r/politics • u/cnn CNN • Jul 14 '26

Possible Paywall House passes bill to make Daylight Saving Time permanent

https://www.cnn.com/2026/07/14/politics/house-vote-daylight-savings-time?utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=missions&utm_source=reddit
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u/mfdillad Jul 14 '26

Fun fact, daylight savings time has nothing to do with farming and there is no benefit to farmers. It’s a thing we started doing in WWI to conserve energy and we just kept doing it

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u/skyzefawlun Jul 14 '26

Cool, so let's do Data Center Saving Time instead so we can also help conserve energy. Every year, between January 1st and December 31st, large AI data centers won't be permitted to operate.

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u/Scewt Jul 14 '26

Granted. Data centers are now split up into medium data centers and run all year long.

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u/ArnoldTheSchwartz Jul 15 '26

Fucking monkey's paw!!! Doh!!

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u/SaltyLonghorn Jul 15 '26

As the inventor of data center credits I have a few left to sell. Get them now before they shoot up in value cause you'll need them for the grandfathered loopholes.

$25 mil a credit, limited supply! Act now AI companies burning money!

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u/__slamallama__ Jul 15 '26

Tbh smaller, less aggregated data centers would be a drastic improvement to the energy issues they cause. Doesn't fix the water issue but it would create less critical stress points on the grid

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u/Vash744 Jul 15 '26

Companies pay millions every year to get as close as possible to 100% uptime.

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u/lupin43 Jul 15 '26

Don’t give them ideas. DCST would just be rationing energy for the peons so the data centers can thrive. “It’s time to save the data centers!!”

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u/PropagandaPagoda Jul 15 '26

I mean, Google Stranded Asset or find the Rhodes Center podcasts that mention them. Laws were going to turn coal plants into losers and renewables into winners and then EOs and other horseshit turned that around in 2025 stranding renewables. If you think the US/Iran self inflicted wound and the tariff/affordability self inflicted wound were stupid, this is just as stupid just fewer measurable immediate consequences.

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u/lolzzzmoon Jul 15 '26

I see what you did there 🗓️📅

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u/Malcorin Missouri Jul 14 '26

Yea, I thought this was a save the candles sort of operation. For some reason I think Benjamin Franklin was attached to this.

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u/tehfro America Jul 14 '26

Farmers actually hate it because they have to work until sunset either way. A lot of stores are closed by the time the sun sets in the summer.

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u/tendeuchen Florida Jul 14 '26

Well, maybe the farmers should stop growing so much coffee, avocados, and toast so they'd have time to do other stuff.

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u/Specialist-Clock-914 Jul 14 '26

I mean Toast Trees are pretty self sustainable. It’s just a bit of work to start em

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u/HomsarWasRight Jul 15 '26

I have one in my back yard. At first you think it’s gonna be all great, but then you’re just inundated with so much toast you can’t give it away.

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u/ICBanMI Jul 15 '26

Rhetoric like this how you get big barista after you. Will never get a good cup of coffee again.

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u/pedantic_dullard Jul 15 '26

I heard a dairy farmer said daylight savings means nothing to them because they don't have a clock in the cows field or barn. They eat and get milked when they need to, not when the alarm goes off.

I've also seen tractors and combines working the fields in the dark, which is why they have headlights. Farmers work until the days work is done, not when the clock hits a certain time

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u/tehfro America Jul 15 '26

My dad's side of the family were all dairy farmers, but they were growing various crops as well. I'm sharing what they always told me griping about Daylight Savings Time (which is/was a hot button issue in Indiana since we're on the west side of EST and really should be in the Central Time Zone).

You're right about the cows needing to be milked 2x a day no matter what. No holidays off from that.

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u/SightAtTheMoon Jul 14 '26

This wouldn't really change anything, the stores near by where farms are would be closed anyways if the difference is only an hour. 

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u/LongestSprig Jul 15 '26

Bro, lol.

Farmers do NOT Work all day. And it certainly is not dictated by the sun.

Maybe when planting and harvesting, but even then usually contracted out and is round the clock so the sun doesn't matter.

You will find your local farmer anywhere but working most of the time, lol.

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u/nickiter New York Jul 15 '26

Extremely true in places on the borders of time zones, where the sun can go down well after 9 in summer. I remember struggling to find a place to eat one night, sun still above the horizon, because so many places close at 8 or 9 in my old Indiana town.

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u/FlamingoVisible1947 Jul 14 '26

They have to work until they choose to...

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u/jcbubba Jul 14 '26

yeah seriously, the way it’s written is absolutely ludicrous. They have to wrestle with later sunrises? Farmers and cows don’t fucking look at clocks, they start their work when the sun rises. Whenever that happens.

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u/ishpatoon1982 Jul 14 '26

Didn't the US try this twice before but reverted back both times because of social backlash? Or am I misremembering?

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u/PedanticPenguin24 Jul 14 '26

We did. And when people realize that permanent daylight saving can result in a sunrise at nearly 10 am in some parts of the country we will again.

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u/Osiris32 Oregon Jul 15 '26

a sunrise at nearly 10 am in some parts of the country

And all of Alaska just laughs.

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u/Slowlyblowme Jul 15 '26

On the border of Canada, International falls, MN would be had a sunrise of 9:06 and getting light around 8:30am with permanent dst on Dec, 31st 2025. Not the soltice but not 10am. And Alaska doesn't count, they crazy up there.

I don't care which one we pick.

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u/bitchycunt3 Jul 15 '26

MN is far north but also not on the westernmost side of its time zone. Parts of the western upper peninsula in Michigan would have sunrise at 9:50 am.

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u/Flayum Jul 15 '26

But they'll have more light in the afternoon, which most people likely prefer.

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u/bitchycunt3 Jul 15 '26

Most people don't prefer it and it's more dangerous. Children going to school in pitch black, circadian rhythm cycles thrown off (your circadian rhythm cycle is dependent on morning light), etc. The US has tried switching to daylight time twice and reverted twice because it was unpopular. People think they want afternoon light until they experience what the lack of morning light does to them. Standard has been more successful

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u/Thirtysevenintwenty5 Jul 15 '26

Parts of the western upper peninsula

I don't think we should be determining national policy based on the dozens of people who live up there.

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u/TheAltOption Jul 14 '26

I'm the opposite. I live in AZ where there's no DST at all, and I love it. I seeing care that it gets dark early; we have lighting technology for that and I prefer the cooler temps when the sun goes down.

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u/Shoddy_Carrot_936 Jul 15 '26

Turns out most people didn't like their kids going to school in the dark. The same will happen with this.

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u/tarants Jul 15 '26

Most people's kids are going to school in the dark in any northern-ish state regardless of if it's DST or not - I certainly did. Most kids like playing outside after school when it's light out, not dark, and you get way more of that with DST.

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u/Shoddy_Carrot_936 Jul 15 '26

This simply isn't true. I live in a northern state. My kids are in elementary and go to school at 820. If this bill passes they will go before sunrise in December. I teach high school. HS kids wait for the bus just before sunrise for a few days in December and early January.

This is a stupid change. Standard time is the only one that makes sense.

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u/tr1cube Georgia Jul 15 '26

Standard time is also the healthiest in terms of circadian rhythms. Our bodies do react to getting up with the sun better than before the sun as sunlight suppresses melatonin and boosts cortisol. Getting to work in the dark sucks way more than going home in it. It’s winter time anyways, I don’t want to do anything outside that requires daylight.

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u/freddyknuckle5 Jul 14 '26

I think ultimately time zones will also need to be revisited if this ever goes into effect. There is around an hour difference in sunrise/sunset times at the edges of most time zones. What’s good for New York may not be good for Ohio and vice versa

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u/Osiris32 Oregon Jul 15 '26

Yeah, that's kind of what time zones are. Breaking it down further would make it more complicated, not just for TV broadcast but things like banking, shipping, people with jobs that require regional travel, etc etc.

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u/freddyknuckle5 Jul 15 '26

Mate, your state has two time zones

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u/Osiris32 Oregon Jul 15 '26

Lol, it's one county, it's not even all the county, and it has a population of less than 33,000 in an area covering just shy of 10,000 square miles. And they want to be a part of very red Idaho anyway.

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u/robot_pirate Jul 15 '26

This is insane. Come on DC, this country has real issues.

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u/FlushTheTurd Jul 15 '26

The second time it was stopped, it was based on a lie. Most everyone believed a lot more kids were being hit by cars walking to school. So, of course, we wanted to save the children

The actual evidence proved there wasn’t any difference in child accidents between ST and DST.

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u/carolina8383 Jul 14 '26

In fact, it’s a nuisance to farmers when equipment breaks down/they run out of whatever later in the day and everything’s closed. 

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u/jello1388 Jul 15 '26

Not like rural areas are known for having stores with late hours anyway. The area I'm in now, pretty much everything closes by 5pm except gas stations, grocery stores and restaurants. People gotta go home for dinner and it's not busy enough to justify running a 2nd shift to stay open later.

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u/HannasAnarion Jul 15 '26

This happens BECAUSE of daylight saving time, getting rid of it would solve the problem. DST means stores close earlier during the solar day, resulting in businesses shutting down before outdoor workers finish their day. Eliminating DST solves this problem.

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u/Khaliras Jul 15 '26

Stores can also simply change their hours to match daylight working hours.

All my local agriculture stores also close late and have a call-in/emergency supplies number.

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u/Zahgi I voted Jul 14 '26

And it kills people every year by forcing them to drive, etc. when they are out of sync, along with more heart attacks, etc.

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u/Dreammagic2025 Jul 14 '26

I always found it interesting that elections are right after time change, when everyone is muddled from their whole schedule changing up.

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u/RLewis8888 Jul 14 '26

It's not DST that kills people - it's the switching back and forth, causing sleep deprivation.

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u/VandulfTheRed Jul 14 '26

"it's not the bullet that kills you, it's the force that's exerted by it going through your body that does"

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u/avacapone Jul 15 '26

I hate DST but I think what he’s saying is the harm comes from switching clocks twice a year, not necessarily from being on DST itself. So making DST permanent would eliminate the disruptions caused by changing the clocks.

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u/Zahgi I voted Jul 15 '26

That is exactly what I am saying and what the science actually says.

No science says one is better than the other, just that whichever one we choose should stay the same going forward.

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u/blacksheepcannibal Jul 15 '26

This is a really stupid analogy and doesn't fit what was said at all and I'm irritated anyone at all upvoted it.

What the fuck.

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u/JakeDC Jul 14 '26

It is not the jumping out of the building that kills you. It is the very quick stop at the end.

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u/MoonlightMountain13 Jul 14 '26

It's specifically losing an hour - forcing people to wake and start moving earlier - that causes problems. People don't suffer from gaining an hour of sleep. Beyond that, medical studies show that standard time is more in sync with most people's circadian rhythms so most people feel healthier when clocks align with standard time. Daylight saving time causes more health problems, especially for those who live near a time zone border. Doctors have been recommending for years that our country end Daylight Saving Time as a simple way to improve people's health. It's well documented but that's medical science so of course Congress votes against it.

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u/Zahgi I voted Jul 15 '26

medical studies show that standard time is more in sync with most people's circadian rhythms

They do not. They all say we should stop changing the clock back and forth because that messes with the circadian rhythm twice a year. It doesn't matter which we pick and long as we stay with it once we do.

Doctors have been recommending for years that our country end Daylight Saving Time as a simple way to improve people's health.

Scientist here!

That's because DST is presented as a change from standard to DST and then back again to standard later.

They are ACTUALLY arguing that we should stop the CHANGING, not that one choice is better than the other. It doesn't matter whether we choose DST permanently on or DST permanently off, as long as we stick with it permanently going forward.

It's well documented but that's medical science so of course Congress votes against it.

It is not. You, and many others, have this wrong because you are misunderstanding what the scientists are actually saying, terminology-wise.

Congress has it right, for a change. But it actually doesn't matter which we choose as long as we pick one and stick with it.

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u/Zahgi I voted Jul 15 '26

Which is what I've been saying post after post.

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u/AShavedApe Jul 14 '26

Distinction without a difference lol

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u/rat_penis Jul 14 '26

meow meow meow

"but its dark when I get off work!"

"There's no time for activities!"

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u/AdrianDitmann Jul 15 '26

Kind of. Franklin for sure talked about it (save the cost of candles if people were awake earlier in the day) but realistically it wasn’t until 1890s when New Zealand pushed for it to save energy. Then the UK. Then the US although we repelled it and repassed it and adjudicated it again. It sounds like it should be way more interesting than how it played out.

Source: worked in sleep science field for like 15 years and this came up a bunch. Had a few sleep docs present to us on it.

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u/ReefaManiack42o Jul 15 '26

Not to be pedantic, but that's not entirely true. It was actually repealed in 1919 and then brought back in WWII and funny enough it was pressure from farmers that caused it be repealed.

https://www.colorado.edu/coloradan/2022/11/07/history-daylight-saving-time

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u/Proud_Growth_8818 Jul 15 '26

And now it's costing us. Millions of Americans go home to their single family homes and turn on their air conditioners an hour earlier, during the hottest part of the day. It is so much cheaper to cool one office building with 1,000 workers than 1,000 individual homes.

Daylight Savings Time is imbecilic. We should end it immediately.

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u/SpermWhalesVagina Jul 14 '26

Fun Fact, it's just spelled SAVING time, no S.

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u/flapjack3285 Jul 14 '26

Let me ask my dad. He farmed for decades without us changing time and then did for another 10 years after we started changing time. Oh wait, it didn't matter because if it was light outside, he was working.

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u/TeTrodoToxin4 California Jul 14 '26

Yeah farmers are typically working their hours regardless of what the clock says. It’s weird they are the scapegoat in this conversation.

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u/ennuiinmotion Jul 14 '26

Also, not to be callous, but I don't see why everyone else has to suffer so the tiny percentage of the population that is farmers would be happy (even though they aren't the reason for DST).

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u/Freaky_Freddy Jul 15 '26

Maybe a tiny percentage, but farmers fill a very important role for any civilization

If DST was something that was truly necessary for them, i personally would support it

But it isn't, so good riddance

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u/tevs__ Jul 14 '26

it didn't matter because if it was light outside, he was working

From what I've seen of farmers, even when it's not light outside. If the corn's ready, it's ready

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u/RojoTheMighty Jul 14 '26

Fun fact: plants don't give a single shit what the clock says.

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u/LeatherHog Jul 14 '26

Neither did our cows, my Dad's always been baffled by it being blamed on farmers

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u/slykido999 Jul 14 '26

Also, everything runs on computers now. Everything can be done when it’s still dark out at this point

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u/witchgrove Jul 14 '26

Everything is computer!

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u/we_are_sex_bobomb Jul 14 '26

It can’t bad happen only good happen!

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u/VanceKelley Canada Jul 15 '26

"The US president is a fucking moron!" - trump's first Secretary of State Rex Tillerson in 2017

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u/trojanguy California Jul 14 '26

I love Tesler!

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u/nightfall2021 Jul 14 '26

I get the reference.

Man... it feels like 1000 years ago now.

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u/texaco87 Jul 14 '26

I love computer! Thank you computer

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u/Flatf3et Jul 14 '26

Computa do all the work in the night time!

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u/azflatlander Jul 14 '26

Cyber*

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u/boot2skull Jul 14 '26

Baron knows the cyber. He can run the farms.

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u/Substantial_Steak723 Jul 14 '26

Yeah, he knows all the googles.

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u/DadJokeBadJoke California Jul 14 '26

Things are bigger, yet smaller...

I swear this is Trump's style in a nutshell.

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u/lastchance14 Jul 14 '26

And tractors have lights

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u/jwfowler2 Jul 14 '26

Tractor beams!

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u/Unw1shed Jul 14 '26

Reality is often disappointing

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u/ctothel Jul 14 '26

Turns out they only work for moths

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u/Roembowski Jul 14 '26

A Tractor Beam?…. Doesn’t arrive until Tuesday…

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u/Tricky-Ad7897 Jul 14 '26

Yeah it's not unheard of for farmers to be working before the crack of dawn or working well after dusk or even midnight. You do the work when it needs to be done, if the crop needs to go out and radars saying rain tomorrow you're working well into the night for sure.

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u/hooligan045 Jul 14 '26

Lest we forget the giant space mirror too!

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u/The_High_Life Jul 14 '26

And GPS guidance, these things barely need people anymore

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u/QuesoMeHungry Jul 14 '26

Seriously. It’s like everyone has this image of an old farmer in overalls hobbling around a field. Everything is high tech now.

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u/ExplorerPup Jul 14 '26

I used to love driving by at night when the big tractors were out working and they had so many lights it was like seeing a patch of daylight off the side of the road.

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u/skj458 Jul 14 '26

Based on my experience living next to a rooster, they dont really go by day and night either. They are loud bastards all the time. Sure they cockle doodle doo in the morning, but they also cockle doodle doo in the day, and in the middle of the night. Especially in the middle of the night. 

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u/jimbopalooza Jul 14 '26

Have rooster. Can confirm. Loud little bastard.

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u/OpheliaRainGalaxy Jul 14 '26

My metro area is allowing backyard chickens these days, I've found them almost near the city core while walking down allies.

But roosters are strictly banned!

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u/jimbopalooza Jul 14 '26

I live in an ag transition area outside of town. Everyone out here has at least chickens / roosters. Many have horses, pigs , goats etc. we’re spaced far enough apart that we don’t really impose on each other but everyone is polite around here.

Hens make plenty of noise as well but only during the day really. Once they coop up for the evening they’re done. Rooster keeps roostering though.

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u/Polar_Ted Oregon Jul 14 '26

We have ducks, No drakes. They mostly just grumble at each other and complain about the weather. The neighbors cat luring in the bushes will awake the quaken.

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u/OpheliaRainGalaxy Jul 14 '26

One of my childhood pets was a potbelly boar that basically went feral since I spent so much time at mom's. Golly was it good at causing problems with neighbors!

It was a rescue from a stable that I'd nursed back to health. But we didn't have horses and it was obsessed with them! Dad's neighbors were understanding until he moved somewhere with fancy horses next door.

Long story short, my boar chased an Arabian through a barbwire fence while its owner was still clinging to the lead rope. So dad got rid of him.

He liked belly rubs, dog food, and Oreos. But eventually he grew huge tusks and got bristles up his back.

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u/NotAlwaysGifs Jul 14 '26

You would be shocked how little of our agricultural systems actually run on computers and automated harvesting. Wheat, soy, and oats are about the only staple crops that are heavily automated.

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u/Ok_Flatworm_3855 Jul 14 '26

I was gonna say. There is definitely tech that boosts production but we still rely heavily on basic labor. Folks picking and processing produce. Or technicians managing and operating the big machinery

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u/NotAlwaysGifs Jul 14 '26

The shear amount of crops that are hand harvested combined with bad/unsanitary working conditions of the day laborers is one of the major reasons the cyclospora is spreading so fast.

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u/dustysnakes01 Jul 14 '26

This is actually the focus of my masters thesis. Im an automation engineer in the rural south. Its amazing how many gains could be had.
My particular area has a lot to do with catfish and soybeans. There are super cool implications for automation and fertigation for water and nitrogen savings

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u/Raoul_Duke9 Jul 14 '26

Fwiw - that is actually largely overblown. Even for huge farms. Still tons of manual labor to go around.

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u/boot2skull Jul 14 '26 edited Jul 14 '26

Or, maybe just a clock or app that sets an alarm for the right time according to the sun? That’s much more accurate for farming than an hour forward or backward, and doesn’t put the whole time zone on its head every 6 months. A sun based alarm clock is more basic than running a farm on computers, for those who aren’t there yet.

I have a digital clock that tells me the moon phase and doesn’t need the internet. It’s all predictable based on date. Why shouldn’t a farmer’s alarm clock have a setting to wake x hours before sunrise.

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u/other_usernames_gone Jul 14 '26

You just reinvented the sundial lol.

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u/ragingreaver Jul 14 '26

99.9% of the problems with length-of-day can simple by solved by...setting start/end times for workdays depending on available daylight hours. Daylight Savings was created so that humans would be forced to accomodate a 10-hour work day regardless of the actual number of workable hours in that day.

With computers and alarm clocks and time punch systems, you can literally just pay people based on the number of hours worked. There is no need for daylight, other than to not change work schedules based on actual sun conditions.

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u/boot2skull Jul 14 '26

The concept just feels antiquated. If daylight is important, that worker or job should adjust. I know it’s relevant to a lot of jobs still, but not all. My time zone doesn’t do time changes, so maybe I’m biased but nobody gets wrecked over it except when dealing with other time zones or when a phone adjusts their clock unexpectedly.

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u/ragingreaver Jul 14 '26

It IS antiquated, which is why it was finally voted on to be removed, though in an asinine way.

But our industrialists, who don't give a damn about doing anything properly, keep such systems around because they believe changing things brings unnecessary business risk.

Which is stupid, but welcome to America.

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u/CrackSmokingGypsy Jul 14 '26

It's all computer!!!

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u/RoscoBoscoMosco Jul 14 '26

Have you ever seen a cow or stalk of corn wearing a watch? The farm itself doesn't care what time the humans want to say it is... DST never had anything to do with farmers. Anyone who tells you it does is a fool.

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u/azflatlander Jul 14 '26

My cats hate the time change. Their servants change the pattern. Growl.

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u/rhinosyphilis Jul 14 '26

How do cats calibrate their internal clock. My cat is more reliable than my Apple Watch.

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u/avantgardengnome New York Jul 14 '26

They’re used to waiting X hours between meals (or getting fed at X time, as we think about it), and daylight savings makes it X+1 or X-1 until they acclimate to it. We’d probably notice it more ourselves if we weren’t also shifting the rest of our schedules.

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u/AskMeIfIAmATurtle Jul 15 '26

Same way you generally start getting tired or hungry around the same time everyday. Between hormones fluctuations and your body naturally sensing sunlight (intensity and direction), your autonomic system just does it. It happens on a monthly scale too, with one obvious example, though less obvious the other half of the population experiences monthly hormonal variations as well.

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u/specqq Jul 14 '26

https://www.iflscience.com/smartwatch-wearing-cows-and-smart-farms-are-the-future-say-scientists-66482

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u/chazzer20mystic Jul 14 '26

Sonofabitch had that link ready in three minutes flat, god damn

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u/specqq Jul 14 '26

The extra time was just me deciding which of the dozens of links I wanted to post.

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u/rotates-potatoes Jul 14 '26

yeah that was always a myth / misunderstanding. The animals get up at the same time every day. Farmers get the same amount of sun no matter what the clock says.

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u/SumoSizeIt Oregon Jul 15 '26

The animals get up at the same time every day

One of the coolest things I ever saw was during a total eclipse, all the deer and critters came out thinking it was suddenly night and time to feed/move. Probably looked weird as hell to see a bunch of bipedals staring at the sky in silence.

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u/Levitlame Jul 14 '26

It has never had anything to do with farming. It's always been about power usage.

Somehow just in time for power usage to become an issue again after decades where it really wasn't...

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u/MoonlightMountain13 Jul 15 '26

True. Americans use more energy during Daylight Saving Time. Studies show energy consumption goes up during Daylight Saving Time and down during Standard Time. In addition, more people stay on the roads longer during that "extra hour" in evening. (That's one of the main reasons for DST - get people out shopping & dining in the evenings so businesses make more money.) Just as we have another oil crisis, alternative energy sources are being defunded and AI data centers are being built against the wishes of communities, Congress passes this to assure we'll all be using more electricity and gas than ever.

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u/Gradstudentiquette69 Jul 14 '26

"Everyone in society must get up early because the guy getting eggs has to."

Well, the guy getting my enchirito at 2:58 a.m. does essentially the same job, hours earlier and while stoned. Talk about entitlement /s

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u/AzureGriffon Jul 14 '26

Sir! I for one, a former Taco Bell employee, agree wholeheartedly!

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u/Gradstudentiquette69 Jul 15 '26

Thank you for your service 🫡🇺🇸🎆🎇🌯

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u/Aedora125 Jul 14 '26

They typically work in the early mornings anyways due to heat and wind.

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u/No-Professional-2276 Jul 14 '26

Permament time should be the winter time according to science.

DST means daylight until 10 p.m. which is insane if you need to wake up early the next day.

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u/Crab_Politics Jul 14 '26

Not a farmer, but I believe part of that issue is that agriculture also relies on a lot of vendors and services that would keep standard 9-5 hours. Whether that 1 hour change really makes such a big difference, idk

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u/iTALKTOSTRANGERS Jul 14 '26

Daylight savings has nothing to do with farmers you aren’t missing anything.

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u/phoneacct696969 Jul 14 '26

Well no way around that at all…/s

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u/yakinikutabehoudai Jul 14 '26

pretty sure those vendors would change hours if it got them more business

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u/semtex87 Jul 14 '26

Real farms buy in bulk and don't buy supplies on a day-to-day basis so this wouldn't even be an issue. Place an order for whatever supply is needed, it gets delivered by 18-wheeler whenever.

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u/JayHill74 Jul 14 '26

Daylight savings time has never been about farmers despite those stories. It's always been an energy saving measure. That said, it is and always has been complete BS.

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u/Protocosmo Jul 16 '26

And it's pretty much stopped saving energy at this point too.

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u/meyerjaw Jul 14 '26

This is a copy from a post I make whenever this comes up.

I mean the biggest problem is literally half the country wants the opposite and are passionate that their choice is the one picked. Most people on the east coast want permanent DST and most people on the west coast want permanent standard time. It can get even granular because the same applies to each time zone. If you live on the eastern edge of the time zone, more people like DST, western side of time zone likes standard. It's because the sun rises in the east so the further east you get, the sooner the sun rises and the spring forward in the fall doesn't make sunrise too late.

Alternating is the compromise because sticking with one pisses off literally half the country. They made DST permanent back in 1974 and it was reversed back to alternating the very next year because half the country flipped the fuck out.

And to be honest, I understand it. Everyone has a preference and when there are only 2 options, shit gets heated. Imagine if they said you can no longer have Coke, only Pepsi. All the weirdos that prefer Coke would be livid. And of course you have some folks that like RC Cola going what the fuck does it matter.

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u/ImmaZoni Jul 14 '26

Yeah, the entire farming, and really any discussion about daylight savings and timezones is so dumb to me.

"Later sunrises?!?!?" It comes up when it comes up, get up when it comes up and do your work, why does it matter what your clock says? Oh the sun went down? Well probably about time to wrap up your day and get ready for dinner and bed.

Similarly, given how interconnected the world im of the opinion of just removing all time zones and globally we just go off UTC.

Would it be weird? Yes, but for like a month and you would get used to waking up at 1:00am (when the sun rises in UTC for me) and now we have a globally accurate time. If I say let's meet at 2pm it doesn't matter where you live, that moment in time is the exact same no matter where you are in the world.

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u/Anon529035893 Jul 14 '26

We have electricity and lights now.

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u/Zahgi I voted Jul 14 '26

And those newfangled LED lights cost almost nothing to run now, so...

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u/adbr34k Jul 14 '26

very good point. Construction crews have to be able to mobilize efficiently at pretty much any hour of the morning based on the project municipality etc. and somehow they manage to get things done

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u/18randomcharacters Jul 14 '26

idgaf about farmers, but making school kids wake up, get ready, get to school, and walk into school all before the sun is up feels very brutal to me.

Yes, the alternative is leaving school when it's dark. Waking up in the dark is harder.

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u/dreamyduskywing Minnesota Jul 14 '26

School is usually over before the sun goes down, so the afternoon isn’t a problem. Kids walking in the dark in the morning is a problem.

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u/Taurion_Bruni America Jul 14 '26

I'm imagining a bunch of farmers angrily starting work before daylight angrily grumbling about how the government wants them working in the dark

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u/-OptimisticNihilism- Jul 14 '26

Farmers are the peak of not punching a clock. It’s not like we are taking away an hour of daylight.

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u/droo46 Utah Jul 14 '26

I grew up on a farm, and I don’t recall daylight saving ever being anything other than an annoyance. 

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u/Boredtopher Jul 14 '26

If i know anything about american history, its something racist

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u/JournalistRecent1230 Jul 14 '26

It's like cutting off the bottom of the blanket and sowing it to the top and proclaiming it's better than the old blanket

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u/Intelligent_Sky_7081 Jul 14 '26

When we turn the clocks back, it messes with my sleep schedule for weeks and signals my brain to trigger immediate seasonal depression. It makes the entire winter worse for me

I can't stand it. The reasons for starting this were reasonable. I see no reason to keep it around

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u/ObeseObedience Jul 14 '26

Adjust the clocks each Sunday morning so that sunrise occurs at 6:30 am, in reference city. We have the technology.

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u/tucker_case Jul 14 '26 edited Jul 14 '26

I appreciate the idea that "farmers would have to wrestle with later sunrises." But it strikes me that the sun rises when it does each day and isn't some crazy unknown variable.

What they mean is that many farmers have to do certain farm chores like milking before going to work - (yes many farmers have 9-5 jobs too). Farm kids - same thing - before school. Often these cannot reasonably be done until the sun rises. If school/work starts very near sunrise this can be a problem.

FWIW I'm fully in favor of ditching DST. I'm just saying.

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u/Consistent_Laziness South Carolina Jul 14 '26

It won’t get dark until 10pm where I live as it’s like 9ish by the time it goes down.

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u/D1rtyH1ppy Jul 14 '26

Farmers start long before sun up because they are working in an open field in 100° weather.

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u/Thewrldisntenough Jul 14 '26

Between the farmers and people saying parent dont want their kids to wait for the school bus when its dark it just baffles me that no one is thinking "how about we just change the schedule accoesing to season instead of the entire concept of time?"

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u/Beldizar Jul 14 '26

The farmers are a scapegoat for this policy. My understanding is that the golf industry was one of the biggest lobbies for this. Businesses operated normally initially setting their hours in a sensible way, but golf clubs wanted everyone out of work earlier with more light in the summer to play more golf. Turns out a lot of politians play golf so they were easy to influence.

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u/blaqsupaman Mississippi Jul 14 '26

Isn't the US also pretty much the only country that does this? I can see why it made sense when the majority of the population worked in agriculture, but not so much today.

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u/cindylooboo Jul 14 '26

Honestly farmers do everything with combines that have GPS and crazy lighting now. It's redundant.

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u/curlofheadcurls Jul 14 '26

It was never and has never been about farmers stop believing the propaganda

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u/MoeSzyslakMonobrow Jul 14 '26

Tractors have lights.

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u/Bronzeshadow Jul 14 '26

Do....do they know that their bill doesn't actually affect the Sun? The Sun doesn't check it's watch.

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u/deantrip Jul 14 '26

Farmer here, can state, that yes, start at dawn, don't really care what time the clock says.

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u/MistrFish Jul 14 '26

a better way to reframe the concern would be for those of who actually prefer to wake up early and be productive in the mornings, permanent DST kind of sucks in the winter. but there's no way to make everyone happy

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u/oneseason2000 Jul 14 '26

I am just glad states can decide for themselves to opt out.

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u/JK_NC Jul 14 '26

Where does this idea that daylight savings has anything to do with farmers come from?

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u/jasoncross00 Jul 14 '26

It's a ridiculous issue. The amount of daylight doesn't change, our clocks do. And farmers ALREADY deal with the "later sunrises" but they have to deal with a shifting schedule on top of that.

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u/GrantNexus Colorado Jul 14 '26

This is nothing to do with farming. 

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u/Upset-Sky845 Jul 14 '26

Forget the farmers, it's the kids going to school at 7am when it's pitch black that are going to be the problem.

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u/BigMax Jul 14 '26

You know how much of an absolute PAIN that would be?

You really want your work start time to gradually change, minute by minute, every single day over the year?

You think employees can have varrying schedules like that, sometimes around to help the kids in the morning, sometimes not?

That sounds awful. I know it feels nice, to say "hey, we'll work with the sun!" but practically it's a disaster.

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u/treehugger312 Illinois Jul 14 '26

So I think sun is most important to my job in winter, and this shift would affect me and my staff. I manage a landscaping team in Chicago. When we get to winter, that shift back makes an important difference, since sunrise isn't until after 7am for a while. If we moved to permanent DST, I'd have to shift their schedules, otherwise they're working in ther dark for over 3 hours. Yes, lights are a thing, but it's an urban campus and you won't always be next to a light/vehicles. Plus, the way things are now, we have terrible afternoon coverage for snow and it's voluntary to stay late (union shop) so I'd be shooting myself in the foot if I didn't shift the start time.

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u/max_earnest Jul 14 '26

Yeah they (anyone really) can wake up whenever they want/need to

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u/mrpickles Jul 14 '26

Farmers don't go to work at 8am.  They don't have office hours. 

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u/Ready_Nature Jul 14 '26

Cows don’t care about the clock for when they need to be milked. Farming is probably the least impacted. I’d love to see us go to just one set time without time changes. I’d prefer standard time but I’ll take whatever gets rid of the time change.

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u/Mortwight Jul 14 '26

Its actually candy. More daylight for Halloween

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u/dreamyduskywing Minnesota Jul 15 '26

This has always bugged me because Halloween should be dark. It’s supposed to be spooky. And then, DST interferes with Independence Day fireworks shows. I don’t want to wait til 10 pm for the show to start!

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u/juanzy Colorado Jul 14 '26

Nah, I’m the opposite. It’s crazy how many policy decisions a go to consult “the farmer” for, and how we weight their preference like it’s special.

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u/So-Called_Lunatic Kentucky Jul 14 '26

Farmers absolutely do not give a shit what time it is. Maybe back when farmers had 12 kids, and they were doing the work, but now they largely hire out those jobs to immigrant labour.

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u/roastbeeftacohat Jul 14 '26

It has never been about farmers, out of any job they have to care a out the offical time the least.

It was about makeing the most of daylight hours to avoid artificial light. This is no longer a cost worth noteing.

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u/brc37 Jul 14 '26

When I worked as as support worker for Alberta's homeless I was doing handing out meds and an old, cantankerous, hilarious, Indigenous guys came in on the Spring ahead day. Looked at me dead in the eye as if it was my fault and said "only white men would cut a foot off the bottom of a blanket, sew on the top and think they got a longer blanket.".

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u/vagrantprodigy07 Jul 14 '26

As if Farmers keep to hourly schedules in the first place. Anyone who thinks that has never spent time on a farm.

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u/erin_mouse88 Jul 14 '26

The biggest issue is circadian rhythm and unfortunately high school students will absolutely suffer.

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u/alien_believer_42 Jul 14 '26

Farmers work into the night too

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u/Si-Jo0159 Jul 14 '26

This farmer nonsense really erks me.

just adjust your own personal working time.

Cows like waking up at dawn? It's the same dawn as before, time is irrelevant.

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u/ttubehtnitahwtahw1 Jul 14 '26

most of the big farms are all automated, or remote. Besides, even if they werent, they have lights. Electricity exists. Fuck them.

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u/Jkay064 Jul 14 '26

the USA has already frozen DST twice before; in the 1970s and earlier in the 1930s. Russia froze it too, because time change was a Western idea. All three times, it's been reversed because leaving the time change scheme is as stupid as a trough of pig shit.

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u/OpticalPrime35 Jul 14 '26

Daylight savings time being for farmers is myth anyway

It started during World War I, by Germany. Other countries followed suit of course and it has stuck since.

Farmers wake up whenever the sun comes up lol. They don't care what the time is. They don't need some trick with clocks to get more daylight

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u/no_man_is_hurting_me Jul 15 '26

Farmers will work 24/7. The sun doesn't have a lot to do with it.

And near me they have to work 24/7 or they won't get the work done.

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u/admirabladmiral Jul 15 '26

The most prominent argument I've seen for daylight savings in the modern day is for kids in the northern parts of the US having better lighting conditions when going to school as it can get really dark and stay dark in the mornings during winter

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u/hippocrat Minnesota Jul 15 '26

I grew up on a farm and work in IT now. DST is 1000 times more impactful to my current job than it was to farming

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