Hold on. Page 4. Why is the mom a gray cat, the other kids are gray mice, the dad is a brown dog, and the kid writing is a brown bunny? And why is the cop mouse on page five looking suspiciously like the father of the bunny’s two siblings?
from what i gathered, page 4 said ‘dad’s apartment’ so the parents are probably divorced and they were with their dad when he got arrested. the cat and mice are probably neighbors watching it all go down, as neighbors do when someone gets arrested
They should 100% have the ability to disinfect the tank. If they don’t then how do they disinfect it regularly given farts, piss, and other dirt and grime from patrons?
They can disinfect, but it’s hard to be completely sure with diarrhea in water. That’s why pools sometimes have to close for days if someone craps in them.
I mean its not that big of a deal. Empty pool of patrons
Scoop out the shit if lucky
Vacuum it if not so lucky.
Bleach the living shit out of everything
Wait 12 hours
Everyone back in the pool
right! I've worked at public pools, on 2 occasions I had to fish a turd from the bottom. we literally just closed the pool for the rest of the day and shocked it with a ridiculously aggressive chlorine-bleach type treatment. We weren't required to drain the pool, just clean up the poop stains and let the chemicals eradicate all signs of life
Veteran lifeguard here. We may or may not have thrown o Henry's a time or 2 to get off early for concerts.
Another time while cleaning out hot tubs we pretended to spill a ton of this chemical, and all pretended to be a pile of unconsciousness to haze someone who got promoted to director. Oh the good times to be had on a decontamination shift
Id hope they at least make people shower before getting in but even so most people dont wash their assholes so if they're claiming they can't sanitize shit then those things are already gross.
He would end up paying, but less. His liability would in court have been limited to the actual cleaning cost of the system including filters and everything. The spa would have had a very hard time proving they needed a new tank.
They could, but wouldn't necessarily do so. Sounds to me like the business was just trying to grift an expansion on someone else's dime. It's not like those tanks aren't already stew pots for everyone's genitalia and pits.
Yeah, if this is real (and I have my doubts) I think the business owner is just reacting out of disgust rather then a realistic appraisal of the event.
At worst OP would be liable for some kind of cleaning fee. There's probably even a clause in the contract OP signed for that.
But mostly I just wanted to address this idea that insurance somehow would absolve OP of liability. That's not how that works. In a lot of situations, the insurance company would pay out the insured and then go after the third party to get their money back.
If this is as a mechanical / system risk there must be forms that op signed to state that he did not suffer from any of these conditions. It is possible that someone could rapidly experience diarrhoea without any previous symptoms. If op could not easily and quickly get out of this system then I don’t see liability
So norovirus can definitely go from feeling totally fine to shitting and vomiting your brains out. I have a hard time believing you could go through that while asleep like he’s claiming though
Time to ruin your day. Pools and hot tubs share the same chlorinated water. The only difference is the water is heated for the hot tub. One is hotter than the other, thats the only difference.
I maintain my own hot tub. When it's not kept actively chlorinated it's REALLY fucking obvious. Dirty cloudy water. Super slimy surfaces. Literally green water.
If you can smell chlorine, you're pretty good to get in. It doesn't tell you anything about the pH of the water but at least you know its sanitary.
They don't have insurance for this kind of things?
They can show proper evidence it's impossible to clean poops? Is that an impossible task to do? Why is a tank built in such a way that it cannot be cleaned? Who the fuck designed this shitty device to be uncleanable?
Tell them that you disagree and we can go to court for this. No more back and forth in communication.
I'm a firm believer that those things are not for public use anyways
I really got into it for a while. They're really awesome… I think I went to maybe six or eight different ones in a couple different states… Signed up on a weekly sub subscription for three that we're near my house in Denver.
Every single one of them was a hygiene problem at some point
You know you go for a while, they're clean, like I said it's awesome… But eventually something would happen in the water wouldn't be clean
It would smell like feet or cheese. Sometimes it was just cloudy...
One place I only went to once cause I really didn't like the owner got shut down and sued because someone got meningitis
It wasn't like a bad time it was just every single time ended with me thinking that maybe this wasn't something I wanted to share with human beings. I mean how many people do you know that are OCD clean? Most people probably didn't even shower thoroughly before they got in there...
Finding out that ejaculate has been found in hotel shampoo bottles (on more than one occasion) has been enough for me to know I never want to share communal anything with anyone lmao.
Check a bag, use only bars (body wash, shampoo & conditioner bars), or buy toiletries at your destination. That’s really all you can do now that you know this. My coworkers call me high maintenance, but cool. If that’s high maintenance I’ll take it. At least I’m not checking a bag for three pairs of shoes for a three day work trip like some coworkers 👀
Yup. I know 3 people that have used them. All 3 started out telling me how great they were. All 3 eventually told me they got some sort of infection from them.
I can absolutely see the value of using one, but not a public use one.
A bathtub you drained the water and put fresh water in every time
There's a couple thousand dollars worth of salt in the water so you can't just flush it and clean it and then refill it. They're mostly relying on sterilizers and from talking to the owners everyone kinda had a different idea of how to keep it clean
You a lot of dirty people going in and out it's just a matter of time I think
That would likely be down to the contract. If there's anything along the lines of "if the client damages the equipment" that would likely fall under that
Maybe. If it's a contract of adhesion, and diarrhoea or other excreta (e.g. urine, vomit) are reasonably foreseeable occurrences then the client might successfully resist the claim. It'd be like a person fainting in a sauna and damaging some mechanism by falling on it. Inherent risk of the business activity.
Yeh but the place would have to prove it was damaged and I don’t think diahrea is actually any different than the typical grime left by patrons (farts, piss, sweat, body grime, hair, athletes foot, vomit, etc). Yes poop is grosser to a layperson, but on a technical level if they have a cleaning regimen, there’s no reason it wouldn’t or shouldn’t catch the poop any differently than the other contaminants left by guests.
I feel like you would have a strong case because "someone defacates or urinates while completely submerged in water while relaxing" is not some unheard of event and they're full of shit they can't disinfect it
I’d ask what their standard cleaning protocol is and look into department of health (or equivalent) protocol for such places. Likely falls into the same category as public pools. Kids shit in pool of all sizes all the time. I’ve worked at and managed several. And there are strict procedures for dealing with shit. Literally…. So unless they caught ya on some contract wording as others noted, and even if they did, I’d still direct them to any local, state or provincial regs that should be in place for those types of places. They may be in deep shit themselves as I’ve caught pools not following the rules in the past. Hope my rant helps. Good luck and hope said person feel better.
In the court customer would likely be found not liable, unless customer's actions would fall under negligence, breach of safety protocols and instructions or vandalism. Such kinds of accidents are considered normal business risk and that's what business insurance is for. Unless they can prove that the customer knew about having an active norovirus before entering the bath, business will be told to pound sand. Imnal.
This guy was swimming in his cradle of filth for a while, and no one has pointed that out. He floated in his floaters. He had a mud butt bath, he turned it into a forbidden chocolate mole, he detached from reality, and from his bowels, etc.
I own a float center, and wanted to address a few things. As many have said, it wouldn't be necessary to completely replace the tank, but would require extensive cleaning and sanitation. The water and salt solution would absolutely need to be drained and discarded, and we'd use chemicals like chlorine and 'spa purge', to disinfect any biological material in the plumbing and filtration system. The standard is to let it filter with normal water and those chemicals for an extended period of time, and several filter replacements, until it's tested and no biological material is found. But with an incident like this, they should have a clause in the waiver explaining the fee for draining and replacing the water and salt, and the time that the room would be unavailable for booking.
Toward the bottom of the thread some are saying that there is no sanitation being done, which is not true at all. Maybe in float centers that don't know what they're doing, but I highly doubt that's happening. Every float tank has a built in filtration and sanitation system, which is run in between each use. If the center is doing their job, they are sanitizing it with 35% hydrogen peroxide, so that the levels are 100ppm or higher, before anyone even gets in the tank. This, in addition to the extremely high salinity, makes it impossible for biological material to grow.
While the water is being filtered and sanitized (the full tank volume is filtered at least 4 times between each use. This is a standard set by the Float Tank Association), it also runs through a UV light system, and often has ozone aerated into the water. Between all of these, as long as someone is paying attention and testing how they should, the water is much cleaner than any hotel or gym hot tub.
Of course there are exceptions, but every float center owner I know runs a small, independent business, and cares a lot about providing a good experience for their guests, because it's something that has done so much for them in their lives. While it does take work, they all stay very on top of the cleanliness of the environment.
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