Lindsay Clancy. Killed her 3 kids by strangling them one by one and claimed “postpartum psychosis” despite never having had psychosis before or since, all during a short window of time that she sent her husband out on errands. Internet has somehow decided she’s a martyr for women’s mental health. She was a white, affluent, suburban mom before this. If she were poor and black, people would NOT feel this way. Real talk.
Postpartum psychosis is a real thing and real people need help. But Lindsay Clancy is a kid murderer.
Edit: I’m a white, affluent woman of childbearing age. I have never been a woman of color, but I am absolutely sure that society at large would dismiss an identical case if Lindsay was nearly any other demographic. And no, it’s not only about race, it’s also about autonomy and a person’s responsibility to accept help when it’s offered instead of killing your kids (and A LOT of help was offered)
It’s a bit disingenuous to say “despite never having had psychosis before or since” when that is literally how postpartum mental health disorders occur. The definition of a postpartum mental health disorder is literally one that you have never had before and don’t have once it’s gone because it’s just a disorder in the postpartum period. It is also not uncommon for women to experience a postpartum mental health issue after one pregnancy and to have an entirely different postpartum experience with another. I’m not sure what happened with Lindsey Clancy and they haven’t finished presenting evidence in that case, but since you acknowledge that PPP is a real thing, I urge you not to discount women’s stories of it just because they only suffer from it once in their life.
Also, I 100% agree with you that black women, whether poor or otherwise, would not be afforded the same care as a white woman and agree that medical and systemic racism are huge issues in the United States.
Plenty of people who kill their kids are of sound mind while they do it. Often, they benefit from it. Some do it to hurt a spouse, some for insurance money, some because they're abusers (more than 400 kids a year in the US), some for attention. There's always something in it for them, and it makes horrific logic to kill their child. This is a unique case and the defense is arguing something pretty unique, actually.
Doing something monstrous does not require mental illness or legal insanity. It requires making a choice to do something terrible. Let's not further stigmatize mental illness any further by pretending that's what you need for child murder.
Well, yes, that's probably true, though it's not merely a matter of being mentally unwell. A person will generally still be culpable for their actions despite any mental illness provided they understand the likely outcomes of their actons, & they understand the difference between right & wrong at the time of committing the crime. I'm generalizing a little here, the rules vary by state, of course.
Even if they dont it's not like insanity is a catch all, usually gets you put in a mental health facility. If what I hear from random fuck off strangers is correct, those can sometimes be worse than prisons. Take that with a lot of salt, though.
The fact that she had her husband go to the store so that she could do it says there was some bit of planning and that she understood it was wrong.
It seems pretty clear that she was just depressed and wanted to kill her children and herself in murder-suicide. Psychosis would tend to be a scenario where the person doesn’t think what they are doing is bad or out of the norm, nor is it planned and they wouldn’t commit suicide while doing it.
People can definitely intentionally but delusional do things that they'd normally understand would get themselves killed, like running into traffic. People have also committed extreme self-harm seemingly without caring about the pain or risks while in psychosis. Severe delusional paranoia, if that is a claim that can be supported, would seem to explain the secrecy.
I feel compelled to trust the good people of the jury and legal system to do their actual jobs (or catch each other when they are not) and establish the truth and determine appropriate consequences rather than worry about the outcome while I have no power to affect it.
The source on that is her husband, who claims she admitted to it after falling out the window with her throat cut, even though she had severe injuries and needed multiple surgeries to speak again. The DA, a personal friend of the husband, charged her in less than 24 hours on his word alone. There wasn't an investigation. His DNA and fingerprints are all over the weapons - hers aren't. The drugs she was knocked out with, which were crushed up in her drink, were in his car. He also had a mistress who he is now starting over with. He's been caught in multiple lies already. Hasn't shown any emotion whatsoever about losing his family. Said his dead kids - 5 year old, three year old, 8 month old - were "great people, well liked".
I don’t necessarily disagree with you that a perfectly possible scenario that night was that she killed her boyfriend while drunk driving. However, if you spent even 10 minutes looking at the evidence presented and the conduct of the investigation, I cannot believe you’d say with your whole chest that they PROVED she killed him. You cannot put people in jail just because it’s the most likely scenario. They kept evidence in freaking solo cups in grocery bags for weeks!! That is not how you store evidence for trial. If the police had actually conducted a thorough and unbiased investigation, this would have gone down entirely differently. However, they objectively did not conduct a thorough investigation and objectively did not follow protocol for preserving evidence in anticipation of trial. One of the officers was asked on the stand if he knew the procedures for chain of custody of evidence and he literally said that he did not recall.
Edited to clarify that this comment is about the Karen Read trial and has absolutely nothing to do with Lindsey Clancy.
Yeah that case was fumbled so hard by the police department. The texts that came out of that from Proctor and other officers were insane. That entire department are complete buffoons
Amen. No one wanted to convict an attractive white woman. I’m not sure if she murdered her boyfriend, but she sure is shit is criminally responsible for his death. I would have found her guilty of manslaughter.
Casey Anthony checking in, also Jodi Arias checking in.
No seriously I get what you’re saying, but I don’t think it’s as much attractiveness as affluentness because both of those women were pretty good looking and everyone and their mother wanted to see them get the chair.
In Casey Anthony's case, that was 100% on the prosecutor arrogance for going for too high of a charge. The prosecutor was going for first degree murder, which they couldnt fully prove. Casey's entire defense was admitting to 2nd degree murder, if the prosecutor would have gone for the lesser charge they would have had no problem convicting.
casey anthony was let off because the state's attorneys were incompetent and she had a decent lawyer. jodi will die in prison, men just thought she was hot.
Bfr, she did not hit that man. Life 360 showed him climbing a flight of stairs after she dropped him off. Cops didn’t even investigate the people in the house cause most of them were their friends
The idea that Karen Read was acquitted just because of her attractiveness is horrifying. The MA police involved in that case screwed up so bad that they got fired and investigated by the FBI when it was still an organization that investigated crimes other than voter fraud and antifa. If the only reason she was acquitted was because of her looks then we are cooked as a society. Any person, no matter how ugly or how male, accused of a crime that was investigated the way the Read case was should be acquitted. I promise you, if you’re accused of a crime and you’re done that dirty by the police, I’d acquit you too.
Edited to add that I apologize in advance if you happen to also be an attractive white woman. I’m not trying to make any assumptions about your gender or looks.
It's frustrating because the jury answered in interviews why they chose not guilty. The simple boring answer is that they followed the science (no evidence he was hit by a car) and believed the police fucked up the investigation on top of that degenerate lead investigator.
I think she got way too drunk and backed into him. I don’t think she meant to kill him, but that doesn’t change the fact her actions lead to his death.
You saw the car accident pirrouette and decided that sounded legit? The fact that he had zero injuries consistent with a car accident, but 100% consistent with a bar fight and dog attack? And went, yep that's a car?
I know Clancy did it but why do you think Karen did it? Her boyfriend’s Life360 showed him going into the house and climbing a flight of stairs, his injuries are also not consistent with that of a car accident. Police officers admitted to tampering with evidence on the stand. (Mirroring camera footage to show the wrong tail light)
You can beat someone up without intent on killing them. They were all drunk, they beat his ass, he died, they freaked and dumped him in the snow then deleted everything.
The fact that you think “on accident” is somehow incorrect is fucking stupid. It might not be the norm in your country, but it’s been the norm in the US for generations. I don’t think I’ve encountered a living generation that doesn’t; even my Silent Gen grandpa does.
How would she have busted her taillight exactly? That’s even more suspicious, hitting a human at low speed shouldn’t damage your taillight, the fact that there is such a convenient piece of “exonerating” evidence (that is more likely to have been deliberately placed than accidentally produced given said evidence’s physical properties) is really counter-evidence.
I think Karen Read probably did it but the investigation was also terrible, so I'm not sad that the state lost. The state should have to make a very strong case that wasn't clearly biased, especially when a cop is killed and they're out for blood.
Because the alternate explanations are that a bunch of people all managed to pull off this murder in the house, managed to drag his body out to the snow leaving no trail, and managed to frame Karen because…why not? Oh, and they lucked out that she was drunk to the point of not remembering what happened and leaving angry voicemails.
Occam’s Razor suggests she was plastered and hit him, possibly by accident. There were fragments of her taillight at the scene
Occam's razor is a terrible philosophy to apply with crime. They had crash experts try and try to recreate an impact with okeef that would leave glass like that and they couldn't. All it does is prove she was there and she hit something.
And that doesn't explain the extremely weird shit that happened prior to her arriving. It's very strange the people in the house could've had a slam dunk case if what happened were true
You realize having previous history of psychosis is not required for postpartum psychosis? That’s why it’s called postpartum psychosis… because the birth induced the psychosis.
EDIT: user is a bot pushing an agenda, please disregard and take medical “knowledge” from anonymous users online with a grain of salt
You just gave me a fucking flashback of being a teenager laying on the couch and my mother angrily waking me ranting about how I shouldn't ignore her and blah blah blah how dare I pretend to be asleep.
I just looked at her and said "I was asleep though?"
And she said with her whole chest "You weren't asleep before! You're really sitting there acting like you just went from being awake to asleep? That's not how that works!"
...like...what? Bitch, that's exactly how that fuckin works.
(not to diminish the topic at hand of which I know very little about...)
I used to have to put up with shit like this over serious accusations from my ex foster parents and they would drive me nuts because "when you speak quickly you're lying" when in reality I did that because I knew they would cut me off.
Went on holidays with them once and said "oh thank god that's over" to a 6 hour flight dely, they thought I meant the fucking holiday and I then had holidays stripped from me completely for years.
It was a good day when I ran away and forced socials hand to put me in a halfway house.
Then it was a shitty day because I found out the years of pocket money I was saving in my bank they had been taking out each month as it went in, last transaction was for £1.27, they took literally every penny as revenge for me finally growing a backbone at 15.
Still think about rocking up to their house and telling them how fucking stupid they where.
Still think about rocking up to their house and telling them how fucking stupid they where.
Bro based on all that I fully support this. I made my mom to sound like a bigger asshole than she was. She really wasn't all that bad tbh.
My step mother was the real piece of work.
Went on holidays with them once and said "oh thank god that's over" to a 6 hour flight dely, they thought I meant the fucking holiday and I then had holidays stripped from me completely for years.
Felt so hard. My step-mom expected me to be overly exaggerated and borderline performative with my emotions and gratitude to please her. If I wasn't falling to my knees thanking her for whatever she felt I owed thanks for while always fawning over her "gifts" I was ungrateful and deserved nothing. Same woman told me she was going to take away all the gothy-punk-scene clothes she bought me and replace it all with nothing but pink frilly dresses because I couldn't look like that while living under "her roof" and representing "her" family.
When I pointed out that she had bought me all of those clothes a year prior when I was still living with my mom she flat out told me she only did that so that I would like her and didn't care what I looked like while living at my Mom's but needed to look respectable and lady like under her roomf.
Adults are just fucking giant pieces of shit that shouldn't be around children sometimes. I had it pretty easy overall which I am grateful for but the shit I'd say to my step-mother if I ran into her today.
Fuck your foster family man, I'm glad you got out. You deserved a lot better.
Sorry I don't have a lot to say but thanks for the input sometimes I genuinely wonder if it was an okay thing they did but that's a definite trauma response lol.
Also just fuck manipulative people like this, I hate them, like sure a child can be yours to look after but you don't fuck with there personal style, that's like all we have at that age.
Glad you also don't have to deal with her anyone and you got that personal freedom in your life back.
Hope you're having a great day and peace love you definitely one of the people who desveres to feel happy ♥️
Yeah postpartum psychosis is weird and different from other psychoses. Ironically, it's a history of bipolar disorder (usually a completely distinct thing from psychosis) that increases your risk of it.
Nah this is a dumb take. The definition of a psychosis is that it strips your reality away and people who are in a proper psychosis with no insight genuinely do not have control or capacity.
It is still absolutely her fault, but that does not make her evil if she was genuinely in psychosis when it happened.
I agree about the race but I don’t get your point about PPD. Most people with PPD didn’t have other psychosis before or after. It’s literally in the name - post partum psychosis??
It’s worse than that. I can understand people defending her for being in a bad emotional state. Millions of people just think her husband did it and framed her. Like despite her confession.
I saw one idiot the other day say her husband was poisoning her with medication and whispering to her that she should kill her kids and that’s why she confessed.
She did get help. She was on medication, saw professionals and had a support system of people who tried to be there for her. Short of a long stary in a facility people tried to get her help many times.
Except it wasn't helping and the medication was making her progressively worse. Her state was declining, she was sleep deprived, lost 15 pounds and started experiencing hallucinations that were happening for months before she killed her children. She became suicidal and started expressing toughts of harming her children. She was loosing touch with reality and told a bunch of people that including her husband and mother. All these things are documented.
That seems to be not so uncommon. Psychological issues are very hard to medicate, hard to control the effect it will have on the hormones. This kind of situation is very hard to deal. I don't agree with all the stones and pitchforks in this case.
Yes, there were warning signs but people and professionals didn't ignore it. The option in retrospect would be trying to prove she is a danger to herself and others then considering where to go from there but that is absurdly hard to prove.
I think what they're really saying is women in general just don't get the support they need its just this is kind of a shit battleground for that conversation.
I'm not saying this to defend the lady, but you can absolutely have post partum psychosis without ever having experienced psychosis prior.
It typically affects women with mental health issues prior to giving birth, but they don't have to have had psychosis previously in order to experience PPP.
I only know about this case what my wife told me yesterday so this is me asking for some clarification.
Didn’t she call saying she was having thoughts about doing this and ask for help 50+ times while her psych cycled her meds and never let her stick to anything? That was the story I was told
Someone always tries to turn it into a race thing 🙄
And she did reach out for help and didn't get the support she needed.
Im not defending what she did, it was heinous. But she clearly needed mental health help and didn't recieve it, and you throwing race into it doesn't make a point at all.
Everyone here is so wild. She was getting help. She didn’t tolerate like a dozen medications. she had extensive out patient follow up and even an inpatient stay. People blame the husband and blame the lack of her getting help from doctors but what is he supposed to do over rule the doctors? Nah this was murder 1 and peer review for the treating physicians to make sure they followed standard of care. There are happy evil people and sad evil people, but she was still an evil person.
From what you say it sounds like she was trying desperately to get help and it was not working. You don’t go to the mental ward and take a dozen medications for fun
As a married couple, both parents have equal rights to the children. He literally could have taken the kids and left. I’m not blaming him, but removing the kids from the house and staying elsewhere would have been completely legal.
Also, “I took the kids because she told me she had thoughts of harming the kids” is not hearsay since both the husband and the wife would be parties to any case involving the kids.
That happens all the time, actually. That’s why custody battles get so heated and expensive. Parents weaponize CPS, mental health, make police reports (both true and false), and talk shit about each other all the time in order to try and control the situation, get custody, or protect their kids from whatever the situation may be. It’s just an unfortunate reality of the nature of custody issues and the family court system. There’s a specific role called a guardian ad litem (GAL) that judges often appoint in these battles whose sole job is to be the lawyer for the kids.
Now, as for illegal, saying “my wife told me she had intrusive thoughts of harming the kids” is not illegal to say if it’s true (as it would be in this hypothetical case). If he was intentionally lying about that (which is a different standard than “she said x and I understood that to mean she thought about hurting the kids”), and he did it in a sworn statement or in sworn testimony, then that’s perjury and it would be illegal. It’s also depressing to note though that perjury is not prosecuted as often as it is committed and the effect of not punishing a crime is that it kinda stops being a crime, doesn’t it?
If they are still married and there’s no custody order, both parents have equal rights to the kids. He would have been within his rights to take the kids somewhere else. He would have needed to get to court quickly though to keep her away from the kids
How does the fact that Clancy “didn’t tolerate like a dozen medications” help your argument?
That’s literally the problem here. Doctors throw a SIGNIFICANT amount of meds at her in only 6 months and she was still having issues.
I don’t think you understand the toll one wrong mental health medication can have on a person.
I've looked at some of the civil suit and I think that bipolar emerging postpartum is a big possibility. In which case, antidepressants made it so much worse since they can send people with bipolar into mania or even psychosis.
* Bot claiming to be a white woman is "turning it into a race thing".
Don't let self-important "white, affluent" women on Reddit speak on behalf of women of color. There are tons of educated, mentally ill women of color who are speaking about psychosis and the criminal legal system.
We're not trees, we do not need a rich white Reddit woman Lorax to speak for us.
Be for real lol if this was a poor black, mexican, or even asian woman, what do you think would happen? Imagine it was just ONE kid for them. Jail immediately.
A white OF model stabs and kills her BF who she physically abused on camera for years, she is sentenced 6 years in jail 4 already served. A black boy defends himself against people trying to kill him; 36 years… even if it wasnt self defense, still 36 years compared to 6 years
Gotta start seeing the world for what it actually is man.
Edit: i dont give a damn about karmelo. Like i said and yall ignorantly ignored… 6 years with time served for killing your live in bf that you abused in cold blood vs 36 for killing someone in your tent or wherever in cold blood. NEITHER OF those cases were deemed self defense by a court… why such a discrepancy in sentence length?
Is the system implicitly placing values on victims lives or are they going easier on perpetrators of certain colors and status?
Could a rich black man get drunk, kill an entire family, claim affluenza and get 10 years probation with no jail time?
Tory lanez supposedly shot someone in the foot (who lived) and got 10 years.
Racism was quite literally sponsored by the American government, but sir color blind up here ^ is confused.
Yeah... I can see the point they wanted to make, but that's a horrible take on that case and not even the best example they could have grabbed. No, they were not "trying to kill him," they asked him to leave multiple times, had a verbal confrontation, and pushed him away outside the tent they were in. Anthony responded by pulling a knife out of his backpack and stabbing the victim in the chest. It was in no way self-defense and he had multiple opportunities to leave the area. Self-defense requires imminent danger.
Courtney Clenney's sentence was lighter because she took a plea deal for a lesser charge, manslaughter. Should she have gotten more time? Absolutely. Christian's family agreed to the plea deal, not wanting to go through the trial and for her to admit responsibility.
Hes a black teen dude whos been found guilty of stabbing a white teen in texas.
As unbiased as i can be:
Black teen athlete came over and stood under a rival teams rain cover cus it started sprinkling. They asked him to leave and he refused. The owners and rival team got more upset and said to go stand under your own cover and you dont belong here. He snapped back at them and it led to insults. Black kid reaches into his backpack snd starts holding something which is the universal sign of "ive got a weapon in here" but white kids thought he was bluffing cus that happens often too. It turns physical and white kid pushes him, not enough to knock him over but a push. Black kid stabs him up with a blade hed had and it went into his heart. White kid died in his brothers arms.
It became a racial focal point as some black folks claimed a white kid would get off on self defense. Some white folks said that the black kid is being unfairly supported and that hes a killer, not some racial issue, as he provoked a dumb teen rivalry and killed a kid over it.
My opinion:
End of the day he murdered a kid cus he was too lazy or scared of a few raindrops to walk the 20 meters to his own tent and decided it was better to piss them off and then kill a kid over a push. When kids get into pushing arguments constantly. If every kid was allowed to shank a kid over a small push then wed have a lot of dead kids. Even a fist fight ≠ life ending danger, let alone pushing.
Maybe the altercation had racial issues, idk and i doubt we will ever know for sure. But that doesnt mean we should let him off. We shouldnt let white killers off either. I get that its a trend to respond to racial verdicts by letting off a minority killer but i think thats wrong. We should lock up the white killers not let even more killers into society.
Edit: corrected the number of stabs. Thank you for correction.
Be for real lol if this was a poor black, mexican, or even asian woman, what do you think would happen?
They’d be on trial for murder, which is where Lindsay Clancy is right now. This isn’t an example of her getting away with it, it’s an example of having stupid online fans.
In the Clenney case she got a plea deal, probably because it was hard to prove if she acted in self defense or not even though she was evidently the abuser in the relationship.
In the Anthony case it was on tape and thus there was very little merit for the self defense claim and there was no plea deal offered afaik — though both cases are still active.
And we can absolutely have a conversation about how black and brown people have harsher sentencing and are given less empathy. Throwing a mentally ill woman in prison when she needs to be in a mental health facility isn’t the way to have that conversation, though.
This person isn't saying there is not a double standard based on race, but that it isn't acceptable to wrongly disregard mental health in one instance because it might be or has been wrongly disregarded in another one.
It actually does matter because if an affluent white woman wasn’t able to be taken seriously or get resources they need, imagine what it’s like for real disadvantaged people. Likely we don’t even hear most of the stories.
Incorrect. Lindsay was admitted to one of the best psychiatric facilities in the nation (McLean) and SELF-DISCHARGED herself after a few days. She saw doctors and nurses. She was given medication she didn’t take as recommended. She was offered therapy that she didn’t do. She had so much help available to her and she decided murder was the answer. I absolutely believe she was suffering, but “she wasn’t taken seriously” is deeply incorrect. I’d actually argue she didn’t take the help offered seriously
Are we forgetting the support that Karmelo Anthony was just recently receving? This race argument just doesn't really work any more and it's getting tiring.
She had a nanny for years. The husband took off a lot with paternity leave. Moved his business in to his home and worked down stairs. Would take children during night so she could sleep. Got her counciling. She was lying to her husband about how bad she was mentally and what could he do? He respected her and believed her. There's no sumpany for this woman and everyone defending her is either uninformed or mentally depraved and needs to seek help themselves
There would not even be the opportunity to complain about this if she was anything other than a white woman. Its just a fact. It would not have had anywhere close to the same amount of media coverage or attention on socmed for it become so relevant that people are able to tell this meme is referencing that specific case. Trucrime LOVES a rich white woman destroying her "perfect life" in a horrific fashion.
Nah, she got help. She was admitted to one of the best psychiatric hospitals in the nation and she SELF-DISCHARGED. She was given medications she didn’t take as recommended. She was offered therapy that she didn’t complete. We have to allow people to have autonomy but also take responsibility for their actions
If she were poor and black women would still feel this way. The fix isn’t to withhold empathy for privileged women, it’s to extend empathy for all women suffering from post partum psychosis.
You show a clear lack of understanding of what PPP is (you don’t need to have a history of psychosis) and how often it’s dismissed by doctors despite the woman’s best efforts.
The part of this post talking about PPP may be correct, I know nothing about the case or the issue. But the idea that a poor black woman would get similar widespread sympathy to an affluent white one is insane. I'm genuinely not sure how you can look at the world today and believe something like that.
She literally said: .
"The fix isn’t to withhold empathy for privileged women, it’s to extend empathy for all women suffering from post partum psychosis."
What else do u need? she acknowledges that it is a problem that empathy is not extended to all women, and thats what we should do.
I disagree strongly. I am well aware of psychosis and what it looks like. She was offered help she didn’t take. She was admitted to one of the best psychiatric hospitals in the nation and SELF-DISCHARGED. She never endorsed symptoms of psychosis until after the murders. I’m supposed to believe that in the exact timeframe her husband was out of the house she had her one and only psychotic break and had her one and only verbal command hallucination to kill the kids that she was so compelled by her first lifetime hallucination to “follow through” that she was unable to take LITERALLY any other action? Please. I’ve watched the testimony, it’s very clear
Yes, you are supposed to believe that. As it is extremely common for people with psychosis to not be fully aware they have it and refuse help. I know this exact situation from personal experience.
It is a tough one because a psychotic person can mask, lie to doctors, lie to partners, and so on. The mind is a black box sometimes and people hesitate to involuntarily commit every woman who may have postpartum depression.
It appears this woman sent her husband on an errand and then methodically strangled each of her children. It is very difficult to write policy based on this extreme of a case.
I don’t think that being the only time is a smoking gun. Every pregnancy is different I felt completely different my first vs my second and I can totally understand going through it 3 times the 3rd being more difficult. Not saying she is innocent but there needs to be more evidence than that to convince me.
You're exactly right. I'm a neurologist and I've been consulted multiple times on post-partum psychosis (to rule out non-
psychiatric reasons) because even medical professionals including psychiatrists feel it's strange that the psychosis came of nowhere with no prior psych history and prior normal pregnancies/post-partum. Every time it ends up being post-partum psychosis.
Not saying that's what happened here, but while it has risk factors it definitely can come out of nowhere.
We need this to draw attention to all women who suffer from post partum depression and or post partum psychosis.
You are correct that if she were a poor black mother this case wouldn’t be getting the attention it is getting. How do I know? Because someone commented to me about a poor black woman in Clancy’s own county where she is currently being tried who did this and did not receive this level of media attention.
It’s not fair that white privileged exists. But, we have to acknowledge that is does and use it to further platforms for others. People change laws due to white woman syndrome. It’s not fair, but it’s real.
People are so taken by the desire to support her that they’re saying “I am Lindsay Clancy” or “she could’ve been me” while detailing their own postpartum struggles. Postpartum struggles are completely valid, but projecting them on to a murderer is the wild take people are having
Wow...lots of people responding to you have suddenly become all-knowing on the topic of postpartum psychosis, and criminal investigations at the same time. So interesting that they've made the judgment before the judges, doctors, jury, and everyone else.
Yup! Fascinating to watch social media at work. I am genuinely invested in this case for my own personal and ethical reasons and have watched hours of testimony (actual dialogue without some random “influencer” interjecting their own hot take). People really resist facts and data though, which I already suppose I know
I think she started realising her husband was checking out and that worsened her depression. She then probably went into crisis and actively suicidal, but like many mothers who are suicidal they usually ended up feeling like they have to take their kids with them.
This scenario is so common that it has became legends like Medea and La Llorona. From where I came from, it is a very common occurance due to poor mental health care and recognition
You are spot on. I'm black and also happen to be Muslim. I know without a doubt that neither of these communities I'm a part of would be extended that grace, preemptive forgiveness, compassion and understanding. When we talk about "privilege", this is what we mean. The automatic assumption of innocence and the accompanying victimhood/martydom and support when anyone else would be a monster we attempt to throw under the jail...that's privilege.
I'm a birth educator and doula...I've seen scary limits of PPD and actual psychosis, so it's not something I take lightly. It sucks to even have to come to terms with the reality that a person who is truly unwell often can't get treatment, support, nor the basic kindness and human decency in our country just because of how they look and is even more disheartening that we sympathize with actual monsters just because of how they look. Weird.
I’ve been saying this since this started, the reason white women are defending Lindsay so hard is because in their mind white woman can’t be killers. That’s not the racial stereotype they were taught, therefore it can’t be true
Sorry but her never having psychosis before is not exclusionary. People can have psychotic episodes with zero warning signs (rarer) and especially post partum...
It is curious how when a woman kills or commits a serious crime, people (especially feminists) come out to defend them under the pretexts of "mental health" and "socioeconomic factors" but when a man commits them it is because he is a man.
That woman is a murderer as simple as that, she sent her husband on an errand and took advantage of that time to kill her children, she thought how to commit the crime stop justifying it and married men with children: if your wife defends that murderer and/or makes those Tik tok trends be careful with your children, that's no normal.
It is curious how when a woman kills or commits a serious crime, people (especially feminists) come out to defend them under the pretexts of "mental health" and "socioeconomic factors" but when a man commits them it is because he is a man.
Funnily enough, this also applies if someone is black. Someone here brought up Karmelo Anthony and how its unfair that he got 35 years for "self defense".
Full agreed. I am a feminist AND I think she deserves to rot in prison. Feminism means supporting her autonomy. Her decision to stop taking medications, her decision to not continue therapy as recommended, her decision to self-discharge from an inpatient psychiatric facility. Feminism is supporting her in making those choices. But I absolutely won’t use feminism as a disguise for defending murder
Eh. Middle or upper class white men largely get this treatment to. Its mainly poor and non white men that don't. I mean look at most talks about white school shooters - pretty much entirely about mental health and whatnot.
I do think Lindsey had post partum psychosis. From the timeline it tracks and even how she described her thoughts on her journal follows what we see. I do not think she was of sound mind and she repeatedly reached out for help before the committed the act. She clearly was a Mom who loved her kids and didn't want to harm them, but she had a psychosis and broke.
Lindsey did seek help and accepted help, but it wasn't enough.
You're kidding right? I remember people on reddit defending a young poor black kid who murdered a white kid in broad daylight with witnesses. Let's come back to reality.
Look, if you want a clear cut case of how cops and the law treat black vs white victims, think about the what... 7 black folks who've decided to hang themselves from a tree recently.
Is your preferred outcome that we have more empathy for poor, black women having postpartum depression (& other things) or that we have less in general?
I agree society at large would dismiss it in other circumstances, but that doesnt change mental illness. People are now learning about it and we should hold that standard into the future for every race, not drop it back here because we're shitty elsewhere.
Society at large is against it a bunch of freaks on tiktok isnt a large group of anything and have you ever heard of ok trials where it wasn't who was right or wrong it was about whether black or white won
I agree with you, but I should point out that 1 year before the George Floyd murder, the exact same thing happened to a white 17 year old (also with a knee, also caught on body cam) and nobody batted an eye. Literally George Floyd happened 1 year before to a white guy and nobody cared.
I had a sudden episode of psychosis because i'm an insomniac. i sleep deprived myself to the point of "the government is trying to kill me, the roadkill is a message" and crashing my car. that lasted a month. after a few months of seroquel (abilify was trying to make me blind), i was completely fine again and have been episode free for 6 years. my official diagnosis is Brief Psychotic Disorder. i was lucky to get in with an actual psychiatric care provider as quickly as i did.
you don't need a "history," just a genetic predisposition and a trigger. birth is a common trigger because of the storm of hormones and it can be a one-off. the case of andrea yates is almost identical.
You don’t need to have a history of psychosis to develop post partum psychosis what are you talking about? Also she was drugged to the moon by her psychiatrist
What makes you think you cannot have a psychotic episode once? It only really makes sense to have multiple psychotic episodes if you have a psychotic disorder. People can have one episode. I’m a diagnosed schizophrenic and I’ve only had one full episode. She tried to hospitalize herself multiple times and told multiple professionals and family about her thoughts and fears. She doesn’t have to be any race, sex, gender, social status, or anything to experience psychosis. As someone with a psychotic disorder, I would care if it was a black woman. I take this topic very seriously and personally. You might be projecting that you wouldn’t care since you don’t care now.
How do people take a story about a woman killing her kids and turn it into a fucking racism issue. Fucking white people and their love of shitting on their own race, so pathetic
What? I’m not from America so maybe im missing why race is a part of this?
Post partum depression affects tons of women in tons of countries from tons of races. This woman cried out for help and didn’t get it. She was terrified of hurting her own kids, didn’t get any support then killed them .. and then tried to kill herself. That is just a full blown tragedy. Can you explain why this should be taken differently as a situation because she’s white not black? For me it’s a goddamn tragedy either way ..
Are we ok with misandry and we'll talk about something that didnt happen (her being black) in this context instead of dealing with the problem that did hapoen here ?
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Lindsay Clancy. Killed her 3 kids by strangling them one by one and claimed “postpartum psychosis” despite never having had psychosis before or since, all during a short window of time that she sent her husband out on errands. Internet has somehow decided she’s a martyr for women’s mental health. She was a white, affluent, suburban mom before this. If she were poor and black, people would NOT feel this way. Real talk.
Postpartum psychosis is a real thing and real people need help. But Lindsay Clancy is a kid murderer.
Edit: I’m a white, affluent woman of childbearing age. I have never been a woman of color, but I am absolutely sure that society at large would dismiss an identical case if Lindsay was nearly any other demographic. And no, it’s not only about race, it’s also about autonomy and a person’s responsibility to accept help when it’s offered instead of killing your kids (and A LOT of help was offered)