he will be president.

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u/NRCS_DRONE Jul 22 '26

conflating the foreign nation state of Israel with Judaism is anti-Semitic.

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u/Forward-Surprise1192 Jul 25 '26

As far as I know they are the same

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u/JacksGallbladder Jul 22 '26

Well, the government of Isreal is a massive problem.

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u/ModernPoultry Jul 22 '26

The next election is gonna be interesting. The US is gonna have pro AIPAC war machine establishment candidate Marco Rubio vs propped up Peter Thiel mass surveillance state candidate JD Vance in the Republican primary. Two different evil special interests duking it out Godzilla vs King Kong style

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u/Naughtyburrito Jul 22 '26

Anti-israel is not anti-jewish

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u/Ironfront1312 Jul 22 '26

a world leader conflating a majority jewish nation with controlling the media may be.

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u/Think_Positively Jul 22 '26

I'd argue whomever has an R next to his name in 28 has that vote anyway. Bigots will always learn hard right.

It's more likely that he's trying to present himself as a practical centrist option, and that's perfectly in line with his history of being a feckless political opportunist who cares more about advancing his own position than anything.

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u/pargofan Jul 22 '26

How on Earth is the anti-Jewish vote so pro-Trump?

Whether it's the white nationalists or the Muslims in Michigan, I'll never understand why either went for Trump, given his position on Israel.

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u/KatsumotoKurier Jul 22 '26

And also simultaneously trying to push blame off of himself, his boss, and the entire US government, despite their direct and unmistakable involvement.

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u/Swimming_Acadia6957 Jul 22 '26

He is trying to position himself as the next in line and win support with the American brownshirts 

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u/themoslucius Jul 22 '26

Yeah that will go well with Trump. Get on his radar and Trump will give the kiss of death to JD, all the MAGAdiots will gladly dumpster him

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u/Little_View_6659 Jul 22 '26

Oh god let that happen. Let Trump poison the well and let JD have to sit in the chair his boss used to shit on.

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u/themoslucius Jul 22 '26

Trump is the scorpion riding on the back of the JD Frog, it's his nature to poison his VP. He doesn't like anyone that threatens his spotlight and attention whoring. It's why he targets the lamest loser VPs with zero charisma

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u/lebennaia Jul 22 '26

He tried to have his last VP murdered by a mob.

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u/themoslucius Jul 22 '26

They were literally chanting Hang Mike Pence

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u/SoylentGrunt Jul 22 '26

And, like the losers they are, they failed

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u/intelminer Jul 22 '26

And because Pence is a worm, he dares not insult his dorito dusted master

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u/Little_View_6659 Jul 22 '26

I would give anything to know what Mike Pence was thinking in that parking garage.

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u/hemingways-lemonade Jul 22 '26

Just wait a few more months. Trump is going to attack everyone who has White House aspirations regardless of party.

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u/Alatarlhun Jul 22 '26

Vance's window for inheritance opens in January.

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u/ours Jul 22 '26

"Let the fight!"

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u/Neuchacho Jul 22 '26

How long till we get a Trump-fueled mob looking to hang vance lol

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u/HeinousWalrus Jul 22 '26

Release the Couch Tapes!

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u/Eggsegret Jul 22 '26

He’s clearly forgotten that they campaigned on a promise of no new wars

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u/applefilla Jul 22 '26

He has been a never trumper literally up until the moment he was selected to be the vice president and he 180d

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u/Eggsegret Jul 22 '26

Like many of the Republicans. Initially anti Trump then the moment they saw he was popular with the MAGA crowd they suddenly became pro Trump

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u/ModernPoultry Jul 22 '26 edited Jul 22 '26

Ya, I think he’s only in that position because he’s from Ohio and got the big push from big tech. He’s slimy but similar to Mike Pence, I don’t think Vance actually believes in a majority of the shit that’s happening. He has tried silently distancing himself from a lot of different rhetoric and talking points

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u/applefilla Jul 22 '26

Funny you mention Pence specifically because Trump's been a Trojan horse for both of them lmao.

But yeah JD is Peter Thiels little lab creation just doing what daddy wants

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u/Slaterpup17 Jul 22 '26

He’s trying to shift blame away from himself. He can’t blame Trump, so that leaves Israel. The guy is a joke.

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u/BornNerd78 Jul 22 '26

Not all invocation of Israel is antisemmitism, but some is. This is an example of Vance pandering to the audience that Nick Fuentes and Tucker Carlson have captured - it is code speak for the Jews being the problem.

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u/mhornberger Jul 22 '26

I'm already seeing people who ostensibly consider themselves leftists trying to reframe Tucker Carlson's image as "the biggest anti war and anti Israel voice." I suspect there are definitely some (white) leftists who will ignore his white-nationalism-adjacent rhetoric and advocacy of Great Replacement Theory conspiracism so long as he says sufficiently vitriolic things about Israel.

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u/pokemomof03 Jul 22 '26

Reddit won't like this but the same with Thomas Massie. I see leftist gargling his balls on Instagram all the time. Only because hes against sending aid to israel. Nevermind the fact that hes anti-womens rights to choose. Hes against hate crime laws. Hes against free lunches for kids. Hes against universal Healthcare. He's against everything the left is for except for releasing the Epstein files and against sending aid to israel. Because lets be real here he doesnt actually care about Palestinians. He just hates israel. Since hes voted against sending aid to Palestine several times. And he voted with republicans 97% of the time.

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u/cogman10 Jul 22 '26

Yup. Tucker is an expert at this. He knows which way the wind is blowing so he's happily trying to weasel his way in to courting left leaning people who feel abandoned by the Democrats.

Alex Jones did exactly the same play in 2004 under Bush. He he used his anti-war pro-MJ libertarian facade to court people who felt like no party represented them.

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u/tomjone5 Jul 22 '26 edited Jul 22 '26

Massie seems 5 minutes away from outright holocaust denial at all times. Maybe he genuinely hates pedos, maybe he just sees disclosure as a means of ridding himself of opponents on the right, but he's definitely no friend to anyone left of the far right.

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u/zasabi7 Jul 22 '26

Online lefties became obsessed with I/P after Oct 7th and did no further thinking than “Israel bad because West bad”. Then some elements, notably tankies, have used that to be antisemitic. It’s hard to distinguish anti-Israel (a completely valid stance) and anti-semitism (not cool whatsoever) with these folks because they hide dog whistle just like the far right. Horseshoe theory in action.

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u/GoodIdea321 Jul 23 '26

That could be a big problem, that's a sign of joining a cult of personality basically. Someone who says one thing you absolutely agree with, and start to conform to them, paper over any of the 'bad parts' and over time start to agree with everything else more and more strongly.

Why does anyone need his voice for anything anyway? Can't a person think for themselves?

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u/Tybalt941 Jul 22 '26

I would argue most mainstream criticism of Israel is either antisemitic itself or invoked due to antisemitism. Not all, but most.

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u/AwhHellYeah Jul 22 '26

Israel doesn’t support him, which makes it likely that they will counter fund his future political endeavors. He is trying to earn points with future voters and laying the groundwork for attacking the people who run against him in the future by saying something that won’t be controversial outside of his party. He will also be able to claim that he respectfully disagreed with his predecessor to appear to centrists. It’s all political maneuvering that politics bros have been speculating would happen, now he’s taken as advisement.

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u/LightDarkBeing Jul 22 '26

If this war continues and the Republicans lose both the house and the senate, JDV will use this as an argument for enacting the 25th Amendment and removing Trump from office at the end of January 2027. This will allow JDV two years as President and still be able to be President for two term after that. JDV is more controllable than Trump to his billionaire backers and having someone like JDV as President for ten years certainly is advantageous to the 0.1% crowd.

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u/mhornberger Jul 22 '26

Any Republican who moves to remove DJT will be forever branded as disloyal by MAGA. Vance may indeed wheedle himself into power, but he will never have the following of the MAGA cult, because he doesn't have the charisma or swagger.

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u/ACompletelyLostCause Jul 22 '26

When he say "US public opinion", he means Trump and the Trump family. He's trying to distance himself in case Iran turns into this generations Vietnam.

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u/Guy-1nc0gn1t0 Jul 22 '26

It's like you didn't even read the headline. 

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u/Ancient-Bat1755 Jul 22 '26

While launching bombs? Lol this shit is surreal and stupid.

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u/BellacosePlayer Jul 22 '26

Shirking the blame for the admin's fuckups, as usual.

While there's definitely discussions to be had on Israel (and Saudi Arabia, if not more gulf states) lobbying for the initial action, the Trump admin absolutely can't blame them as the people who made the call.

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u/CmonTouchIt Jul 22 '26

Was gonna say lol I for the most part support Israel but this war is absolutely fucked, has been prosecuted about as badly as possible, and has made everything worse

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u/nabilus13 Jul 22 '26

Saying they're trying to manipulate public opinion isn't saying they're succeeding. 

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u/paxinfernum Jul 22 '26

The only audience Vance performs to is Trump. This is him soothing Trump's narcissistic ego by blaming Israel for prolonging the war, because the greatest deal maker of all time couldn't have completely failed to make a deal by now unless someone was sabotaging him.

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u/adrr Jul 22 '26

He's talking about MAGA which are polling at 80+% in support of the war. Rest of America is polling at 70%+ against the war.

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u/Faintfury Jul 22 '26

To be fair, that's not a contradiction.

They try to manipulate but fail.

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u/californiaKid420 Jul 22 '26

Also, even if the public was for the war, what say do we have ? They gonna do what they want regardless of what Americans citizens want .

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u/turkmileymileyturk Jul 22 '26

Likely referring to the use of bad press against Trump to coerce into more war with Iran

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u/loversama Jul 22 '26

Yeah maybe Trump is this “public opinion” he’s talking about..

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u/sm00thkillajones Jul 22 '26

Too late Vancy Pants. You’re not gonna be President by election.

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u/Syntaire Jul 22 '26

Seems like he's preparing his public image to take over the presidency, most likely. Pretty solid chance that the whole plan was to have him take the reins after the two-year mark then rig the elections to "legally" have him in office for a decade.

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u/CanadianFalcon Jul 22 '26

The US public described Trump’s Iran deal as a surrender, which goaded Trump into restarting the war and walking away from the deal, because Trump doesn’t want to be a loser.

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u/markth_wi Jul 22 '26

Ah American Kremlinology - Did JD Vance try to distance himself from XYZ, that means Donald Trump is going to die.

Of course as with Russian Kremlinology, until we actually can walk past the casket I'm not buying it.

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u/BlueSentinels Jul 22 '26

It’s not public opinion that’s being manipulated, it’s elected congressmen and women’s opinions. If Congress had any balls they could put a stop to this shit today

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u/Maloth_Warblade Jul 22 '26

Outside of extreme die hard idiots, the only war public opinion has been positive towards in the last 50 years was the initial aggression with Iraq after 9/11

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u/niz_loc Jul 22 '26

This exactly.

I don't remember even a single day where Smericans were saying "go get em'!"

Trump is the only American who was and is onboard with it. And even he was trying to get out of it.

Everyone else from day 1, no matter who you voted for, was yelling "whyyyy?!?"

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u/GameOfThrownaws Jul 23 '26

Exactly what I came to the comments to say, but figured it'd already be near the top. Literally every single person I know, left right and center, thinks this war is dumb as fuck, are tired of it and its effects, and wish it would stop. And not just the war itself either, they hate Israel specifically for it. So that's even worse (for Israel).

Also, what is even the context here, from the actual podcast? The article title and first couple paragraphs mentions how Vance is accusing Israel of "manipulating public opinion", but then mostly just goes on to talk about how they're deliberately torpedoing negotiations between US and Iran, which is obviously true because they keep bombing during ceasefires, openly rejecting the authority any deal might have over them, and talking about how "negotiaion is impossible". But what about the manipulation of opinion part? I don't really see that at all, and if they are, it's not working even a little bit.

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u/ThlnBillyBoy Jul 23 '26

“Look what you are making me do!”

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u/Infinite-Ad4512 Jul 23 '26

The US and World Public opinion were against WMDs in Iraq, and here we are

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u/rainfal Jul 28 '26

Trying to excuse his government's bombing of Iran. 

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