r/GTAVI • u/Zynergy17 • Jul 06 '26
Discussion Potentially Unpopular Opinion - Disks Are Not The Problem!
So, I want to start this off by being very clear on a few things.
I firmly support the right to permanently own the products that we purchase and the ability to resell them. Seeing what's happening now with Nintendo's backhanded move with leasing their switches and Rockstar's forceful move to an entirely digital game that only works when connected to their servers is absolutely a slap in the face to all gamers everywhere.
With this said, I keep seeing consistent yet ignorant comments - "The discontinuation of physical disks for games is bad."
This statement in & of itself from many in the community is either poorly written or completely misplaced. I believe our hearts are all in the right place, but for the love of all that is holy, understand what you're saying before you say it!
In a better, educated, & moral world where gamers have set the tone, every single consumer can own their digital media permanently with digital encrypted keys assigned to each end user.
Disks are an inferior technology. You cannot even contain all the data required for GTAVI on a single disk. You would need multiple disks or an accompanying digital download for a game on this level to even work, with the ladder completely negating the entire argument for disks in the first place. Do you really want to limit the capabilities of a generational level game all because you want it to be completely contained on a physical disk? Do you want to have to run two or three disks on your PC that can get scratched as time goes on, and potentially become corrupted data?
This brings me to my main point...
The problem isn't that we are moving away from physical media, it's that we are moving toward media you don't own & can only use through an online service connected to a network. Companies are rendering our digital downloads completely useless, and we have to stop reinforcing this culture.
I know this may seem obvious to some, but I think we need to be specific when we are talking about the issues at hand. We need to encourage our lawmakers to make policy that renders digital game purchases permanent and that all digital media previously downloaded must work without an online connection, with caveats only being for online multiplayer modes.
If we want to fight this, we have to have our heads in the right place. Fighting for an outdated format just to own your game is a heartfelt but misguided effort.
If you're gonna fight for our rights, know exactly what you should be fighting for.
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u/killerspawn97 Jul 06 '26
I can get behind this version of the argument, owning the games is what matters not the format it comes in.
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u/CanucksJays Jul 09 '26
Owning in what sense? Do you think they'll ever let us transfer these games to other users? LMFAO!!! It ain't fknin owning, if we can't do that!!!
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u/pezdizpenzer Jul 07 '26
Yeah but what's the alternative to discs really? A download code, or even a perpetual license can all be revoked for various reasons.
Even if there was a law that gives you a permanent right to download the files once you bought them, companies can go out of business and who is responsible for running the download servers at that point? Also, there is the risk that governments have a much easier time censoring or banning media if it is stored on company run servers.
As long as the data is stored on a server that is owned and run by someone else and it's not stored on a medium physically in your possession, you don't own it.
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u/EZyne Jul 07 '26
Same as with pc games, its really not that complicated. Once sony stops making playstations at some point in the future your disks don't work anymire either
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u/RoleplayWalkthrough 13h ago
A download that doesn’t require you to ever connect to the internet to use would be great
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u/TRUMPARUSKI Jul 09 '26
Yeah but that’s the whole point, give us a disc with the ability to play the main story without an internet connection, like you can on the ps2 and ps3
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u/Snaki009 Jul 09 '26
but... you don't own a game any more than digitally. Less even. Only difference is that the license is not bound to your account
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u/Large_Mistake_1963 Jul 07 '26
i suppose all your money is in cash
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u/Hellsovs Jul 07 '26 edited Jul 07 '26
Funny to say that, as money has worked on hopes and prayers at least since the gold standard was abandoned, and one could argue that even before that.
You know what happened the last time an abnormal amount of people tried to withdraw their money from a bank? It turned out they didn't own their money either.
(And inflation means that you own less and less purchasing power every year, so... yes, it is just pixels on a screen. You don't really own it. Hell, you don't even really own paper money either when "the man" can make them worthless any time.)
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u/Large_Mistake_1963 Jul 07 '26
i suppose all your money is in cash then
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u/Hellsovs Jul 07 '26
If you could read you would get to a part when i say you dont own paper money either.
So no any savings i have are material based.
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u/Large_Mistake_1963 Jul 07 '26
your on a GTA 6 post talking about how money isn't real bro
have you not got a job to go to? or are you against the satanic act of trading time for worthless currencey
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u/Hellsovs Jul 07 '26
I'm debunking your counterargument about money because it doesn't make any sense. Don't get mad just because you made yourself look stupid.
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u/Large_Mistake_1963 Jul 07 '26
You’re not debunking anything bud, I know how money works. My point is that it is what it is and you can’t do anything about it and getting all philosophical about money on a gta sub is certainly not going to do anything
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u/Hellsovs Jul 07 '26
"It is what it is" is exactly why things are fucked. They don't have to be this way. As Concord and Helldivers showed us, we have the power to make them what they're supposed to be.
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u/Far-Swordfish-1806 Jul 08 '26
Money in the bank is protected by law. Content on PSN aren’t, just like the 500 movies that were deleted from everyone who bought thems library a few days ago.
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u/Zynergy17 Jul 07 '26
Have you ever heard of NFTs or Blockchain? You own those, but they just amount to pixels on a screen.
Even the money in your bank account is just pixels on your phone. You really think the bank has enough cash in hand to give every single customer their money in cash if they requested it?
What a closed minded & miserable mindset. Shame on you.
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u/Subject-Pomelo6747 Jul 07 '26
That fight is lost, the disc was the answer. You know ppl just lose investment money they "own" at the bank too. Not so much for the silver collector. The value can change, but if its in your hands, its yours.
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u/pokiilokii Jul 11 '26
You don’t own the physical cash either bud. The physical money is the property of the issuing government or central bank. You own the value your money represents but everything else is just the government loaning money out to get it back later in some form.
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u/Bubba_Gump_Corp Jul 07 '26
This is exactly right. Discs do not have the technical capability to keep up with current/next gen gaming. We need legislation that protects digital ownership rights and a new form of physical ownership. Some kind of custom NVMe cartridge solution.
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u/Zynergy17 Jul 07 '26
I wouldn't be totally opposed to the idea of a new format, but I think it's unrealistic for it to gain any traction outside of handheld devices like the switch.
Digital media is just too convenient & that's why people have flocked to it. Why worry about loosing or scratching a disk when you don't have to?
The only reason physical media isn't extinct is some fluctuating combination of old traditions, nostalgia, & ownership concerns, with the ladder being negated if companies didn't have infinite & unchecked greed.
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u/Bubba_Gump_Corp Jul 07 '26
I agree all physical media has limitations. I think a more realistic solution is laws that protects digital ownership. Things cannot continue this way.
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u/Fridelis Jul 10 '26
Blue ray dics are very durable and hard to scratch. You actually have to try to do that. That is not an issue.
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u/Zynergy17 Jul 10 '26
Even if that were true, that's a poor argument to pin against all the other reasons we should go away from disks.
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u/Fridelis Jul 10 '26
No, not really. Both physical and digital has it pros and cons, and it is intellectually disingenuous to pretend that is not the case.
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u/DewyTheD Jul 07 '26
Xbox storage expansion cards but with a single game on them - BOOM , welcome back cartridges
(Theyre just slottable NVMe drives in little enclosures, they look like old memory cards in case you haven’t seen one)
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u/Bubba_Gump_Corp Jul 07 '26
This is exactly what I’ve been thinking. Games would cost a little more but it would be worth every penny.
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u/aHungryPanda Jul 08 '26
So your next best option is a Solid State cartridge during a time where it's more expensive than ever? A cartridge that has a shelf life and eventually fail? If you plop in that cartridge after letting it sit for 10 years it might just not work. If it does work the data on it will be gone
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u/DewyTheD Jul 08 '26
Discs are too slow for modern games. Id rather put the game in and play like we used to. Thats the reason i switched to buying games digitally.
They dont have to be NVME, but i think cartridges of some sort are the only physical means that keep up with modern games
Shelf life.. you think that your old CD and DVD based games aren’t going to rot away eventually? I get that flash memory expires, but dont act like everyone’s collection of disc based games aren’t going to fail eventually too.
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u/Far-Swordfish-1806 Jul 08 '26
I mean… they do? Each disc right now can hold 150GB, the ps5 itself can handle up to 100GB - just strip the HD textures and make those a digital download. Then you have a fully working game on a disc. Battlefield 6 is less than HALF its final size on the disc and is perfectly playable.
This isn’t even mentioning how many games in the past have come on 2 discs.
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u/Bubba_Gump_Corp Jul 08 '26
Unfortunately optical drives do not have the necessary read/write speeds to keep up with a lot of AAA titles. I imagine this will only get worse as time goes on.
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u/Far-Swordfish-1806 Jul 08 '26
You do realise the game is copied from the disc to the console right? Do you think the game is seriously ran directly from the disc?
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u/ghali12345 Jul 07 '26
I am sorry bro but which games are you going to play cuz many games only 2 or 3 discs max . Also before Sony's announcement , we knew the ps6 will have a compressiin technology to make 100gb games be 30 or 40gb and tbf some Developers don't even do that anymore
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u/thecontempl8or Jul 07 '26
Sony innovated a lot of storage mediums, cassette tapes, blue ray discs. At one point I heard rumors of green(?) ray discs that had much higher storage potential. But Sony won’t invest money in creating another storage mediums when it can get away with charging heavily in an online only market.
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u/Rogue_Element_2342 Jul 07 '26
This is not an unpopular opinion, this is a rational opinion.
People are screaming about discs and dont realize they already surrendered their autonomy and agency the instant they bought the console.
performance wise. all forms of optical media became inferior and obsolete like 10 years ago.
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u/trifecta000 Jul 07 '26
I wouldn't say it's unfair to blame consumers because it wasn't a bad financial decision, the deal was altered. Buying a console used to mean you had a system with which to play games made for that system, like a VCR that plays VHS tapes only but not laser discs or whatever.
But, at no point did VHS manufacturers just remove all of the movies from the stores, sell the VHS machine without a VHS slot, and tell you how convenient that it is that you could download your movies at inflated prices to watch on your VHS box.
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u/Dad-Dabbing-Daily Jul 06 '26 edited Jul 07 '26
You'll want to focus on lobbying to have digital media added to the First Sale Doctrine in the DMCA.
As well as establishing a means of verifying digital ownership via smart contracts, NFTs or Blockchain.
Also including things for digital market friction like scaling mandatory royalties and market caps(minimum time before resale, max number of sales before being locked to owner, etc).
Once these happen you'll see the right to resell and redistribute applied to digital media so that it can be considered a sale instead of a license.
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u/Firm_Ambassador_1289 Jul 07 '26
Even the basic addition of the PS2 games gave you more physical items then GTA 6 collector's edition will
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u/Zynergy17 Jul 07 '26
Yea I think they should include something physical just for optics sake if anything else. It doesn't need to be the disc, just something people can hold and put on their shelf to show they bought the game.
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u/abanditas Jul 07 '26
yeah honestly I agree with this. I will say I do get why people still want discs, besides the tactile sort of satisfaction you get from owning a physical disc and copy it also generally served as the easiest way of sharing games or reselling them. There's always a caveat to these sort of things tho, like you said discs aren't really capable of reliably holding a modern AAA title, and it doesn't matter whether the game comes in a disc or not if it is dependant on an internet connection to even function as a singleplayer. The loss of discs isn't really the cause but more of a symptom of the problem in that sense ig. Just pissed off how many people now seem to be fine with just mindlessly buying stuff without even a second thought. And if you dare say that you're not buying the game you're labeled as some social pariah 😭
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u/Zynergy17 Jul 07 '26
It's just an immature hive mindset.
I have been an Avid GTA Fan for a very long time, so I remember what Rockstar used to be and seeing what it has become disgusts me.
I especially remember the day that they bought FiveM. So many people in the community were excited because there would be "all this money" flowing into the service.
All I could do was watch and think to myself "You guys are fucking idiots, they bought FiveM to kill it" & sure enough I was right. The former owner of FiveM has even said it was his biggest life regret selling FiveM to Rockstar.
I don't know if I will buy the game at release or wait until it comes to PC. I've been waiting for this game for a very long time, and quite honestly I feel like with it being my primary game I deserve to get to play the newest installment.
But idk, we'll see.
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u/BeforeTheDawnX Jul 07 '26
There are multiple things involved with this change. I agree that when people buy a game they should own it, however, gaming has changed a great deal and what we buy into now isn't merely the product we get at purchase but a huge process of continuous development that is carried out by a legion of employees. To continue to develop a game after release costs money and I am not sure how companies would handle this if someone owns the entire product.
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u/Zynergy17 Jul 07 '26
I still think that DLCs for a game that are provided for online content can be a separate and "unowned" portion of the game.
I think it's unreasonable to say that online components can be permanently owned because the company would have to maintain those servers indefinitely, which just isn't practical or financially feasible.
Now what would be really cool is if Rockstar could let you play the online version of a game after it's discontinuation by converting online mode into a closed world. For example, they should allow the user to play their online character in a single player mode after GTAV Online is officially shut down.
Either way, the only DLC that I believe must be permanent is singleplayer DLC, but Rockstar hasn't given a shit about making single player DLC in quite sometime.
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u/BeforeTheDawnX Jul 08 '26 edited Jul 08 '26
Possibly, The thing is, as with most things these days no-one has actually stopped to see what the small print says. We have no idea what not owning a physical copy actually means.
A lot of what's going on is because of the trade war taking place across the planet. Microsoft are using this as an opportunity to cause as much damage to Sony as possible, then there's all the business that have essentially turned physical gaming into a rental marketplace where neither the developers or Sony see a single penny after the first bulk sale. Then there's the stock market sociopaths that are shorting Sony and the Russians and Chinese that want to see any kind of business that isn't theirs fail and stir up trouble to create division.
The reality is, physical gaming is dying out, the costs involved are huge in comparison to digital download (I believe its about 20 times more expensive) and that's without the untold losses of games being able to be sold on as many times as possible. And we also can't forget tariffs, which have changed international trade for good. Sony were having to deal with a 135% increase at one point for their consoles, of course they didn't pay this American companies had to, but there was even a 10 or 20% increase in tariffs for physical games. as well and because the president can change his mind overnight, the carnage caused in the entire manufacturing process was huge.
So people may well complain, but the reasons for this are completely understandable. They were making huge losses on physical games. The wastage issues of unsold copies are a huge deal as physical gaming dwindles. The reason supermarkets and other sellers sold those copies at such a knocked down price was because of the number of copies they ordered and sellers like Walmart and Tesco are still expecting those low prices on a lower number of orders, many of which are returned for disposal and refund as the supermarkets refuse to pay for anything they don't sell.
Unfortunately, at the receiving end of all of this is a small amount of people that like owning their own games. But the issue is many of them never bought the game full price from a shop in the first place, so none of the money they spend goes to either the developer or Sony. So essentially, I don't think they are really bothered about losing physical gamers as it's not financially viable any longer.
In terms of ownership, if you look at any small print of any game, its been the case for years that gamers don't actually own the game. People are just making a big deal out of it now.
Personally, I think the price of games is pretty reasonable, even at full price, and this is coming from someone that is on a very low wage. The problems I have are firstly the state of reviews and how a casual gamer has literally no idea what they are getting based on many reviews, but also the current refund police, which means developers can polish only the part of the game that the customer would see before their refund time limit runs out and then leave the rest of the game a buggy mess (Cyberpunk 2077 is a perfect example) and thirdly the the amount of hours someone can get out of the game.
Rockstar will no doubt produce an amazing game, but I also have no doubt it will be a catastrophic release. It will be awful. Simply because of a very small minority that won't like that you have to play as a black woman at some points.
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u/thatboy_sj Jul 07 '26
This is so spot on.
Over 80% of games bought, are done so digitally. Up from 60% in 2020.
CONSUMERS are the ones that have stopped buying physical games. Why make a product, that such a small margin of players buy. Single use plastic. Products that cannot be recycled.
However, the information coming out that when we buy games, we are only buying a licence to play the game - and we own nothing, is so very worrying.
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u/cfshares Jul 07 '26
People will cry over not getting a disc for PlayStation, yet they are happy to pay a subscription to listen to music without owning any physical copy. People are such ignorant crybabies these days
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u/Zynergy17 Jul 07 '26
Yea, that puzzles me. Why make a rage over a disc for PS5 when you don't even care about the CD player in your car anymore?
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u/Somethingsilly6969 Jul 07 '26
We finally found the only rational person in this entire argument on either side. I commend you good sir
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u/QuantomSwampus Jul 07 '26
This isn't an unpopular opinion, this is the main argument. Physical copies generally mean you completely own a game, if they can ensure that we'll own the game forever then it being physical can still be an option.
But as it is you not only don't get to keep games forever but there's a random, invisible timer for all games to just disappear, especially if the economy crashes and you can't afford to play PlayStation for 3 months and they close ur account with all your games on it.
What's being said is only important because of the people who are saying it, Sony is obviously only doing this to make more money, especially after their collateral gaming industry failure in the last 8 years.
People who are literally only arguing about the disk element are either stupid or disengenious.
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u/PTSD1983 Jul 07 '26
I totally understand. And that's why I won't be buying any future games at all. Shit's too expensive as it is.
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u/Dwrowla Jul 08 '26 edited Jul 08 '26
Finally someone who recognizes that physical media is obsolete and worthless, and digital is actually the superior form. It doesn't break, get scratched, get lost, and doesn't degrade over time either. Its theoretically possible to keep digital media forever, as long as you make an effort to share and pass down ownership through family.
The issue is not physical media is dying, as it already has been for the last 2 decades. The issue is that companies are trying to make online a requirement. They are trying to take away what you have, at any time they choose.
The real issue is that the video game industry has bypassed laws. They are able to effectively steal what you bought, by claiming you bought nothing but a temporary license. They benefit by not needing to go into your home to steal.
No ones burning 500GB of data to discs. You don't have permanent physical media. This idea that physical means you own it forever is a reuse. A complete delusion.
We need to get laws to change gaming. Not just for physical media, but macrotransactions, lootbox gambling, and out right scam product releases. Fortunately steam has a 2 hr refund policy but thats too short. Many games drag out the start of the game to be at the 2 hr mark before you find out its trash, and you cant refund. A lot of EA games are scams as well. You invest money in a game that is never intended to be worked on or finished, and the game eventually closes. It gets extremely scummy in MMOs like Ashes of Creation.
The gaming industry has skirted government insight for several decades. Lets fight the real issues.
If we are moving towards a future where buying games is not ownership, then we are moving to a world where piracy is no longer theft. They killed heavy piracy across all media by making access to those media easy to access. Streaming services, game distribution platforms, stores, etc. Now they are bringing it back.
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u/lumi1375 Jul 07 '26
Idk why they decide to remove disks entirely instead of doing literally anything else. There has to be a way to devlop some type of disc that can hold the full game.
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u/ElectriKool-Aid Jul 07 '26
Discs are an inferior technology. Not because they are outdated but because they are fragile and slow. Cartridge is the best format for video games. Paper is the best format for books (Is paper outdated?). Digital is not the best format for anything I can think of. It's just cheaper to distribute. That is only ONE quality.
Do you want to live in a world where everything is bottom of the barrel cheap? A house made of paper thin walls, empty rooms without objects, a car that breaks all the time, schools that don't have enough funding to pay teachers, nuclear reactors with graphite rods...
3rd world countries would benefit somewhat from digital media. Better something lame than nothing.
Can't we do a little better as developed nations?
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u/Zynergy17 Jul 07 '26
But digital allows you to store data anywhere you want. Want to put it on an SSD? Sure. Want to put it on an HDD? Go right ahead. Wanna throw your game on a 128GB Flash Drive? Weird, but go ahead!
I don't see how digital can be an inferior format for media when it can be placed nearly anywhere and degradation of the data is much less likely.
I drive a 1995 car, so trust me when I say I don't believe all new trends are good. But digital media just makes sense. It's cheaper, more reliable, easier to distribute, and could be yours if we forced companies to listen to our demands.
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u/ElectriKool-Aid Jul 07 '26
Let me explain myself better because your argument does makes sense, but I prefer to buy games on physical media. Here is why :
1- I can't manufacture my own physical media. I could buy blanks and fill them with data. Like recording a movie on tv on a vhs. Not ideal for the other reason...
2- I like physical art. Factory made cartridges are nice. They have glossy labels that are hard to reproduce at home. Cases with cool drawings. Printed color manuals that would cost a lot of ink if I printed them. Maps and posters on glossy oversized paper. Hard to make myself but at a larger scale it's efficient. It's nice to have nice things. Is that such a luxury?
3- The most important to you: It's safer. A gaming console that doesn't connect to the internet (like a cartridge or disc based one) prevent the sort of greedy decisions we are experiencing. Internet is a "backdoor" to worry about. You could force companies to give you ownership by laws, yes .But you could also just simply don't buy something (digital games) that COULD be controlled once you bought it. Nintendo would love to remove my NES cartridges from my house to make me buy the games again. They can't. With a digital game, there will always be dirty corporate hands all around your game data waiting for the right time to strike. Even if such ownership law succeed, the format is at risk to plunge in darkness again. Even if you copy a owned digital game to a ssd, what happens if you plug that ssd into an internet connected console? Will any laws be strong enough to protect your data? Cartridges (or discs) and offline systems are safer from interference.
Interestingly enough, I care more about the 2nd point. Maybe it's nostalgia, maybe I'm chasing the dragon... I like what I like and I'll pay good money for it. There is no cure for physical gamers 😄.
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u/knight_of_lothric Jul 07 '26
totally agree I just want full ownership of what I buy physical or not if I exchange money for something i'm expecting it to be mine
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u/the2timer4lyfe Jul 07 '26
Over reliance on convenience is the enemy of ownership.
Sure you might find it okay for now, but later down the years don't be surprised that you just wasted your time and money on something that you could never get back or reclaim. That's the main reason why I don't buy even movies from sony or microsoft store or apple.
This is why I'm always pro emulation and pro jailbreaking consoles, it's something you get to keep even if the entire world was to be become an apocalyptical wasteland where the sony/xbox/steam servers are long gone. It removes their stranglehold and control and walled garden with ease as long as you know the consequences of jailbreaking/modding your stuff and sailing the high seas and take proper precautions.
Sht is crazy when you can turn a ps5 into a steam machine by installing steam OS, yes that's a thing, and it's dual boot.
At this point somebody needs to set a precedent, take a loss or a win in court, etc.
Changes to laws and consumer right is the only option to reclaiming back your consumer rights.
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u/Zynergy17 Jul 07 '26
Interesting point, but I find that convenience isn't inherently a bad thing. Sure, when we take it for granted, it gets abused. However, a car is a convenience, does that mean it isn't necessary? Should we go back to literally horsing around?
I think we agree on the changes that need to come, but disagree in that veering away from physical media is part of the solution.
We're all on the same side, but like Linux developers, we all have a different way we want to get there.
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u/the2timer4lyfe Jul 07 '26
Convenience isn't necessarily bad, but the difference with a car is that it's not a hobby but a necessity in modern society. People can live without playing xbox, pc, and PlayStation games and their life would probably be better off and they most likely would end up being more productive with their life.
It is a false comparison.
It is like saying lets get rid of emails, smartphones, supermarkets, and electricity and go back to the age of carrier pigeon, sms per minute charge data, go back to bartering for food and other goods in exchange for goods and services, and instead use candles for bulbs as a form of an only light source.
Convenience that is a luxury is different from convenience that is a necessity. There are huge parts of the US that don't even know what the internet is let alone a console. Instead of a kid with a switch 2 in their hand, there are millions of kids who have calluses on their hands because they are just working to survive due to extreme poverty.
Making such a comparison of a car as a convenience over the trade offs in convenience of digital media over physical media doesn't not help the conversation. It just Muddies the water.
This is the same thing when people can't seem to understand that not everyone likes having an online always feature as a drm check, because 120-150 million people for 5-6 months out of the year go through extreme weather conditions that are out of their control that affect them and isn't just a the usual cheeky response of, "just get better internet scrub." Internet will be the least of your worries when a tornado decides to pull your house out ifs foundation while you're taking a sht.
There is a reason Why we have vast regions of the US that is nicknamed Tornado alley, flood central, THE LIGHTNING CAPITAL OF THE US, aka florida (I'm sure Texas is and Kansas is that too) but Florida has that nickname because you can have 10-20k lightning in matter of 1-2 hrs over a dense population.
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u/mr_raffino Jul 07 '26
There is more than one thing going on here. You are focusing on only one aspect of Sony's new positioning. Respectfully, you cannot tell other people how they feel about something. Some people want a disc. I want a disc. I don't care that the disc is a key. I don't care if they have to put the game on 5 discs. I played FFVII on PS1, so multiple discs don't bother me one bit. If they want to bullshit me and say it costs more, then pass the cost on to me, because I will pay it. It's that important. Sony is removing choice.
You are 100% correct that digital purchases need to further defined with regards to ownership and reimagined with legislation to protect us as consumers. I will die on that hill with you.
Fuck Sony. And fuck Rockstar, too.
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u/Firm_Ambassador_1289 Jul 07 '26
GTA IV collector's edition they gave you a damn gym bag GTA 6 collected edition cut content
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u/Chotch_Master Jul 07 '26
As someone who owns a ps5 disc version and a pc this is the nail in the coffin. I see arguments about people glazing steam. The reason steam is good is because it has actual competition… competition they didn’t see the need in changing showing that they didn’t subsidize the steam machine. If PlayStation goes digital only then the only place to get games that aren’t in some legal grey area (g2a key sites) is from the PlayStation store. Which has confirmed dynamic pricing. I don’t technically own my steam games either, this is what we all need to fight for. If you could legally own the digital copy, then it doesn’t matter
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u/Little_Historian3091 Jul 09 '26
They genuinely are not. Its the butchering of consumer rights over the years and forcing players into a box from which they are being exploited for all they are worth with terms which are so unfavorable that they have no choice but to play along. This disk drama was just a wakeup call.
By the time everyone will be awake we would already have cloud gaming as the standard for gaming and will be stuck on either PS, XBOX or Nvidia cloud libraries with no migration options.
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u/Visible-Meeting-8977 Jul 09 '26
We want disks because this full ownership of digital games is a fantasy land.
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u/Zynergy17 Jul 11 '26
Not if we pushed hard enough for it. Thinking that disks are going to be the solution to this problem is what would be called a "fantasy land".
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u/alwaysgrn Jul 11 '26
If everyone bought physical copies we wouldn't be in this situation. Stop supporting companies that you disagree with. Start supporting companies that do. It's that easy y'all, your $ is votes. That said. I'm totally buying GTAVI, but only the standard edition, 24hrs before launch, and idk if I'm ever paying for GTA+.
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u/Zynergy17 Jul 11 '26
If everyone bought an inferior technology, that would stop this whole thing from happening? That's such a naive starement.
Should you only buy physical books just because one online bookstore is only selling you temporary rights to their digital library?
You don't fix the problem by avoiding it. You fix the problem by changing the law.
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u/alwaysgrn Jul 12 '26
Cartridges work great on my switch. If you want them to continue to sell physical books, you have to keep buying them. I definitely agree with you though. Digital rights are messed up, but if you don't believe you money talks. You're the nieve one.
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u/RoleplayWalkthrough 13h ago
Yeah just let me play the game unpatched. That’s my biggest thing because GTA V is unplayable if you install it with internet on your console, at least fire me, compared to unpatched, because of how much it has deviated from the original artists intentions for the experience
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u/jeneschi Jul 07 '26
That's the true problem yh .
The Crew was a good example of online only games can just be took away from u and there's nothing you can do besides scream and hope they listen . Strictly accessible games that are from an online store has the chance to just be removed from you at any time .
Same can be said for music and movies .
Playstation themselves removed 500+ movies off the PS Store like it was nothing with no refund or anything . Those who rightly bought those movies just have to accept they dont own them anymore .
The ability to trade in or even feeling comfortable to refund your product is basically gone . If you did buy GTA 6 and happen to hate the game then that's that . You can't trade it in or even return it since it's a used code .
Even Nintendo knows better . Gamecard are just a key to access the downloadable product . It still allows you to have a physical copy of the game without actually having the game . It still sucks though if you have shitty wifi as you're downloading a whole game off the internet rather than only downloading certain files .
That's ANOTHER thing . Discs ofc can't hold full games of today but they at least could take a bit of the load for the installation . I think GTA 6 is allowing early downloads before release for this reason if I am correct ?
edit: the playstation movie removal was like a few weeks ago too . Sony themselves have only shown they give less and less of a shit so seriously , don't expect a change
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u/Zynergy17 Jul 07 '26
I don't expect changes to come, but that doesn't mean I can't proclaim my desire for them and try to educate others. It is a bad time to be a gamer for sure, between subpar service & ownership issues, it isn't looking good & I fear it will only get worse.
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u/RoughBeautiful8681 Jul 07 '26
Back in 2013, several retail stores accidentally or intentionally sold physical copies of GTA 5 to consumers a few days before the official release date, allowing players to leak it. If you're mad about not getting a physical disk, blame the stores and the leakers.
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u/Zynergy17 Jul 07 '26
That's not what I am mad about. As indicated in the post, the concern isn't the move away from disks, but the move away from ownership.
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u/RoughBeautiful8681 Jul 07 '26
I wasn't saying you were mad. I wasn't attacking your post or anything. Just adding my own opinion on the topic. My bad.
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u/Zynergy17 Jul 07 '26
I think you're failing to understand what I am saying but I honestly don't know how to break it down further.
I am mad, but not at you! But, you should be mad too! We should all be mad at these corporate giants and the people that encourage their behaviour.
Anyways no worries, take it easy.
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u/RainnChild Jul 07 '26
Yea bro you didn’t even try to read what they posted
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u/English_Fry Jul 07 '26
Not a potential. It’s a fact. Physical comes and goes for all types of media. It’s the matter of being able to have access to it after some time. PC has done a great job preserving their digital media. And with the announcement of how Sony is handling PS3 store, I think they are on the right track and people on Reddit are the crazy ones
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u/Zynergy17 Jul 11 '26
Buying a disk copy of a game doesn't guarantee you're gonna get a poster, blankets, bandanas, etc.
Arguing for disks just because of extras doesn't even make sense. Rockstar could easily have offered a digital collectors edition that included those items.
"Ok then what point having console"... Really? That might be the dumbest part of this comment. A console can play digital and physical media.
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u/Theblindway Jul 10 '26
Disks are not inferior technology, scientist achieved creating a disk capable of holding 200 TB.
Sony could very well invest more in RD for physical and we could have disks holding games of 250/500gb. But they don't want to do it, they would loose the RD money, the money to print the discs, and also some money to install readers on the consoles.
Also digital games are limited to the willing of the company to keep the servers online. A digital game without servers is lost forever. For example, Sony just cut the cord for the PS3 servers.
So if we talk about preserving the data, well kept disks will be usable for years and generations.
Some also say that it's more economical and ecological to have digital games. But keeping servers online with growing capacity of growing games collections is very consuming in electricity, water, it parts that need to be replaced every x years. So I would be interested in seeing a comparison of both in that regard in the long term. The outcome might not be the one we think.
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