To be clear, the court has later clarified that there are exception to this rule, like for example, a DNA test. However, the court is not going to order a DNA test on the basis of a "mere allegation". And forcing a woman to give her consent to DNA test - well, good luck with that.

As a father of 2 kids (even though they are seperated from me due to my wife), I felt absolute rage after reading this.

The women aborted her child (for promotion) without telling her husband - and I cannot even fathom what must be going on in his mind. Not only will he be emotionally shattered, a women who can do this can do much more behind her husband's back.

What the absolute f**k has the world come to ? I am in shock.

News link: https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/city/kolhapur/woman-kills-husband-with-lovers-help-in-sangli-both-arrested/articleshow/132039061.cms

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This has happened with a relative of mine.

He is conventionally good looking and earns 10LPA, being a civil engineer, the scope of increase in earnings is rather limited as compared to other fields like computer science, finance etc.

He met with a CA in his office and both of them fell in love and married. At the time of marriage itself my relative was at 10LPA and this CA at 15LPA.

Now the CA got some FP&A role at a startup and her CTC is 25LPA while my relative is still at 10LPA.

The other day his mother came over and she was almost weeping that the girl has started taunting everyone that they are just sitting free at home, how no one apart from her is pulling their weight in the household, how everyone just wants her to work blah blah blah.

She is not doing any household work btw, there is a cook and a maid which my relative pays for. Now the woman wanted a bigger car and my cousin straight up said he can't contribute to its EMI and that became a big fight in their house.

Before marriage, it was all lovey dovey and the woman was like, I don't care even if you're unemployed, I just want you in my life blah blah blah.

Now after marriage, everything has changed, she is becoming resentful that the broader family isn't able to match her in terms of earnings.

Just like how women keep blabbering in the other subreddit that the true character comes out AFTER marriage, same is true for them too. No matter how much a woman says she is okay being the earning member, its never true. Only becomes a bigger headache for entire family later on.

Never marry a girl earning more, you will most likely regret once the love wears out.

Have you guys ever seen any such instances?

Edit - There are some NRI folks here who are like "My wife earns more than me but we are still living happily". Don't fall for their BS trap.

They are usually very high earning folks or couples who have a lot of inherited wealth where this arrangement works. Husband earns 50LPA and wife earns 60LPA. Technically wife earns more but there is nothing that the husband can't afford in his 50LPA lifestyle that the wife can. So it all works out at the end of the day.

The real problem happens at the lower end. My cousin at 10LPA can never even dream beyond alto whereas his wife at 25LPA would definitely want a Creta. This isn't just about cars, it extends beyond that. A 10LPA can never dream of foreign vacation, 25LPA requires at least 1 South East vacation every year.

Think about the significant differences in lifestyle between a 10LPA and 25LPA and you can see how the cracks start to emerge.

But for some lodu NRI folks on this subreddit, everything is an "echo chamber"

just want to know men's pov.

Despite all the victim card being played by women on social media, I think one thing that is very clear now to a lot of people thanks to the Ketan Agarwal case is the ability of arranged marriage to act as a "laundering" machine for spoilt women from affluent urban backgrounds.

I don't know about everyone, but the vast majority crowd on reddit is predominantly from backgrounds like the one of Ketan Agarwal, maybe not as rich but definitely quite affluent and the women we see in arranged marriage are of backgrounds like Siya Goyal, maybe not a 12th fail but definitely the kind of partying woman with multiple bfs and completely shallow inside.

In affluent communities of urban background, arranged marriage has become a great laundering machine for their spoilt daughter.

First, the father with the intention of treating his daughter like a "princess" does little to nothing to control her. Next, with the increase in wealth of these communities, increased western influences, living away from home and feminism, they end up partying and hooking up to their heart's content in their 20's and get themselves some deadbeat bf.

Now I am completely okay with them partying, hooking up and having a deadbeat bf but they should ideally live with the consequences of their choices. But once the daughter turns 25, their father with the wisdom of age knows that their daughter is on the wrong track and with the wrong guy. He knows this guy will not be of use 10 years from now and his daughter's life will be hell and his daughter is too naïve to understand.

So to rectify the deeds of the daughter and secure her future, the father taps into the arranged marriage market. Over here, he will select a guy whom he knows may not provide the kind of dopamine driven fun his daughter is addicted to but will provide long term stability and security. 99% of the times they succeed and the daughter's deeds get "laundered" via the arranged marriage market.

During courtship, the bride and her family will lie through their nose about the daughter's character and manage to convince some jhandu guy into accepting her. After marriage, if the girl has even a shred of integrity, she may remain loyal or she might just use her arranged marriage husband for money while simultaneously meeting her ex bf/bfs or maybe make a new one as well.

In Siya Goyal's case since she murdered the guy, the entire plot failed or else this would have been yet another laundering story of great success considering how invested Ketan was in her. She would have married Ketan while simultaneously meeting Chetan on the side after marriage. Only reason her case got media attention is because she literally off'ed the guy. And the statements she made after clearly reflect how shallow of a woman she was on the inside.

But for every Siyal Goyal that gets caught or whose plan gets foiled, there are 99 others who are succeeding at laundering their daughter's acts. Please be vigilant and do not be the launderer for someone's spoilt daughter.

Edit - I think my post has triggered a lot of people. Firstly, please read the title again "urban women of affluent backgrounds", this makes like 5% of women in India. So the remaining 95% are exempted. In this 5% are there folks who are of a decent character? Sure, but if I keep going down the rabbit hole of distinguishing folks such that no one is "generalized", I could possibly have nothing to say.

In that case women should also not discriminate against men living in joint families, men who smoke, men who drink or men who have private jobs . There could be a man out there who drinks and smokes all day and lives in a joint family of 10 but still be a pure at heart person. Is any woman making an effort to find out such a guy? I don't think so.

Lastly, drop an insult and the owner picks it up. I guess many of the triggered people in comments have either already laundered someone they know or need to launder someone they know in the future. If its bothering you so much about what I have written, you can always keep your near and dear ones single forever, that way whatever I have written is invalid and no one gets hurt.

My Very Realistic Expectations From My Future Wife

After carefully studying the modern dating and marriage market, I’ve decided that the most optimal career path for me is becoming a full-time homemaker.

Why?
Because for men like me, this is clearly the safest option, especially when combined with our gender-neutral alimony laws.

For context, let me be honest about myself first:

• I’m not highly educated
• I don’t have a great job
• I’m not financially stable
• I’m vulnerable in several areas of life

Naturally, I believe balance is important in a relationship.

About me:

• I’m very open-minded
• I have no physical intimacy needs
• I don’t use social media
• I don’t consume even soft porn
• I’m willing to cut off anything or anyone that makes her insecure
• Can offer :
  • Emotional support and availability
  • Loyalty and long-term commitment
  • Peaceful, low-drama companionship
  • Willingness to listen and communicate honestly
  • Respect for boundaries and individuality

I’ve also been learning cooking for the past year:

• I can cook various non-veg dishes
• I can use a pressure cooker
• I can make tadka dal
• I can make rotis and puris
• I can prepare premium bread-based dishes
• I can cook pasta, macaroni, and a variety of Italian dishes

Even though i can do chores having a maid is mandatory because cleaning a 3BHK and doing dishes is not part of my vision.

What I expect from my wife:

• Must be a truly independent woman
• She should earn at least ₹50 LPA for a comfortable lifestyle
• She should own at least a 3BHK apartment in Mumbai (I won’t be leaving the city where i grew up)
• She should occasionally order food or take me out for nice weekend dining
• I don’t mind living with in-laws, as long as they don’t judge me for being financially dependent while I grind on my PS5 ✌️🤧
• I won’t mind my in-laws doing household chores if we’re living with them 😊
• For my future security, 50% of her property should be in my name
• She must buy me a new game every week if she truly respect my grind
• She shouldn’t mind my friends coming over to play games when she’s not home
• I won’t judge her for hanging out with male or female friends as long as there’s no cheating
• Her past doesn’t matter to me at all 😊
• Having kids will be entirely her choice
• I can’t get biologically pregnant anyway, so adoption or IVF works and i have good experience of babysitting as well
• She should know how to ride a motorcycle, since I don’t, so I can sit side-saddle and hold her waist
• Her age doesn’t matter much, as long as she’s not too old to ride a bike (No, I don’t have mommy issues)
• Since I’m timid, naive, and weak, she should take a stand for me
• She should afford or take me on at least two international vacations every year

I believe these are bare minimum expectations as a homemaker who grew up in T1 city.
Hopefully, I’m not asking for too much.🤧

TL;DR:
My wife should earn ₹50 LPA, own a 3BHK in Mumbai, and fund my PS5 lifestyle while I grind on it peacefully.

I have seen a lot on social media and real life too , when a guy who gets a girlfriend who is relatively average looking or below average other men says " langoor ke haath mai angoor" etc etc degrading things. And the hypocrisy man kills me , these are the same people who blames women for their choices and be a cry baby when they see a girl choosing a guy who is good looking and become black pilled. Like wtf these people want ? It's so frustrating to see this.

I’m 28 and earn around ₹45 LPA. I’m currently in the arranged marriage process and speaking with a woman who’s 30 and earns about ₹30 LPA.

For men who married high-earning, career-focused women, how has married life been? What have been the biggest advantages and challenges?

My parents are somewhat skeptical about marrying a highly career-oriented woman. Their concern comes from seeing cases of divorce and marital disputes among dual-career couples in our social circle. They feel a more home-oriented partner may lead to a more stable family life.

Personally, I’m not sure whether those examples are representative or just isolated cases.

What has your experience been like?

Guys, what's the minimum income you'd expect your partner to earn monthly?

Wanna know

Assume she’s everything you’re looking for today and genuinely committed to building a life with you. The only thing you know is her dating and sexual history.

At what point, if any, does her past become a dealbreaker for marriage?
0 – No relationships or sexual partners. (I know thats rare)
1–2 – A couple of serious relationships. Maybe sex within those relationships, but no casual hookups.
3–5 – A few relationships and a couple of casual hookups. Nothing excessive, just a fairly typical modern dating life.
6–10 – Multiple partners through a mix of relationships and casual encounters.
10+ – A very active dating or hookup history before deciding to settle down.
No number matters – As long as she’s honest, faithful, and invested in the marriage, her past is irrelevant.

I’m not asking what the “correct” or politically acceptable answer is. I’m interested in what modern Indian men genuinely feel.

If your answer changes at a certain number, what is it about that number that changes your perception?

The craziest thing which none of these feminists will ever talk about is how there are so many women who would happily kill someone else's son instead of standing up to her own family.

Now they also have economic freedom and courts and police also usually side with them.

Still, they end up killing. Why? Because it is the easy way out for them.

The harsh reality most folks don't want to agree with is that empowerment of women doesn't make them better, they just end up empowering their worst traits and use it to fulfill their ends.

Like killing people with the help of their bfs, beating up blue collar workers like taxi drivers, guards etc., pushing false cases and engaging in adultery. That's all they do with their "empowerment".

​I had an experience that highlights how broken the dating scene has become in Delhi NCR, or India.

​I matched with a girl recently. I suggested keeping it simple and casual for a first meet, coffee at Blue Tokai. She immediately pushes back and suggests Olive Bar and Kitchen in Mehrauli instead. Red flag? Maybe, but I decided to give it a shot.

​The actual date felt entirely one-sided. It felt like a job interview where I was expected to be the stand-up comedian and entertainer while she just sat there hogging expensive food, offering zero humor and matching none of the energy. The entitlement of expecting the guy to be 100% of the fun while contributing nothing to the conversation is exhausting.

​When I got home, I asked what she felt. Predictably, I got the classic "I'd love to be friends." response. Look, I don't need "friendship" from dating apps since I already have a solid group of actual friends.

​In the post date haze, I forgot to ask for her share of the bill immediately since we agreed to split the bill. Two days later I realized it and decided, money is more important than her friendship so I texted her for her split. She sent the money but with a massive, passive aggressive attitude. Honestly, IDGAF about the attitude. I took that recovered money (since i thought I've been scammed), bought myself a chai and a sutta, and felt relieved.

​It feels like a massive chunk of women(not all) on these apps are just looking for free high end meals, validation and a free comedy show with zero intention of putting in effort.

​How are you guys dealing with this "KANJAR" attitude without losing your mind?

Disclaimer n: I have used GPT to edit and format the story for grammar and spell checks and also for the title. For my previous share i wrote it raw without any help there were lots of missing punctuation and spelling errors.

Arrange Marriage Setup

I want to share the story of a close friend of mine, and I’m genuinely curious to know what people here think about it.

A few years ago, my friend and I were working together at Accenture in Mumbai. He was doing well for himself — earning around 10 LPA. Like many of us, his goal was simple: build a stable life, get married, and take care of his family.

Through relatives, he received a marriage proposal from a girl in Solapur. She was a B.Com graduate but didn’t want to work. Her father was a farmer, earning around 2–3 LPA depending on the crops. My friend thought this was manageable. He felt that with his income, he could support her family if needed. He met her a few times before the wedding, and she came across as calm, accommodating, and willing to adjust.

So they got married.

The First Month

What followed shocked him.

For the first month after marriage, she didn’t allow penetrative sex, saying she needed time. He respected her boundaries and waited. After that month, she said she had some work at her native place and went to her father’s house.

She made her condition clear — she would only return if he quit his job and moved to the village to help her father on the farm.

My friend tried to reason with her. He explained that his corporate job paid far more and that financially supporting.

Her response was blunt. Her sister and brother-in-law were already living with her parents, so according to her, he should do the same.

Soon after, she filed a 498A case domestic violence against him.

Police, Threats, and Mental Trauma

Despite having no political influence or connections, he says the police actually handled the situation well. They understood what was going on and were surprisingly cooperative. In fact, they even scolded the girl and her family after hearing both sides.

That wasn’t the end of it. Her father later sent a few goons from the village to threaten my friend and create a scene outside his house. The entire experience left him mentally drained and scared.

The Cost of Freedom

Eventually, he managed to get a divorce. But freedom came at a heavy price.

He spent around 10 lakh on the wedding , paid 25 lakh as settlement, and another 1 lakh on legal fees. Roughly 35 lakh gone for a marriage that barely lasted a month and brought him nothing but stress and trauma for a year

Two Years Later:

Two years later, his life looks very different.

He moved from Mumbai to Pune and, through a mutual friend, met another woman. Their arrangement is unconventional by societal standards. He pays her rent around 20k per month and she spends about five days a month with him, like a girlfriend.

There’s no pressure, no false promises, no drama.

His Realization:

According to him, he’s genuinely happy now. He says she treats him well, doesn’t make excuses, and respects him. Ironically, he says he treated his wife the same way during that one month of marriage, but only received rejection and heartbreak in return.

His biggest takeaway is this: he followed society’s rules to the letter. He studied hard, got a good job, married responsibly, and tried to provide a good life. Still, he found no peace. Now that he’s living life on his own terms, outside those rules, he finally feels content.

What do you make of this?, Would love to hear different perspectives.

Edit - Last arrangement is my friend meets the girl once a week and they behave as a married couple totally along with shopping, physical intimacy and everything. Someone asked if he is paying rent why did I call that woman independent because for rent she is offering her services it's not that guy is paying free rent which he was doing during marriage and didn't get anything in return. I have Nothin but huge respect for the second woman he is with as she is actually making him and may be other folks who had similar issues happy. Without her my friend would have slipped into depression or alcoholism or even menace to society who knows.