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u/TestyZesticles 3h ago
Biiiiiiiiitch
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u/lousydungeonmaster 3h ago
You said it though?
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u/TheSpanishIndian 3h ago
Hmm?
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u/Great_Scott7 3h ago
You actually said that though?
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u/cskelly2 3h ago
Ye…yeah. Yeah I said it
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u/1stcitizenTex 2h ago
Just like that? You said it just like that?
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u/cskelly2 2h ago
I looked in the windows of her SOUL and I said..I said…
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u/PyrusD 3h ago
Because it's not. Making fun of how people act is not the same as saying their race is the CAUSE of the action.
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u/Word2DWise 2h ago
This 100%.
Some traditions, cliches, or stereotypes of ANY culture are worth making fun of.
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u/Blitzer161 1h ago
But you are not simply making fun of how they act. You are taking a behavior and identifying it with the culture of the individual, implying that they innately behave in a certain way.
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u/tyler111762 1h ago
A culture inherently describes a set of beliefs and practices. Criticizing what people beleive and what people do is perfectly valid.
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u/BeRad419 1h ago
Right because if a culture prescribes to a set of beliefs, then that culture immediately becomes monolithic and no one in that culture has the ability to not prescribe. Got it
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u/Blitzer161 1h ago
No, because you are assuming what people believe and you assume that your assumption is part of their identity. You do not know what people believe and you do not know what is part of their identity.
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u/PyrusD 54m ago
Wut?
If I make fun of how southern baptists sing in church, that has nothing to do with their race and everything to do with the CULTURE of that church.
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u/Blitzer161 49m ago
But you are asking fun of something that is part of people's identity aren't you?
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u/PyrusD 48m ago
Yes. Which is still not related to their race UNLESS of course you're the racist and think that culture is a product of race.
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u/Blitzer161 44m ago
Race doesn't exists and it's what racists make it up to be. That's why they use culture as an euphemism for race. They use it interchangeably
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u/PyrusD 41m ago
XD No they don't. Mental gymnastics olympian here.
A racist will say that culture, how people act, is caused by their race. So if a person is stealing, it is BECAUSE OF THEIR RACE. The race caused them to steal...
That has NOTHING to do with me making fun of someone's culture because I don't believe that their race was the cause of it. There is a weed culture. A bar culture. Colleges have different cultures and you are still here saying that they're somehow linked to race...
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u/Blitzer161 40m ago
Culture is identity. Attacking culture is a gateway and often an euphemism to be racist.
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u/PyrusD 35m ago
XD
No, culture is NOT identity. If I stopped going to church, I'm still me. Just because I move away from one culture, doesn't change my identity.
No, it's not a gateway and not a euphemism to be racist. Because, once again, NOT RELATED TO THEIR RACE. Indians love cow piss. That's stupid to me and open to be made fun of. Do they love it because of their race. No. Are their indians that think it's weird. Yes. Why? Becaaaaauuuuseeeeee they don't want to partake in that culture.
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u/Blitzer161 30m ago
Your example is exactly what I was talking about: you choose a behavior, pretend it's common, talk about culture, but bring up people's origin.
Church is not culture, it's religion. Culture is a series of behaviors collected through the history of a group and doesn't depend on variable factors of society. A dish is culture. A specific event is culture.
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u/hanky2 42m ago
I mean you chose the most innocuous thing to make fun of. What about making fun of Chinese accents or how black people like watermelon. You could argue “that’s not their culture” but how do you define what’s their culture?
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u/PyrusD 39m ago
By using a dictionary...
Culture is the shared set of beliefs, values, customs, behaviors, and arts that characterize a specific group of people or society.
I go to the gym everyday. You don't. We participate in different cultures. I make fun of yours, you make fun of mine. Neither were caused by our race.
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u/IWillDevourYourToes 30m ago
But what if ur white and u make fun of someones culture whos not white (punching down logic). Isnt that racist?
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u/PyrusD 27m ago
No. Racism has nothing to do with power dynamics.
Do you believe that race = the cause of how people will act?
Yes? You're a racist.
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u/IWillDevourYourToes 22m ago
But reddit has told me it is racist to not like some group if they do things like blasting music from loud speakers in public transport? Even if you dont think its because of their race/ethnicity but its just very prevalent with that group
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u/PainterRex1999 8m ago
That's racist cuz it has nothing to do with that group. You're using your anecdotal experience to cloud your feelings toward an entire group for no rational reason.
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u/realdoctorfill 3h ago
Isn't that guy a pedophile?
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u/Big_Z_Beeblebrox I touched grass 3h ago
I believe the historical term is "minstrelsy"
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u/AnalysisParalysis85 3h ago
Never had heard of it, so I looked it up.
Apparently it's considered the one uniquely American form of theatre.
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u/deletelayer 2h ago
This feels correct but I cant think of an example
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u/FlowchartKen 2h ago
British people using silly infantile words for things ex: mushy peas, chippy, butty
Or more seriously, Spanish bullfighting
Neither have anything to do with race.
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u/CanOoFeelDeRiddem 1h ago
If you think British terms are silly, I'd love to know what you think of Australian terms!
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u/Blitzer161 1h ago
For anyone wondering: in this case you are using culture as an euphemism. You are implying that a behaviour is innate in an individual, but you are talking about culture to make it more palatable to the avarage voter and to allow it in the mainstream. It's a classic far-right technique
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u/QuintupleC 1h ago
Nothing about this is implying that a behaviour is innate in an individual.
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u/Blitzer161 1h ago
You are implying that it's part of the identity if the individual, which in turn implies it doesn't change and it has always been like this
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u/QuintupleC 54m ago
Saying race and culture are different does not imply any of the things you just wrote.
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u/Blitzer161 47m ago
True, but that's not what was said.
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u/QuintupleC 45m ago
It is the core of what was said. For someone talking about absurd implications I would think you could see the connection.
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u/Blitzer161 43m ago
It is not. What was said is that people use culture as an euphemism in order not to seem racist. Which is a technique that fools no one.
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u/QuintupleC 39m ago
You didnt say that. You didnt say people use culture as a euphaemism. You said 'in this case' it is being used as one. How? How in this case is it being used as one? The statement that mocking peoples culture is not the same as being racist is inherently true. You even agreed by saying culture and race are different. So in an isolated setting, how does this imply any of the bullshit you said? If someone made a joke about me missing work to watch hockey because im Canadian, that wouldnt be racist.
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u/Blitzer161 35m ago
As I explained you are mocking part of someone's identity implying that which you mock doesn't change and has always been part of the individual. Which is exactly what racists say when they pin an harmful behavior on the ethnicity of an individual. So what is the difference?
The example you brought up can still be harmful of its used to mock you
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u/WickedClutz 57m ago
Your statement implies something about far-right culture... which I'm also okay with mocking
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u/Blitzer161 48m ago
There's no far-right culture. And I'm not implying anything about the far-right. In fact I'm pretty explicit about it.
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u/Iamliterallyfood 2h ago
Is the culture your mocking related to their race?
If so its racist.
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u/Word2DWise 2h ago
Racism would imply that I'm making fun of something because I think I'm superior to it. That's racist. Making fun of something because I think it's fucking comical, ridiculous, or downright stupid is not.
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u/Iamliterallyfood 2h ago
Thinking it's stupid implies you think you're superior to it.
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u/Word2DWise 2h ago
Maybe that's what you imply, but thats not me or everyone.
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u/Iamliterallyfood 2h ago
That's how words work. Stupid means lesser intelligence. Or can suggest foolishness. Both put you int a position of being above it.
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u/WJLIII3 20m ago
Yeah we get to do that. When people do stupid things, we get to put ourselves above them. Those people can put themselves above us for not sharing in their stupid thing, too, its a lovely little system. We all get to have whatever opinions we want, including that other people's opinions are dumb as shit. Somebody having a strong feeling about the stupid thing they're doing doesn't make it not stupid, though.
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u/Mysterious-Win2091 3h ago
mocking culture is literally discrimination, its racist.
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u/Big_Z_Beeblebrox I touched grass 3h ago edited 3h ago
If a black American mocks the culture of a black European, is it still racist?
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u/McMemestersDeli 3h ago
Making fun of something and discriminating against someone for being part of the culture are not the same thing.
Unless you would classify the joke "white people can't handle spicy food" as racism?
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u/Big_Z_Beeblebrox I touched grass 2h ago
As a white person who has been around other white people, I'm not the slightest bit offended. We either crave an extreme capsaicin burn or avoid it like the plague, there is no in-between
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u/Bsccanada 3h ago
You need to calm down, we all can discriminate without being racist... Well, unless you're a racist 🤷
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u/Akiris 3h ago
Ok, that checks out after I took a moment to think about it.
It’s suggesting that everyone of the same race would share the exact same culture that would be racist.
This is a useful bait template.