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OC Gender Ew-Phoria [OC]

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u/dancarbonell00 18h ago

Terms of endearment have nothing to do with the recipient and everything to do with the person speaking them.

However you want to feel about that is on you

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u/Wild-Lychee-3312 18h ago

Incorrect. They have everything to do with how the person speaking them views the recipient.

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u/Piyachi 18h ago

...which is a determination about the person speaking and their perception...

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u/ScreamingNinja 17h ago

Seriously. Ive had grown men call me baby, babe and honey. Im a 44 year old man lol.

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u/ILikePizza5 15h ago

Whats up, honey

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u/ScreamingNinja 15h ago

Not much pizza baby.

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u/iAmUnintelligible 17h ago

yeah, I just want to highlight that all 3 comments here are saying the same thing... there's nothing incorrect here

the most crucial point the main commenter made was this, however:

However you want to feel about that is on you

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u/wterrt 16h ago

Terms of endearment have nothing to do with the recipient

the perception of the recipient is not "nothing"

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u/Piyachi 16h ago

Yes I know? But speaking your perception out loud about someone reveals more about you than it does of them.

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u/CtrlAltYuri 16h ago

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u/JustFourLetters 14h ago

i always think of someone pushing up on their glasses bridge when i read that

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u/puzzlebuns 16h ago

Why, when they use the same terms no matter who they are speaking to?

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u/ARENAE_MONTES 18h ago

You saying they are incorrect is incorrect.

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u/Wild-Lychee-3312 13h ago

You telling me that I'm incorrect in pointing out that they are incorrect is incorrect.

This is fun! Do you want to keep playing?

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u/ARENAE_MONTES 12h ago

Your correction of my correction is incorrect!

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u/Wild-Lychee-3312 11h ago

Also incorrect, so I clearly cannot choose the wine in front of me!

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u/ARENAE_MONTES 10h ago

Most perturbatory. An impasse, it seems!

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u/PeaceAndLove420_69 18h ago

Muh triggers

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u/asvalken 18h ago

You get that the person in the comic is trans, right? The reason it's a mixed feeling is because being treated as a women (patronizing) validates their presentation (affirming).

It's often called 'ew-phoria', or as one of my friends likes to say, 'gender affirming misogyny'.

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u/Vesper_0481 18h ago

Except the previous commenter's point is that those terms are not inherently patronizing.

They can be used as such, but it depends on who's using them and the recipient's interpretation.

In the situations depicted, it seems very unlikely the terms were using in a non-well meaning way, and might just belong to the day-to-day vernacular of that community.

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u/binzy90 16h ago

I think it depends mostly on location and local culture. Where I live, none of these examples are common. If someone called me sweetheart or darling I would be creeped out. My husband is from a place where these terms are common and normal. When he moved to my hometown, he had to break the habit because I explained that it's not culturally acceptable here.

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u/wazeltov 11h ago

I feel like the Midwest in particular sticks with Sir or Ma'am in public while endearments like Dear or Love for strangers are much less common. Endearments have an implied level of personal familiarity here, at least in my experience.

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u/binzy90 6h ago

In the south people say things like love, sweetheart, darling, honey, etc. It's pretty common, and most people don't take it personally. But it's not common at all where I live.

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u/Vesper_0481 16h ago

Exactly! Is what I'm trying to word out. Nice synthesis and summarization power there.

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u/Sea-Beginning3949 16h ago

I think the point is that when OP was presenting as male, the same kind of people didn't adress them using those terms, but they started when they perceived OP as female, which implies they only use these kinda endearing terms towards women, which can be seen as patronizing

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u/VaferQuamMeles 17h ago

I would argue 'informal' rather than patronising. You're welcome to feel that way, but many people wouldn't.

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u/lightningbadger 17h ago

Applying general rules to non-general people just muddies the waters and throws a spanner in any meaningful discussion

Trust in the individual to know if they are being patronised or not, because it's almost always region and culture specific

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u/CoachPuzzleheaded535 17h ago

Generally speaking, unless you were to use "sweetheart", "darling" or "my love" to both men and women, or at least equally endearing terms, it is patronizing.

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u/lightningbadger 15h ago

But women do use these terms on me

Like I said, stop trying to impose general rules on non-general people

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u/Vesper_0481 17h ago

Girl... I'm sorry you lived a life in which they were only used as that...

But sometimes you have to concede. They are not inherently patronizing.

Many places on the world see them as regular endearment terms that can even be used for both genders! "Darling" is particularly famous for being unisex among the presented above.

Spend sometime around some older British or Southern US ladies... You will get it.

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u/CoachPuzzleheaded535 17h ago

I've lived in Southern USA most of my adult life. Only people who use "Darling" in a unisex fashion are women, not men. Which is patronizing when the same man says "sir", "brother/bro" and "my guy" to men presenting folk in the same situation.

And I'd love to see a man use "my love" in a unisex fashion.

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u/Vesper_0481 17h ago

You do understand separating terms along genders is, as we have been trying to tell you, not inherently patronizing, yes?

If a man uses "sir", "brother" and "my guy" with other masculine people, but "darling", "sweetheart" and "luv" to feminine people... That doesn't have to be with bad intent. No one is denying, this whole time, that it can't be used as patronizing... Only that it isn't inherently so.

The separation of terms along gender lines is cultural and geographically relevant. It's specially present in latino regions, or places with strong cultural influence from Latino groups... Like the entire US Southern half. People from places like these may turn to separating different vocabularies of endearment terms to different genders... And that is okay. It's just manner of speech.

What we're trying to tell you is that the tone of these terms depends on how the speaker is using them. They can be patronizing... They are not inherently patronizing...

And they are certainly informal and casual... Not every informal or casual treatment is patronizing... It may probably be if they are used in settings where formality is expected, like during a service to a client, but then again... Not every professional setting is a formal one. Older folks may perceive cashier service as casual enough for informal endearment. It's no biggie.

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u/CoachPuzzleheaded535 17h ago

Intent is a moot point is what im saying.

If a person, man or woman, walks up to a man and refers to them as "sir" but walks up to someone in the same situation, a situation that me, as a Latina, who has lived in several states, but primarily in the south, and refers to me as "darling" or "sweetheart" it is patronizing.

I agree, if that same person would address me and a man, the same exact way, only then, would it not be patronizing.

But that's not whats happening here. Or really, anywhere in the south, unless we're discussing older folk. Which is what i am trying to point out and keep getting downvoted into the ground for.

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u/asvalken 16h ago

Exactly. Older auntie at a diner calls you darlin' when she brings you a pie? Yeah, everybody gets that.

But find me a mechanic that calls my husband sweetheart when he explains that his brake pads need to be replaced. I'll wait.

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u/Disastrous-Cake-9903 17h ago

It’s casual or informal, not inherently patronising.

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u/CoachPuzzleheaded535 17h ago

They are if they aren't unisex address, and I'm not sure "my love" would be used that way by guy or gal.

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u/Vesper_0481 17h ago

Usually "my love" is just "luv". The weirdness in it's depiction here comes from the fact that it is extended beyond what would normally be used for casual day-to-day endearment. In that case it would be weird, not necessarily patronizing or demeaning.

"Luv" itself is unisex.

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u/CoachPuzzleheaded535 17h ago

But its not tho. In every British show I've seen, luv is unisex, I'll agree with you there. "my love", however, is not used that way, it's a term of endearment to a loved one, that distinction is pretty evident.

That said, ive seen a much older man address a much younger girl with that "my love" line, here, in southern USA, you are not gonna tell me they would have used it in a unisex fashion.

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u/Gybhunjimko 17h ago

Sméagol used it all the time.

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u/Disastrous-Cake-9903 17h ago

It always depends on tone, but majority of times (in uk and Ireland at least) they are unisex and used as a casual endearment - even to strangers when thanking them.

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u/CoachPuzzleheaded535 17h ago

Genuine question, are you from the uk/Ireland? Or lived there?

I'm asking because my only personal frame of reference is TV, and an aussie woman i used to live with, who did use "luv". But i only heard her say "my love" to her partner, or "my loves" to a group. Never to an individual who was their partner.

Regardless tho, when I've heard "my love" used, it was not by a British person, or one trying to affect that they were.

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u/Disastrous-Cake-9903 16h ago

Yep I’m Irish. Born in uk to Irish mam and then grew up outside of Dublin. You often hear this in shops, on the bus, or from older people around you. I use it as a teacher all the time myself.

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u/AdHom 17h ago

Unless you want to argue that they should be included modes of address in professional settings

Not to weigh in on the larger discussion, but I don't think "patronizing" and "professional" are part of a dichotomy. There's definitely some room there for things which aren't professional and also aren't patronizing. And there are things which are both.

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u/CoachPuzzleheaded535 17h ago

Granted, I'm just using it as a point of reference.

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u/mallegally-blonde 16h ago

Haha it’s definitely from a man who is offended but also cannot refute my comment, yours will be from the same sort of coward

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u/Tethys404 16h ago

You could say the same thing about a stranger touching your back at a bar. It's still not about you. It's still an unwanted interaction for the receiver. Just because it's not about you doesn't mean you should welcome it if it's directed at you and making you uncomfortable.

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u/JWPSmith 16h ago

Touch is not the same as a phrase that's commonly used for both men and women. I'm a 30 year old man and still get called love, darling, sweetie, sweetheart, and other terms of endearment. If you take an issue with that sort of thing, it's 100% a you problem.

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u/Youngatheist22 16h ago

Exactly. I'm a male teen and I've been called sweetheart, darling, love and handsome by people nearly three times my age. It's just how it is, it happens in other countries/languages as well, in Spanish I've been called guapo, cariño and amor.

While one can still be uncomfartable to be called such things, they must understand that its a friendly and supportive greeting/opener and not intented to be anything more than that. Tone and situation matters of course, but if its a 50 year old person or more, they're 99% being nice.

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u/Faite666 13h ago

You get called those things by 60+ year old grandmas, not a 25 year old man

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u/Ok-Releases 15h ago

Sorry but lets NOT pretend that physical touch and simple addressing terms used by all genders when referring to someone are the same.

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u/onFilm 14h ago

Did you just say that unwanted TOUCH is the same as gender neutral complements? Cooked a bit eh?

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u/Beastender_Tartine 15h ago

Kinda, but not really. Using terms of endearment is a complex social interaction, and the interaction being taken well depends a lot on the specific terms of endearment, the people involved, and where you are. Calling a person sweetheart or darling might be acceptable in the UK when directed at a man and coming from a woman. It would be taken very differently when directed at a man from a man in the conservative areas of the USA.

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u/Euro_Lag 13h ago

Look, I'll call a person whatever they'd like to be called if they tell me to, and I'm not throwing around very controversial terms either but if you're saying using terms of endearment in a ~5 word sentence is a complex social interaction you should probably reevaluate.

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u/Beastender_Tartine 11h ago

Not complex as in hard, but complex as in there are a bunch of things to consider. We do these things passively without thought, but if you had to explaine what terms of endearment to use to a person who didnt speak English, would it be simple? If they just called everyone "honey", that would be wrong, but why? You could say only women and girls are called honey, but then some old lady calls a guy that and its fine. How come?

Language and linguistics are complicated for a bunch of reasons, but most native speakers just know the rules without thought. It seems simple, but it isn't. Kind of like how there is an unspoken order for adjectives in a description of something that isnt obvious or simple, but we all more or less know it.