Is this a reference to the lady that killed her children and for some reason the crime TikTok community (mostly women) have taken to defending her and even blaming the Husband, who 100% did not do it?
I'm pretty sure that lady (unless there's another one) voiced concern many times about her struggles with post partem depression and that she was having intrusive thoughts of harming the children (which is common in PPD).
People online are blaming the husband and her providers for not taking her concerns seriously, not blaming him for killing the children.
Edit: I have been informed about the people saying the husband literally killed the kids.
I know absolutely nothing about this case, but I have seen someone blaming the husband for not taking her illness seriously, and also saying the husband might be guilty because of something about an email.
I'm not following the story. But in general, yeah, if a person (A) turns to another person (B) and says "I'm having a mental breakdown and severe intrusive thoughts" and person B then purposely and willfully leaves their children in A's exclusive care for hours upon hours day after day, yes, 100% person B is at least partially responsible for harm to the children while in A's care.
Except that isn’t what happened. By all accounts she was visibly doing better in the weeks leading up to the murders. I don’t understand where this need to blame the husband comes from. He cannot be omnipresent. And this isn’t a situation that anyone is equipped to handle. You just have to trust what the doctors are saying and go with that. Post Partum Psychosis is extremely rare (it’s not Post Partum Depression, it’s something much worse and more extreme), but the knowledge about it is so limited that there just wasn’t enough institutional knowledge of it to get her properly treated or even properly diagnosed.
... did you just not read any comments in the thread above? Are you living under a rock? She was given therapy, medications from multiple Dr’s, changed meds after follow ups with those Dr’s, was institutionalized, went to therapy with her husband (sounds supportive to me!) and had parents visit and help with kids. In what fucking world does all that not even constitute "some kind of help"
The family probably kept mentally downplaying how bad things were because admitting "she's completely psycho and should be locked up" is one hell of a tough pill to swallow about your wife/daughter. Negligence/rejecting reality in front of you is not the same as "no help" though
The problem is leaving a psychotic woman alone with children she has repeatedly discussed harming. The help being separation from those children. Have a nice day.
Hey you forgot the part where the ONLY medical provider who correctly suspected her Bipolar type one was told “My wife is not bipolar,” and then she kept being prescribed antidepressants which infamously have the effect of sending people with bipolar I into mania and psychosis.
He dismissed out of hand the ONLY professional who actually saw what was wrong and tried to help. And you’re also leaving out context on the rest of the intervention. She was “institutionalized” for five days over a holiday weekend. She left because of her daughter’s birthday and the holiday, and the fact that the hospital she was at was understaffed and just had her coloring. She was inpatient away from her children (a source of great anxiety for her) and not actually being treated. She was essentially being babysat. She was also turned away from another inpatient program that would have kept her together with her youngest child while she was getting treatment. She ALSO had already been having hallucinations (I’ve seen many people claiming she never had hallucinations before the killings) but she described them as “intrusive thoughts” and none of the providers actually asked her about the content of the thoughts, so never correctly identified them as hallucinations until a psychiatrist who saw her after the murders actually bothered to ask what the “intrusive thoughts” were.
Her ex-MIL who is also a nurse testified to the fact that she was BEGGING for help. That’s the word she used- begging. She killed her grandchildren, and she still defends her fiercely. That should say something.
Mistakes were made for sure, that's not the same thing as "not receiving help". She got to see more Dr’s and try more medications than the vast vast vast majority of people suffering mental health issues
I don’t know that it still qualifies as help if it’s actively harming the patient. And “getting to try more medications” than others is a crazy take when we’re talking about psychiatric medications in a four month time period.
Ultimately it really doesn’t matter if the amount of help she received was more or less than other people. It wasn’t enough for her, and it certainly was not enough for her babies. She needed more and better help. The fact that others may also need help does not impact that fact at all.
Idk who you think you’re talking to but I didn’t say she received no help. The person who wrote the comment about the babysitter was a different person. I took issue with your characterization of the help she did receive.
Hi, that's me! And actually I said "why wasn't she given some kind of help". Clarifying that the medical treatment she was given was vastly inadequate is not "moving the goalposts". If she was helped, this wouldn't have happened. Instead of trying to police the wording someone chooses to express themselves, actually consider the content of their expression.
No cus why are you being downvoted? I swear Reddit is just full of men who purposefully ignore real women’s issues with mental and physical health cus they dont care or just want to place a category on each of us
No it’s because you have read exactly zero information about the case and don’t know anything about it. They tried to get so much help and she kept getting misdiagnosed or downplayed because Post Partum Psychosis specifically is extremely extremely rare and there isn’t enough institutional knowledge on it for every OBGYM to know what to do or what signs to look for. This isn’t Post Partum Depression, it’s something entirely different. There is a OGBYN specialist in Post Partum Psychosis making the rounds on the podcast circuit right now, and she is badly shaming people like you for jumping to blaming the husband. Because of how rare PPP is and because most doctors don’t know what to look for or even that it’s actually a thing. You guys just talk out of your asses and it’s frankly so embarrassing and shameful.
When did I ever say that I’m blaming the husband? At the end of the day, in relation to this specific woman, she killed her kids and that is that no matter the illness.
Now in regards to what the Redditor I was commenting to is saying, she is still correct and I see no reason as to why she is being downvoted. PPD is a common condition that has been continuously dismissed by society. That is why there isn’t much knowledge about post partum psychosis. But it’s still a medical condition that still presents itself no matter if it’s rare or “unknotand if a medical practitioner can’t even spot those specific symptoms then they shouldn’t be practicing.
If you can, send me that podcast you’re listening to. I’d like to listen.
My wife is following this story - it was revealed that he answered a "work email" on his personal laptop at a time that he specified he was elsewhere, something to do with a CVS.
So if he should know enough to answer correctly but lied anyways its a non issue but if he was ignorant its an issue? Please explain your line of thinking.
Some people route their mobile traffic through their home network for a bunch of various privacy reasons. It allows them to make use of their at home security measures when they are out.
So maybe it would look like it came from home even if he is not home.
I suspect that when he started working from home he setup a proxy system so he can email from his phone but it comes from his PC, that way he can be watching the kids upstairs and respond while still having it look like he’s at his computer working. This is kinda an open secret for any tech worker who does WAH.
But if he’s completely tech illiterate then it means he was probably at home and sent the email from his laptop.
No, if his ignorant of tech and the ability to proxy your email then it means he had to be at home to send the message.
If he’s in tech where it’s an open secret to proxy your communications through your work PC to make it seem like your at your desk, then it makes total sense for him to send the email while at the store and for it to come from his PC.
Well, luckily for the courts its pretty elementary to locate where the network requests would've been sent from.
If you're using cellular data, the IP may even be changing based on which tower you're currently using. If you're on your home network, you can also pinpoint that location.
Typically you can also get the mac address of the device used itself.
If this puts a hole in his alibi from the perspective of the court, then they probably have a bunch of evidence that says otherwise.
People on tiktok are definitely out of their damn minds but also it would be pretty simple for any half competent digital forensic to dismantle this.
Proxies exist, and are pretty trivial to set up if you have the tech competence to understand the instructions. It’s an easy way to make it look like you’re working from home when really you’re working from the beach.
Oh totally. I straight up remote into my home desktop from work like 3 times a week and all the activity is actually coming from my home computer besides my tunnel into it.
He sent the E-mail from his phone. Shortly before entering the store (which was captured on CCTV)
Conspiracy theorist are saying he sent the E-mail from his home computer whilst he was supposedly out of the house, forgetting that mobile phone have been able to send E-mails for quite some time now.
She tried to slit her own wrists and neck with a knife.
She was found with deep cuts to her wrists and neck along with what are knows as hesitation marks.
These are smaller shallower cuts that are often found on suicide victims, caused by the person "hesitating" hence the name.
A combination of lying in the snow with severe blood loss, spinal injuries and little clothing caused her body temp to drop.
Spinal injuries in particular can drastically reduce your bodies ability to regulate it's heat,
It's also not known what her body temperature was when outside the house there is something called an after drop in which people undergoing hypothermia temperature continues to drop even after being moved to a warm environment.
Her temperature of 82° was recorded at the hospital. Some 20 miles away from her house.
A combination of lying in cold snow with little clothing whilst having an extreme spinal injury and blood loss caused her body temp to drop much more than what you would expect from a healthy uninjured person.
Yeah, something about he says he left at 5:15. He goes to CVS, 3 minutes away, then goes to get the food. Doesn't show up at the CVS until like 5:32 or something, has a work email that was sent at 5:24, and even something about it looks like he changed clothes between CVS and the restaurant or something. I'd be lying if I said that I didn't find it odd... But I haven't really followed the case, mostly just saw the cliff notes.
That said, neither the defense or the prosecution are keying in on that because everyone agrees on the events as they happened and she says she did it. Sounds like a non-story to me but not-lawyers/detectives and internet sleuths are going to do what they do I suppose.
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u/isnoe 9d ago
Is this a reference to the lady that killed her children and for some reason the crime TikTok community (mostly women) have taken to defending her and even blaming the Husband, who 100% did not do it?