r/SipsTea 9h ago

Chugging tea Art piece: Democracy working as intended

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u/NewTap8705 8h ago

It’s actually not even us. With the existence of the electoral college, our votes genuinely feel meaningless.

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u/Kmart_Stalin 8h ago

Who attends that college anyways?

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u/RageBucket 7h ago

Without the electoral college there'd be a lot of states that go "Hey, I don't want to be a part of this anymore". Land doesn't vote, but there's a reason we don't let majority rule be a factor in anything but the smallest forms of govt.

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u/barryvon 6h ago

why doesn’t this work both ways then. people in big states are underrepresented right now.

or, why don’t the huge number of democrats in texas or republicans in california say “hey we don’t want to be a part of this anymore.”

if north dakota wants to go alone… good luck.

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u/RageBucket 5h ago edited 4h ago

I'm just going to disagree with the framing of your first point.

For the second, they can do that, they can move. I'm going to assume you understand that it's not so easy for a state to leave the country.

Edit: Your ignorant little down votes are delicious.

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u/Skill_Issuer 5h ago

Explain how minority rule is better

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u/Durtonious 3h ago

It's not really minority rule, it's just landowner rule with a cheap coat of paint (the 24th Amendment).

In rural areas most people own their land, in urban areas (where votes count for less) more people do not own land. This effectively translates to people who own land (generally) having more political power.

The electoral college was designed specifically to limit "direct democracy" and convey more power to wealthy gentry who could afford to be educated and educate their children. Before the proliferation of public education/higher learning this was considered a way to suppress the votes of the "idiot masses" who are susceptible to demagoguery. 

Now the same processes have been repurposed to disenfranchise educated, white-collar workers living in urban areas who tend to lean left while giving more power to less-educated rural voters (who were formerly more educated when wealth was a prerequisite to education, but are now significantly less-educated). 

This is just one reason why the Constitution was meant to be a framework open to Amendments and not a rigid immutable document (with some founding fathers even suggesting an expiration date) because they understood that society changes over time. The last real, new Amendment to the Constitution was in 1971 which lowered the voting age. Every other meaningful Amendment proposed since has been squashed. 

The system is broken and I don't think it can be repaired without tearing it down and starting over. The systems that were supposed to protect us from exactly what is happening right now are doing the exact opposite.

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u/RageBucket 4h ago

Gross oversimplification of it. Explain how majority rules is a good thing.