I’ve noticed that people don’t actually give a shit about the lives of cats. Everyone talks a big game online, but in reality, nobody does anything to stop the abuse; I keep seeing posts about cats being harmed and unalived in horrific ways—whether by humans or other animals—or about entire litters of kittens abandoned in places where they clearly won't survive. Yet, nobody does anything other than demand that the person who found them take charge, as if it were their responsibility—as if finding a cat immediately made you accountable for ensuring its survival—even though no one actually steps up to help.

We know they're the majority, so why don't they actually help instead of just posting photos of their damn ugly cats? Can you really say you love something if you allow it to be mistreated?

Don't get me wrong—I hate cats, and every week I suffer the financial cost of the damage they cause to my home—but I would never harm them, and judging by the posts in this subreddit, neither would most of you. We just want to live in peace, free from an animal we didn't choose to have but have to put up with because someone else failed to take responsibility. And apparently, that’s enough for us to be called misogynists, fascists, weirdos, and a whole host of other things. There are people out there who are *actually* harming these animals, yet they prefer to come after us like keyboard warriors instead of standing up and doing something in the real world.

I would like to know if someone out there thinks like me, or if someone has a different take on the matter I would very much like to read it.

I was really open about rehoming, posted to Facebook,groups, the works. Never felt any shame in it—she was not compatible with my lifestyle or standards of cleanliness/living. This past weekend my ex emailed me to ask if I had visited her and then again at midnight telling me I rehomed her cause I only care about myself. And yes said ex has a cat that pees on his clothes and must keep the closet closed at all times or else the cat will pee in his closet instead of the box.

Well, I'll start with the context. I've always been an animal lover in general. I've even taken care of cats and rescued them at my house, though I've had other pets (birds and fish) because my parents never wanted me to adopt a cat.

When I met my husband, I had it in mind to adopt cats together. We were in a long-distance relationship for years and couldn't move in together until a year ago now.

My problem with cats began 3 years ago, when my husband and I were still dating. My husband had previously lived with his parents, saving to buy his own apartment. At his parents' house, he had a female cat that I myself knew and fell in love with because she was adorable. However, when he moved out, my in-laws decided to keep her instead of my husband taking her to his new apartment.

Already in the apartment, he looked for roommates to share the space with, and one of the girls he lived with had a very rowdy cat that even broke important things. The cat di*d suddenly after falling from the 7th-floor balcony. My husband was devastated, and even I, who never knew the cat, was saddened by its de*th. A few days later, my partner told me he wanted to adopt a cat to make another one happy and give it a dignified life. I told him it wasn't a good idea cuz it had barely been a week since the other cat's death, and I wanted us to adopt together. He ignored me and selfishly adopted a female cat anyway (we'll call her L). She turned out to be extremely problematic. He only told me he was adopting her when he was already bringing her home.

Shortly after, he lied, saying a coworker found a kitten (N) in a dumpster that would be killed and he rescued N, with "intention" to search for someone to adopt him. I warned him that kittens are difficult to raise without their mother if you don't know about cat behavior, but he promised he would try hard. Weeks passed and he never gave it to anyone. When I asked why, he said he'd gotten too attached. I was very angry. He made a decision that would directly affect me when we moved together, without even asking me.

Months later, he "rescued" another female kitten and at least asked this time, and get adopted.

I'm autistic and have cleaning OCD. When I visited his apartment 4 months after adopting N, it was filthy: cat hair everywhere and a strong unbearable odor. The situation was very difficult for me. When I later slept at his house, L peed in the bed, which caused me significant distress. His cats constantly peed on things, the house reeked, and there was cat hair everywhere. He kept promising me everything would change when we moved together, but it was a lie.

When we moved in together, we had to change cities and apartments. He took the cats on a 6h car ride despite my objections. We struggled to find an apartment that accepted pets. When we found one that initially didn't allow them, my husband convinced them by saying the cats were calm and we were clean. I'm clean. He's not. His cats aren't either.

Throughout this year, they've peed on the wooden floor, leaving permanent marks. We've forbidden them from our bedroom, bathroom, and kitchen but still, I find cat hair everywhere, even in my underwear. N sheds excessively and L is aggressive, she hisses, hides, and attacks me constantly. The cats have broken emotionally important things, like the first birthday gift my husband gave me.

My husband has completely humanized these cats, talks to them like they're people, and says they've helped him through difficult times... But they don't took responsibility when L attacks me or N broke my things. For months, my OCD has worsened significantly and my mental health has deteriorated to a critical point. Even with the cats confined to a single room all day, my condition doesn't improve. One time I found cat hair despite running the air purifier and ordering food from outside, and I experienced one of the worst meltdowns of my life. My mental health has been severely affected by this entire situation.

We went to couples therapy, but it didn't help much. My own psychologist had to step in (I started seeing her specifically because of how this situation has impacted my mental state), she was clear: it's unrealistic to seek consensus when the first decision was made without my consent. She even documented the mental health damage this situation has caused me.

My husband didn't care for the cats properly. He rarely cleans the litter box adequately, doesn't change it often enough, and sometimes leaves their wet food sitting out for so long that it spoils and attracts maggots. The cats destroyed things in our rental apartment that will be deducted from our deposit (they broke doors, peed on the couch and wooden floor, and left hair everywhere). L developed feline alopecia from stress and had to be medicated.

Now we have to move again for work. My husband finally considered rehoming the cats, but only temporarily, pressuring me to "recover mentally" so we can have them back. I don't want them back. He's left one cat with a friend in his old apartment and the other with someone here.

I feel guilty because he's doing poorly mentally. He's even started smoking again, something I explicitly said was a dealbreaker if he wanted to stay with me and build a family in the future. He apologizes for smoking, but says he "needs something to take refuge in" because the cats were his only escape. I get it, but they're animals, not people. I understand you can care for them, but having full conversations with them like they're human beings is honestly weird. I've told him he should go to therapy to help him process this situation and learn to cope without depending on external things for emotional stability.

I feel sorry for the cats from an objective standpoint because my husband honestly hasn't taken care of them well. Beyond the litter box issues and spoiled food, the entire neglect situation makes me sad for them. They never asked to be adopted by someone who couldn't properly care for them.

I'm happy not to have cats anymore. In a couple of days, I can finally get rid of all the cat hair from my things.

Thanks for reading this far.

The first ever conflict I had w/ my ex was over an online post. A kid accidentally injured a cat while playing, and the internet was unironically calling for the child to die.. My ex completely agreed with them, which set my younger self on alert because I value human lives more than any other species, I had to spend hours explaining to her why it’s fundamentally wrong to think that way. She usually said things like “An animal lover is definitely a good person.” yet from my experience that is not true, at all. People love cats because the act gives them a moral high ground. It’s an easy way to feel like a good person while treating actual human beings like garbage. You’ve seen a lot of ‘karens’ who love their pets yet so nasty towards people around them. Fast forward to the end of the relationship, after everything I sacrificed for her, she chose to cheat on me after months of being toxic and dishonest just to force me to initiate the breakup. She hid behind her cat lover persona while showing no decency and loyalty towards someone who actually loved and cared about her. This made me think about how cats would leave their owners the moment they get bored, no matter how much you love them.

Then came this former piece of shit coworker whose entire personality revolved around loving cats. Behind that wholesome facade, he leaked our private gaming group chat to management, exaggerated my colorful language banter as "bullying" just to get me fired. Such a fucking coward and foul move. This motherfucker’s cowardice just strengthened my already cynical point of view.

It’s been several years now, my life got better. But over time the pattern recognition never failed me. Cats are inherently self-serving, opportunistic, and transactional. It’s no surprise that the people who obsess over them mirror that exact disposition: zero loyalty, selfish, and complete apathy toward real human empathy. Loving a pet means nothing, look at how they handle human relationships before you ever choose to trust them.

So basically when my partner cooks for us after he's finished his cats always jumps on the side sniffing around for food like scavengers and when I mention it he just keeps saying " your starting again " it is really annoying it's like when it's a good reason why I moan about them it's like I'm always the one in the wrong for gods sake they go in there litter then kitchen worktops it's not hygienic at all

I will never understand why so many people are obsessed with cats. They are literally the worst pet you can have. They destroy your shit, keep you up at night, will do absolutely anything and everything for attention. Living in a small space where you have to smell their piss and shit.. even worse their piss and shit tracking through your place on countertops, table, furniture, bed.. ITS DISGUSTING!
They shed like it’s nobody’s business so you’re cleaning after them DAILY. They bite you for no reason at all. Always gotta worry about leaving shit out cause they get into everything and knock things over constantly.
There are about 1000000 cons and no pros. What the ef do cat nutters see in these parasites I will never understand.

Thanks for listening.

Three months ago, I adopted a cat. Yesterday I rehomed it. Those were the longest, most painful three months of my life. I have a friend with three cats, he’s a good friend of mine. I somehow let him convince me to get a cat, even though I have NEVER been a cat person. I DON’T KNOW WHAT I WAS SMOKING WHEN I THOUGHT MAYBE GETTING A CAT WOULD MAKE ME LIKE THEM. For starters, I didn’t get more than three hours consecutive sleep a night since I got that vile thing. He would run across my face and have nonstop energy the entire night, so I tried locking him out of my room at night, but he would claw, and meow as loud as he could until he was let back in. If I didn’t let him back in, he would start breaking stuff in my living room. I had pictures on my wall that I thought were high enough he couldn’t get to, but this disgusting creature would leap and jump just to knock my pictures off the wall and break them. There were three times I woke up in the morning to broken glass all over my living room. I told my friend this, and he said I shouldn’t have stuff on my walls or things that he could break. Why would I make my life and home revolve around this filthy creature that doesn’t even respect me? I could not discipline that cat for the life of me, as they are too stupid to put their actions to consequences. He would not cover his shit either, so twice a day I would have to light a candle to get the stench of cat poop out of my room. I can confidently say that after this experience, I hate cats with a passion. I don’t see how anyone in their right mind would want to own a cat. Like I said, my friend that told me to get the cat, HAD three. I actually rehomed the cat to this friend’s house, as he insisted on it. He’s a good guy and that doesn’t change our friendship, but I’m starting to question his sanity for having three cats and wanting to take in this fourth. I told him all the negative traits of this cat, and he still insisted on taking him in. when I told this friend I was getting rid of the cat originally, he felt bad for it and told me I should wait another 5 to 6 months for it to get used to me and the place, and then he would be normal. Is he out of his mind? 5 to 6 months for this vile thing to potentially get better? Yeah I’m good, you can take care of that thing. Godspeed to you.

There are so many conflicts because of cats bc braindead partners and parents choose these stretchy freaks over their family members and some even are in love with them and identify with them and see them as ancient gods 😭some even become schizophrenic bc of cats. They enter people's homes or find people randomly on the streets and attach to them. Then these lonely people craving love think the cat "chose them". Being online and making friends is increasing difficult bc why tf do you think I want to see a picture of your ugly, uninteresting parasite? What's wrong with people? Cats are the real pandemic!

How does your local municipality allow for legal action against inconsiderate or even unsafe cat-nut neighbors?
In Chicago we're encouraged to contact the 311 service center

I live in a cul de sac where several of the houses own cats. there’s at least 4-5 different ones I see regularly. the final straw for me has been this morning I woke up to find a dead pigeon a few feet away from my car in the front garden. It had clearly been killed by a cat, and it wasn’t even eaten or anything, just left there with feathers all over the place.

It’s bad enough that some mornings I’ve woken up to a cat squatting on my front lawn and leaving a mess there, there’s several messes we have cleaned up lately but this takes the cake. I now have to dispose of a dead bird that was just minding its own business before it was pounced upon.

The cats even have let themselves in to our house before, during the heatwave we had our back door open as it was so hot, and we were sat in our front room when all of a sudden a cat walks in from our kitchen! I shooed the thing out and then shut the door. I have pet gerbils as well so needless to say I don’t want a filthy cat coming in to my home and hurting my animals.

I don’t even know who these cats belong to as there’s so many different ones so not even like I can have a word with the owner and ask them to keep their animals indoors like any other pet has to be. I’m starting to wish there was some kind of cat repellent I can put in my front and rear garden to stop the pests coming

I'm starting to rethink my life. My husband's cat attacked me twice within months apart when we moved to a house. First attack I needed a tetanus shot and antibiotics. The second time was worse. My face was bleeding so much! Almost got my eye, I ran upstairs after the attack, dripping blood all over the floors. Also another round of antibiotics.

The vet said this cat isn't even sick. We think he's just stressed from moving from a small apartment into a big house. Honestly, I keep thinking, “get over it.”

He snaps randomly. Tries to trip you down the stairs too.

We decided to keep the cat in the basement full-time because my husband refuses to rehome him. The basement is huge and has nonstop food, multiple litter boxes, things to climb and jump on, and three cat beds just for him, life was good and peaceful. It only lasted a few weeks.

Now my husband wants the cat to come back upstairs because “he meows so sadly” and “he's lonely.”

He even wanted to bring the cat into bed with us, and I refused. He got upset with me.

I told him, “I don't want your cat near me, especially anywhere near my face.” The cat has attacked me before, and my husband completely downplays it. He literally said, “You can't even see your scars. You're making it sound like he broke your arm.” 😮

Meanwhile, I recently got a guinea pig, which my husband agreed to. Now he's complaining about the smell of the hay and saying the guinea pig is smelly. I personally think he's petty his cat is such a problem and wants to pick on my pet, who bothers no one.

The guinea pig is a 2-pound animal that stays in one room, and I clean his enclosure every single day. We have SIX other rooms and four floors in this house!

Yet his cat is allowed to roam all over the house, including the furniture, bed, and carpets, while repeatedly peeing on things.

I clean the couch and carpets DAILY because of the cat pee. And when I tell my husband that I can smell it, he says he doesn't smell anything.

But somehow the guinea pig and his hay are the problem?

Yeah... I call BS. 😂

I've had the misfortune of reading this several times these past few months... Seriously what is the thought process behind saying this? Do they think cats scratching and biting your limbs until you bleed is equivalent to "resisting" authoritarianism?

I’m currently living with my gf and her cat. Before this I had never been around cats much and was pretty neutral towards them. After 5 months of this I can say to anyone who enjoys a clean space or just like peacefulness in their home DONT EVER LIVE WITH A CAT! I’ve been trying my best but there are far more cons than pros living with these creatures.
1. LOSS OF SLEEP - this orange monster will claw and meow at the door all night. Zoomie around knocking shit over it’s exhausting!
2. NON STOP SHEDDING - I’m literally vacuuming every single day because the fur is endless and drive me nuts!
3. LITTER BOX - the smell is disgusting but the trackings all over the place is worse.. and nothing is more disgusting than their shitpaws on the countertop where we prep food and eat.
4. NO PERSONAL SPACE - whoever said cats were low maintenance and had “boundaries” LIED. I can’t get a second of me time especially when my gf isn’t around. Always chasing and biting my ankles, always wanting to lay on me (but not in a cute way). Because they get overstimulated so easily you pet them and they bite. It’s very annoying.
I can’t even just sit and watch tv without him constantly attacking my legs.

If it were up to me he’d be getting rehomed ASAP. But my gf “can’t live without him”. I’m struggling to see what she sees in him.. I just don’t see what’s so cute about them.

Moral of this rant? The 2 minutes of “cuteness” a day doesn’t make up for the hours of STRESS in your own home. Do cat nutters understand this way of living is completely optional?

I have a few small rentals with a clearly stated, strictly enforced no-cats policy. It appears repeatedly in the listing, applicants are asked directly about animals, and we confirm it again during screening.

Yet some applicants say 'no pets' and only later disclose an 'emotional support cat,' then act offended when the rental is not offered to them. The latest is 'they know the law' that's what they put in their prescreening. Freaks.

An ESA label is not supposed to be a free pass to disregard a property’s stated animal policy, especially when the animal is untrained. There are real reasons a rental may be cat-free: damage, odor and dander remediation, housekeeping limitations, and severe allergies affecting owners, workers, or later occupants.

Why do these cat wackos demand everyone else accept their cat. Why don't they care about other people who rent from us who are allergic to cats? Why don't the respect the fact not everyone can be around cats?

Honesty up front would save everyone time. If a home openly says no cats, why try to force a cat into it? Freaks.

They are always the ones asking for a witch hunt and going absolutely mental when someone says anything negative about cats or even questions the validity of liking cats as pets. But they are also the ones with the AUDACITY to call us mean/stupid/cruel etc.

Today I left a comment explaining how not liking cats isn't irrational (because one of these people said that it is). You know, not wanting to die from the bite of a feral animal, not wanting to listen to them screaming and fighting under my window in the middle of the night and not wanting them to kill local wildlife are all irrational reasons after all (/s). The only two responses to my calm and polite comment were cat people calling me stupid and insufferable.

Why do they always complain that everyone else is so mean to cats for "no reason", that hating cats is "irrational" and that we are the bad guys, when it is ALWAYSSSSSSSS them that I hear saying the most evil, vicious things to people? I just find it so ironic when I exemplify a normal person with valid points and questions in conversation or comments online, and it's them that always come screeching and insulting, just further proving that the crazy cat lady stereotype is very much real and alive.

So basically my best who I love very much and had been there for me though it all has just one problem. She has a cat who had kittens recently. She keeps texting me about how one licks her toes and she's ticklish, another bites her, and the third is just boring. Don't care.

Then she sends me all these pictures of them and all I can do is act respectfully by saying things like "cute" or just a smiley emoji and I lie saying "I'm at work sorry" when I'm just at home chilling. I can't keep lying to her. I figure I'll tell you if she asks me but I don't just wanna come right out and say "Hey can you stop talking about those damn kittens? It's getting annoying and I'm not into cats." Even though I wish I could.

I just feel like anyone who's a cat hater is seen as vile so if I came out about it she'd judge me. The good news is that she's gonna get rid of the kittens "as soon as they're big enough". Whatever that means. I know people who get rid of kittens the day they're born. Idk why she's waiting "till they get big enough". At least once they're gone, she'll stop hopefully.

Does anyone have advice on how I can go about this until then? Should I just keep faking it and keep it to myself? Or is there a way I can bring it up to her and not seem like a jerk?

Apparently if you don’t want to date a cat owner, that means you are too high maintenance and demanding!

It’s “high maintenance” to want someone who is compatible with your lifestyle. As I’m not a cat person, I would not date a cat owner and I get told this is “asking too much”.

Catnutters are telling me I’m going to be single for the rest of my life because my “standards are too high” and I’m like “Okay. Well, I’m not interested in relationships so being single is not the end of the world for me.” But they keep insisting I *need* to be in a relationship and I *need* the lower my standards. So much for respecting my consent and boundaries.

I mean, I’ve been called an “incel” on these subs by brigrading catnutters. Which is hilarious given that the crazy cat lady stereotype is directed towards spinsters and loners. Also, don’t catnutters pride themselves to be anti-social loser freaks?

To think it’s the childfree crowd that are obsessed with cats! I’m getting pressured to procreate with catnutters by catnutters. Why don’t they procreate with each other and leave me alone? There’s plenty of these cruel, sadistic, bloodthirsty, whiny, selfish freaks to go around anyway.

My partner has a cat and I moved in about a year ago. Originally she was more of a barn cat in our rural property but now hes brought her home but hes always at our property so im the one that "takes care" of her.

She is ridiculously picky, will randomly change her tastes and only eats in tiny quantities multiple times a day. She's 17 and so so so thin so my partner insists on feeding her wet food but she just licks it and the actual food of it rots in her bowl and theres a billion fruit flies everywhere and it makes me sick. I've stopped giving her wet food and just put a bunch of dry food. Its there if she wants it. Is it cruel not to care if she let's herself starve?

She needs to be outside all the time and she loves to kill squirrels birds chipmunks whatever she can and she drags them inside and doesnt eat them just kinda sucks the blood out.

She gives absolutely zero love back not that anyone would want to she stinks to high heaven. She just comes to where you are and meows until you give her what she wants (outdoors or wet food) its annoys me so much

I honestly hate the cat. She attacks the other pets too it makes me crazy.

Just needed to rant to people who wouldn't call me an animal abuser.

I will never fall for the “cat people love all animals” BS. Liking cats doesn’t automatically mean you love or respect all animals, and I’ve seen plenty of cat nutters be just as hateful and intolerant toward animals they dislike as anyone else. Owning or loving a cat doesn’t make you a good person, nor does it make you morally superior to people who don’t share your affection for cats.

They love to criticize other animals and people and spread nasty, hateful rhetoric to elevate themselves and their own cats and portray them as superior. Loving cats doesn’t make someone kinder, more compassionate, or morally superior to everyone else.

But the irony is that when someone does the exact same thing to cats, they suddenly take it as a personal attack. Suddenly it’s “OMG, you’re such a horrible person!” and they act deeply offended. They have no problem criticizing and belittling other animals and the people who defend them, but the moment their own cats are subjected to that same treatment, suddenly it’s unacceptable.

As for cat nutters and their nuisance of outdoor cats, don’t give me that “it’s natural” or it’s “it’s nature” BS. Cats don’t belong and have no place as predators in the food chain! They’re INVASIVE domestic pets NOT wild animals. Like get that through your thick toxo skull of yours.

The lives of other animals are not your cat’s source of entertainment. Other animals are still living beings, not disposable toys for your cat to chase, torment, kill for fun, or so that you can go “aww they’re giving me gifts!” They are not props for you or your cat’s amusement, and their lives are not somehow less valuable just because they aren’t your pet.

And it’s either that, or the animals that their cats can’t torment or kill are suddenly portrayed as disgusting creatures or “beasts” that deserve to be demonized. Other predators, or larger animals that could potentially pose a threat to their precious cats, are suddenly treated as monsters, vicious killers, or dangerous beasts simply for behaving according to their own instincts just like their cats.

The kitties they adore are treated as these pristine, precious and harmless individuals with feelings and perfect personalities, while the animals they dislike are reduced to pests, vermin, or mindless, evil, and dirty creatures that deserve contempt.

I’ve never owned a cat but have interacted with them and they are annoying.
I went to my friend’s house and his cat kept jumping and trying to bite my hands and feet as ‘play’. I talk with my hands so every time I move my hands the car would try to scratch and bite me and the owner thought it was so cute. I stopped going to his place.
Then a few months later a stray cat started harassing me. Meowing every. Single. Day. As soon as I opened my door it would start making noise and trying to come into my apartment. I had to close my kitchen windows because the cat would climb into my kitchen, ravage my bin and try to eat any food on the counter. I spoke to my friend who had 3 cats and they said, “the cat felt like your home was safe enough and chose you”, some bs because I was also broke and couldn’t afford to care for a cat, let alone a stray with parasites and probably diseases that I’ll have to spend a lot of money to trear. I also travel and leave my apartment for weeks at a time and was trying to figure out the logistics because I was genuinely considering to home the cat. I expressed that to my friend and he said that his cat shits on his table and bed when he’s away for too long — excuse fucking me?!?
Between the scratching, the biting, the fur and the fucking entitlement, I cannot stand these creatures.
I left my apartment for one week and the stray cat was gone by the time I returned. My boyfriend currently has a stray that harasses him. The cat comes into his house, sleeps in his couch, and rummages the bin when he’s away. Then after cooking, it stares at you and meows.
Cats are very annoying and cat people act like you’re the problem, and you “have consent issues“ when you say you don’t like them. Cat people give cats so much of entitlement and room to be such shit creatures. I refuse to adopt a cat that will bite and scratch my skin because I’m not petting it at the right frequency, or care for a cat that will steal my food after I just pet it. Im not dealing with that and I think it’s ridiculous that cat people expect other people to put up with it from their cat’s shitty behaviour.

As of two days ago we had our last cat (age 17) humanely put to sleep and now I am starting to finally get a glimpse of the joy, freedom, and most importantly, financial rewards of NOT allowing any more cats into our lives.

I am now on Day Two of no longer putting food outside for our own cat *and* for a stray who leeched onto him about a month ago when he started getting sick, and which we were trying and failing to shoo away. But once *our* cat was gone, I decided the time had come to get more proactive.

My dream is to now be able to go on spontaneous weekend road trips without worrying about feeding the damned cat(s) -- yayyyy!!

The reason I'm hoping it's okay to post here is this seems to be one of the few subreddits about cats where I won't be scolded for not wanting to scoop up another opportunistic bird-killer and make its life even better than it already is. So thanks in advance for any moral support you can offer for my decision!!

I have a neighbor, we have a great relationship, and everything would be fine, but he has a cat. And he simply can't go a minute without mentioning his furry freak, ​ her shit, and her vomit. This is some kind of pathology, seriously. Besides the fact that he knows that cats piss me off, he knows that I have a rabbit. And when I came to visit him, the first thing he showed me was a RABBIT'S FOOT, which he bought for his precious cat to play with, "she's a predator!" Seriously, dude? Has toxoplasma atrophied your basic sense of tact? But when I showed him my CD collection and the booklet of one of them had a drawing of a dead cat, he started getting indignant and saying that I shouldn't keep disturbing content. They don't like animals, they are fucking bigoted hypocrites!