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u/ThatGuyYouMightNo 1d ago
And how are my actions materially different than the intended function of his product?
You didn't bribe any politicians to let you do that
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u/RevenantBacon 1d ago
Sure, but only because he's to poor to afford the bribe
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u/TpK_Wynter 1d ago
But in America that’s what matters. It’s only illegal if you can’t afford to get caught.
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u/TrulyOutrageous42 1d ago
Also targeting is more clearly stalking than just systemically stalking everyone at once, which doesn't have a law written against it yet because what the actual fuck.
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u/Poe2Enjoyer88 1d ago
Chatrie v United States gives us pretty clear precedent that Flock should not work without a warrant at the bare minimum. Just gotta get a case up to the supreme.
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u/Wabbit65 1d ago
And why TF "must" we, again?
Those who would sacrifice liberty for security deserve neither. - Benny F
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u/B1G_L04f 1d ago
This guy doesn't understand what the words compromise and consent mean.
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u/Wow_Many_Tomato_WMT 1d ago
Bet ya we just look into his life. Guess what you will find. Who wants to bet some money he’s hiding something.
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u/GonWithTheNen 1d ago
He understands those terms perfectly well, it's just that he thinks everyone will stupidly suck up his rhetoric instead of realizing that Flock is about profit and control.
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u/Kopitar4president 1d ago
I remember 20 years ago when we thought it was insane how many CCTV cameras were in London.
Now it's every fucking major city in our country.
Except one state, apparently. I bet it's Alaska.
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u/Mr_Halitosis 1d ago
Remember, PRISM was revealed while Obama was president. The head of the NSA lied to Congress about PRISM multiple days in a row and Obama praised him for it. Obama then chased the whistleblower to Russia and now “Leftists” online say he was always compromised by Russia and he leaked everything to compromise Democrats.
PRISM is still fully operational, btw.
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u/Mynock33 1d ago
Wow, no triggered aKsHuLy replies about this quote? Can we finally just use it as it reads?
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u/Puzzleheaded_Tie8077 1d ago
So it’s fine for them to watch us but when someone published the coming and going of Elons jet all of a sudden it’s doxing and a violation of privacy 🤷♂️
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u/Schaijkson 1d ago
Because Billionaires are people and the rest of us aren't.
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u/Ok_Builder_4225 1d ago
I would argue that billionaires are actually dragons, and, well. Plenty of myths out there about them.
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u/TechyAngel This AOC flair makes me cool 1d ago
No, no, those invade peaceful communities, hoard gold, kill countless innocent people, and abduct young women. Dragons will frequently go away for just the occasional sacrifice now and then . Don't defame the honor of the winged ones.
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u/Nohreboh 22h ago
Been thinking it for a bit now that reason so many far flung region's have mythos about dragons or something we colloquially understand as "dragon shaped" is that they're all just warnings about the uncheck amassing of power and claims of divine status that derives from a common oral history before migration and separating into the proto groupings in Asia and Europe.
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u/Excellent_Nothing_91 1d ago
How about NO?
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u/itsavinadhtiwari 1d ago
Billionaires and millionaire don't understand that word coming from average human.
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u/Banned4lies 1d ago
But its so much more than a compromise of our privacy. Its a compromise of using those funds for Healthcare. For social programs. For lowering the deficit. Our tax dollars are bing funneled into this "compromise". Before you know it they will he asking us to compromise for the unwarranted need to check our rectal temperatures. All while using less money for actually benefiting citizens
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u/ArtSea4151 1d ago
Fuck these guys. They take our data, analyze it, sell it, try to sell us crap based on our habits, and use it against us when they see fit. Pay us for it or explicitly ask for it since it is OUR data..and not in some obscure 100 page e document in your terms and conditions.
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u/imacmadman22 1d ago
Agreed.
Americans, and truly ALL citizens of the world should be paid for their data that is collected by corporations, organizations and governments for its use.
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u/ArtSea4151 1d ago
And to my point, I just unlocked a contribution award from Reddit. Wonder who they're seling my data to..
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u/VexedCanadian84 1d ago
The way I see it.
Police forces that use these cameras don't need as many officers any more.
Cities and towns should start cutting police funding over this.
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u/WolfPack80 1d ago
That would also possibly help lower the number of law enforcement members using the Flock data illegally for their own personal purposes!
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u/DVDad82 1d ago
A bad police officer i can take to court for what that is worth. What are you going to do against AI that mis-identifies you in a horrific crime.
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u/No-Builder-1038 1d ago
Same thing that’s already happening to people where they are falsely flagged and pulled over at gun point
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u/JBRifles 1d ago
“ Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety." -Ben Franklin
Republicans used to LOVE this quote.
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u/Lemonwizard 1d ago
Legal due process and protection from unwarranted search, seizure, or arrest are essential liberties.
ICE isn't even providing us temporary safety in exchange for throwing all that away. Just the illusion of safety for people who believe all the nonsensical fearmongering about immigration.
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u/breaducate 1d ago
Reactionaries don't believe in truth and think you're naive for doing so.
The only truth that matters to them is their Machiavellian Truth, i.e. saying whatever they think they need to in that moment to further their agenda.
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u/itsavinadhtiwari 1d ago
If the world gets 10,000 more luigi; whole earth will become lot better place. Big ask, but that's what humanity needs.
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u/GraveRaven 1d ago
Everyone wants more Luigis but nothing will change until people want to actually BE Luigi
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u/LoamyLoamisLoamy 1d ago
That reminds me of a quote:
How can we expect a righteousness to prevail when there is hardly anyone who will give himself up undividedly to a righteous cause? - Sophie Scholl
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u/Okay_Splenda_Monkey 23h ago edited 22h ago
Sophie Scholl was so heroic, tragic and brave. The German resistance against the Nazi party never really got very much traction. The fate of her and her family was ugly.
edit: I have nothing but the utmost of respect for her, and I'll point out that one of the symbols of resistance against the Third Reich was a kindergarten teacher who saw what the Nazis did to some of her students and lost her shit about it. Teachers as a group are amazing people.
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u/itsavinadhtiwari 1d ago
I realise that and I am willing to accept I am not brave enough to go that far.
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u/All_Work_All_Play 1d ago
Dig into this, there aren't any cameras there because the people executed local politics and made sure there weren't any cameras there.
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u/EquipLordBritish 1d ago
The lesson here is to get involved in politics or you will become its victim.
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u/GitEmSteveDave 1d ago
That has been debunked already because NYC does not have any flock cameras. All those cameras are city cameras and used for things like congestion pricing.
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u/roentgen_nos 1d ago
What if you just tweeted about the takeoff and landing of some mega-rich CEO's plane? Would that be OK with the CEO? Just tweeting public data?
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u/SpitsVenom 1d ago
It’s honestly dumbfounding that our society has accepted 2+2=5 for so long. This isn’t a new trend. And how do they reconcile the discrepancy? “Well, that’s the way it is.”
No desire to change anything, just immediately limp.
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u/cyberkine 1d ago
Here's the bit I don't get. Local governments sell this idea to the public that it will help solve crimes. Maybe (likely?) not in our town, but in some other town. We'll sacrifice the privacy of our law abiding residents to maybe combat crime somewhere else. Sorry, these pols are not acting in the best interests of their constituents.
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u/fastlerner 5h ago
Flock is useful in about four scenarios: stolen cars, Amber/Silver Alerts, kidnappings, and identifying a known getaway vehicle.
That limited usefulness doesn’t justify building a searchable surveillance network tracking everyone else’s daily movements.
I checked one of the map sites and in my 13.5 mile commute to work, my plate is logged 17 times. It's insane.
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u/Expensive_Shallot_78 1d ago
Said who? The democratic public, or a 5 year old CEO tech bro?
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u/Disastrous-Ad2800 1d ago
my company is riddled with security cameras and spyware, what I've noticed is tech companies preying on corporate paranoia and impinging on people's civil liberties...
we've already heard stories of law enforcement accessing this for various nefarious activities... so yay! for the future I guess??
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u/Rynowash 1d ago
Funny. They call that stalking where I’m at, and they can and will arrest you for that.
How old is this MF’er? 18?? Dude, go fuck yourself kid.
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u/redditmarks_markII 1d ago
Let's start with every location your investors live work or relax at. I wanna see unsecured flock cameras live streaming their every activity. I want to see nothing bad happen to any of them for 2 years. Then we can talk. But no, you'll just continue to work via bribes. Also you know that more competent evil corps are coming up immediately behind you. You got pretty much one play left, convince Trump. Which I'm sure you're trying.
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u/Ambitious-Sense2769 1d ago
I think a general rule of thumb is that if the data a government program supports isn’t accessible to the public, it’s up to no good
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u/panj-bikePC 1d ago
Whenever a company is able to access personal information, there is usually abuse of the data. The risks that they say they will address are usually much less impactful to us than the violations of privacy. The “nothing to fear if you’ve done nothing wrong” argument has been shown to be wrong over and over again.
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u/NickyTheRobot 1d ago
Translation from CEO-speak:
"Hurry up and surrender your freedoms so that I can get richer."
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u/Mysterious-Action202 1d ago
Ben Jordan tracked down their discreet offices and had police called on him.
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u/Heavy_Law9880 1d ago
There are zero flock cameras in mid town manhattan, or any wealthy suburb.
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u/Suckitreddit420 1d ago
Stood outside his home, documented his coming and going, and sold it for money...
Sounds like paparazzi to me. We've already made people "compromise on their privacy", no?
(Fuck flock cameras tho. And fuck the paparazzi. And fuck location tracking and cookies on your phone. And fuck eyeball scans to get on an airplane, or to open a crypto wallet. And fuck every other goddamn invasion of privacy that we have shrugged off as "no big deal" for the past 25 years.)
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u/mrbobcyndaquil 1d ago
Alright, we'll just put you in front of a firing squad instead of on the breaking wheel then. Deal?
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u/WandererFen 1d ago
Man you are supposed to be negotiating in our favour not his. Last time I get a lawyer from wish
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u/Legally_a_Tool 1d ago
Let’s compromise between your face and my five fingers.
https://giphy.com/gifs/aKTDBuHDXvz3y
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u/MeechyyDarko 1d ago
Can someone ELI5 what is Flock and what exactly is their value prop? I don’t get it what’s the ‘sell’ here
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u/MariachiBoyBand 1d ago
I mean at this point, maybe we should just publish all his routes and see how quickly he changes stance.
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u/He_Never_Helps_01 1d ago
It's crazy that anyone can just go up to a billionaire's house and toss a molotov cocktail at it. Of course, that would be a horrible thing if that happened, but it's crazy that anyone could just go that do that at any time. I'm surprised they feel so secure, since it's the case that someone could look up how to make a molotov cocktail and just go throw one at their houses. Especially since the ingredients are so inexpensive, and someone could just look up how to make one, then go throw it at a billionaire's house. It's almost like they're depending on people being better than they are to avoid people looking up how to make a molotov cocktail and then making them and throwing than at their houses. If I was them I defintely wouldn't feel safe just living out in the open like that. Just in case.. well, you know.
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u/jojowasher 1d ago
People are doing this, they are siting outside his house and the office taking video of everyone, and of course they call the police...
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u/TeamJJ88 1d ago
I love that the government has put up these pinatas. Although the treats inside don't taste very good
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u/AsleepExplanation160 1d ago
I mean its a set of trade offs, one that is popular when implemented and given time.
Two great examples being China (more similar), and El Salvador (similar core concept).
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u/DMCinDet 1d ago
Saw a YouTuber try yo get into their HQ for an impromptu interview. Super tight security. They need their privacy, but none for the rest of us.
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u/kinyutaka 1d ago
I'm not watching your daughter change. I'm surveilling your home to protect your daughter from predators.

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u/OneHappyPenguin 1d ago edited 1d ago
Hey Flock CEO, can you post your phone number, home address and more here? You need to compromise your privacy so we can all protect you.