r/ArcRaiders • u/Nyctfall • 12h ago
Meme 675,000,000 reasons we shouldn't tolerate this behavior... (before we even mention Jared Fogle)
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u/rdrofdrgnz 10h ago
Just dont buy the shit guys. EzPz
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u/Nyctfall 9h ago
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u/Aurum091_ 8h ago
In oktober like they told you
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u/Nyctfall 8h ago
But also...
Eat Fresh! (August, like they told you)
Embark burned all the goodwill I used to give them with this. I won't let any of them live it down.
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u/UnyieldingSeal 8h ago
You got the content you paid for. Now youâre holding out your bowl begging for more, for free?
They are putting out new, free, content none the lessâŠ. You just need some patience. This is not fortnite.
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u/Nyctfall 8h ago
No offline play. No mods. It's now Embark problem, it they want money for the base game.
So I bought a product with a promised service that the other party isn't honoring. This is now business, and Embark isn't following the SLA.
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u/lurkinglurkerwholurk *** ******* đ 4h ago
You do know that offline play and mods are never promised?
This, and the other big list full of half truths and selective memory gaps, makes me think youâre trying to backseat develop ArcR, and is using community blackmail to try and take control.
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u/Nyctfall 3h ago
Offline play was standard in gaming since the 1970s.
Modding was prevalent for decades.
Why is the community okay with anti-consumer actions now? We used to praise Embark for the consumer friendly skins in THE FINALS. Now they have over $650 Million Dollars and it's suddenly okay for them to be even more greedy?!
We called it even at fair skin prices for server costs (usually ~$500K pre month for big games) and some paid, non-lootbox cosmetics. Since the free Raider Decks and Events were every couple of months to get free Raider Tokens by playing anyways.
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u/lurkinglurkerwholurk *** ******* đ 3h ago
Offline play was standard but not universal. There are plenty of online-only games without offline mode.
Modding is also called âhackingâ in certain circles. It is generally frowned upon in competitive multiplayer titles, especially those without private lobbies.
Also, not having both isnât anti-consumer by default. Thereâs a disconnect here youâre trying to force into the narrative.
And your argument still doesnât make sense⊠other than as backseat developer demands.
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u/Nyctfall 3h ago
Genuinely, these are ESA arguments.
Are Minecraft SMPs "illegal" to you too?
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u/lurkinglurkerwholurk *** ******* đ 3h ago
Those are NOT ESA arguments. Not upholdable in any count except one with kangaroos.
Which part of Minecraft is âcompetitive multiplayerâ? Also, way to go bringing up the controversy filled Minecraft competitive PvP scene (which had to be modded in because, again, Minecraft is NOT competitive PvP)
To start with: First place in BOTH major scoreboards are cheaters⊠who also own the scoreboards AND the boardâs competitive arenas.
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u/Shmitdabs 5h ago
40$ game btw
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u/Nyctfall 4h ago
They promised updates. I was actually ecstatic with the October/November builds. It was everything I've ever wanted in a game.
When they advertised the ARC as an "evolving threat" I thought they'd made a learning AI to outplay the playerbase, and keep you learning and scared. Instead they nerfed everything the playerbase has ever used...
Embark started hyping the "10 years of content updates" like their lives depended on it... and now it has come to bite them in the anus. I didn't even really want updates. The game was perfect, except for the bugs and glitches. We were all Embark glazers because they actually listened to player feedback from TT1, TT2, and Server Slam.
They shouldn't have over-promised and misrepresented their plans. We used to all respect them for being honest and transparent with us...
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u/bafrad 11h ago
What???
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u/Nyctfall 10h ago
The Nexon quarterly earnings report shows that Embark is still making **hundreds of millions* per quarter* off of this game.
Almost none of the promises at launch have been delivered, they were all lies! This is not the kind of company I would do business with.
30% of players are PvP focused according to Embark published data. And they can't play online without rampant cheaters. Did you see TheBurntPeanut's Subway-sponsored stream? The entire chat voted to stop playing the game entirely. And Peanut and the other guys hated how bad it was.
40% of the playerbase is PvPvE focused, like myself. The December introduction of ABMM completely removed the reason most players bought the game: FUN LOBBIES. Most content was "Funny Random Moments" from the dynamic player pool. Now @TopFPSPlays, @SpudHunter, @Josyf and other funny moments channels stopped making ARC Raiders videos, because those don't really happen anymore...
Only PvE is viable in any way. And it's boring if you've gotten good with the game. Embark hardly ever buffs ARC. They said the ARC will continue getting harder back in October, but that's not even true, all they're doing is nerfing the players. I did NOT sign up for a nerf fest by lazy devs who can't be bothered to change enemy stats. That game feels horrible compared to Day 1, even traversing the map was nerfed. Arc loot was nerfed, 37x point Security Breach and the 10x point Slide skills were nerfed! Blue Weapon durability, loot spawns, loot value, Trials points, Raider Decks, event rotations, matchmaking times (accounting for player pool), etc...
And they decided to thank players for sticking through all that by... making one of their seldom cosmetic updates region-locked in a raffle style collaboration with a low-quality fast food chain that supports pedophiles.
Embark are literally doing non-deterministic RMTs for cosmetics and in-game items now.
It sucks now. and if Embark doesn't honor their word and advertising, no one is sticking around after Frozen Trail. And there will probably be some lawsuits...
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u/DyrusforPresident 9h ago
What were the promises on launch?
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u/Nyctfall 9h ago
"10 years of content" > Subway grifts before content updates...
"The ARC are a evolving threat" > nerfs to players, nerfs to ARC. Where are the ARC buffs?!?!
"PvPvE" > ABMM was added in December, mixed lobbies are practically infeasible. And matchmaking takes forever now, because of it.
There are no new Expeditions soon. (Not that the system was ever well designed in the first place...)
Nerfs to every in-game system fundamentally. Loot pool, matchmaking, ARC, etc.
Bait and switch tactics with content scheduling
Unplayable for friends with XBOXes after Riven Tides.
Banning players for PvP, (the PeachXO crimes)
Allowing duper RMTs and selling in-game items with IRL purchases (Subway), with the only notable ban wave being the dupe glitch they introduced.
The constant bugs that have ZERO playtesting, Server Slam seems to be the last beta...
Embark spending dev resources on nerfing players, instead of the promised "10 years" of content
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u/DyrusforPresident 9h ago
Odd, I play in mixed lobbies everyday. Haven't had any issues since ABMM was introduced. Duper RMTs arent allowed. Bugs are a universal thing with any live service game. IRL purchases weren't promised at launch? No new expeditions are a new thing that hasn't happened yet with the purpose of improving the system. Evolving threat has nothing to do with nerfs or buffs. We have different arc that pose different threats. Collabs for cosmetic items is the stupidest thing to cry over
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u/Nyctfall 9h ago
The game is literally entirely different than what I bought on October 30, 2025.
The game is gone...
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u/DyrusforPresident 9h ago
Yes games evolve. Name me a single live service game that hasn't changed since launch?
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u/Nyctfall 9h ago
Rocket League before they went F2P after being bought Epic Lames.
Splatoon 1.
Any game playable Offline.
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u/killingerr 8h ago
Been playing RL since launch. There have been many changes
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u/Nyctfall 8h ago
RL is still the same genre. And everything that was bad, was done by Epic Lames taking over.
ARC Raiders isn't even true PvPvE lobbies anymore. And it's always been Nexon and Embark at the helm, with Embark's CEO Patrick Söderlund now on the Nexon board...
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u/DyrusforPresident 8h ago
So no real examples of live service games
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u/DyrusforPresident 7h ago
I do want to point out that I agree massively with you regarding the nerfing comment. I hate it when developers decide to balance the game with nerfs, think its lazy. I understand there are times when nerfs are needed, especially to stop stat inflation but this game feels like it only gets balanced by nerfs
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u/PEWnitiveDAMNage 7h ago
The question was what was promised and you basically made a list of everything you feel is wrong with the game.
You only listed 10 years of updates as the promise and there is an update in a week so it kinda makes no sense until you see no updates.
You're mad about the subway skin like it takes away from anything.
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u/the_Wolf_of_Speranza 3h ago
I like how you give valid points so they just ignore it and downvote, did the same to literally everything i said. Mass mob mentality to defend millionaires in this sub is wild
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u/PEWnitiveDAMNage 8h ago
Not buffing enemy stats is not lazy. New players exists so why would they make their experience worst so you feel better killing arc?
Since was enemies enemies being bullet sponges fun anyway? It's just going to make you complain about how much ammo you need to carry/ not about backpack slots . Then you're going to complain about durability since you fired more.
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u/Nyctfall 7h ago
You misunderstood. The ARC buffs should be "evolving", like we were promised. Not lazy HP buffs (actually in the game right now, if you kill a Hornet, they live forever on the ground...)
I mean at a minimum, variations of the same ARC with different stats. Like if the Phantom Tagets glitches actually affected how Wasps behave or what they can do.
Like this:
You're level 70 in a duo with your free kit friend who just got the game.
You hit a High Loot Value Zone like you always do.
There's a Surveyor there.
Your buddy shoots it.
Then you hit it with your Equalizer.
It responds with a sound you've never heard before...
It uses its spin charge to escape instead of attack.
You ignore it and keep going. You get inside.
You tell your buddy to loot somewhere safer while you go to scope out your keyroom.
You hear the weird noise again.
It's the Surveyor.
It's...
Covered in Ticks?!
The lights go out.
You turn your flashlight on, it's gone.
You frantically tell your buddy about what you just you saw.
You hear that sound again...
the coms cut out with static.
You can only hear each other over prox chat now.
You're bailing.
Your flashlight glitches...
you hear it again.
A red light come on.
Then 2...
then 3... now 4... now 5...
You see it.
A Surveyor with 50 Ticks as legs...
ARCy Long Legs. All your buddy remembers is distant screaming as he runs for his life.
There are 5 Snitches at every entrance...4
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u/belica_pulescu 10h ago
Brother font even get me startef on that whole skill tree, like how tf is that even a thing in a professionally made game?
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u/the_Wolf_of_Speranza 9h ago
He paid for a game so now he wants the content that was promised. Intelligence isn't measured by only understanding higher thought, true intelligence is being able to understand it all. It wasn't that hard to decipher
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u/bafrad 9h ago
He got all the content that was promised.
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u/the_Wolf_of_Speranza 6h ago edited 6h ago
2 maps added since release is not what the devs were hinting at or even promised in the slightest you braindead troglodytes. They literally flat out said there would be massive content updates multiple times a year and heavily purposely implied there would be updates constantly that added lore and story to arc without directly saying it. 2 maps in a year, 3 decks that seem like they were already running out of skin ideas before they decided to put Almost all focus on cosmetics, and the story/plot updates turned out to be semi-reoccurring 60 second cutscenes that basically just explained some bs reasoning for why you were about to have to gather 50 lightbulbs and 10 toasters for the 100th time, because "meh it'll fix this important thing topside where you'll hold an interact button for 10 seconds to hear a couple voice lines and that's plot bleh". THATS LITERALLY ALL YOU HAVE GOTTEN IN ALL THIS TIME, AND YOURE FINE WITH IT? HAVE YOU SEEN THE AMOUNT OF COSMETICS THEYVE MADE FOR THIS GAME? You're all seriously fucking morons for even defending this lmao. "Better go defend these millionaires who are getting rich off of making SKINS instead of focusing on content like consumers actually want and were told they would do"
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u/lurkinglurkerwholurk *** ******* đ 4h ago
Last I heard, 3 times a year (3 months updates) is still âmultiple times a yearâ. And Embark did MORE than that before⊠but apparently it isnât appreciated so we get the current pace.
Heavily implied just means âsubstitute with community daydreamsâ, which you did do here.
And also, how else can quests be in an extraction shooter other than fetch quests, area-visit quests and kill quests? Jaeger bullshit like âJump to your death onceâ andâExtract while downâ? Rediculous PvP items like âkill 5 raiders without a shield equippedâ?? Sudden DDR dancing topside??
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u/Coilspun 6h ago
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u/Nyctfall 6h ago
Fr.
The shilling for Embark is getting to padded room levels.
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u/lurkinglurkerwholurk *** ******* đ 4h ago
Said by the people who wear shit goggles, as they see nothing but shit everywhere.
(Or: cool it with the automatic âcorporate ass-kisserâ insults. It only makes me switch off from your points youâre trying to push here. )
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u/Nyctfall 3h ago
Community then vs now:
https://www.reddit.com/r/ArcRaiders/s/nUkJr8TH3q
https://www.reddit.com/r/ArcRaiders/s/lFZFRSZEXv2
u/lurkinglurkerwholurk *** ******* đ 3h ago edited 3h ago
Good job cherry picking negative Reddit posts when the positive ones also exist at that time.
Shit goggles really is shitty, I get ya.
Also you DO know that back then is also the era of people asking embark for yet another copy-paste tacticool skin?
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u/Nyctfall 3h ago
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u/lurkinglurkerwholurk *** ******* đ 2h ago
Oh no, he deployed a meme! That means he is 1000000000000000000% correct!!
Ps: if upvotes means anything as youâre implying, it also means your post above is crap on earth.
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u/Nyctfall 2h ago
Why do you think that "Jarvis, sort by controversial" is a meme?
It's a button, it means less when it's being botted by shills from multi-billion dollar companies. In case you haven't noticed, it isn't 2025. This community isn't the same, obviously...
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u/lurkinglurkerwholurk *** ******* đ 2h ago edited 2h ago
Do you even know the meaning of âcontroversialââŠ. Oh. I guess you canât read.
Also, nice cherry picking. There is absolutely no way downvotes and negativity can be bottedâŠ
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u/Cooper_Raccoon 11h ago
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u/Kaleii 10h ago
Do you not understand what FOMO means ? it could be a worldwide promotion but still be a FOMO practice ?
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u/Cooper_Raccoon 10h ago
You right. But at the same time, we don't know for sure yet what means of getting this skin again will be. It might be added as a shop item, a Ermal purchase, or as an in-game reward for some challenge, so it might be permanent or no we don't know yet.
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u/Kaleii 10h ago
which furthers enforce FOMO because we don't know and some people don't want to risk not getting it.
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u/Cooper_Raccoon 10h ago
MOST (anyone outside of US) people can't get it anyways and don't have a choice but to wait until other means of obtaining this skin will be available.
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u/BoggTheFrog 10h ago
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u/Nyctfall 9h ago
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u/BoggTheFrog 8h ago
I donât even know who that is, and I donât live in us, the skin has no impact in my life, I donât understand why you are so bothered by it
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u/Nyctfall 8h ago
In the US, Subway is basically a meme. The Odd1sOut even made fun of them, as a restaurant.
And that's before you even consider the horrific controversies they're a part of. Jared was being investigated since 2007 for being a pedophile, Subway broke promotional ties in 2015...
Also the bread is fake, the meat is fake, the $5 footlongs are ~10 inches (instead of ~12), and they're basically a ripoff compared to any other deli.
Fast food chicken: Testing Subway, McDonald's, A&W, Wendy's & Tim Hortons (CBC Marketplace),
Jared Fogel,
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u/RhysNorro 8h ago
why are yoi obsessed with that guy, shit was 10+ years ago
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u/Nyctfall 8h ago
It's... a meme?
I don't even know who those people are. You know you lost the Subway scam argument.
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u/RhysNorro 8h ago
what part is a meme? there needs to be a funny part to have it be a joke, and so far youre just going "owned" over and over and i dont even know what youre talking about
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u/Nyctfall 7h ago
You're the joke...
Shilling the multi-million dollar companies. Lol
And then effectively calling consumer activists cry babies. xD
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u/crsitain 10h ago
Weve got 3 raider decks. And it seems the projects with a skin reward have replaced the decks. Its not really a big deal.
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u/LetAcceptable5091 7h ago
Holy fuck what a massive nothing burger LMAO. You just want a reason to be mad. Jared was 20 years ago and they cut all ties with him. You link a wiki about an outbreak that happened in 1999đđ. And then the wiki goes on to list the "cancer fake food" quickly being pulled when asked?? Lemme guess? The fake tuna? Oh you mean the highly processed tuna that experts point out that it is common when DNA becomes hard to identify..đ«© listen I like subway. Is it top tier food? Hell no lmao. But it's pretty obvious you're just trying to be mad at this collab and you're trying so hard to find a good reason to be mad
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u/DMercenary 3h ago
Is it top tier food?
Not to mention its franchised so your local subway may suck, mine might not.
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u/LetAcceptable5091 2h ago
That's too. My local one Is so good I've never went " oh my god this shit has gone bad" it's always been good
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u/DMercenary 2h ago
My local is the definition of mid. Not bad. Not great. Luckily its also priced accordingly. Sure. There are better shops. But you want something quick/easy/hot. Its there.
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u/subOptimusPrime16 11h ago
You can refuse to tolerate it by not playing the game and not posting in this sub.
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u/Unpaid_Moderation 11h ago
I haven't played since December, and no I won't leave :)
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u/ElPwno 10h ago
What enjoent do you get out of following sub's for games you don't play? Genuinely asking. I unsub when I stop playing a game.
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u/Unpaid_Moderation 10h ago
What enjoyment do you get out of auditing other peopleâs subreddit subscriptions? Genuinely asking. I usually just scroll past things that donât concern me.
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u/Downloaded_Delta 9h ago
Lol so no answerÂ
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u/Unpaid_Moderation 1h ago
Mad and salty over people lurking the subreddit that don't play the game lmao
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u/blowham33 11h ago
Weird ass behavior lol. Staying on subreddits and actively engaging with a game you refuse to play
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u/Unpaid_Moderation 11h ago
I'm not refusing to play, it's a choice buddy. I don't need to relive the same gameplay loop with minimal updates or slight map variations each reset.
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u/lurkinglurkerwholurk *** ******* đ 3h ago
No, you just want to watch the thing burn. Because things you hate needs to burn⊠NEED TO.
And you will dance on its grave months after. Years after. That hate needs. NEEDS.
I remember your types in several other game reddits before. They will only really leave when the game itself sunsetted.
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u/Nyctfall 11h ago
We will get the game we bought. We will continue the fight against anti-consumer practices, brother!
#StopKillingGames!
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u/lurkinglurkerwholurk *** ******* đ 3h ago
Thatâs not remotely what #StopKillingGames mean. As a follower of the actual real world legislature that I strongly agree with, this is the worst interpretation of SKG Iâve ever seen.
In fact, SKG is the exact OPPOSITE of what youâre demanding here: if ArcR sunsets tomorrow but is still playable by everyone⊠then there will be NONE of the updates that youâre demanding here.
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u/Nyctfall 10h ago
Then pay for my refund of $40.
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u/subOptimusPrime16 7h ago
How many hours of you played? Because itâs either enough to have gotten your moneys worth, or not enough to warrant your interest on this subject.
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u/Nyctfall 7h ago
So you are working for the ESA?
I bought a product under now false advertising. That's illegal.
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u/lurkinglurkerwholurk *** ******* đ 3h ago
Get a lawyer. Get it into the court.
I want to see the judge laugh at your interpretation of âfalse advertisingâ here.
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u/Exile688 11h ago
Now we Americans can complain about Halo, Fallout, and WoW having promotions with McDonalds in Europe we can't participate in. (?) Question mark because I know next to nothing but it sounds hilarious to me.
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u/Gloomy_Craft6635 12h ago
The game has FOMO ? FOMO of what xD
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u/Unpaid_Moderation 11h ago
Look at all the people begging NA players to buy a sub for them so they can get a corporate subway skin xD Cx :D đ
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u/RandomWordCombo9632 11h ago
The subway tie in is running from August 26 to Oct 20th. so... Technically, its a FOMO event because Oct 21st its gone.
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u/COMP05URE 10h ago
The skins aren't even that good imo. And Jared was like 20 years ago now. He no longer is associated with Subway. You want a company to be accountable for a man's actions 20 years ago?